One thing I forgot to mention in the video is that these speakers don't disappear. You can localize the tweeter especially when something sharp plays. If enough people ask for the RF7 III, I will reach out to Klipsch, it would help if you can send them an email too. Don't forget to like and subscribe.
Please review the RF7 III. The 8000F and the RF7's were on my shortlist. In the end I went with their heritage line and got some Cornwalls. Definitely not a bright sounding speaker, but with amazing dynamics.
Thomas, You really, really helped me pick the right speakers for my setup. I watch a lot of audio review channels, and you are one of the best! It's obvious when you're excited about a speaker, and you are so good at articulately describing your experience so that I feel that I have just demoed them myself. I ended up buying the RP8000F towers, the 504c center, RP500 SA atmos speakers, a couple of Polk 265 RT in walls and an SVS PB-3000 subwoofer for a 5.1.2. I'm using the Denon X3700H and an Emotiva amp to help drive these bad boys. Eventually I will pump this thing up to a 7.1.4, but my only hurdle is that one of the surrounds will be in a wall with a gas fireplace below it. The sheetrock gets darn right hot, and I'm concerned that the heat will ruin the speakers. What do you think about putting an in wall speaker in a wall that has a gas fireplace in it?
I have my 8000 RF connected to Audio quest 14 gauge pure copper wire no bananas and Sydney's Rca connectors on a Bie wired fashion Awesome sound clarity and datails
I respect you as a reviewer because you are not snobbish towards Polk Audio LSiM. Many audiophiles dismiss them regardless of price. But these speakers go toe to toe with many others. As an all rounder, and at the current price, it's impossible to beat. You get a lot of speaker for very little $$. And that is a value that you may not beat in a lifetime. Sure you can spend a lot more and get a better speaker but value wise,. this beats everything out there. I paid $1050 for my pair from Adorama, shipped. I will never part with my pair even though i have other more 'higher' end speakers and brands audiophiles would much rather pay attention too. I am keeping these till the drivers rot.
Thanks for the video review of one of my favorite brands Thomas. It would be cool to hear some Klipsch on some $10K front end for sure! I have never warmed to the Spun Copper Cerametallic™ Woofers since their inception, for my ears it killied the dynamic mid bass. What would be cool to see you review is the KLIPSCHORN AK6...? The other side of Klipsch is their pro line cinema speaker that are very cool.
Thanks again Thomas. I I’ll be replacing some old JBL’s that have EV horns in them. With the Klipsh 8000 F’s was just waiting to see what your take on them was. As always you seem to have come up with the best and most definitive last words on the subject! I hope I have a good enough front end to do them justice in my McIntosh
Well if you have some old JBL horns, I don't think a 8000F will be an upgrade for you. For me, an upgrade is 2 levels up at least. These are still consider budget line.
Hi Thomas! Greetings from New Zealand! Just ordered a pair of RP-8000f's a hour ago, after watching your video. Been considering it for a while, but your wife reaction, convinced me its the way to go! :) Crossing fingers they work well with my 12-watt tube amp!
Haha..but don't you guys pay crazy shipping charges at NZ? I was driving the klipsch with a 200w class D amp so I really hope the 12w tube amp can do it! Remember to give it a lot of time to break in.
I’d love to hear about your impressions of Danny Richie’s GR-Research mods for the Klipsch RP-600M speakers if you ever get a chance to hear them. Keep up the fine work!
I've listen to Danny Richie on GR research on the RP 8000f's and I'm confused here's why. Danny stated the Rp 8000f has a big hole in the middle, tweeter and woofers don't crossover correctly. But Audioholics Gene D. had his team do the measurements and stated they were awesome. So I'm not sure who to believe, but going on my Sales experience 26yrs. Danny does sell kits, he does state some truth about price pts speaker companies want to hit a exact price pt on each speaker. So cutting costs is the way to get there.
I passed up on the 600m again in favor of the crazy sale price on the JBL studio 530, I actually wrote you another book comment but I deleted it 😆 didn't wanna bother you with all my rambling lmao. Thanks again the audio Sensei !
@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Yup, it was sent to my email so I did see it. Thanks and keep it there next time! Regarding the R2R Dac, everyone is waiting for it and I have mixed feelings about it, how to review it...
@@ThomasAndStereo I won't delete my comments anymore, I feel you on the mixed feelings when reviewing certain audio gear, theirs just so many pros vs cons its crazy , i'm going threw the same situation Thomas , My last video upload of the IOTAVX that i'm still working on. THE MULTI-FI-STACK-ATTACK ! And at end of video, i will be doing a comparison, the STACK against The Pioneer Elite Sx-N30, And its very hard to compare , The Stack is more balanced and refined with better dynamics, which leans towards a neutral sound signature , but the Pioneer has that rich powerful sound like a budget Denon integrated 1k amp has , ehaaa both are priced very simular, but the Pioneer sounds amazing with KEF speakers ! And the IOTAVX sounds amazing with all my other speakers . And i'm not a Pioneer fan at all, but the SX-N30 makes Magic with smaller KEF 🔊 ! Its just about finding that synergy theirs no better or best, you and ZF are so correct when you all say that !!! 😆
Thomas & Stereo I have owned Reference 3 A, B&W and Devore speakers. I am seriously thinking about buying a pair of Klipsch (the price is right!), but they seem to have a lot of cheap parts on them (like the steel binding posts), so Im checking with all my dealers now to see if they know anyone who can upgrade the 600ms with new binding posts (WBT) and crossovers and internal wire. (Dueland)
@@estebannemo1957 Well, they have to to reach a certain price point. There are 2 ways to look at it. For me, I find it amazing that they can deliver such an amazing sound with cheap components. Anyone can build a fancy speaker / system when money is no object. We can always improve on something but there is a reason why a speaker is at a certain price point. Usually, from what I gathered, to run a successful business, the cost of the speaker is about 15% of the selling price else the company will go out of business. Why? If you ever ran a business, you will understand all the hidden cost behind. Now, if you want something of more value, then you will have to look at companies that sell direct to customers perhaps. Here is a link to a comment from a manufacturer that will explain it better. A very good read. www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1348949-philharmonic-audio-dennis-murphy-279.html#post57933376
Hello Thomas, just to share a recent experience. I have Klipsch RP400m . (Previously had 600m and 8000F) I also have Q Acoustics Concept 300. A few days ago, I received my Choco sound Emei. The concepts sounded ok with it. I switched to my Heco Aurora 200 , and immediately my wife whose don't give a f*ck about my tests, says "Those sounds better". ( I was also instantly thinking the same). Later that day, and after listen a little more to the Auroras, ( to make sure it was only that one song) i came to the conclusion, that yes, Auroras sounded better to my ears. ( Not in micro detail, bottom end etc. Just not ashamed by any means in comparison) Then i connect the RP400m.... Since the first note, I was perplexed... "No way"... I think i finally met synergy, because otherwise i cant explain what im hearing. Thing is, all you said in your video, is true. The RP line, is fun in a very special way, and also got a warning from my wife for being carried away with loudness and fun. Ideed its crazy how good the modern affordable speakers sound today.
Hi Thomas. Thank you for that video! I did By-Amp them. Big different then, better and stronger. But i miss really the middles. My setup: Yamaha RX-A 3080 - Denon POA 2800 - Setup 9.1. Subwoofer is a Boston Accoustic SW10. My own made 3-Way-Speaker have more "clearance". BTW, by unboxing --> open top and bottom, so you can push it out of the box. ;o) By from Roly - switzerland.
I also feel that my RB81ii are missing mid's. I purchased a center speaker - rp504c and now I can hear mids finally. Maybe a smaller woofer is better in this regard?
I tried the Klipsch Rp280s without Bi wiring, i didn't like the sound as much as when i did Bi wired them. Separated the instruments, then recently Bi Amped them. Crossovered at 80hrz sent bass to sub, 300watts just feeds the highs n mids. Like it way more now, but also made some dyi wires ofc 12 awg x 3. Amazing sound to me. Enjoy.
Another great time listening to your thoughts and stories Thomas! Props on step-in up the video quality and shots. I really enjoyed the one big shot of the front setup panning down.. good stuff man. I have been going back and forth on this same question all year debating between the RP600M due to all the reviews and from some short listening sessions but in the back of my mind I always wondered if bigger would mean better. I ultimately got lucky enough to hear the 8000F and was blown away but also missed that instrument separation and detail of the RP600M just like you did. So what to do? I purchased the RP 4000F! It seems to be the forgotten child of the lineup because I bought them for an absolute steal brand new, less than the RP600Ms! I am hoping it will l split the difference and give me that just right Goldilocks experience. I have to admit I am worried that the small drivers may hold it back but the small cabinet for a floor stander really intrigued me and it goes deeper than the RP600M, with maybe even more control due to the small drivers? Thats the hope anyway still need to set up this week hopefully I'll let you know! Keep up the great work it doesn't go unnoticed. Glad you are sticking with it!
I have both, the 8000's are awesome! VERY picky on placement and amplification, and correct they scale really well. I improved Base definition by leaning foam wall treatment at a 45deg angle against the speakers rear port.
Thanks Thomas, for another great review! Really enjoy hearing your stories. You probably should try getting more sleep rather than staying up late listening to all of your gear though 😴
My gf loves the Pink/Nate duet. I have heard it 4 times in the last month. I have it going through 2 canton le290/2 klipsch rp160m/svspb12/klipsch sw112 and a onkyo nr709/sr603 zone2. The vocals are top notch.
I listen to rock. I had sounds systems that cost me from 10k to 50k. Until one day I sold everything and got some kliptch and marantz amp. The sound was much better and the cost much lower than all my ex expensive systems.
@@daftpaolo9789 I sold all the rest for a crazy price. Lol. I guess metal and rock does not go well with high costly speakers and amp. Was no dynamic and bass.
Value-for-money today is off the charts. It's FAR better today than ever. Even within the last 5 years, everything has gotten much better for the money. Tracking this over the last 45 years, it wasn't always like this - at all. This can be said about a lot of things today.
Ahhh I am so excited you got these speakers ☺️ thanks for a solid review man. Always top quality. I have a Yamaha receiver and was blown away at how well Klipsch and Yamaha pair. I'd be very curious what you think of the heritage line
@@ThomasAndStereo I hope they send you them man. I'm a part of a Klipsch group on Facebook and from what I hear the rf7s and the Cornwalls are two incredible sounding speakers
As much as I like the sonic profile the of the RP600, there seems to be a lacking of punch in the low hundreds hz region. This makes the smaller drums sounds a bit more recessed when compared to the 8000.
In your breakdown on their differences, I found that every single point you made are valid for the Harbeth P3esr and HL5 too! Yeah, I remember breaking the "too darn loud" rule, but way more than just 3 times 😅. Which budget speaker (under USD 1K) do you think is most scalable? Thank you for your videos, and they are just too short! 😉🙏👍🏻
Hey, yeah I have been trying to shorten my video to 10 to 15 mins. My usual take is 25 min then I edit stuff out. Most scalable for the price is Debut 6.2. Now most scalable for under $1200 now are thr Polk Lsim but that is kind of cheating.
I’ve had both and kept the 280Fs because they aren’t quite as bright imo. Running them off of a marantz 6013 Avr and Emotiva xpa3 for front stage. 504c center. And I don’t like the copper trim rings they incorporated in the newer model.
@@TheDoozie43 I'm choosing between 280 and 8000. Thanks for Your opinion. But that man 👆had been asking for difference between 820 and 8000 (Reference line vs Reverence Premiere).
Hey great review. I was thinking to have the R8000F with RP600M as surrounds as bookshelf speakers can be used as surround. Do you think its a good setup or would you recommend some other surround speakers, if so which one? Also, would you say if I get a good receiver it should give decent bass (with the built in woofers in R8000F) or subwoofer is necessary?
After doing some research I found out that the dual driver Klipsch is 80 degrees out of phase and it’s very present depending on what seating height you have. They really need a crossover mod to be corrected. A DAC can help but the woofers need to be wired separately if that’s what you plan to do. Do some research and you will find that not only am I correct but they really come to life after being modded.
Ah the Gr research vs audioholics debate. You know I have received email from people who have modded their speaker based on Gr research, some loved it and then there are some who hated it. You are assuming it sound better because the graph looks better but if you look at the blind sound test demo from new record day on the rp600m with the Gr research mod, half prefer the original one before the mod.
Two other reviewers specifically mentioned the RP-8000F having a more or less flat response, with the highs being smooth and extensive but not harsh or overpowering.
Hey Thomas, very nice video, I really enjoy listening to you! I plan to buy the RP8000 along with the WXA50 should I buy a DAC aswell and if so, which one would you recommend?
I would spend a bit extra on the speakers and go the next category up from budget speakers, that way you are future proofing when you upgrade the components. I would find a speaker that you like and build the system around the speakers.
I suggest more similar 'budget' floorstander reviews such as the new Wharfedale Evo 4.4. I've gone down the route you suggest using a super integrated amp and fairly expensive front end. I doubt the advantage of many hi-end speakers unless they Incorporate large 12" or 15" drivers.
Hi Thomas, I'm new to the hifi scene and I'm building my first 5.1 setup. I'm currently looking at the 8000f as my main speakers and I have one quick question, does it pair well with the Denon X1600H?
Hey Thomas, how would these compare both RP models, to the LS50W? Thinking of grabbing something for an NYC apartment. Currently don't own any front end so that's something i'm considering
Not sure your budget or preference style but I like my Klipsch 280f paired with the Yamaha aventage 880 which is laid back. Be prepared for long break in period and hard time getting room correction and placement exactly how you like it unless you're more skilled with it than I was. Last week JBL had the studio 570 for $200 each. I thought that was a good buy so my brother bought a pair. I have the 580 and they're pretty good, too. Elac ub5 is neutral, kinda boring in my opinion but easy to listen to for long periods of time. You might find something you like better. I recommend cheap audio man if you're budget is tight.
Great video and useful info too. How would you rate the Klipsch Reference Series R-620F? I find that there is low volume of bass with these and i needed to add a sub. Should these put out more than im experiencing or they more aimed at the sound of the mids and highs? Thanks
Hello Thomas, I'm thinking to go for a Klipsch setup in my living room. Probably going for the RP-6000f @ the front and some RP-500SA in the back. I love music as well movies. I have 3 questions: 1. Should I buy an av receiver like a Marantz NR1710 or just stick to a amp like your Yamaha. I like when the audio sounds full and compleet on lower volume. 2. How do the klipsch Rp 600m bookshelf speakers on stands compare to the RP-6000f like in your video?? 3. What do you mean with a good frond end amp and what is the use for an extra external amp. I'm new in the audio scene 🙈 right now I'm just using basic old stuf like a Kenwood ka-5020 amp and some JBL LX1000. It's your video's that inspire me to invest in some new setup. Thx Thomas!!
The thing is if you are going for 5.1, you will need a receiver. I don't know anything about Marantz. I would think the same logic would apply with the RP6000F but less mid bass, I would assume it would be someone coherent the drivers but can't tell unless I hear them. External amp is great but not necessary, it is only when you play with higher end setup that the benefit really shows. At this level, a good integrated should be fine. I don't know if these RP6000F will be a true upgrade from you JBL LX1000 because those speakers look pretty good. I always say, if you are going to upgrade, jump 2 levels up and not one.
Great job!!! I owned a pair of klipsch rp8000 and I wonder if you had any integrated amp in mind with ht bypass that could match with my speakers. My budget is not over 2000€. I’m sooo confused!!!
Can't beat the price on these. Deciding between these or a pair of SVS floorstanding speakers. Have you listened to any comparable SVS products? Also, looks like you got some Nordost cables on the bookshelf speakers 😂
I had the svs prime before and that has the more traditional sound. Klipsch sound is unique as it is lively and dynamic. Both are great with me liking the Klipsch more but I am driving the Klipsch with way better front end compared to when I had the prime. I would like to try the ultras. I have diy cables actually.
My room is small maybe the r 82f are they good? but I like these 8000f my front is a emotiva bas X A3 with the Denon avc x4 700h and 4 basx A2s for the other 8 channels
This is a great review but I wish you’d say the model number instead of pointing and saying “this”. At some points you’re rolling b-roll so we don’t know what you’re referring to and I often listen to these reviews without closely watching the video to see which you’re pointing at.
Hi Thomas, thank you for the review. I know you had experienced the Qacoustics 3050i. I'm currently using 3050i, When i connected it with Marantz 7055 in stereo at some levels they can't hold up (some noise coming) so thought of upgrading to RP 8000F. I just wanted to know whether I'm doing the right thing and is it a good upgrade ?
You mean at certain volume the 3050i breaks up? The Rp8000F has a completely different sound and if you are playing at ultra high volume, it might be a bit too bright. If you like the 3050i 'softer' sound, perhaps the Polk 707 is more of a closer speaker. Perhaps look for speakers that uses softdome tweeter? It is not an absolute guideline but you might want to start with that first.
Thomas & Stereo hi thomas thanks for the quick response ❤️ Actually at higher volume the driver makes some abnormal sound like we are over powering, also i checked the spec its 100watts but marantz 7055 can drive 140w at 2 channels driven, so I thought it should be because of over powering, i know the klipsch is little harsh, i went with tat option because of the price range, also polk 707 i think is the LSiM series its not available in my country. But i can get wharfdale evo 4.4 if u have any other suggestions pls help, tat will be appreciated .
Wonderful review, I am planning to get 8000F pair, what is an ideal centre speaker for this? Can I use my Paradigm 7.1 CT cinema with these speakers, for surround and ceiling Atmos? What is ideal 11 channel AVR for this?
I want to buy them for listening to music on a 2.0 setup hooked to an anthem integrated 225 amp... for their price, I can't find anything better. Is their any advice to keep me from pulling the trigger on these?
Did you have a chance to run them around the block with the Class D mono blocks? That type of pairing would leave more $ on the table for the Musical Paradise or Denefrips DAC...
oh man...these are beauties inside out for the price range . When you said : My wife looked at me like, what are you doing man? XD Thats when you know you lost track of volume lol
Hi Thomas - I'm about to buy the RP600M, but I am not sure what streamer to pair it with. The main use for the speakers is to stream HD music from Amazon Music. Or should I go with the RW-51M due to its bluetooth connectivity? Could you please help me out?
@@ThomasAndStereo Thomas, I'm not considering the Hives because I like how the bronze color of the woofers on the 600m look. Is there any chance you could recommend the correct streamer to pair the 600m with, one that doesn't cost a fortune please??? Thank you very much in advance!
I have the 5000f driven by a Yamaha r-n803 (plus svs pb 1000); “fun” is an understatement. Although the Tannoy Revolution xt 8f maybe my next speaker purchase...
Hey Thomas love you videos a while back I asked you what speaker gave the most musical information to elac UniFi ub5 or the Klipsch 600 you chose to Klipsch well, to my ears that could have been further from the truth many things were missing when I put the pair of Klipsch compared to the elac ub5 where more natural not to mention they had a much better Sound Stage, compared to the Klipsch these comparisons were made listen to mostly vinyl and a decent sounding compact disc so maybe the 800 would be better sounding to me but the 600 thank God I had a return policy cuz those babies went back🤔✌
It is great you can return it. I should ask for more info in the future. When people tell me they want more detail, I usually assume they are looking for that top sharp end. The Elac is a more balance and refined speaker while the Rp600M is a more fun speaker. Elac has one of the best instrument separation but it is slightly rolled off on the top end. For many people, they consider that 'not detail' while the RP600M with it's titanium tweeter and boosted top end will sound more 'detail'. As I mentioned in my Sopra2 video, detail is just a question of effort. But a big thank you for letting me know so I can be more careful in the future.
@@ThomasAndStereo Hey Thomas you know I don't experience that roll off with vinyl, and I really haven't paid attention to the CDs because I hardly ever play them anymore😧😧
I have an SVS pb-1000 and am questioning how much sense it would make to pair a floor standing speaker like the 8000f with a subwoofer, should I just go with a bookshelf instead, for a small room?
I keep changing it, first had them straight forward but had alot of reflection off the wall now its treated. Then I toed them in to limit reflections. What amp would you recommend for these RP8000f to bring them to warmer side of nuetral. Thxs
I have the the monitor audio silver series. The centre channel is broken somehow. Are these a lot better? Obviously I want to start with the centre speaker. Please advise
Thom. Yes, yes, yes. I demoed the KRP8000's also with another Yamaha integrated amp, sorry forgot which, price wise, I think it was less than but close to 1000, and my reaction was. Smile. I really liked it. I can only imagine with my current Mitsubishi DAA15DC they will (hope) have nice synergy. I beat top dollar too that having the Schiit Freya plus will make for nice sound....least that's my theory. I don't have the Freya (yet) but would love to hear maybe a Part ll on this from you regarding paring them with that or other tube preamps, or something. I am still stuck on what path to follow: streaming, using CD (with external DAC, the RME ADI), phono, listening to internet radio/FM...All I know is that I don't want to be in front of a computer and controlling my volume etc via phone/computer. I like remotes and on occasion don't mind having to get up to control volume etc. I see used mint condition OPPO 105 and 203 for sale. I think it will be Very Flexible and am debating getting it and maybe using my PS4 app for music? I don't know....Can't believe you liked the Yamaha match up w/ the 8000's too. Cheers.
Yeah, for the Yamaha amp, it was very specific to the WXA50. I have other Yamaha too but when it comes to equipement matching, it is very specific. Good luck on finding the right solution for you.
When you say Klipsch are forward are you not using room correction? My 280f sound more laid back with Yamaha YPAO set to natural. A lot of mid-bass and bass. Unless the music has a lot of highs, you generally don't even hear forwardness or highs, they have a very warm sound. I've heard them sound forward when I didn't do a good run with YPAO, which means you need to run it again and get further away from the walls when running it. They did sound forward with my Denon.
@@ThomasAndStereo oh man you got to room correct with these. I got good results after many attempts using Yamaha receiver with ypao and using the mic from my Denon receiver. Took a while to set up properly but my 280f are practically flawless. I'm sure there's better when you listen to $300k but I can't imagine anyone thinking the Klipsch aren't a very good bargain. I think the forwardness or brightness mellows out after a year of regular use. I used to think the tweeters were bright but either my ears have acclimated or the speaker has become tamed. I was in a music listening session about a month ago and thinking the tweeters have become much smoother and clarity is remarkable. I had them for about 8 months and I was thinking the Tweeter still sounded bright but now I've had them for probably about a year and 3 months and I thought they sound a lot more mellow now and high end. I haven't readjusted them at all; makes me wonder if it's more my ears, the speakers are more mellow or if there's just times my speakers perform better for some unknown reason?
@@kohnfutner9637 Yeah, that is the million-dollar question, is it because your ears got used to it. You can try not to listen to it for a week or 2 and listen to them again and see if it is bright.
@@ThomasAndStereo Good to hear from you, Thomas. I named my little brother Thomas 33 years ago. (just saying.) I hadn't done music listening with the 280f in probably a few months. When I went back to listen to music they sounded better than I remembered. Like the edge (forward mid and brightness) was more relaxed, almost soothing. I was surprised by it. Now that brings another question, maybe they sound better than the speakers I usually listen to or maybe I've lost hearing in that time span? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. All I know is I was like yeah these sound really good, man, Seem to keep getting better. I've been listening to music on my bedroom system. My Klipsch are in the family room so it's usually just doing theater work, which is done as good as anything I've ever heard. I find it hard to justify a reason to be unsatisfied. Thank you for reading. 🙏 😊
Will the Music souund great with the klipsch RP- 8000F or if i make klipsch suround Sound system on Yamaha RX-A1070 7.2 AV surround receiver. Please help!!!
Hello Thomas, would you tell me where in Canada that I might ever find these speakers for $1300. I have only ever seen them drop as low as $1500 down from $1900. Gibby’s and Crutchfield are the two places I’ve seen them at $1500.
@@BuzzSX Could be worse, $1500 is the MSRP on the 600M's in Australia! BTW, I think I saw these down to 1398 during Boxing Week at a few places Gibby's, LD)
This compares to what other brand? I dont like bright speakers more of a BW 700 series type sound some say this is pretty harsh others say its loads better than before. Asking because I have no way of hearing them and Im about to change my front stage to something better. To be clear I dont own the 700 series just heard them last year and really liked them.
If you are ok with B&W speakers, then you should be fine with these. I never heard the 700 series though but only the 800 series with the diamond tweeters.
I wonder why are there literally no TANNOY reviews on the Internet? It's like they're shadowbanned or something. I'm deciding between these and Tannoy XT6F but the material on Tannoys is SO DAMN thin. The only clue being a suspicious WhatHiFi article. I want to feel the horn tweeter but I guess each speaker has its strengths and weaknesses. Also, they cost the same here in Croatia and I don't have the privilege to hear them out before trying them.
@@ThomasAndStereo Ok. It just seems like Lyngdorf would be the best choice for almost everyone because of its ability to compensate for a suboptimal room. Still, it is not the best amplifier out there, so if you paired it with something really good you should be in heaven, right? Please take a look at the link I sent you. It's a very interesting read. The Lyngdorf 2170 you can get for 1500 $ used! www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-lyngdorf-roomperfect-eq.6799/
@@rsa008 Thanks for the link. Now I heard the unit and it does sound very good. So good that I would say it comes down to taste between that and my setup at the time. What room correction does is great but what if you prefer the tone of the Audio research LS25 and Mcintosh MC452? I think the 2170 can correct for the overall curve but not separately like the higher model.
@@ThomasAndStereo But couldn't you have the room correction of the lyngdorf and the tone of your preferred amp combined? Maybe not. It's just a thought. I didn't know that the RoomPerfect in the 2170 was inferior of that in the 3400, but I am really not the expert :P
@@rsa008 No, tone control does not change the sound signature of the unit. Also, the 2170 is an integrated amp so you will not need anything else. Finally, room correction can only do so much, for example, if you don't treat your first point of reflection, you will get sound reaching your ears at different speed. That will decrease sound quality and no DSP can fix that.
I guess if you have a room that's totally dedicated for sound testing and have thousands of dollars in equipment its nice. But the average listener doesn't have 10K in gear plus speakers. So how do they do with an average receiver off the best buy shelf in a regular room not all fixed up?
@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks. Ps. Your channel is very intereting and helpfull. You do a good job and it's really impressive that you try to answer to all people who ask you.
Mr Kanta absolutely did bring it up because at the end of the day, although we all play with high end audio, we are not dumb and arenot afraid to ask ourselves the tough questions. Part of the reason we can do that is because we have friends that play with budget gear and high end gear. So we listen to a lot of gear and we are constantly moving between different tiers. We KNOW the difference and because we know the difference, we see the gap closing tighter and tighter. Right now I have a pair of Sopra2 that I are just got. How does it compare to all the budget gear I tried, there is a difference for sure. However, as I sit and listen, I ask myself, how big and what is the difference? I can answer that question with my logical head or I can answer that question with my audiophile head. I will explore that when I make the video on the Sopra 2.
I was going to buy the rp600m’s, but bought the rp8000f’s instead, the floor standers are more expensive, but didn’t have to buy pricey stands, more bottom end capable, even though I don’t need it (have 2 SVS subs), would assume they have better midrange, and they are beautiful. Go big or go home!
Thomas what speakers are you using for your HT? I have an SC99 pioneer elite like what I’ve seen in your older videos I saw a pioneer elite receiver . Do you recommend these rp8000?
Those are Outlaw LCR. I have a regular Pioneer. I did have an Elite but it was a bluray player. I never plugged these to my Pioneer receiver so I don't know how it will sound. My Pioneer receiver is a bit lean sounding so it does not have a lot of 'body' compared to my stereo amps.
Thomas & Stereo ive noticed that! That’s why I have a separate stereo set up in my office/spare bedroom. My wish would be to incorporate both but I’ve yet to have a solution without have a cluttered mess of equipment.
Comparing the 8000f vs the RF7iii vs the Polk lsim 707 would be a crazy good comparison It’ll let you see how the klipsch sound improves within their line and how they compare to the Polk lsim which was in the same price bracket.
@perl man The Polk LSIM 707's are very good. But I think the RF 7 III's are absolutely astonishing!!! I'll be asking Klipsch to send Thomas a pair for review, meanwhile over the past months I've posted a few videos demonstrating the RF 7 III's performance. If you like, please check them out. Cheers. th-cam.com/video/M7_zMnd0p9I/w-d-xo.html
@perl man Agreed. I'd say it all depends on personal preferences and budget😏. But like you, I did a lot of research before settling on the RF 7III's. If you click on the image on the top left it should take you to the channel where I have a few videos of the RF 7III's performing in my space. Enjoy.
Depends on the sound you are going for. If you are talking about AV receiver, I don't know. However, Stereo integrated amps, I did review a few on this channel or check out Zero Fidelity, he has made a lot of videos on it.
Thomas, congratulations on another entertaining review, particularly one that a wide range of people can relate to. I've owned both those since they first came out and concur with your experience with each, however, I usually listen to them in a surround setup, but have spent a lot of time pairing them with several amps in stereo application. What I conclude is that the RP series are fundamentally, sound reinforcement speakers, intended to deliver clean dynamics, i.e. fast transition in dB as one would appreciate in an action movie sound effects. When I have used them strictly in stereo, they lack frequency response in the mid band, particularly when played at moderate levels. When belting out sound, they tend to come into better balance through the frequency band (high to low). When playing live music recordings, they can shine nicely over more expensive gear, but they really come together when used in a full 7 or 5 channel setup. The Klipsch center brings out all the missing vocals from the towers or bookshelf types. Then you get true instrument separation with the singer in the middle as in a real live venue. I also own the previous model RF towers with the newest RF center. Although these components are a good bit better than the RP series, the same thing tends to be true. When paired with their center channel, absolutely glorious. Without, as you say, meh. It is simply that the 6.5" and 8" woofers have a significant dB drop off from about 800hz and up, so those speakers rely on the wave guide tweeter (i.e. horn) to pick up the slack. Problem is that those horns only dip down to about 2Khz, thus leaving a void in part of the vocal range. Some think the RP series is warm, but it only seems that way from lack of lower vocal range. The center channel corrects most of this shortcoming. Still, they are a lot of fun, especially for the budget pricing. Won't be using any of my RP gear to replace stereo listening of my Cornwall 3s any time soon though. Cheers Thomas!
Thanks Taz for the clarification. Man I wish I would have spoken to you before I made the review. If I ask for the RF7III, I wonder if I should also ask for the center...
One thing I forgot to mention in the video is that these speakers don't disappear. You can localize the tweeter especially when something sharp plays. If enough people ask for the RF7 III, I will reach out to Klipsch, it would help if you can send them an email too. Don't forget to like and subscribe.
Please review the RF7 III. The 8000F and the RF7's were on my shortlist. In the end I went with their heritage line and got some Cornwalls. Definitely not a bright sounding speaker, but with amazing dynamics.
Yes, please review. I'm really looking into getting those.
@@Ba09035 Nice, if you can help me send them an email too, it will help. Thanks!
@@crh4878 Thanks Carlton, if you can send them an email too, it will help me.
@@ThomasAndStereo Can I ask you how I go about this? I will do it.
Thomas,
You really, really helped me pick the right speakers for my setup. I watch a lot of audio review channels, and you are one of the best! It's obvious when you're excited about a speaker, and you are so good at articulately describing your experience so that I feel that I have just demoed them myself. I ended up buying the RP8000F towers, the 504c center, RP500 SA atmos speakers, a couple of Polk 265 RT in walls and an SVS PB-3000 subwoofer for a 5.1.2. I'm using the Denon X3700H and an Emotiva amp to help drive these bad boys. Eventually I will pump this thing up to a 7.1.4, but my only hurdle is that one of the surrounds will be in a wall with a gas fireplace below it. The sheetrock gets darn right hot, and I'm concerned that the heat will ruin the speakers. What do you think about putting an in wall speaker in a wall that has a gas fireplace in it?
I have my 8000 RF connected to Audio quest 14 gauge pure copper wire no bananas and Sydney's Rca connectors on a Bie wired fashion Awesome sound clarity and datails
Decided to go for the rp8000f after listening to kefs, bw, ca and all the regulars. By far the best choice.
I respect you as a reviewer because you are not snobbish towards Polk Audio LSiM. Many audiophiles dismiss them regardless of price. But these speakers go toe to toe with many others. As an all rounder, and at the current price, it's impossible to beat. You get a lot of speaker for very little $$. And that is a value that you may not beat in a lifetime. Sure you can spend a lot more and get a better speaker but value wise,. this beats everything out there. I paid $1050 for my pair from Adorama, shipped. I will never part with my pair even though i have other more 'higher' end speakers and brands audiophiles would much rather pay attention too. I am keeping these till the drivers rot.
Thanks, and I can tell you the better frontend gear you give it, the better it will scale.
Loved your review, thank you. I’m using Klipsch / REL for a 7.1.4 home theater and Naim/REL for music.
Your video quality is getting better and better Thomas, good job!
Thanks, I try!
Thanks for the video review of one of my favorite brands Thomas.
It would be cool to hear some Klipsch on some $10K front end for sure!
I have never warmed to the Spun Copper Cerametallic™ Woofers since their inception, for my ears it killied the dynamic mid bass.
What would be cool to see you review is the KLIPSCHORN AK6...?
The other side of Klipsch is their pro line cinema speaker that are very cool.
They drive nicely with an 'warmer' Denon AVR-X6200W .. they take a while to run in.... luv em
Thanks again Thomas. I I’ll be replacing some old JBL’s that have EV horns in them. With the Klipsh 8000 F’s was just waiting to see what your take on them was. As always you seem to have come up with the best and most definitive last words on the subject! I hope I have a good enough front end to do them justice in my McIntosh
Well if you have some old JBL horns, I don't think a 8000F will be an upgrade for you. For me, an upgrade is 2 levels up at least. These are still consider budget line.
Hi Thomas! Greetings from New Zealand! Just ordered a pair of RP-8000f's a hour ago, after watching your video. Been considering it for a while, but your wife reaction, convinced me its the way to go! :) Crossing fingers they work well with my 12-watt tube amp!
Haha..but don't you guys pay crazy shipping charges at NZ? I was driving the klipsch with a 200w class D amp so I really hope the 12w tube amp can do it! Remember to give it a lot of time to break in.
Just got them! 98db they go super loud. Sounded horrible straight out the box, but everything started to gel after a couple of hours. Happy days!
@@scubalbany Nice, give it about 50 to 100 hours. (Well not playing at low volume) The top end will smoothen out and the bass will get tighter.
I’d love to hear about your impressions of Danny Richie’s GR-Research mods for the Klipsch RP-600M speakers if you ever get a chance to hear them. Keep up the fine work!
Yeah, me too! I was drooling when I saw that video!
Can someone out there PLEASE send Thomas a pair of GR-Research-modded RP-600M’s to review? 😊
I've listen to Danny Richie on GR research on the RP 8000f's and I'm confused here's why.
Danny stated the Rp 8000f has a big hole in the middle, tweeter and woofers don't crossover correctly.
But Audioholics Gene D. had his team do the measurements and stated they were awesome. So I'm not sure who to believe, but going on my Sales experience 26yrs. Danny does sell kits, he does state some truth about price pts speaker companies want to hit a exact price pt on each speaker. So cutting costs is the way to get there.
I passed up on the 600m again in favor of the crazy sale price on the
JBL studio 530, I actually wrote you another book comment but I deleted it 😆 didn't wanna bother you with all my rambling lmao. Thanks again the audio Sensei !
Don't delete! I always enjoy reading comments from you. The 530 got many rave reviews and definitely something to consider for the future.
@@ThomasAndStereo did you get to read the comment at all? even after i deleted it, was about 4 paragraphs long lol thank you Thomas
@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 Yup, it was sent to my email so I did see it. Thanks and keep it there next time! Regarding the R2R Dac, everyone is waiting for it and I have mixed feelings about it, how to review it...
@@ThomasAndStereo I won't delete my comments anymore, I feel you on the mixed feelings when reviewing certain audio gear, theirs just so many pros vs cons its crazy , i'm going threw the same situation Thomas , My last video upload of the IOTAVX that i'm still working on.
THE MULTI-FI-STACK-ATTACK ! And at end of video, i will be doing a comparison, the STACK against The Pioneer Elite Sx-N30, And its very hard to compare , The Stack is more balanced and refined with better dynamics, which leans towards a neutral sound signature , but the Pioneer has that rich powerful sound like a budget Denon integrated 1k amp has , ehaaa both are priced very simular, but the Pioneer sounds amazing with KEF speakers ! And the IOTAVX sounds amazing with all my other speakers . And i'm not a Pioneer fan at all, but the SX-N30 makes Magic with smaller KEF 🔊 ! Its just about finding that synergy theirs no better or best, you and ZF are so correct when you all say that !!! 😆
“I see my wife going, Thomas, what the hell you doing?” Awesome
That might be a good Thing
"fun" is a word you hear across the board from reviewers about Klipsch speakers.
Yeah, I never understood that until I have a pair of Klipsch at my place.
Thomas & Stereo I have owned Reference 3 A, B&W and Devore speakers. I am seriously thinking about buying a pair of Klipsch (the price is right!), but they seem to have a lot of cheap parts on them (like the steel binding posts), so Im checking with all my dealers now to see if they know anyone who can upgrade the 600ms with new binding posts (WBT) and crossovers and internal wire. (Dueland)
@@estebannemo1957 Well, they have to to reach a certain price point. There are 2 ways to look at it. For me, I find it amazing that they can deliver such an amazing sound with cheap components. Anyone can build a fancy speaker / system when money is no object. We can always improve on something but there is a reason why a speaker is at a certain price point. Usually, from what I gathered, to run a successful business, the cost of the speaker is about 15% of the selling price else the company will go out of business. Why? If you ever ran a business, you will understand all the hidden cost behind. Now, if you want something of more value, then you will have to look at companies that sell direct to customers perhaps. Here is a link to a comment from a manufacturer that will explain it better. A very good read.
www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1348949-philharmonic-audio-dennis-murphy-279.html#post57933376
@@estebannemo1957 Check out this video series on Ron's channel about upgrading the 600ms: th-cam.com/video/5ifiz6HrFd0/w-d-xo.html
@@Simon-dn9kv Yup, was drooling and would love to hear it.
Hello Thomas, just to share a recent experience. I have Klipsch RP400m . (Previously had 600m and 8000F)
I also have Q Acoustics Concept 300. A few days ago, I received my Choco sound Emei. The concepts sounded ok with it. I switched to my Heco Aurora 200 , and immediately my wife whose don't give a f*ck about my tests, says "Those sounds better". ( I was also instantly thinking the same).
Later that day, and after listen a little more to the Auroras, ( to make sure it was only that one song) i came to the conclusion, that yes, Auroras sounded better to my ears. ( Not in micro detail, bottom end etc. Just not ashamed by any means in comparison)
Then i connect the RP400m.... Since the first note, I was perplexed... "No way"... I think i finally met synergy, because otherwise i cant explain what im hearing. Thing is, all you said in your video, is true. The RP line, is fun in a very special way, and also got a warning from my wife for being carried away with loudness and fun. Ideed its crazy how good the modern affordable speakers sound today.
Nice! Thanks for sharing. Yup, it's incredible what affordable speakers can do with a good amplifier.
So many great speakers under 2k right now, I just want all of them in my house, one for each day of the week lol 🤣
Hi Thomas. Thank you for that video!
I did By-Amp them. Big different then, better and stronger. But i miss really the middles.
My setup: Yamaha RX-A 3080 - Denon POA 2800 - Setup 9.1. Subwoofer is a Boston Accoustic SW10.
My own made 3-Way-Speaker have more "clearance".
BTW, by unboxing --> open top and bottom, so you can push it out of the box. ;o)
By from Roly - switzerland.
I also feel that my RB81ii are missing mid's. I purchased a center speaker - rp504c and now I can hear mids finally. Maybe a smaller woofer is better in this regard?
I tried the Klipsch Rp280s without Bi wiring, i didn't like the sound as much as when i did Bi wired them. Separated the instruments, then recently Bi Amped them. Crossovered at 80hrz sent bass to sub, 300watts just feeds the highs n mids. Like it way more now, but also made some dyi wires ofc 12 awg x 3.
Amazing sound to me. Enjoy.
Another great time listening to your thoughts and stories Thomas! Props on step-in up the video quality and shots. I really enjoyed the one big shot of the front setup panning down.. good stuff man.
I have been going back and forth on this same question all year debating between the RP600M due to all the reviews and from some short listening sessions but in the back of my mind I always wondered if bigger would mean better.
I ultimately got lucky enough to hear the 8000F and was blown away but also missed that instrument separation and detail of the RP600M just like you did. So what to do? I purchased the RP 4000F! It seems to be the forgotten child of the lineup because I bought them for an absolute steal brand new, less than the RP600Ms!
I am hoping it will l split the difference and give me that just right Goldilocks experience. I have to admit I am worried that the small drivers may hold it back but the small cabinet for a floor stander really intrigued me and it goes deeper than the RP600M, with maybe even more control due to the small drivers? Thats the hope anyway still need to set up this week hopefully I'll let you know! Keep up the great work it doesn't go unnoticed. Glad you are sticking with it!
Yes, please let me know and appreciate the well-written comment.
I have both, the 8000's are awesome! VERY picky on placement and amplification, and correct they scale really well. I improved Base definition by leaning foam wall treatment at a 45deg angle against the speakers rear port.
Hola, valen la pena comprar los RP600M?
Thanks Thomas, for another great review! Really enjoy hearing your stories. You probably should try getting more sleep rather than staying up late listening to all of your gear though 😴
Haha...yeah, I need sleep.
My gf loves the Pink/Nate duet. I have heard it 4 times in the last month. I have it going through 2 canton le290/2 klipsch rp160m/svspb12/klipsch sw112 and a onkyo nr709/sr603 zone2. The vocals are top notch.
I listen to rock. I had sounds systems that cost me from 10k to 50k. Until one day I sold everything and got some kliptch and marantz amp. The sound was much better and the cost much lower than all my ex expensive systems.
How can this be even possibile? Either you used to throw away money in bad gear or...?
@@daftpaolo9789 I sold all the rest for a crazy price. Lol. I guess metal and rock does not go well with high costly speakers and amp. Was no dynamic and bass.
@@pauloalexandre-dd4nl got it. These Klipsch seem like they’re perfect for that
Value-for-money today is off the charts. It's FAR better today than ever. Even within the last 5 years, everything has gotten much better for the money. Tracking this over the last 45 years, it wasn't always like this - at all. This can be said about a lot of things today.
Yup, so true.
Well...that was an epic bass coming from speakers without adding a subwoofer!!!!
Ahhh I am so excited you got these speakers ☺️ thanks for a solid review man. Always top quality. I have a Yamaha receiver and was blown away at how well Klipsch and Yamaha pair. I'd be very curious what you think of the heritage line
Yeah, maybe I will reach out to them eventually for other lines.
@@ThomasAndStereo I hope they send you them man. I'm a part of a Klipsch group on Facebook and from what I hear the rf7s and the Cornwalls are two incredible sounding speakers
As much as I like the sonic profile the of the RP600, there seems to be a lacking of punch in the low hundreds hz region. This makes the smaller drums sounds a bit more recessed when compared to the 8000.
In your breakdown on their differences, I found that every single point you made are valid for the Harbeth P3esr and HL5 too! Yeah, I remember breaking the "too darn loud" rule, but way more than just 3 times 😅. Which budget speaker (under USD 1K) do you think is most scalable? Thank you for your videos, and they are just too short! 😉🙏👍🏻
Hey, yeah I have been trying to shorten my video to 10 to 15 mins. My usual take is 25 min then I edit stuff out. Most scalable for the price is Debut 6.2. Now most scalable for under $1200 now are thr Polk Lsim but that is kind of cheating.
I like smaller towers and 2 subs for the reason why we explained they sound more open instrument wise
Great work! Loved this comparison. I'm in a dilemma, should I buy R-820F's or the RP-8000F's? The 8000's are double priced
I’ve had both and kept the 280Fs because they aren’t quite as bright imo. Running them off of a marantz 6013 Avr and Emotiva xpa3 for front stage. 504c center. And I don’t like the copper trim rings they incorporated in the newer model.
@@TheDoozie43 I'm choosing between 280 and 8000. Thanks for Your opinion. But that man 👆had been asking for difference between 820 and 8000 (Reference line vs Reverence Premiere).
Thank you for another wonderful video
Hey great review. I was thinking to have the R8000F with RP600M as surrounds as bookshelf speakers can be used as surround. Do you think its a good setup or would you recommend some other surround speakers, if so which one? Also, would you say if I get a good receiver it should give decent bass (with the built in woofers in R8000F) or subwoofer is necessary?
After doing some research I found out that the dual driver Klipsch is 80 degrees out of phase and it’s very present depending on what seating height you have.
They really need a crossover mod to be corrected. A DAC can help but the woofers need to be wired separately if that’s what you plan to do.
Do some research and you will find that not only am I correct but they really come to life after being modded.
Ah the Gr research vs audioholics debate. You know I have received email from people who have modded their speaker based on Gr research, some loved it and then there are some who hated it. You are assuming it sound better because the graph looks better but if you look at the blind sound test demo from new record day on the rp600m with the Gr research mod, half prefer the original one before the mod.
Two other reviewers specifically mentioned the RP-8000F having a more or less flat response, with the highs being smooth and extensive but not harsh or overpowering.
Possible, all depends what gear you pair it with and how you position it.
Hey Thomas, very nice video, I really enjoy listening to you! I plan to buy the RP8000 along with the WXA50 should I buy a DAC aswell and if so, which one would you recommend?
I would spend a bit extra on the speakers and go the next category up from budget speakers, that way you are future proofing when you upgrade the components. I would find a speaker that you like and build the system around the speakers.
That is another way to approach building a system. No right or wrong answer, both are good.
I suggest more similar 'budget' floorstander reviews such as the new Wharfedale Evo 4.4. I've gone down the route you suggest using a super integrated amp and fairly expensive front end. I doubt the advantage of many hi-end speakers unless they Incorporate large 12" or 15" drivers.
sure, if you can send them an email to ask them to send me one, it would be great. Thanks.
Hi Thomas, I'm new to the hifi scene and I'm building my first 5.1 setup. I'm currently looking at the 8000f as my main speakers and I have one quick question, does it pair well with the Denon X1600H?
Sorry need heard that Denon
Power sound audio speakers have zero ear fatigue. Check them out instead of these. They are phenomenal.
Hey Thomas, how would these compare both RP models, to the LS50W? Thinking of grabbing something for an NYC apartment. Currently don't own any front end so that's something i'm considering
Not sure your budget or preference style but I like my Klipsch 280f paired with the Yamaha aventage 880 which is laid back. Be prepared for long break in period and hard time getting room correction and placement exactly how you like it unless you're more skilled with it than I was.
Last week JBL had the studio 570 for $200 each. I thought that was a good buy so my brother bought a pair. I have the 580 and they're pretty good, too.
Elac ub5 is neutral, kinda boring in my opinion but easy to listen to for long periods of time.
You might find something you like better. I recommend cheap audio man if you're budget is tight.
Hi Thomas, I have old PSB Century 800i tower speakers. I am not an audiophile. Will these Klipsch RP800F be a major upgrade for me?
I think you would need to go higher end for a true upgrade. Whenever I upgrade, I jump at least 2 levels up, one level is not enough.
Is there any difference between the 8000f and the rp 280 besides cosmetic changes?
Sorry, never heard the rp280.
Great video and useful info too. How would you rate the Klipsch Reference Series R-620F? I find that there is low volume of bass with these and i needed to add a sub. Should these put out more than im experiencing or they more aimed at the sound of the mids and highs? Thanks
Thanks, I have never heard the R620F.
Hello Thomas, I'm thinking to go for a Klipsch setup in my living room. Probably going for the RP-6000f @ the front and some RP-500SA in the back. I love music as well movies. I have 3 questions: 1. Should I buy an av receiver like a Marantz NR1710 or just stick to a amp like your Yamaha. I like when the audio sounds full and compleet on lower volume. 2. How do the klipsch Rp 600m bookshelf speakers on stands compare to the RP-6000f like in your video??
3. What do you mean with a good frond end amp and what is the use for an extra external amp. I'm new in the audio scene 🙈 right now I'm just using basic old stuf like a Kenwood ka-5020 amp and some JBL LX1000. It's your video's that inspire me to invest in some new setup. Thx Thomas!!
The thing is if you are going for 5.1, you will need a receiver. I don't know anything about Marantz. I would think the same logic would apply with the RP6000F but less mid bass, I would assume it would be someone coherent the drivers but can't tell unless I hear them.
External amp is great but not necessary, it is only when you play with higher end setup that the benefit really shows. At this level, a good integrated should be fine. I don't know if these RP6000F will be a true upgrade from you JBL LX1000 because those speakers look pretty good. I always say, if you are going to upgrade, jump 2 levels up and not one.
Great job!!! I owned a pair of klipsch rp8000 and I wonder if you had any integrated amp in mind with ht bypass that could match with my speakers. My budget is not over 2000€. I’m sooo confused!!!
Can't beat the price on these. Deciding between these or a pair of SVS floorstanding speakers. Have you listened to any comparable SVS products? Also, looks like you got some Nordost cables on the bookshelf speakers 😂
I had the svs prime before and that has the more traditional sound. Klipsch sound is unique as it is lively and dynamic. Both are great with me liking the Klipsch more but I am driving the Klipsch with way better front end compared to when I had the prime. I would like to try the ultras.
I have diy cables actually.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks for the quick response and great vid. It's always appreciated!
Hello, what wall stands do you jave at 1:43 and will those fit the rp600m in that 90 degrees position? Thanks!
What are your thoughts compared to the acoustic energy 309's or 509's?
My room is small maybe the r 82f are they good? but I like these 8000f my front is a emotiva bas X A3 with the Denon avc x4 700h and 4 basx A2s for the other 8 channels
This is a great review but I wish you’d say the model number instead of pointing and saying “this”. At some points you’re rolling b-roll so we don’t know what you’re referring to and I often listen to these reviews without closely watching the video to see which you’re pointing at.
Honest question. Which speaker do you choose for life, rp 600m or b&w 805d3? :)
Sorry, never heard the 805D3.
Can you test the B&W 603 to compare with Klipsh RP 8000f
I don't have a B&W contact.
Hi Thomas, thank you for the review. I know you had experienced the Qacoustics 3050i. I'm currently using 3050i, When i connected it with Marantz 7055 in stereo at some levels they can't hold up (some noise coming) so thought of upgrading to RP 8000F. I just wanted to know whether I'm doing the right thing and is it a good upgrade ?
You mean at certain volume the 3050i breaks up? The Rp8000F has a completely different sound and if you are playing at ultra high volume, it might be a bit too bright. If you like the 3050i 'softer' sound, perhaps the Polk 707 is more of a closer speaker. Perhaps look for speakers that uses softdome tweeter? It is not an absolute guideline but you might want to start with that first.
Thomas & Stereo hi thomas thanks for the quick response ❤️ Actually at higher volume the driver makes some abnormal sound like we are over powering, also i checked the spec its 100watts but marantz 7055 can drive 140w at 2 channels driven, so I thought it should be because of over powering, i know the klipsch is little harsh, i went with tat option because of the price range, also polk 707 i think is the LSiM series its not available in my country. But i can get wharfdale evo 4.4 if u have any other suggestions pls help, tat will be appreciated .
I never heard the Evo series but I might review it in the near future.
Thomas & Stereo waiting for it 😊
Wonderful review, I am planning to get 8000F pair, what is an ideal centre speaker for this? Can I use my Paradigm 7.1 CT cinema with these speakers, for surround and ceiling Atmos? What is ideal 11 channel AVR for this?
They should have the matching center channel. I think it is this one, check with them.
www.klipsch.ca/products/rp-500c-center-channel-speaker
@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks, but i can use these as atmos and surround right? which 11 channel AVR do you suggest to use with these?
Just snagged a pair for 940 shipped.
I want to buy them for listening to music on a 2.0 setup hooked to an anthem integrated 225 amp... for their price, I can't find anything better. Is their any advice to keep me from pulling the trigger on these?
Did you have a chance to run them around the block with the Class D mono blocks? That type of pairing would leave more $ on the table for the Musical Paradise or Denefrips DAC...
I did try with Classe and it sounded great.
@@ThomasAndStereo Not the CLASSE D220, but the 'DIY' class D mono blocks....sorry to bug
oh man...these are beauties inside out for the price range . When you said : My wife looked at me like, what are you doing man? XD Thats when you know you lost track of volume lol
That is when you know you are in trouble...
Hi Thomas - I'm about to buy the RP600M, but I am not sure what streamer to pair it with. The main use for the speakers is to stream HD music from Amazon Music. Or should I go with the RW-51M due to its bluetooth connectivity? Could you please help me out?
You can also look at The Fives from Klipsh and I will be reviewing it soon.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thomas, I'm not considering the Hives because I like how the bronze color of the woofers on the 600m look.
Is there any chance you could recommend the correct streamer to pair the 600m with, one that doesn't cost a fortune please???
Thank you very much in advance!
I have the 5000f driven by a Yamaha r-n803 (plus svs pb 1000); “fun” is an understatement. Although the Tannoy Revolution xt 8f maybe my next speaker purchase...
Nice, I almost bought the xt8f myself.
Hey Thomas love you videos a while back I asked you what speaker gave the most musical information to elac UniFi ub5 or the Klipsch 600 you chose to Klipsch well, to my ears that could have been further from the truth many things were missing when I put the pair of Klipsch compared to the elac ub5 where more natural not to mention they had a much better Sound Stage, compared to the Klipsch these comparisons were made listen to mostly vinyl and a decent sounding compact disc so maybe the 800 would be better sounding to me but the 600 thank God I had a return policy cuz those babies went back🤔✌
It is great you can return it. I should ask for more info in the future. When people tell me they want more detail, I usually assume they are looking for that top sharp end. The Elac is a more balance and refined speaker while the Rp600M is a more fun speaker. Elac has one of the best instrument separation but it is slightly rolled off on the top end. For many people, they consider that 'not detail' while the RP600M with it's titanium tweeter and boosted top end will sound more 'detail'. As I mentioned in my Sopra2 video, detail is just a question of effort.
But a big thank you for letting me know so I can be more careful in the future.
@@ThomasAndStereo Hey Thomas you know I don't experience that roll off with vinyl, and I really haven't paid attention to the CDs because I hardly ever play them anymore😧😧
I have an SVS pb-1000 and am questioning how much sense it would make to pair a floor standing speaker like the 8000f with a subwoofer, should I just go with a bookshelf instead, for a small room?
You will probably get a bigger sense of scale with the 8000F over the bookshelves.
Hi Thomas, RP8000F speaker, is the tweeter good . is it good like Martin logan speaker tweeter ? Any advise please. Thanks.
It is titanium so it is detail but can be a bit too bright for some people.
Thomas, on the RP8000f what was the best sounding position. Straight a head, 15 degrees towards sweet spot ?
2 different experience, depends on your taste. I have it 2 degrees in.
I keep changing it, first had them straight forward but had alot of reflection off the wall now its treated.
Then I toed them in to limit reflections.
What amp would you recommend for these RP8000f to bring them to warmer side of nuetral. Thxs
I have the the monitor audio silver series. The centre channel is broken somehow. Are these a lot better? Obviously I want to start with the centre speaker. Please advise
No but different. Probably more dynamic.
I didn’t know speakers had a break in period
how does the rp280f compare with the rp8000?
What's the power handling on the bigger speaker
How do the 8000'S compare to the Heritage series like the Forte or Hersey? Is it not even close or surprisingly close?
I don't know if the older speakers I heard are the Heritage series. Sorry.
Thom. Yes, yes, yes. I demoed the KRP8000's also with another Yamaha integrated amp, sorry forgot which, price wise, I think it was less than but close to 1000, and my reaction was. Smile. I really liked it. I can only imagine with my current Mitsubishi DAA15DC they will (hope) have nice synergy. I beat top dollar too that having the Schiit Freya plus will make for nice sound....least that's my theory. I don't have the Freya (yet) but would love to hear maybe a Part ll on this from you regarding paring them with that or other tube preamps, or something. I am still stuck on what path to follow: streaming, using CD (with external DAC, the RME ADI), phono, listening to internet radio/FM...All I know is that I don't want to be in front of a computer and controlling my volume etc via phone/computer. I like remotes and on occasion don't mind having to get up to control volume etc. I see used mint condition OPPO 105 and 203 for sale. I think it will be Very Flexible and am debating getting it and maybe using my PS4 app for music? I don't know....Can't believe you liked the Yamaha match up w/ the 8000's too. Cheers.
Yeah, for the Yamaha amp, it was very specific to the WXA50. I have other Yamaha too but when it comes to equipement matching, it is very specific. Good luck on finding the right solution for you.
When you say Klipsch are forward are you not using room correction? My 280f sound more laid back with Yamaha YPAO set to natural. A lot of mid-bass and bass. Unless the music has a lot of highs, you generally don't even hear forwardness or highs, they have a very warm sound. I've heard them sound forward when I didn't do a good run with YPAO, which means you need to run it again and get further away from the walls when running it. They did sound forward with my Denon.
I did not use room correction. Forward sounding is not a bad thing, just it's presentation and many people love that.
@@ThomasAndStereo oh man you got to room correct with these. I got good results after many attempts using Yamaha receiver with ypao and using the mic from my Denon receiver. Took a while to set up properly but my 280f are practically flawless.
I'm sure there's better when you listen to $300k but I can't imagine anyone thinking the Klipsch aren't a very good bargain.
I think the forwardness or brightness mellows out after a year of regular use. I used to think the tweeters were bright but either my ears have acclimated or the speaker has become tamed.
I was in a music listening session about a month ago and thinking the tweeters have become much smoother and clarity is remarkable. I had them for about 8 months and I was thinking the Tweeter still sounded bright but now I've had them for probably about a year and 3 months and I thought they sound a lot more mellow now and high end. I haven't readjusted them at all; makes me wonder if it's more my ears, the speakers are more mellow or if there's just times my speakers perform better for some unknown reason?
@@kohnfutner9637 Yeah, that is the million-dollar question, is it because your ears got used to it. You can try not to listen to it for a week or 2 and listen to them again and see if it is bright.
@@ThomasAndStereo
Good to hear from you, Thomas. I named my little brother Thomas 33 years ago. (just saying.)
I hadn't done music listening with the 280f in probably a few months. When I went back to listen to music they sounded better than I remembered. Like the edge (forward mid and brightness) was more relaxed, almost soothing. I was surprised by it.
Now that brings another question, maybe they sound better than the speakers I usually listen to or maybe I've lost hearing in that time span? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. All I know is I was like yeah these sound really good, man, Seem to keep getting better.
I've been listening to music on my bedroom system. My Klipsch are in the family room so it's usually just doing theater work, which is done as good as anything I've ever heard. I find it hard to justify a reason to be unsatisfied. Thank you for reading. 🙏 😊
Will the Music souund great with the klipsch RP- 8000F or if i make klipsch suround Sound system on Yamaha RX-A1070 7.2 AV surround receiver. Please help!!!
Which subwoofer do you recommend for RP600M?
How big is your listening room?
I have tried it with Martin Logan and paradigm sub (forgot model) and was ok. 13x19 ft I think.
Hello Thomas, would you tell me where in Canada that I might ever find these speakers for $1300. I have only ever seen them drop as low as $1500 down from $1900. Gibby’s and Crutchfield are the two places I’ve seen them at $1500.
I usually quote in USD because most of my audience are from the States.
Lol, I thought that maybe the case Thomas. Thanks for the fast reply and I’ll assume that $1500 is about the best we can do up here.
@@BuzzSX Could be worse, $1500 is the MSRP on the 600M's in Australia! BTW, I think I saw these down to 1398 during Boxing Week at a few places Gibby's, LD)
This compares to what other brand? I dont like bright speakers more of a BW 700 series type sound some say this is pretty harsh others say its loads better than before. Asking because I have no way of hearing them and Im about to change my front stage to something better. To be clear I dont own the 700 series just heard them last year and really liked them.
If you are ok with B&W speakers, then you should be fine with these. I never heard the 700 series though but only the 800 series with the diamond tweeters.
@@ThomasAndStereo cool thanks I am looking at the Arendal 1723 series those are beasts
Thomas, do you they they sound better than klipsch Heresy IV?
Never heard the Heresy so no idea, sorry.
600m plus 2 subs-Elac.. ? 🤔
Help I have a LG 55 inch what would you get for a soundbar Klipsch that sounds more than just great
Sorry, I don't have any experience with sound bar.
Hey Thomas do you have an email wanted to ask a question since you have had both the 600m and the 8000f
turbotan@gmail.com
hi i have found these in a good price and i desided to buy them. I will use them mostly for movies. Is this a good choice?
I would assume so since they have great dynamics. I think you should check out youthman channel as he is more into HT and Klipsch.
@@ThomasAndStereo i have already done that thanks
I wonder why are there literally no TANNOY reviews on the Internet? It's like they're shadowbanned or something. I'm deciding between these and Tannoy XT6F but the material on Tannoys is SO DAMN thin. The only clue being a suspicious WhatHiFi article. I want to feel the horn tweeter but I guess each speaker has its strengths and weaknesses. Also, they cost the same here in Croatia and I don't have the privilege to hear them out before trying them.
Can you please try to use the Lyngdorf 2170 as a DSD with your regular gear and tell me how it sounds?
Sorry, I no longer have any access to Lyngdorf as my friend sold it.
@@ThomasAndStereo Ok. It just seems like Lyngdorf would be the best choice for almost everyone because of its ability to compensate for a suboptimal room. Still, it is not the best amplifier out there, so if you paired it with something really good you should be in heaven, right? Please take a look at the link I sent you. It's a very interesting read. The Lyngdorf 2170 you can get for 1500 $ used! www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-lyngdorf-roomperfect-eq.6799/
@@rsa008 Thanks for the link. Now I heard the unit and it does sound very good. So good that I would say it comes down to taste between that and my setup at the time. What room correction does is great but what if you prefer the tone of the Audio research LS25 and Mcintosh MC452? I think the 2170 can correct for the overall curve but not separately like the higher model.
@@ThomasAndStereo But couldn't you have the room correction of the lyngdorf and the tone of your preferred amp combined? Maybe not. It's just a thought. I didn't know that the RoomPerfect in the 2170 was inferior of that in the 3400, but I am really not the expert :P
@@rsa008 No, tone control does not change the sound signature of the unit. Also, the 2170 is an integrated amp so you will not need anything else. Finally, room correction can only do so much, for example, if you don't treat your first point of reflection, you will get sound reaching your ears at different speed. That will decrease sound quality and no DSP can fix that.
Are the feet detachable ?
No
I guess if you have a room that's totally dedicated for sound testing and have thousands of dollars in equipment its nice. But the average listener doesn't have 10K in gear plus speakers. So how do they do with an average receiver off the best buy shelf in a regular room not all fixed up?
Its fine, you work with what you have and if it sound good, that is all that matters.
@@ThomasAndStereo yes I suppose at the end of the day that's true!!
What minimum size of room is correct for klipsch rp8000f in your opinion?
well my room is 11x15 so I would say not a lot more smaller than my room.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks. Ps. Your channel is very intereting and helpfull. You do a good job and it's really impressive that you try to answer to all people who ask you.
C'mon Thomas I doubt you're friends said how do people sell high end speakers after listening to these lol.
Mr Kanta absolutely did bring it up because at the end of the day, although we all play with high end audio, we are not dumb and arenot afraid to ask ourselves the tough questions. Part of the reason we can do that is because we have friends that play with budget gear and high end gear. So we listen to a lot of gear and we are constantly moving between different tiers. We KNOW the difference and because we know the difference, we see the gap closing tighter and tighter. Right now I have a pair of Sopra2 that I are just got. How does it compare to all the budget gear I tried, there is a difference for sure. However, as I sit and listen, I ask myself, how big and what is the difference? I can answer that question with my logical head or I can answer that question with my audiophile head. I will explore that when I make the video on the Sopra 2.
How do you hook up those DACs when I only use ARC/HDMI?
You can just input it into one of the analog input on your receiver. You can't use HDMI unless you dac has HDMI output.
Do you notice any changes by bi-amping?
I did not try it.
I was going to buy the rp600m’s, but bought the rp8000f’s instead, the floor standers are more expensive, but didn’t have to buy pricey stands, more bottom end capable, even though I don’t need it (have 2 SVS subs), would assume they have better midrange, and they are beautiful. Go big or go home!
How do they compare to Forte speaker
C39 pre amp and MC 162 amplifier. Sorry accidentally sent 1st message by accident! My bad.
Sir are these speakers good for a karaoke system?
Sure, it should be.
@@ThomasAndStereo thanks sir
Thomas is your son a audiophile? I'm a audiophile because of my dad.
Haha, one day he might grow up to be!
Where do you get money to buy all these, wish I had some
Just don't buy smart phones, use the money to buy these!
@@khoocheepeng unfortunately I am still using one plus 3, I am so poor 🙁🙁
Thomas what speakers are you using for your HT? I have an SC99 pioneer elite like what I’ve seen in your older videos I saw a pioneer elite receiver . Do you recommend these rp8000?
Those are Outlaw LCR. I have a regular Pioneer. I did have an Elite but it was a bluray player. I never plugged these to my Pioneer receiver so I don't know how it will sound. My Pioneer receiver is a bit lean sounding so it does not have a lot of 'body' compared to my stereo amps.
Thomas & Stereo ive noticed that! That’s why I have a separate stereo set up in my office/spare bedroom. My wish would be to incorporate both but I’ve yet to have a solution without have a cluttered mess of equipment.
RP800F vs RF7III
Would love to here your thoughts on the RF7III
Another great vid, Thanks Thomas
Thanks, perhaps I can reach out to Klipsch and ask them to send me the RF7 if there is enough interest from others in this comment section.
Can you drop Klispch an email? I will reach out to them too if enough people ask for it.
Comparing the 8000f vs the RF7iii vs the Polk lsim 707 would be a crazy good comparison
It’ll let you see how the klipsch sound improves within their line and how they compare to the Polk lsim which was in the same price bracket.
@perl man The Polk LSIM 707's are very good. But I think the RF 7 III's are absolutely astonishing!!! I'll be asking Klipsch to send Thomas a pair for review, meanwhile over the past months I've posted a few videos demonstrating the RF 7 III's performance. If you like, please check them out. Cheers.
th-cam.com/video/M7_zMnd0p9I/w-d-xo.html
@perl man Agreed. I'd say it all depends on personal preferences and budget😏. But like you, I did a lot of research before settling on the RF 7III's.
If you click on the image on the top left it should take you to the channel where I have a few videos of the RF 7III's performing in my space. Enjoy.
What receiver up to 600 € will work good with the RP-8000F?
Depends on the sound you are going for. If you are talking about AV receiver, I don't know. However, Stereo integrated amps, I did review a few on this channel or check out Zero Fidelity, he has made a lot of videos on it.
@@ThomasAndStereo thank you!
will these play well with two mono XTZ 400 amps ?
Sorry, never tried.
Thomas, congratulations on another entertaining review, particularly one that a wide range of people can relate to. I've owned both those since they first came out and concur with your experience with each, however, I usually listen to them in a surround setup, but have spent a lot of time pairing them with several amps in stereo application. What I conclude is that the RP series are fundamentally, sound reinforcement speakers, intended to deliver clean dynamics, i.e. fast transition in dB as one would appreciate in an action movie sound effects. When I have used them strictly in stereo, they lack frequency response in the mid band, particularly when played at moderate levels. When belting out sound, they tend to come into better balance through the frequency band (high to low). When playing live music recordings, they can shine nicely over more expensive gear, but they really come together when used in a full 7 or 5 channel setup. The Klipsch center brings out all the missing vocals from the towers or bookshelf types. Then you get true instrument separation with the singer in the middle as in a real live venue. I also own the previous model RF towers with the newest RF center. Although these components are a good bit better than the RP series, the same thing tends to be true. When paired with their center channel, absolutely glorious. Without, as you say, meh. It is simply that the 6.5" and 8" woofers have a significant dB drop off from about 800hz and up, so those speakers rely on the wave guide tweeter (i.e. horn) to pick up the slack. Problem is that those horns only dip down to about 2Khz, thus leaving a void in part of the vocal range. Some think the RP series is warm, but it only seems that way from lack of lower vocal range. The center channel corrects most of this shortcoming. Still, they are a lot of fun, especially for the budget pricing. Won't be using any of my RP gear to replace stereo listening of my Cornwall 3s any time soon though. Cheers Thomas!
Thanks Taz for the clarification. Man I wish I would have spoken to you before I made the review. If I ask for the RF7III, I wonder if I should also ask for the center...
@@ThomasAndStereo Yes, definitely ask for the center RF 64 III, they are great and pairs well with the RF 7 III's..
@@ThomasAndStereo yes, definitely try the center and place the towers as far apart as possible. Even in 3 channel mode, the experience is incredible.
@@CUDAbuster Thanks, I wonder if the 'hole' is the reason why it is so easy to localize the tweeter in the room...
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