Had my sport stolen 2 years ago, police and insurance couldn’t give a toss If all insurers got together and refused to insure them until they made them harder to nick they’d soon make them impregnable I’ll never buy one again
They're just so bad, so easy to steal, so unreliable, high insurance costs, awful ingenium engine, poor mpg, so ridiculously expensive to repair and maintain...And not to mention some of the worst customer service from main Landover/Jaguar Dealerships I've ever had to deal with for my work and on behalf of customers, I've not heard one single JLR customer of ours who's ever been happy with their car or the main dealer never not once! No wonder they've tanked and so they should
So unreliable? You mean for the new cars? The new Land Rover cars & Jaguars are pretty reliable Edit: untagged the Channel's name, coz I added it by mistake!
Have you ever owned one? I've had 6. None perfect but all brilliant to drive, great at what they do and none have been unreliable. Yes, they require maintenance but they're a complex beast. We commute, tow, explore. Have crossed deserts, rivers and glaciers and they take it all in their stride.
I don't what ranger rover you had, but my 3.00 diesel mhev velar 23 plate has been achieving 50 mpg on run ,46 mpg urban, city 32 mpg, Yes insurance has gone up, it has for every one .
A work colleague of mine treated himself to a nice mk 1 RR Sport V8 and had it for nearly 3 weeks before it was stolen. That was around a year ago now and I am beginning to think that the thieves have actually done him a favour in the long run.
Dropped 8k in value over 12 months. Sold after insurance premium doubled. 2015 RRS from new, no problem with it. Best car I ever owned. Sad to let it go.
Not just Land Rover products that have seen insurance premiums double. Many other premium car owners have witnessed increased insurance premiums with some owners on forums reporting treble increases🤯
My old man has a 2019 p400 was 86k new. Just been quoted 75k to Change. 30k part ex 105k new car. And he paid 60k for it at the end of 3yr period. Had nothing but trouble with it the whole time and it needs 3k parts on hybrid / battery unit.
So, to summarise: The main issue causing the Range Rover market to crash is that most Range Rover owners can’t really afford to own a Range Rover. Living on the never-never in order to project an image of wealth that is exaggerated. Very 2023. And that most people who own Range Rovers live in areas where your cars get stolen. Bravo.
How do you figure those who drive it are trying to project an image of wealth? Did you come up with that stat? Do you even give credence to how the car makes them feel? Isn't that something a broke person would say? I would've never thought you'd drive a car to make people think you're wealthy rather than for how it makes you feel. Are you just resentful of RR drivers and by extension, successful people? What you wrote says a lot about the society you live in and your upbringing, good sir. Not the owners.
@@brunoultra7215 that is what society is all about these days. Range Rovers used to be owned only by the people who could afford them. Nowadays almost anyone can buy one on finance. You sir, have incorrectly identified me as being jealous. I love Range Rovers. And I salute anyone who can genuinely afford to buy (and run) a nice one. But if you drive a car that cost you more than half your annual salary, then that’s how the situation described in this video comes about. Sounds more like you feel attacked personally by my comment. Not the intention at all.
I have been looking to buy a 2018+ RR Sport from a LR dealer. I have watched some cars sitting in dealers since September and they have now reduced them by nearly £10,000. But I did check my insurance, and it is 3x more expensive than a few months ago.
When you say you checked your insurance, do you mean you checked how much it would cost to amend your current policy from the car you currently drive to a 2018+ RR Sport? Did you not get some quotes from the various comparison sites?
In the u.s. the interest rate is high here so many people aren't buying. So cars are sitting longer. Insurance here is based on the driver and their driving record and location.
Sounds like a perfect storm for prices. Unfortunately its set to continue, prices will fall untill customers are willing to buy and that is some way off
There is a reliability problem with these vehicles. I purchased a New 2017 RR Sport HSE SDV8. It averaged 3 visits to the dealer each year for the 6 years I owned it for DPF and Turbo issues. I purchased a 2023 Porsche Cayenne GTS Coupe, ordered it August last year and it arrived March this yer. Hasn't needed to go back to the dealership once. What a difference.
Let's see when you go back to your Porsche service department and find out how much your oil change, brake service etc will cost you on their intervals...😂😂😂 than come back and give IA a cost breakdown...
I just got a quote for a Vogue 2010 120k full service history and in mint condition. Car is on a forecourt for just £6250 and admittedly I am 65 , retired and with full no claims and a clean license. Cheapest quote is only £440! Whats not to like? Going to wait another month and hopefully get a 2015 for the same price. Lets see......
I had the same problem in the late 80s when i had a Sierra Cosworth. Insurance went into orbit and too many restrictions so had to sell it in 89. As they were called Ford takeaways
@@blackdog-xc7oxgreedy insurers, who like oil companies and utility companies have a monopoly and have us over a barrel! These insurance companies have a licence to print money!😤😡🤬
International business/ governments forcing people off the road. New EV world order. Limited travel ability. Carbon credit etc. Make ICE vehicles prohibitively expensive and offer tax credits for EV. Writings on the wall yall reading it?
My elderly father who usually gets super cheap insurance rates due to his age, area etc. has been given a quote for a facelift RR sport for £5k! Used to be ~ £1k
It appears to me to mean that when you buy a Range Rover its not a matter of IF it is stolen but more of a WHEN it will be stolen.. this, together with the extortionate servicing costs, dodgy reliability and high insurance rates.. just steer clear of them..👍🏴
Makes me laugh when our insurers don't even discount when you tell them you have a good steering lock like a Disklok, yes a grinder can remove them but they are a great deterrent. And owners can't be bothered using a steering lock if they value their cars too, but the Manufacturers are the ones to blame adding keyless entry and keyless locking who is that lazy they can't turn a key in a lock maybe.
Interesting topic. I have had Range Rovers for over 20 years and agree that the early ones had many problems however, I owned L322s for many years and am currently a RR Sport that has only received servicing in the 4 years owned. There have been reputational issues however, many of these are unfounded. ALL car insurance have gone up and the main issue is not RR being stolen it is the fact that in a crash electric cars are mostly written off. This has massively increased insurance costs across the board. We have 4 cars in our household, Fiesta, Golf, Discovery Sport and RR Sport. As a percentage increase, the Fiesta went up the most!
I've seen them go for quite alot less at Auction, I've seen as low as £13 grand at Aston Barclay Leeds on a 15plate , that's the Lowest when car has actually sold.
JLR are going to lose market share if they don't fit a fool proof immobiliser like Autowatch Ghost II during manufacture. It is a £500 cost. Why on earth JLR don't fit them or design one of their own is beyond me. I have one fitted to my Range Rover. It just makes sense
The Jaguar part of JLR is sinking because they make cars nobody wants. The Land Rover part of JLR is sinking because they make cars that everybody wants.
My insurance with NCB is 2300 a year for a Jazz and Polo in SW18, not just LR and RR. Also, if you have to finance your wheels, you can't afford the car in the first place.
One of the main things that make these easy to steal is the keyless entry. (they can take the signal from the key and unlock the car) If you disable this, than it makes it much harder to steal. If you live in a place where car theft isn't high than its a good deal.
This definitely helps but there's at least 2 other popular ways to steal these that don't involve relaying the keyless signal. You pretty much need a faraday blocker, Ghost immobilizer, some sort of steering wheel lock and a VHF tracker (standard GPS trackers are useless now that they bring blockers with them) to have a chance of keeper a Rangie for more than a year in some parts of the UK. Crazy. Even the brand new ones are getting nicked because the CAN bus is not secured and is hidden behind plastic (JLR literally used plastic on certain body panels on a £100k+ car) in certain parts.
@@SeaJayBelfast yeah. I have heard that there is going to be some recall or something to fix the security on 2018 and newer cars. But the preventative measures you have advised are great.
I love my 2013 Range Rover Sport HSE. However I do ALL maintenance myself. I did take it into an Independent shop to get the rear brakes seen to and they failed big time. They did point out a likely spot for wire corrosion so that was worth learning. So I did the rear brakes myself with a good used control unit which is a real pain to replace. I am currently replacing the head unit as it will not accept complete addresses. Not difficult at all. Also the rear hatch would not raise automatically however reseating the control module connectors solved that problem. Not bad for 8 years of ownership.
Insurance premiums are doubling for every car, not just RR. Sadly, there's loads of people moving right to the end of their budget and beyond to cut about in a RR. Doesn't take much to Jenga the finances, and it's the first thing to go. Market is flooded with them, but theft worries me, so i'd leave one well alone.
Just why would anyone buy this crap?? There's so much better quality vehicles out there which don't have the sigma and cheaper to insure. These Indian JLR products are toral rubbish..
Too true. Hopefully the plight of these ugly status symbles will go the distance. Not a single person that has them needs them, Infact a small hatchback would suffice 99.9% of all Chelsea Tractor owners.
Beautiful when working correctly, but unfortunately LR not addressing reliability issues that come with range rovers etc and prices new are silly plus now insurance going through the roof and repairs(which it will need at some point) cost £££££, I’ll stick with my 5 series touring
Very interesting video, but I would have thought you could also mention the Ulez congestion and pollution charge problem in London and other big cities and people selling combustion engined vehicles and buying electric cars instead, particularly as the Chinese are producing masses of cheap very good electric vehicles now and pay zero road tax?
In general, Insurance prices are going up because of electric cars and the fact they are very expensive and can be uneconomical to repair if involved in an accidemt. Added to the fact that prestige cars are being stolen, it's no wonder insurance prices are going through the roof.
My town has several car dealerships. The JLR dealership has the largest garage with the most mechanics by far. They look like they are overworked. I cant help but imagine they are doing a lot of repair work.
I think if you own one of these Rovers, better use it often, better yet as a daily. I noticed that those who use it frequently its as if its the everday “Corolla”, the lesser the problems are.
good video and interesting content has brought out all the RR knockers as usual, I love them best car most people will ever drive currently looking to upgrade can get a lot of motor for around 35k, live in Oxfordshire so the insurance is reasonable, I hope the prices keep falling.
I had to cancel my order for a 2024 Range Rover Vogue SE because I could not get insurance living in North Yorkshire. Even Land Rover insurance refused to offer me cover. I ordered a new Audi Q7...insurance was not problem.
The bit you didn’t mention these are the most unreliable cars on the road, and dealers are also having to deal with major parts shortages. So cars are off the road for months waiting for parts. I also heard 90 RangeRovers are being stolen a day in London alone. So I guess the upside is if yours is broken you can buy used parts from a freshly stolen one!
Indeed a pal of mine has a disco, it’s always in the garage, apparently the dealers are having to get parts off eBay. I have picked him up from there twice in the last few months.
What Land Rover need to do is to recall every single vehicle and disable the stupid keyless entry system. Insurers should refuse to insure any vehicle with keyless. The situation would very soon change.
Its not only RR but anything under the umbrella of Land Rover/Jaguar... I had a Freelander 2 2009 nothing spectacular ... Hastings refused to give me a quote. I initially thought something was wrong with my application but after attempts I remembered the stories going around on the forums and tried a 2009 Ford Smax with the same details...Instant quote! Land Rover screwed up and screwed their customers over with their slipshod slack security. Reminds me of Mercedes with their cost-cutting in the early 2000's that led to the rust scandals and took them years to claw their way back to some respect but never the same...
JLR the manufacturer have been told again and again over years by the insurance companies but refuse to fix the keyless theft issues. The dealers are having to fix it at their own cost
The Range Rover is considered to have some drawbacks when it comes to its performance as a 4x4 vehicle. Its reliability has been a concern for many, and there have been reports of issues with its manufacturing process in India. The quality of the vehicle may not always match the price paid, which can be disappointing.
That's putting it mildly! They consistently come last in all reliability surveys and have enormous engine and electrical issues. Basically they're over-priced, over-weight, over-large crap.
Second hand market is the same with many vehicles dropping in price, it's not complicated. I don't think it's anything to do with theft. Whenever there's a financial crisis, luxury goods are the first to see sales slow down and people are not going to buy them. With the Range Rover, they're expensive to run and people who buy older ones in many cases can't really afford to run them anyway. So as soon as prices start going up they start looking for cheaper cars to run. But are they struggling? JLR recently posted their best financial results ever, so frankly I'd take all this with a pinch of salt because they're clearly selling them.
My theory is the Insurance premiums will now start to fall 2 main reasons 1 As the values plummet so so does the cost of payouts should your Range Rover get stolen ie less risk 2.if the values plummet they become less desirable to the thieves re Risk and Reward. Anyway that's my theory
Their value isnt decreasing where the cars are going. They are not being stolen in the UK to be sold in the UK, they are going Africa most of the time.
OMG - This was made before the recent Jaguar DEI commercial that featured no cars and put the final nail in the coffin for the brand. Until now, most people did not know Range Rover was a Jag brand.
I’m annoyed, my supercharged Mercedes SLK’s insurance quote is going up from £240 to £340, fully comp and protected no claims bonus! It’s ULEZ compliant, by the way!
Wow! lucky people. Come here to TAX on everything Ireland. The prices of Range Rovers are higher than Everest here. By the way they are class machines.
Hello, good informative video. I purchased a Used Landrover Discovery Sport HSE in August 2022- on PCP for £30k. I went to the used car dealership today (18months) from when I purchased this, they've now informed me the car is only worth £15k approx 23k mileage on the clock. Do you have any advice how I could shift this car without taking too much of a hit? Would you know if the prices are likely to stablelise and likely to increase in the next few months. Sorry for all the questions, I'm just struggling to know what to do with it and any advice is appreciated.
Your best bet depending on your PCP term is to probably keep it as when the contract finishes, if you are still in negativity equity you can just give the keys back and walk away, let the finance company swallow the cost.
Well i am in a better situation, operating in New Zealand, low car theft. low insurance, my 2013Autobiography i purchased 3 years old from UK Vat declared, so perhaps the time to look again.
This is all over you tube but I’d like to know where the prices have dropped as the ones I’ve seen are still very high. Seems to me that dealers are buying cheap but not passing that on with the sale price.
Yet. Dealers may be toughing it it out for now but they have to pay bank interest on inventory. When stock starts to grow grass under them watch for the fire sale!
A friend’s LR Defender . 71 plate was so unreliable that LR gave the customer a replacement vehicle , a 23 plate . This has now been off the road for 5 months due to the gearbox putting the vehicle into limp mode . Faulty sensor but no parts. So they now in a borrowed Defender from the dealer . Who want it back. Cant make it up . But LR Defenders still sell new like hot cales😂
stay well away if you want a reliable vehicle. I've been a mechanic for 24 years now and these are by far the most common car we work on. They are built very poorly, all models including the SVR and higher ups. They are in my opinion designed to fail, using far too many cheap plastic parts which perish very quickly and leave the owners with huge bills, even when well maintained.
The phycology of it interests me, I drive a 98 jeep zj with a dent in the back door ( because it wouldn't open without force ) and people think I'm poor or insignificant etc however if I rented a range rover and plonked it on my drive I will achieve new found admiration and appear to have arrived, have more followers on insta I'm now successful soo as long as I can pay the monthlys and it's covered by warranty I can fake my success......is that why? do you think? ....
If you can steal a Bentley in seconds then any car is at risk. LR are being targeted more because they are desirable and a status symbol. Insurance companies are just cashing in nothing more, that said it’s all a scam from purchase to maintenance to insuring to sale.
Love my 4.4 L322....Snag is £675 a year Road Tax (WTF) Know a chap in London says he,s having a Landcruiser due to `theft effect on RR, he,s had Rangeys for over 30+ years...
I live in the USA (New Jersey, near NY City) and some used car lots are loaded with 7 + model year and older Land Rover brand models. LR has a terrible reputation here as to reliability, costly to get fixed, very few mechanics want to work on them. They also have a high theft rate, mainly to be exported to Africa, South America where few check on stolen vehicles being imported. That leads to also high insurance rates here. Many would rather by a somewhat more reliable M-B, BMW, Audi or better yet a Lexus, Toyota, or even Jeep models. I also suspect in the UK of the pollution based road taxes, usually very high for LR models is also a factor there.
If you live in New Jersey…sit on the dock of the Bay and keep a look out for British plates on flash motors..keep us posted me old china..they have those reputations in the UK but wealthy people dont care about ULEZ/CONGESTION CHARGES/ROAD TAX , THEFT/REPAIR BILLS/ ASTRONOMICAL INSURANCE BILLS ,because it indicates to all and sundry that you’re absolutely stashed….so buying a more reliable high end car indicates you’re watching your dollars and are having difficulties in your money department..M&B ? What a cheapskate..!,also the size of a Land ROver is always telling people you’ve arrived..and please move out of the way so i can get my car into this tiny space....Land Rovers always tailgate me..
I live on the outskirts of London and have a 2017 RR Sport that I love. It looks amazing and makes me feel good. However, yes the insurance is f**king high (and it'll be higher next time because I've stupidly managed to rack up a few penalty points recently). Also, I do indeed keep getting the DPF warnings that suggest it'll soon need a costly new DPF soon. Arrgh!
A DPF is basically a filter. They are "cleaned" during the regeneration cycle. If you're having issues it's usually caused by short journeys not allowing the regeneration to complete. A fault in the regeneration system (often a blocked vaporiser or bad glow plug) will also not allow a proper regeneration. Don't just change the DPF, it won't solve the issue.
Even insuring an older 2016 RRS worth only £21k costs at least £2k+. Anything worth £40k costs over £6k. Who's going to pay that?? Prices are going to continue to plummet!
Perhaps people have worked out that Range Rovers are overpriced crap. They spend more time in the workshop than on the road, they cost a fortune to maintain and of course they get stolen all the time. Personally I've given up on unreliable Range Rovers, but when I did own them I ALWAYS fitted aftermarket immobilisers and trackers.
The car is beautiful!! and 4x4 is the best on Range Rover and very nice to drive !! but … are very expensive … and they break down and the parts are very expensive!!!!!
People have FINALLY twigged that they are pointless! No one really needs or ever goes off road so why bother? Then there is the question of reliability, why bother with a vehicle that just can’t be trusted to get to the shops let alone some wilderness! Good riddance to bad rubbish..!!
Ive just done a quote for my 3.0 sport, im 51 3 years no claims and it was £850 and i had 4 quotes at that , also did a quote on my Alfa romeo Guilia 2.2 diesel and that was £600 so dont think unless you live in London or Manchester insurance isnt that bad
it's not prices plummeting, it's prices returning to normal pre pandemic.
lol that's funny
Had my sport stolen 2 years ago, police and insurance couldn’t give a toss
If all insurers got together and refused to insure them until they made them harder to nick they’d soon make them impregnable
I’ll never buy one again
They're just so bad, so easy to steal, so unreliable, high insurance costs, awful ingenium engine, poor mpg, so ridiculously expensive to repair and maintain...And not to mention some of the worst customer service from main Landover/Jaguar Dealerships I've ever had to deal with for my work and on behalf of customers, I've not heard one single JLR customer of ours who's ever been happy with their car or the main dealer never not once! No wonder they've tanked and so they should
Is this in the UK?
So unreliable? You mean for the new cars? The new Land Rover cars & Jaguars are pretty reliable
Edit: untagged the Channel's name, coz I added it by mistake!
They are no worse than any other car with loads of tech eg mercedes , BMW ect you are Mr doom
Have you ever owned one? I've had 6. None perfect but all brilliant to drive, great at what they do and none have been unreliable. Yes, they require maintenance but they're a complex beast. We commute, tow, explore. Have crossed deserts, rivers and glaciers and they take it all in their stride.
I don't what ranger rover you had, but my 3.00 diesel mhev velar 23 plate has been achieving 50 mpg on run ,46 mpg urban, city 32 mpg, Yes insurance has gone up, it has for every one .
A work colleague of mine treated himself to a nice mk 1 RR Sport V8 and had it for nearly 3 weeks before it was stolen. That was around a year ago now and I am beginning to think that the thieves have actually done him a favour in the long run.
Dropped 8k in value over 12 months. Sold after insurance premium doubled. 2015 RRS from new, no problem with it. Best car I ever owned. Sad to let it go.
Not just Land Rover products that have seen insurance premiums double.
Many other premium car owners have witnessed increased insurance premiums with some owners on forums reporting treble increases🤯
My old man has a 2019 p400 was 86k new. Just been quoted 75k to Change. 30k part ex 105k new car. And he paid 60k for it at the end of 3yr period.
Had nothing but trouble with it the whole time and it needs 3k parts on hybrid / battery unit.
My bmw lost over £1000 every month I had it.
This is what happened with Cosworths and insurance in the 90’s
I remember a report of a cosworth owner back in the day who, designed and fitted an electrical shock security device to stop it getting nicked !!
So, to summarise: The main issue causing the Range Rover market to crash is that most Range Rover owners can’t really afford to own a Range Rover. Living on the never-never in order to project an image of wealth that is exaggerated. Very 2023. And that most people who own Range Rovers live in areas where your cars get stolen. Bravo.
l think you are so right, society is living well above their means, why buy a £86,000 car, when you are only earning £30,000 a year?
How do you figure those who drive it are trying to project an image of wealth? Did you come up with that stat?
Do you even give credence to how the car makes them feel? Isn't that something a broke person would say? I would've never thought you'd drive a car to make people think you're wealthy rather than for how it makes you feel.
Are you just resentful of RR drivers and by extension, successful people? What you wrote says a lot about the society you live in and your upbringing, good sir. Not the owners.
@@brunoultra7215 that is what society is all about these days. Range Rovers used to be owned only by the people who could afford them. Nowadays almost anyone can buy one on finance. You sir, have incorrectly identified me as being jealous. I love Range Rovers. And I salute anyone who can genuinely afford to buy (and run) a nice one. But if you drive a car that cost you more than half your annual salary, then that’s how the situation described in this video comes about. Sounds more like you feel attacked personally by my comment. Not the intention at all.
If you can’t buy it outright, you can’t afford it. I can, but I’m not silly. Big finance payments are a mugs game. Crack on tho. 😂
Why buy one? at that cost. Lose at least half. On resale value after 3 years 😕
I have been looking to buy a 2018+ RR Sport from a LR dealer. I have watched some cars sitting in dealers since September and they have now reduced them by nearly £10,000. But I did check my insurance, and it is 3x more expensive than a few months ago.
Wow 3x in just a few months! 😮
When you say you checked your insurance, do you mean you checked how much it would cost to amend your current policy from the car you currently drive to a 2018+ RR Sport?
Did you not get some quotes from the various comparison sites?
@@electricbreeze No, I mean to renew my current policy on a 2014 Range Rover Sport 3.0V6 HSE, which is due in January
I suspect it will still be a lot cheaper than an EV in terms of insurance and depreciation
In the u.s. the interest rate is high here so many people aren't buying. So cars are sitting longer. Insurance here is based on the driver and their driving record and location.
Sounds like a perfect storm for prices. Unfortunately its set to continue, prices will fall untill customers are willing to buy and that is some way off
We shall see!
There is a reliability problem with these vehicles. I purchased a New 2017 RR Sport HSE SDV8. It averaged 3 visits to the dealer each year for the 6 years I owned it for DPF and Turbo issues. I purchased a 2023 Porsche Cayenne GTS Coupe, ordered it August last year and it arrived March this yer. Hasn't needed to go back to the dealership once. What a difference.
Let's see when you go back to your Porsche service department and find out how much your oil change, brake service etc will cost you on their intervals...😂😂😂 than come back and give IA a cost breakdown...
I think the fist service is free. I will let you know.@@smx3798
I don't need one. It's what I want.@@Barold138
I just got a quote for a Vogue 2010 120k full service history and in mint condition. Car is on a forecourt for just £6250 and admittedly I am 65 , retired and with full no claims and a clean license. Cheapest quote is only £440! Whats not to like? Going to wait another month and hopefully get a 2015 for the same price. Lets see......
Great price which insurance company?
I had the same problem in the late 80s when i had a Sierra Cosworth. Insurance went into orbit and too many restrictions so had to sell it in 89. As they were called Ford takeaways
They are a money pit when they go wrong, which is a guaranteed cert, that they will. Too heavily reliant on electronics !!!
Planned obsolescence is the biggest legalised global con trick known to mankind. Landrover products are the epitome of cooperates taking the piss.
What car isn't today?
@@MAS90525 Which is why I'm keeping my 2009 Hilux Vigo :)
You know nothing about range rovers talking like that you always get one don’t you 🤣
1 point is that the car insurance in UK went up about 100% on all cars - it’s not just Range Rover issue unfortunately
Why price went up 100%?
Agreed, but Range rovers have increased more than the typical car due to thefts.
@@blackdog-xc7oxgreedy insurers, who like oil companies and utility companies have a monopoly and have us over a barrel!
These insurance companies have a licence to print money!😤😡🤬
International business/ governments forcing people off the road. New EV world order. Limited travel ability. Carbon credit etc. Make ICE vehicles prohibitively expensive and offer tax credits for EV. Writings on the wall yall reading it?
Naah. Mine went up a couple of %, nothing like 100% 😂😂
My elderly father who usually gets super cheap insurance rates due to his age, area etc. has been given a quote for a facelift RR sport for £5k! Used to be ~ £1k
It’s mental!
It appears to me to mean that when you buy a Range Rover its not a matter of IF it is stolen but more of a WHEN it will be stolen.. this, together with the extortionate servicing costs, dodgy reliability and high insurance rates.. just steer clear of them..👍🏴
Makes me laugh when our insurers don't even discount when you tell them you have a good steering lock like a Disklok, yes a grinder can remove them but they are a great deterrent.
And owners can't be bothered using a steering lock if they value their cars too, but the Manufacturers are the ones to blame adding keyless entry and keyless locking who is that lazy they can't turn a key in a lock maybe.
Interesting topic. I have had Range Rovers for over 20 years and agree that the early ones had many problems however, I owned L322s for many years and am currently a RR Sport that has only received servicing in the 4 years owned. There have been reputational issues however, many of these are unfounded. ALL car insurance have gone up and the main issue is not RR being stolen it is the fact that in a crash electric cars are mostly written off. This has massively increased insurance costs across the board. We have 4 cars in our household, Fiesta, Golf, Discovery Sport and RR Sport. As a percentage increase, the Fiesta went up the most!
I know a JLR main dealer, one customer recently cancelled his order for a brand new RR because the best insurance quote was £25k!!!
I have seen a nice 2014 RR sport hse dynamic today 85.000 miles, usual extras, pan roof, heated and cooled seats, Hpi clear £18000
I had a 2014 HSE dynamic a few years back. Lovely cars to drive!
I've seen them go for quite alot less at Auction, I've seen as low as £13 grand at Aston Barclay Leeds on a 15plate , that's the Lowest when car has actually sold.
@@BuySellCarsTV yes when they are working properly
@@jeremywentworth1833 yeah this was quite low miles at 85k, and grey with a black roof and pan roof good colours
JLR are going to lose market share if they don't fit a fool proof immobiliser like Autowatch Ghost II during manufacture. It is a £500 cost. Why on earth JLR don't fit them or design one of their own is beyond me. I have one fitted to my Range Rover. It just makes sense
The Jaguar part of JLR is sinking because they make cars nobody wants. The Land Rover part of JLR is sinking because they make cars that everybody wants.
My insurance with NCB is 2300 a year for a Jazz and Polo in SW18, not just LR and RR. Also, if you have to finance your wheels, you can't afford the car in the first place.
One of the main things that make these easy to steal is the keyless entry. (they can take the signal from the key and unlock the car) If you disable this, than it makes it much harder to steal. If you live in a place where car theft isn't high than its a good deal.
Yep, disabled mine andnuse some old fashioned anti theft devices.
I live in a place where there is little car theft, my insurance quote on a RR -£4000 for the year.
@@boblargecock7724 I suspect after a year or 2 the insurance might reduce but who knows.
This definitely helps but there's at least 2 other popular ways to steal these that don't involve relaying the keyless signal.
You pretty much need a faraday blocker, Ghost immobilizer, some sort of steering wheel lock and a VHF tracker (standard GPS trackers are useless now that they bring blockers with them) to have a chance of keeper a Rangie for more than a year in some parts of the UK. Crazy.
Even the brand new ones are getting nicked because the CAN bus is not secured and is hidden behind plastic (JLR literally used plastic on certain body panels on a £100k+ car) in certain parts.
@@SeaJayBelfast yeah. I have heard that there is going to be some recall or something to fix the security on 2018 and newer cars. But the preventative measures you have advised are great.
South london, my insurance quote for a 2023 RR sport was £6.2k - crazy, i’m keeping my BMW IX
How much is the IX insurance to compare?
@@BuySellCarsTV£700 last year with £900 excess and £1K this year
Who steals them and why ? Parts, joyride, export ? Why is such an unreliable van in so much demand by thieves ?
Probably to get cheap spare parts
I love my 2013 Range Rover Sport HSE. However I do ALL maintenance myself. I did take it into an Independent shop to get the rear brakes seen to and they failed big time. They did point out a likely spot for wire corrosion so that was worth learning.
So I did the rear brakes myself with a good used control unit which is a real pain to replace.
I am currently replacing the head unit as it will not accept complete addresses. Not difficult at all. Also the rear hatch would not raise automatically however reseating the control module connectors solved that problem. Not bad for 8 years of ownership.
Insurance premiums are doubling for every car, not just RR. Sadly, there's loads of people moving right to the end of their budget and beyond to cut about in a RR. Doesn't take much to Jenga the finances, and it's the first thing to go. Market is flooded with them, but theft worries me, so i'd leave one well alone.
Most cars are not doubling insurance, it’s maybe 10% up for most cars. It’s just Land Rovers that have huge insurance increase as so easy to steal.
@@cp4512 I dunno. I have an Audi A3 and mine is doubling. My wife is doubling too and my daughter. Work mates checked theirs and it’s a similar story.
Just why would anyone buy this crap?? There's so much better quality vehicles out there which don't have the sigma and cheaper to insure. These Indian JLR products are toral rubbish..
2015-2023 have been recalled . Keyless updates to be done .
Great news the Chelsea tractors are a blight on local neighbourhoods
Too true. Hopefully the plight of these ugly status symbles will go the distance. Not a single person that has them needs them, Infact a small hatchback would suffice 99.9% of all Chelsea Tractor owners.
What about propensity to catch fire, i.e. Luton and Liverpool
Swinton insurance gave me a good price last week on my Defender and SVR. And I bought my 2023 Sport from auction 37k
Beautiful when working correctly, but unfortunately LR not addressing reliability issues that come with range rovers etc and prices new are silly plus now insurance going through the roof and repairs(which it will need at some point) cost £££££, I’ll stick with my 5 series touring
Great car that 5 series!
Simple RELIABILITY simple but true nothing to do with stealing
If their share of market has crashed, then come new year I can trade my year old Ranger rover in, and buy a cheap new one. So it is win , win for me.
Insurance is still the main problem.
Very interesting video, but I would have thought you could also mention the Ulez congestion and pollution charge problem in London and other big cities and people selling combustion engined vehicles and buying electric cars instead, particularly as the Chinese are producing masses of cheap very good electric vehicles now and pay zero road tax?
In general, Insurance prices are going up because of electric cars and the fact they are very expensive and can be uneconomical to repair if involved in an accidemt. Added to the fact that prestige cars are being stolen, it's no wonder insurance prices are going through the roof.
I remember doing a quote on a Tesla and nearly fainted
I sold my RR Sport due the increased insurance premiums and servicing costs.
It’s a shame as they are great cars to drive!
My town has several car dealerships. The JLR dealership has the largest garage with the most mechanics by far. They look like they are overworked. I cant help but imagine they are doing a lot of repair work.
I myself haven’t had major issues with LR, but it is a theme you hear over the years…
I think if you own one of these Rovers, better use it often, better yet as a daily. I noticed that those who use it frequently its as if its the everday “Corolla”, the lesser the problems are.
Best to live in it to stop it being stolen. If it does at least you will find out where the thieves live.
good video and interesting content has brought out all the RR knockers as usual, I love them best car most people will ever drive currently looking to upgrade can get a lot of motor for around 35k, live in Oxfordshire so the insurance is reasonable, I hope the prices keep falling.
They still seem to be dipping..
Yes, all those RR 'knockers' and EV 'haters'... that's what you're called nowadays when you state uncomfortable facts...
I had to cancel my order for a 2024 Range Rover Vogue SE because I could not get insurance living in North Yorkshire. Even Land Rover insurance refused to offer me cover. I ordered a new Audi Q7...insurance was not problem.
Such a shame, I love the new Range Rover!
just got a quote for a 19 plate RR Sport. Bearing in mind I pay £700 for the year on my 320d M Sport - Cheapest quote for the RR Sport was £4155
I set up a pin on my car. Won’t drive until pin. Wouldn’t that stop all these thefts?
Thanks for taking time to make this video
No problem!
The bit you didn’t mention these are the most unreliable cars on the road, and dealers are also having to deal with major parts shortages. So cars are off the road for months waiting for parts. I also heard 90 RangeRovers are being stolen a day in London alone. So I guess the upside is if yours is broken you can buy used parts from a freshly stolen one!
90 a day, WOW!
Indeed a pal of mine has a disco, it’s always in the garage, apparently the dealers are having to get parts off eBay. I have picked him up from there twice in the last few months.
Correction 90 stolen per week in London, which is 7x less bad!
Land rover insurance are refusing to insure their own cars now. Absolute madness 😂
I've just watched a auction upload a 17 plate evoque low ish miles no bids at 8500 wow
Which auction??
What Land Rover need to do is to recall every single vehicle and disable the stupid keyless entry system. Insurers should refuse to insure any vehicle with keyless. The situation would very soon change.
Easy to solve
Its not only RR but anything under the umbrella of Land Rover/Jaguar... I had a Freelander 2 2009 nothing spectacular ... Hastings refused to give me a quote. I initially thought something was wrong with my application but after attempts I remembered the stories going around on the forums and tried a 2009 Ford Smax with the same details...Instant quote!
Land Rover screwed up and screwed their customers over with their slipshod slack security. Reminds me of Mercedes with their cost-cutting in the early 2000's that led to the rust scandals and took them years to claw their way back to some respect but never the same...
JLR the manufacturer have been told again and again over years by the insurance companies but refuse to fix the keyless theft issues. The dealers are having to fix it at their own cost
The Range Rover is considered to have some drawbacks when it comes to its performance as a 4x4 vehicle. Its reliability has been a concern for many, and there have been reports of issues with its manufacturing process in India. The quality of the vehicle may not always match the price paid, which can be disappointing.
That's putting it mildly! They consistently come last in all reliability surveys and have enormous engine and electrical issues. Basically they're over-priced, over-weight, over-large crap.
Let’s be honest, these are 4x4 in name only. Most never see so much as a blade of grass and spend most of their lives on the school run.
hmmm you need to educate yourself a bit !!
The Sun constantly flashing isn't annoying at all
Second hand market is the same with many vehicles dropping in price, it's not complicated. I don't think it's anything to do with theft. Whenever there's a financial crisis, luxury goods are the first to see sales slow down and people are not going to buy them. With the Range Rover, they're expensive to run and people who buy older ones in many cases can't really afford to run them anyway. So as soon as prices start going up they start looking for cheaper cars to run. But are they struggling? JLR recently posted their best financial results ever, so frankly I'd take all this with a pinch of salt because they're clearly selling them.
My theory is the Insurance premiums will now start to fall 2 main reasons 1 As the values plummet so so does the cost of payouts should your Range Rover get stolen ie less risk 2.if the values plummet they become less desirable to the thieves re Risk and Reward. Anyway that's my theory
But from an insurance companies perspective it’s still a high risk vehicle, a payout is still a payout?
Yes makes sense.
Their value isnt decreasing where the cars are going. They are not being stolen in the UK to be sold in the UK, they are going Africa most of the time.
Maybe but the Insurance premiums are based on payout values in the UK @@InspirationalMagic
No insurance will increase until the security issues are fixed
How can you not of known this? Fuel, insurance, ulez, people now want hybrid and electric
I am on my 2nd Landrover (RRS ) live in London ( therefore a must for shopping) and never stolen 😎
Great but wait when you want to insure it and or sell it
Seen RR Velar’s 180 bhp on Auto Trader as ins group 31E.
My A5 cabriolet is ins group 29E!!
5.20 For context, how much were they originally or how much should they be without the current economic crisis/thefts?
Check out from 6:37
OMG - This was made before the recent Jaguar DEI commercial that featured no cars and put the final nail in the coffin for the brand. Until now, most people did not know Range Rover was a Jag brand.
Who on earth will pay 12k for a range over 100k miles ? Must be mad
Would you ever do a video on trade insurance?
What would you need to know?
@@BuySellCarsTV
Can anyone get a trade insurance
Do you have to insure every car
Fees etc...
They’re all at a mileage when they start falling to bits! Had two and both were money pits
I’m annoyed, my supercharged Mercedes SLK’s insurance quote is going up from £240 to £340, fully comp and protected no claims bonus! It’s ULEZ compliant, by the way!
Bargain compared to a Range!
Land Rover have closed their insurance service
Not surprised even getting a tow bar is mental prices
Wow! lucky people. Come here to TAX on everything Ireland. The prices of Range Rovers are higher than Everest here. By the way they are class machines.
Hello, good informative video. I purchased a Used Landrover Discovery Sport HSE in August 2022- on PCP for £30k. I went to the used car dealership today (18months) from when I purchased this, they've now informed me the car is only worth £15k approx 23k mileage on the clock. Do you have any advice how I could shift this car without taking too much of a hit? Would you know if the prices are likely to stablelise and likely to increase in the next few months. Sorry for all the questions, I'm just struggling to know what to do with it and any advice is appreciated.
Your best bet depending on your PCP term is to probably keep it as when the contract finishes, if you are still in negativity equity you can just give the keys back and walk away, let the finance company swallow the cost.
Apparently Land Rover are doing a security software update.
Only to certain models from 2018 and upwards.
That won't change insurance premium
Well i am in a better situation, operating in New Zealand, low car theft. low insurance, my 2013Autobiography i purchased 3 years old from UK Vat declared, so perhaps the time to look again.
I can see NZ buyers bidding for British RRs and importing them.
Not wrong mate, video nails it!
Thanks!
The manufacturers are to blame, they are so easy to steal. For the cost brand new do not buy them.
Hopefully this will also lead to cheap prices of engine donor vechicles, as I can't wait for my TDV6 3.0 to snap that crankshaft one day!
😂 hopefully your crankshaft has a long life
@@BuySellCarsTV I pray every day 🙏😅
This is all over you tube but I’d like to know where the prices have dropped as the ones I’ve seen are still very high. Seems to me that dealers are buying cheap but not passing that on with the sale price.
In time they will have no choice as stock isn’t selling
Yet. Dealers may be toughing it it out for now but they have to pay bank interest on inventory. When stock starts to grow grass under them watch for the fire sale!
A friend’s LR Defender . 71 plate was so unreliable that LR gave the customer a replacement vehicle , a 23 plate . This has now been off the road for 5 months due to the gearbox putting the vehicle into limp mode . Faulty sensor but no parts. So they now in a borrowed Defender from the dealer . Who want it back. Cant make it up . But LR Defenders still sell new like hot cales😂
stay well away if you want a reliable vehicle. I've been a mechanic for 24 years now and these are by far the most common car we work on. They are built very poorly, all models including the SVR and higher ups. They are in my opinion designed to fail, using far too many cheap plastic parts which perish very quickly and leave the owners with huge bills, even when well maintained.
but these clowns keep buying them
The phycology of it interests me, I drive a 98 jeep zj with a dent in the back door ( because it wouldn't open without force ) and people think I'm poor or insignificant etc however if I rented a range rover and plonked it on my drive I will achieve new found admiration and appear to have arrived, have more followers on insta I'm now successful soo as long as I can pay the monthlys and it's covered by warranty I can fake my success......is that why? do you think? ....
Do you have an Idea why JLR ruins their Image with such a bad Reputation, anstead of rising up quality?
Just had my insurance renewal on my RR Velar and it’s more than doubled. 😡
It’s chaos!
If you can steal a Bentley in seconds then any car is at risk. LR are being targeted more because they are desirable and a status symbol. Insurance companies are just cashing in nothing more, that said it’s all a scam from purchase to maintenance to insuring to sale.
Love my 4.4 L322....Snag is £675 a year Road Tax (WTF) Know a chap in London says he,s having a Landcruiser due to `theft effect on RR, he,s had Rangeys for over 30+ years...
People will need to identify a better car to pay a fortune for, to impress people they dont even know or like... Madness.
I live in the USA (New Jersey, near NY City) and some used car lots are loaded with 7 + model year and older Land Rover brand models. LR has a terrible reputation here as to reliability, costly to get fixed, very few mechanics want to work on them. They also have a high theft rate, mainly to be exported to Africa, South America where few check on stolen vehicles being imported. That leads to also high insurance rates here. Many would rather by a somewhat more reliable M-B, BMW, Audi or better yet a Lexus, Toyota, or even Jeep models. I also suspect in the UK of the pollution based road taxes, usually very high for LR models is also a factor there.
Very interesting insight from that part of the world!
If you live in New Jersey…sit on the dock of the Bay and keep a look out for British plates on flash motors..keep us posted me old china..they have those reputations in the UK but wealthy people dont care about ULEZ/CONGESTION CHARGES/ROAD TAX , THEFT/REPAIR BILLS/ ASTRONOMICAL INSURANCE BILLS ,because it indicates to all and sundry that you’re absolutely stashed….so buying a more reliable high end car indicates you’re watching your dollars and are having difficulties in your money department..M&B ? What a cheapskate..!,also the size of a Land ROver is always telling people you’ve arrived..and please move out of the way so i can get my car into this tiny space....Land Rovers always tailgate me..
I live on the outskirts of London and have a 2017 RR Sport that I love. It looks amazing and makes me feel good. However, yes the insurance is f**king high (and it'll be higher next time because I've stupidly managed to rack up a few penalty points recently). Also, I do indeed keep getting the DPF warnings that suggest it'll soon need a costly new DPF soon. Arrgh!
I had a DPF light once, the just car needs a few good long drives. If you live in London and only drive local the DPF doesn’t like that.
A DPF is basically a filter. They are "cleaned" during the regeneration cycle. If you're having issues it's usually caused by short journeys not allowing the regeneration to complete. A fault in the regeneration system (often a blocked vaporiser or bad glow plug) will also not allow a proper regeneration. Don't just change the DPF, it won't solve the issue.
Use shell premium diesel. Can help DPF problems.
make sure to get a ghost immobiliser for it theyre about 500 but worth it because stolen all the time bud
Even insuring an older 2016 RRS worth only £21k costs at least £2k+. Anything worth £40k costs over £6k. Who's going to pay that?? Prices are going to continue to plummet!
Perhaps people have worked out that Range Rovers are overpriced crap. They spend more time in the workshop than on the road, they cost a fortune to maintain and of course they get stolen all the time. Personally I've given up on unreliable Range Rovers, but when I did own them I ALWAYS fitted aftermarket immobilisers and trackers.
Are they ulez compliant for London folk?
Who cares about ulez, you probably don't know how to get round it!
What is the auction site being referred to?
BCA
Thanks. Great vids 👍
The car is beautiful!! and 4x4 is the best on Range Rover and very nice to drive !! but … are very expensive … and they break down and the parts are very expensive!!!!!
People have FINALLY twigged that they are pointless! No one really needs or ever goes off road so why bother? Then there is the question of reliability, why bother with a vehicle that just can’t be trusted to get to the shops let alone some wilderness! Good riddance to bad rubbish..!!
Frankly if you can't afford a second hand range rover without a loan, then buy something else, you can't afford it.
We know a few that have been stolen, but not just that, we also know of a few locals needing new engines
fit a switch on the starter motor small wire hide the switch in the car 5 sec more to start the car cant push a 3 tonne car away
What do you thinking of buying a Tesla model S 2016+ in the current climate. Will they drop any more?
Hard to predict, but they already are so cheap! How much lower can they go!? Maybe a slight decrease but I think the heavy drop is done..
@@BuySellCarsTV great motors some with free supercharging, any advice on them pal?
Put a good steering lock on it,drive carefully and buy third party insurance..
When we were poor tpft or just tp was available to us , we certainly made sure nothing went missing and we didn't carelessly have a crash
I've been looking at buying a Toyota aygo on cazoo and cinch ...they are roughly the same price as a land rover.....WWHAAAAAAAT !!!
High demand for those small economical new cars!
Ive just done a quote for my 3.0 sport, im 51 3 years no claims and it was £850 and i had 4 quotes at that , also did a quote on my Alfa romeo Guilia 2.2 diesel and that was £600 so dont think unless you live in London or Manchester insurance isnt that bad
This day and age is crazy 10 years ago the car market was booming
Not watched fully at all but the theft and insurance are the issues
My 14 plate rrs autobiography premium has gone up £200 bridgnorth area. ghost fitted makes no difference to premium.
I ride a 2007 Suzuki 1255cc Bandit. Fully comp insurance, clean license, 100 Quid per year. LOL.
It’s probably more expensive to walk 😂