What about the Power Amp simulation in the amp block? Don't you have to have this turned off to run into an amp and cab? How do you set that for running both at the same time like this?
Hmmm… What if amp doesn’t have an effects loop and you plug directly into the amp’s input jack. Wouldn’t the amp’s bass, treble and mids, color the sound ?
Awesome, you just perfectly explained the setup into an amp ( as a stage mon) and FOH. I'm expecting the FM3 tomorrow and will just have to fiqure it all out like we all do. Thank you for this, I only wish I could have heard it in your rig rundown.
Great Video. By the way, the Boss Katana is a solid state Amp with a transistor A/B Power Amp Curicut. A very good one, Sounds and reacts almost like a tube Amp.
I am listening to all of your FM3 tutorials, SUPER helpful. I would love to hear how it sounds from the amp as well. I followed this setup using my Mesa Express 5:50 head into the Return, and it did not sound nearly as good as it does through my headset jack out of the FM3, very muddy/bassy... Maybe better EQ-ing within the FM3 is needed depending on the amp being used? I am a novice using the FM3 so any help greatly appreciated.
You can use the global EQ out of output 2 to help tailor the sound going into an fx return. I find I always will need to do this with different amps. Not all FX loops are the sme.
Do you have power amp modeling enabled? Seems that you would either need to have it enabled, which would not be ideal for running into an amp's effects loop, or you would need to have it disabled, which would not be ideal for running into the cabinet block.
Good and clear info. Would it be possible to use Out 2 without the amp block as well? I mean, full modelling to Out 1 and no amp and cab block to Out 2 to connect to amp's input (and not the effects loop)?
Yes, you can absolutely do that. Just connect the out 2 block to a shunt connected to the input 1 block. Make sure the out2 knob is fully clockwise for unity gain and no signal loss
Hi Rosh, What if your backline is a FRFR speaker, and want to use Output 2 for that. Would TRS 1/4inch to XLR adapter work if you put the Cab before Out 1 & 2?
Hey M.A. yes you can do that and just reverse where the output blocks are placed. Note that converting from 1/4 inch with an adapter to XLR will result in a lower overall output. Just turn up the knob and/or FRFR speaker to compensate
Hi Rosh, great video! I'm playing my FM3 via Boss Katana Artist 100 at church through the Return Loop which goes into behringer x16 for FOH. However, by doing so, the output level of my sound is very low and i have to push the AMP level on FM3 at -2db or even 0 at times. Or, i would need to drastically increase the volume from the scenes' output level. The gain level on the channel in the behringer x16 for my guitar is almost at 24db. Any tips how this can tackle? I haven't yet tried the instructions you gave in this video and wondering if by bypassing the cab on the FM3 when going through the return loop would help also. Looking forward to your reply.
I would need more information. Where is your output knob set on your FM3? Are you micing the amp? A lot of variables to cover before I can give a definitive answer
@@RoshRoslin Thanks for your quick reply. Below my settings: - FM3 output 2 to Return effect of Boss Katana. - Signal from Boss Katana goes directly to the Behringer x16; No micing - From the Behringer x16, my signal is distributed to FOH and stage sound. - Before seeing your videos my patch from FM3 is setup as follows : COMP> Vol> Drive> AMP> CAB > Modulation effects> Output1 (copied to output2) At home, i use Rokit5 as home monitor and I also have the Headrush108 FRFR via which i don't have any issue and sound quality is much better
I was wondering why would fm3 turbo sound horrible through effects return with cab off on same patch that sounds great through pa? Lol my ax8 I could just bypass can sounded fine. Any insight would help again not 4 cable just left out into return thanks
@@RoshRoslin you need go advance settings take off frfr on out put the scroll down reset frequencies and scroll down reset db lol I did video figured it has nothing to do with amp or cab did video on it thanks
Do I need to change anything in the settings? Using a Seymour Duncan powerstage and a 4x12 cab. We will use a frfr speaker at practice. I want to use this set up. I’m also using Fishman Fluence moderns. Do I need to change anything to compensate for the hot pickups?
The FRFR speaker will get signal from out1 and the power amp will get signal from Output 2. If you also want to go to FOH you can either use the other Left/Right output from 1 that is not going to the FRFR cab or use an output from your FRFR cab. Most FRFR cabs have an output that links to FOH
Hi again Rosh, thanks for getting back to me , plugged in the humbuster cable , works great , noticed I have the fx coming out from the board , but not the amp ? , is there an easy way to set it up to also have the fx play through the amp as well ? Appreciate your help
Is it possible to do this with stereo cabs? If I run stereo effects into the cab block will this stay stereo for front of house? Ideally I would run output 2 to 2 separate power amps and cabs but I'm wondering if running the effects into the cab block (for output 1) would sum everything to mono. Hope this makes sense!
Yes, just make sure to pan the cabinets correctly and use a stereo cab block which also has stereo inputs. Ping/Pong delays etc will be panned between both cabinets and sent to FOH
Hi Rosh. Can you make video about two guitarists use one axe fx 3, every guitarist with own input and output.? How to I/O, how to pan them, mono or stereo? Thank you.
Hey Rosh, great video! If you wanted to run a live setup exactly as you demonstrated but also incorporate in ears, would you be able to run a second XLR from the second jack of output 1 to do so?
Hey Jeff, Yes you would. I have a video in the queue going over this exact setup. If you have an In ear rig that takes quarter inch jacks and/or has combo jacks you could use copy out1 to out 2 and use Output 2 to your In Ear Monitors
Hey Rosh, thanks for the vid. I’m running into my amp through the fx return as well, but the fm3 manual says to set the output 2 to line level. Are you able to explain the difference to me? Why do you use unity?
hi daniel .. im musz from malaysia .. i follow all your setup .. then my output 2 connect to return amp n then no sound .. i need your help .. i think have any settings at fm3 left behind .. looking forward for your reply 🙏🏻
Hi, I would need to take a look at your preset. Have you tried turning up the output 2 knob to fully clockwise? If you're still having trouble we can set up a remote session. Thanks!
How would you run this if you wanted to use the AMP and only use the FM3 for Reverb/Delay in a effect loop. While still running the FM3 profile amp sim to front of house?
You need to have two independent signal paths. One for the FX loop with a real amp, using input and output 2 blocks. Then Input 1 -> output 1 would be the amp sim to front of house with a cabinet block. You'll need an A/B switch to go into both the front of your guitar amp and the FM3 instrument input
Yes. You can split between in and output blocks essentially making a W/D/W rig if desired. You may need a DI box for output 2 on the FM3 to convert to the correct impedance.
I'm running two tube amps. I only see xrl out on output 2 I have to run a quarter inch cable out to my amps. Do I use output one or output 3 on the back of the unit?
i use a helix live straight in front of amp no modeling just the effects. when i try to do the same with the FM3 its like half the volume am i missing something. i have the level 2 knob all the way up.
Rosh, just to double check, can you hook an FM3 to a Marshall practice amp? If yes, can it be connected to the speaker input? My amp doesn’t have an effects return connector.
@@Sorbzski99 ❓🤔 Maybe I’m using the wrong term. On the back of my amp there is a 8 and 16 ohm 1/4 “ jack input I think. That’s what I was referring to. Can a FM3 be hooked up to that?
Great tips. Can you please help me decide between the FM3 and an Ampero 2. Both have great tone. Ampero might lack tone packs named after the actual songs which I find useful. Most the packs are just named after amps which is less helpful. Ampero 2 is $400 vs. $1,000. Thanks~
@@RoshRoslin Hi Rosh. Shocking comment. How is that possible? FM9 has the same Cygnus engine, twice the DSP and IN ADDITION to all the features in the FM3, it has tons more. It is like the much higher trim level on the same car. IMHO, the FM9 is closer to the AxeFXIII. What am I missing? I've been watching your video series but about the FM3 being better- were you joking? The ONLY two clear benefits I can for the FM3 include 1. the much nicer form factor and 2. price. Definitely NOT features and tone but maybe I am wrong? What specifically are you referring to please?
@@MOAB-UTare you right in the head mate? Your comment asked him which did he prefer between a FM3 and Ampero not FM9! Have a look at your original post
@@dnast01 It would appear not but I think there was another video he did that I was referring to. I have had the FM9 on my mind a lot. Sometimes I will refer to things that are from other posts. The OP usually gets it. Not as concerned with what others thing. No offense to you. If you are interested in a brief update...and in case you are in the market for a new toy, I ended up buying a FM9 - it's a beast. Better than the FM3 and Ampero II which I also bought, but quickly returned. Ironically however, the cheap Ampero II had a better UI and touchscreen. I also bought a MG-30 for $200. It is a great deal for that price. The FM9, as great as it was went back too- sold (no loss at all.) I could not live with the dated UI- not for $1800. When they update that, I will replace it. In the meantime, the MG-30 is holding me over.
You can definitely go through each section on the FC6 and also have song/up and down on the FM3. You need to have two separate layouts to do this One for the FM3, one for the FC6. It would be too detailed to explain in one simple reply message. if yo'd like to do a paid consult, please email me at roshroslin@gmail.com Thanks!
You would need to use a DI box, or you can use a converter/adapter to the board, but you will notice a level drop. Just turn up the out 2 knob and/or gain at the mixer
Hi Rosh , I’m trying to connect my FM 3 to my amp as well as the board , I’ve purchased the humbuster cable , used output 2 , going into the front of my amp ( input ) , no sound , please help
Great video as usual. To be honest the Fm3 dsp power is a bit ridiculous. 70% (as showed in your video) for a bunch of blocks is a waste of money. Maybe someone has less demanding needs from a digital unit but guys compared to Fm9 the Fm3 has no reason to exit and to me it doesn't give any advantage to Fractal "supertech" reputation.
The newer firmware updates actually use less DSP. The FM3 was the first floor unit in this generation of Fractal Products, with the FM9 coming out -years- later. Now that I have both, the FM3 is mainly used as a smaller footprint unit for fly dates and such.
What about the Power Amp simulation in the amp block? Don't you have to have this turned off to run into an amp and cab? How do you set that for running both at the same time like this?
I leave it on. You need it so the amp sounds correct when sending signal to FOH.
Hmmm… What if amp doesn’t have an effects loop and you plug directly into the amp’s input jack. Wouldn’t the amp’s bass, treble and mids, color the sound ?
Awesome, you just perfectly explained the setup into an amp ( as a stage mon) and FOH. I'm expecting the FM3 tomorrow and will just have to fiqure it all out like we all do. Thank you for this, I only wish I could have heard it in your rig rundown.
Thanks, Much appreciated!
Thanks for all these videos. Just got me a FM3. Without you I would have been confused.
I'm french speaking, so sometimes I need to rewind a bit to fully understand, but your explanation are very clear.
Thank you!
Thanks for continuing with the FM3 discussion. With its size, it still plays a very important role in the lineup. Best, Daniel
Setting up patch selection and looping workflow with view controllers on three buttons might be interesting!
Thanks!
This video is amazing! Now I don't need to worry about live situations with my fm3! Thanks
Glad it helped!
Great Video. By the way, the Boss Katana is a solid state Amp with a transistor
A/B Power Amp Curicut. A very good one, Sounds and reacts almost like a tube Amp.
Thank you !!!! You're the wizard. One Love from Norway
You're very welcome!
Thank you for the info 🙏
You're welcome!
Excellent as always
Thank you! Cheers!
I am listening to all of your FM3 tutorials, SUPER helpful. I would love to hear how it sounds from the amp as well. I followed this setup using my Mesa Express 5:50 head into the Return, and it did not sound nearly as good as it does through my headset jack out of the FM3, very muddy/bassy... Maybe better EQ-ing within the FM3 is needed depending on the amp being used? I am a novice using the FM3 so any help greatly appreciated.
You can use the global EQ out of output 2 to help tailor the sound going into an fx return. I find I always will need to do this with different amps. Not all FX loops are the sme.
Do you have power amp modeling enabled?
Seems that you would either need to have it enabled, which would not be ideal for running into an amp's effects loop, or you would need to have it disabled, which would not be ideal for running into the cabinet block.
Yes I keep my power amp modeling enabled. I don't think it's necessary to turn it off in the situation in this video.
Good and clear info. Would it be possible to use Out 2 without the amp block as well? I mean, full modelling to Out 1 and no amp and cab block to Out 2 to connect to amp's input (and not the effects loop)?
Yes, you can absolutely do that. Just connect the out 2 block to a shunt connected to the input 1 block. Make sure the out2 knob is fully clockwise for unity gain and no signal loss
Thank you! Would I be able to add some drives and delays to that line that connects to Out 2?
Thank you and God bless!
You're welcome. Thanks!
Hi Rosh,
What if your backline is a FRFR speaker, and want to use Output 2 for that. Would TRS 1/4inch to XLR adapter work if you put the Cab before Out 1 & 2?
Hey M.A.
yes you can do that and just reverse where the output blocks are placed. Note that converting from 1/4 inch with an adapter to XLR will result in a lower overall output. Just turn up the knob and/or FRFR speaker to compensate
Hi Rosh, great video! I'm playing my FM3 via Boss Katana Artist 100 at church through the Return Loop which goes into behringer x16 for FOH. However, by doing so, the output level of my sound is very low and i have to push the AMP level on FM3 at -2db or even 0 at times. Or, i would need to drastically increase the volume from the scenes' output level. The gain level on the channel in the behringer x16 for my guitar is almost at 24db. Any tips how this can tackle? I haven't yet tried the instructions you gave in this video and wondering if by bypassing the cab on the FM3 when going through the return loop would help also. Looking forward to your reply.
I would need more information. Where is your output knob set on your FM3? Are you micing the amp? A lot of variables to cover before I can give a definitive answer
@@RoshRoslin Thanks for your quick reply. Below my settings:
- FM3 output 2 to Return effect of Boss Katana.
- Signal from Boss Katana goes directly to the Behringer x16; No micing
- From the Behringer x16, my signal is distributed to FOH and stage sound.
- Before seeing your videos my patch from FM3 is setup as follows : COMP> Vol> Drive> AMP> CAB > Modulation effects> Output1 (copied to output2)
At home, i use Rokit5 as home monitor and I also have the Headrush108 FRFR via which i don't have any issue and sound quality is much better
Does the cab block location change the sound? Typically its right after the amp block. Just curious, thanks
Yes, in relation to effects after the cabinet or before the cabinet, your effects can sound different.
I was wondering why would fm3 turbo sound horrible through effects return with cab off on same patch that sounds great through pa? Lol my ax8 I could just bypass can sounded fine. Any insight would help again not 4 cable just left out into return thanks
it depends on the quality of the amp, power section and effects loop. I've had hit or miss experiences, but it was always due to the amp.
@@RoshRoslin you need go advance settings take off frfr on out put the scroll down reset frequencies and scroll down reset db lol I did video figured it has nothing to do with amp or cab did video on it thanks
Do I need to change anything in the settings? Using a Seymour Duncan powerstage and a 4x12 cab. We will use a frfr speaker at practice. I want to use this set up. I’m also using Fishman Fluence moderns. Do I need to change anything to compensate for the hot pickups?
The FRFR speaker will get signal from out1 and the power amp will get signal from Output 2. If you also want to go to FOH you can either use the other Left/Right output from 1 that is not going to the FRFR cab or use an output from your FRFR cab. Most FRFR cabs have an output that links to FOH
Hi again Rosh, thanks for getting back to me , plugged in the humbuster cable , works great , noticed I have the fx coming out from the board , but not the amp ? , is there an easy way to set it up to also have the fx play through the amp as well ? Appreciate your help
It depends on how you have your setup. It sounds like you have different effects going to out2.
Is it possible to do this with stereo cabs? If I run stereo effects into the cab block will this stay stereo for front of house?
Ideally I would run output 2 to 2 separate power amps and cabs but I'm wondering if running the effects into the cab block (for output 1) would sum everything to mono.
Hope this makes sense!
Yes, just make sure to pan the cabinets correctly and use a stereo cab block which also has stereo inputs. Ping/Pong delays etc will be panned between both cabinets and sent to FOH
Hi Rosh. Can you make video about two guitarists use one axe fx 3, every guitarist with own input and output.? How to I/O, how to pan them, mono or stereo? Thank you.
Added to the queue, thanks!
Hey Rosh, great video! If you wanted to run a live setup exactly as you demonstrated but also incorporate in ears, would you be able to run a second XLR from the second jack of output 1 to do so?
Hey Jeff,
Yes you would. I have a video in the queue going over this exact setup. If you have an In ear rig that takes quarter inch jacks and/or has combo jacks you could use copy out1 to out 2 and use Output 2 to your In Ear Monitors
@@RoshRoslin Fantastic. Thank you for confirming!
Hey Rosh, thanks for the vid. I’m running into my amp through the fx return as well, but the fm3 manual says to set the output 2 to line level. Are you able to explain the difference to me? Why do you use unity?
Use the output 2 knob fully clockwise with no boost or pad to achieve unity gain when going through the effects loop of an amp (as a power amp)
Does the connection to the amplifier return only work with a humbuster cable?
You can use a regular instrument cable, but it may introduce ground noise.
hi daniel .. im musz from malaysia .. i follow all your setup .. then my output 2 connect to return amp n then no sound .. i need your help .. i think have any settings at fm3 left behind .. looking forward for your reply 🙏🏻
Hi, I would need to take a look at your preset. Have you tried turning up the output 2 knob to fully clockwise? If you're still having trouble we can set up a remote session. Thanks!
Any reason you don't place a global eq block before output 2 to shape the sound a bit before hitting the power section of the tube amp?
I can do it in the global EQ in the setup menu
How would you run this if you wanted to use the AMP and only use the FM3 for Reverb/Delay in a effect loop. While still running the FM3 profile amp sim to front of house?
You need to have two independent signal paths. One for the FX loop with a real amp, using input and output 2 blocks. Then Input 1 -> output 1 would be the amp sim to front of house with a cabinet block. You'll need an A/B switch to go into both the front of your guitar amp and the FM3 instrument input
@@RoshRoslin I understand but why the A/B switch ? - I want them both running at all times…..One is for me and one if for the audience
Thanks for.this video, i assumed that you can send ur dry signal to the FOH and then running wet in stereo right?
Yes. You can split between in and output blocks essentially making a W/D/W rig if desired. You may need a DI box for output 2 on the FM3 to convert to the correct impedance.
A -stereo- DI box.
Hi Rosh. Love this set set up. How would I incorporate an external pedal within a loop of the fm3 with this set up.
Unfortunately, you're out of ins and outs to incorporate a pedal in a loop. Try running the pedal in front of the FM3
@@RoshRoslin damn I thought as mush. No worries. Thank you so much
I'm running two tube amps. I only see xrl out on output 2 I have to run a quarter inch cable out to my amps. Do I use output one or output 3 on the back of the unit?
On the FM3, output 2 has quarter inch outputs. Are you referring to the AxeFX3?
i use a helix live straight in front of amp no modeling just the effects. when i try to do the same with the FM3 its like half the volume am i missing something. i have the level 2 knob all the way up.
Are you using the unity gain setting on output 2? Are you running Mono out of output 2 instead of stereo?
Thanks Rosh yes i'm at unity and mono i'll keep digging see if i can figure it out. @@RoshRoslin
Do you have any tutorial on wet dry wet setup with fm3? thanks
I don't, but would be happy to set up a session with you if you need help in this manner.
great video and tutorial not like some other people
Glad you liked it!
Rosh, just to double check, can you hook an FM3 to a Marshall practice amp? If yes, can it be connected to the speaker input? My amp doesn’t have an effects return connector.
@@Sorbzski99 ❓🤔 Maybe I’m using the wrong term. On the back of my amp there is a 8 and 16 ohm 1/4 “ jack input I think. That’s what I was referring to. Can a FM3 be hooked up to that?
ABSOLUTELY NOT. DO NOT PLUG THE FM3 INTO SPEAKER INPUTS OR OUTPUTS YOU COULD DAMAGE YOUR UNIT.
If your amp doesn't have an FX loop, then you can plug into the guitar input of your amp
@@RoshRoslin Awesome ❗️Many thanks Rosh‼️🍺
@@RoshRoslin Hey, I forgot, does the FM3 have a stereo output?
Great tips. Can you please help me decide between the FM3 and an Ampero 2. Both have great tone. Ampero might lack tone packs named after the actual songs which I find useful. Most the packs are just named after amps which is less helpful. Ampero 2 is $400 vs. $1,000.
Thanks~
I'm biased, but the FM3 has better features and better tone.
@@RoshRoslin Hi Rosh. Shocking comment. How is that possible? FM9 has the same Cygnus engine, twice the DSP and IN ADDITION to all the features in the FM3, it has tons more. It is like the much higher trim level on the same car.
IMHO, the FM9 is closer to the AxeFXIII. What am I missing? I've been watching your video series but about the FM3 being better- were you joking? The ONLY two clear benefits I can for the FM3 include 1. the much nicer form factor and 2. price. Definitely NOT features and tone but maybe I am wrong? What specifically are you referring to please?
@@MOAB-UTare you right in the head mate? Your comment asked him which did he prefer between a FM3 and Ampero not FM9! Have a look at your original post
@@dnast01 It would appear not but I think there was another video he did that I was referring to. I have had the FM9 on my mind a lot. Sometimes I will refer to things that are from other posts. The OP usually gets it. Not as concerned with what others thing. No offense to you.
If you are interested in a brief update...and in case you are in the market for a new toy, I ended up buying a FM9 - it's a beast. Better than the FM3 and Ampero II which I also bought, but quickly returned. Ironically however, the cheap Ampero II had a better UI and touchscreen. I also bought a MG-30 for $200. It is a great deal for that price. The FM9, as great as it was went back too- sold (no loss at all.) I could not live with the dated UI- not for $1800. When they update that, I will replace it. In the meantime, the MG-30 is holding me over.
How does it sound running into Boss Katana? Does the Katana color the tones?
It's more affected by the speaker, which in my opinion is a little midrangey and has this upper mid spike.
How do you do this if you have FX after the cab?
You need to have the cab block at the end.
Dude your kiilling me
What about the power amp setting in the FM3?
Usually you set the output 2 knob fully clockwise and adjust the power amp volume from the power amp itself.
Where out 2 cable goes?
Out 2 cable goes to the guitar amp
@@RoshRoslin where to? You already plugged XLR into return in the amp..
THANKS for your video answer Rosh, too fast!!!
You're very welcome :)
How do you approach this set up on a preset that has the cab block early in the chain before all of the effects?
You can definitely go through each section on the FC6 and also have song/up and down on the FM3. You need to have two separate layouts to do this One for the FM3, one for the FC6. It would be too detailed to explain in one simple reply message.
if yo'd like to do a paid consult, please email me at roshroslin@gmail.com Thanks!
Hi Rosh , I found out how to use the fx loop to connect using out 1 ( XLR ) , can output 2 ( XLR) be sent to a board as well ?
You would need to use a DI box, or you can use a converter/adapter to the board, but you will notice a level drop. Just turn up the out 2 knob and/or gain at the mixer
Hi Rosh , I’m trying to connect my FM 3 to my amp as well as the board , I’ve purchased the humbuster cable , used output 2 , going into the front of my amp ( input ) , no sound , please help
You'll need to add an out2 block to your preset.
Thank you 👍
Great video as usual. To be honest the Fm3 dsp power is a bit ridiculous. 70% (as showed in your video) for a bunch of blocks is a waste of money. Maybe someone has less demanding needs from a digital unit but guys compared to Fm9 the Fm3 has no reason to exit and to me it doesn't give any advantage to Fractal "supertech" reputation.
The newer firmware updates actually use less DSP. The FM3 was the first floor unit in this generation of Fractal Products, with the FM9 coming out -years- later. Now that I have both, the FM3 is mainly used as a smaller footprint unit for fly dates and such.