In the poem Odysseus actually warned all the women in the house to stay in their rooms during the battle, so they don't have to witness the slaughter and don't get into the crossfire. Also he bathed himself and ordered the servants to clean the house, before going to Penelope, because there was blood everywhere.
Maybe my last round of fun facts. Strap in: *The Challenge* - Penelope has been weaving that shroud for years. Finally, she’s decided to give them a challenge, knowing they can’t accomplish it. There are different versions of how the bow is made/enchanted, but the gist is that only Odysseus can string it. Her line “I’d rather die than grow old without the best of you”, at first, sounds like it might mean she’d rather die than marry someone who can’t match her husband, but no. She’s saying, “Only my husband can do this. I’d rather die than marry one of you.” Spartan badass is a badass. And hearing _them_ sing Penelope, when we’d previously only heard Odysseus sing her name in love and longing for her. (Minus Zeus’ choir from the beginning). It really pulls at the heartstrings, but also does a good job indicating how much pressure they are putting on her to choose. Hold Them Down - in Ancient Greece, not having a body to bury is one of the worst things you could do. Having no body to find, meant Telemachus wouldn’t be able to pass into the afterlife. They wanted to ensure he would _never_ be able to rest, even in death. While Antinous is singing about what he’ll do to Penelope, you can hear her instrument screaming in the background. *Odysseus* - “Polyphemus”, “Scylla”, “Charybdis”, all the monsters he faced. The king came home and slaughtered just as they had. There are several references in the song. They’re chanting his name in the background in the same way Polyphemus’ name had been chanted, but it’s also a throwback to the souls’ chants in No Longer You. We also finally get Tiresias’ final prophecy- “kill all the suitors for love). Other references, we obviously have Scylla for the torches. The “No” after that suitor asked for mercy is a reference to Odysseus asking Poseidon for mercy during Get in the Water, and he also replied with a cold “No”. When Telemachus first arrives we can hear a Quick Thought, our first hint that Athena is still alive. Each of his blade strikes/blocks beat to motifs- Little Wolf, Legendary, Warrior of the mind, then Odysseus’ theme. *I Can’t Help but Wonder* - “if I have your strength in me.” “The strength you hold within.” Odysseus told Telemachus he doesn’t need _his strength,_ because Telemachus has become a strong young man during his absence. “Capture wind and sky for you”, in a way he did with Aeolus and the storm. Odysseus sensing Athena was there showed just how close they had been. He knew she was watching without even seeing her. In the end, though, different tunes play as they part to show their mindset. Athena has Warrior of the Mind, and Odysseus has Penelope’s theme. Would You Fall in Love with Me Again - he said “waiting for love”, not “waiting for me”. Odysseus knew there was a chance she wouldn’t accept him after everything. You can hear Poseidon’s trumpets/theme of “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves” in the background when he says “left a trail of red on every island”. At trader friends like objects I could use”, we hear Zeus’ theme. The olive bed is the heart of the house. Odysseus met Penelope there, then built his entire palace around what he made for her. When she asked him to move it not only was it a test to see if he _knew that,_ but also if he was willing to literally uproot the start of their journey. The monster rises, his rage bubbling when she asked, but Penelope didn’t recoil. Our legend not only accepted him, but she _met him_ on the monster’s level. Odysseus was her husband, and he returned. Odysseus’ first words in the series are battle commands. His final are telling Penelope how much he loves her. WYFILWMA has _beautiful_ livestream animation, Hold Them Down has a great end scene, and ‘Odysseus’ is insane, as well. The Challenge is really the only one that doesn’t have an animatic, just one beautiful drawing of Penelope looking longingly at the viewer. I can’t recommend and praise the livestream versions of each song more.
The first and final lines of Epic are kinda symbolic in a way: "Alright my brothers listen closely... I love you." It's obvious that Odysseus cared for and loved his crew and is haunted by their deaths throughout the musical, so those lines reinforce that idea.
Bro your animatic for The Underworld and Will You Fall in Love With Me, are my favorites of yours (also the definitive versions of those songs for me good flipping job my guy)
You might have my favorite version of that scene. You really nailed that it wasn’t just a test, it was her proving to him that he was STILL that man. ❤️
Hear me out, the open arms philosophy wasn't lost in Monster, and it wasn't lost in Scylla or Thunderbringer. After everything Ody went through, when he finally faced Poseidon again, he still tried to use open arms to appeal to Poseidon during Get in the Water. But when he's drowning and saw Polites one last time, and he sings "you can relax my friend" instead, this is where Open Arms dies, and Ody has truly become the monster.
It's also where Ody dies. "I see you on the brink of death, I see you draw your final breath, I see a man who gets to make it home alive" He dies, and the monster lives. From 600 Strike onward, he even has the chorus that supernatural elements in the musical can call upon.
I also think that the moment in the water is when he gets a new patron god. Cuz he and Athena broke up, but he needed another god's help. So I think Ares, the more ruthless and bloody minded god of war took Ody under his wing because he wanted to see/be part of the suitor massacre. So not only his minset, but his faith changed.
1:13:55 btw, Telemachus’s voice actor was actual singing along with Penelope here but he was a lot quieter cause Odyssey didn’t know what his voice sounded like, they tried to hide it in order to reveal it in the later saga so they changed his name in the Spotify thing 😭
@drawverartcreations it was Miguel Veloso, which lowkey I'm thinking they used his actaul real life name since he is only known on the Internet as mico
@@drawverartcreations Mico wanted to separated his artist career with his involvement with epic so they credit him with his legal name Miguel Veloso in every Epic song.
In Ximena’s she put references to The Odyssey. She drew Odysseus being recognized by his nurse, highlighting the scar that gave him away. When she came over and touched his shoulder, in The Odyssey, Odysseus told her to get the women away because he was about to _slaughter._
3:44:03 She's referring to the storm she saw _last night,_ while her husband was out delivering 600 strikes to Poseidon. She's not still thinking of the storm 10 years ago when the bag first opened.
37:38 in the Odyssey, Odysseus and his men fight a battle and raid a village after leaving Troy where Odysseus spares a priest of Apollo and his family and the priest thanks him with divine wine. This whole thing wasn’t included in Epic, likely for character and story reasons, but this is why Odysseus just has “the worlds best tasting wine” on him
Your ICHBW and WYFILWMA animatics are so good, especially for coming out so soon after the saga, the expressions on Telemachus and Penelope are perfect!
Character instruments that I know of: Ody: guitar Athena: piano Penelope: viola hermes: harp/lyre Eurylucus: the crew Polites: kalima/marimba Aeolus: wind chimes/ flute Posiedon: trumpet Calypso: steel pan Circe: strings with a bass kick Telemachus: stringed instruments like his parents and indie piano
My friend, you have to know something. The full version of canon Dangerous isn’t in. You… my friend. In your own time or however you want, you _have_ to see the full canon one. Hermes was killing it on a level I can’t even tell you 😂
I didn't see anyone comment this but in the original Odyssey Ody was buck naked slaughtering the suitors. Imagine this terrifying demon of a man with his jibbly bits out slaughtering everyone. Horrifying. I really liked how Telemachus is the one who left the weapons door unlocked, I can only imagine Ody hearing the suitors and just going "shit shit shit", the first time he's ever had to clean up after his kid. In the original Odyssey Athena convinces the gods to hold off the dawn so Ody & Penelope can have a longer time reuniting, Penelope also does the bed test to make sure it wasn't Zeus in disguise because he do like to be dressing himself up and sleeping with people's wives. If you haven't I highly highly recommend watching the live stream, it had such funny moments with all the cast and crew. You also get to watch their first time reactions to the Ithica saga (disgust and tears) which is priceless.
also re: the livestream, it's abundantly obvious that Mason has for sure listened to Vengeance but not watched it and his reactions are HILARIOUS, highly recommend
It's not just Athena. Every Greek Goddess is a bonafide badass. Hell, Aphrodite was originally adapted into the Greek Pantheon from Ishtar as a Goddess of Love AND WAR, iirc, so she's a badass not just twice but THRICE over.
2:45:08 The reason it feels like Hercules is because Hercules is a Disney movie and Legendary is quite literally an I Want Song. An I Want Song is something that a whole bunch of Disney (and stuff like it) musicals have where the main character basically sings about what they want. For Hercules it’s “Go The Distance” Fun fact, this is what the Disney Princess allegations came from
3:48:00 I haven't seen anyone say this yet, so, I might as well say it Odysseus' bow was a "palintonos bow", which means "bent or stretched backwards". Alot of strength has to be put into it to bend the bow to the correct shape when strung, since it's usual shape is more of a "C" when unstrung, instead of just being completely straight when unstrung like normal longbows
The exact amount varies as well but the version I read mentioned the draw was roughly 300 lbs. I'm sure it was exaggerated but the point was it was a type of bow that only a warrior would know how to string and fire, whereas all the suitors were not warriors in any stretch of the word.
Correct, if the storm wasn't bagged, then Ody could not make it home even following all the rest of the instructions. As for why it has to be given to Ody to hold onto, it has to be a test, a game. The gods don't ever just solve things for heroes. They wouldn't hold onto the bag for him, and any mortal who found the bag would have their first instinct to check inside, except for the one mortal who knows what is inside, and has every reason to never open it: Odysseus.
in terms of the bow being "impossible", it's two things; one it's been made by heracles as a tutoring bow and so requires at least some degree of demigod strength. Two, it's a palintonos, or old greecian recurve bow (a bow that curves forward of the bowman's grip at rest and needs to be pulled back when strung), and those were rare back then. Recurves require technique to successfully string it, on top of strength. Fitting for a greecian hero of wit and his witty wife's challenge
@@icemagiciangh thank you, I just wished I had noticed the audio failure before uploading it, but besides that, it absolutelly the video I'm most proud of right now and I love reading peoples reactions to it jsjsj
58:59 So, the 2 years later part is ASSUMED by the creator of that video, as Circe Saga takes place immediately after Ocean Saga and in There Are Other Ways Odysseus says it has been ‘12 long years’ rather than ten. However, Jorge himself has said that line was a mistake and in canon it’s still been ten.
Yes and in Get In The Water Odysseus confirms that its been 10 years since The Ocean Saga, the only time the 2-3 time skip could be is either between Circe and Underworld or Underworld and Thunder
The reason Hera agreed to release Odysseus was because she's Zeus' wife and as you said, Zeus fucks... Also lot of reactors seem to be confused about how Odysseus' sword can damage Poseidon but like he's still flesh(?)... Immortal doesn't necessarily equal invulnerable. I would assume getting stabbed would hurt regardless of whether or not you can die to it xd
Yep, the storm from the Ocean Saga is only there because Odysseus told the cyclops he's from Ithaca. Poseidon knew that was the island where he was going, so he summoned a big storm around it to keep him away and hopefully kill him
I recommend checking the livestream for the Ithica Saga too, they went all out with the animatics there. Specially on the last song with Gigi's animation made it so much more impactful. The animatic here is also really good though
4:07:45 From the beginning, we saw both Odysseus and Athena clearly; despite being similarly intelligent and strategic, their core drives are very different. Odysseus, at first, wanted a friend and then his goal is his family. Athena wanted to change the world, in her mind it required a Warrior of the Mind unlike any other. Odysseus never cared about changing the world, and Athena didn't understand Odysseus wanting to show mercy or empathy at first. Now, years later...they're still who they are at their core: Odysseus only cares about his family, Athena still wants to change the world, they're just older and wiser now. And they understand each other at last which is why he says she can make her vision of the world come true, and she smiles and bids him farewell with the "My Goodbye" tune at the end of that song so he can go see his wife because she knows that's all he wants.
Wait so.. youre re listening to the entire musical before listening to the last saga? wtf. THANK YOU SO MUCH! So many people listen to it once during their reaction and forget so much. This is awesome! youre awesome.
2:31:55 the sun god in the Odyssey is Helios, the reason Zeus comes down to deal with odyseus instead of helios is because Helios is constantly moving the sun through the sky and Zeus is also the god of justice in greek mythology so when Helios threatens to put the sun in the underworld and never let the living see it again, Zeus goes down and punishes Odysseus in his stead
3:28:20 , Hi so, the reason he has to have the windbag is because Aeolus agreed to hold the storm so long as Odysseus keeps the windbag closed. The stipulation is likely he has to keep the windbag on him and just not open it (or the storm is released), so to honor his deal, he has to do that.
To my knowledge, most interpretations of Antinous put him somewhere within 5 to 10 years older than Telemachus, cuz in the OG Odyssey he was able to remember seeing Ody go off to war. So he'd need to be old enough to form and retain such a memory.
Odysseus also remembers holding Antinous as an infant too (because he saves his dad from getting killed) so he can't have been that much older than Telemachus. Most of the suitors are young, and are from Ithaca or surrounding areas (some are even kids of Odysseus' men) and idk why so many people think that they are all old.
@ApartDragonFruit Because most people would expect the Suitors to be close to the same age as her and Ody since that's the typical relationship philosophy. You don't expect a woman in... What, her mid 40s to lose her husband and then marry a 20 year old, do you? So most people just assume they're around her age instead of remembering that this is a story written over a thousand years ago.
9:38 Narrator voice: *it was indeed, four hours* 2:57:55 To answer your question, Athena's philosophy is being smart about things, especially conflict. It's either you avoid the fight or you win it completely. Ody failed because a) he didn't finish an enemy that would very much go after him and his men if given the opportunity and b) after escaping his foe, he gave his name when he could've left quietly and the ciclop would've never figured it out his identity. He failed her test and defied her only to do things halfheartedly leading to problems down the line. That's not being smart, and Athena hated seeing him shoot himself in the foot when she knows how capable he is, but he was struck with grief and made an irrational choice that fucked him over. She says "One day you'll understand [her teachings/philosophy]" and he does by the end of the saga, but he had to suffer to do so. 3:33:18 I fucking CACKLED 😂 There's a good animation where Ody uses the wind to cause some sort of tornado to throws rocks at Poseidon, that's my favorite depiction of the fight
Your second point is mine exactly! Especially with monsters, which have dubiously defined durability and mortality, *not* killing the cyclops is a recipe for disaster. As she says, "He's still a threat until he's dead!" But also, Athena is about structured combat and strategy, whereas Ares is about violent combat and carnage. Crippling a foe like Ody did to Polyphemus and then not putting him out of his misery is cruelty and half-assed cruelty at that, which is not Athena's path at all.
1:06:54 all this time and you still cant say his name huh😂😂😂 Eurylochus' intrument is the voice of the crew. He doesn't have a traditional instrument, but rather because hes second in command he speaks for the rest of Odys men, thus the backing vocals are his 'instrument'
Worlds best tasting wine: in the original Odyssey Odysseus gets the cyclopse drunk off his ass with unmixed (basically really strong) wine (no lotuses involved). He spins this whole story about how this is the rarest bestest wine in the world that was personally given to him by a priest at a famous shrine, and the wine is so exclusive that even the regular servants at this shrine didn't know it existed. Original Odysseus is kind of a pathological lair tbh. So in all likelihood its just regular ass wine. I do really love that Jorge makes reference to the original story though!
@@Kirachan3 I mean okay, but in that case he may not have met the cyclops at all, we have to accept his narrative somewhat to even discuss the story. He tells the story of the island of the Cicones before he meets the cyclops, it's not like that's where we first learn about the story.
For the record I think the evidence that Odysseus is stretching the truth here is pretty strong. For one thing, why is he the one who objects to stealing the cyclops' things when he had no issue sacking the island of the Cicones earlier? In the story of Circe, why does he stay with Circe for an entire extra year until his men beg him to ask Circe to leave? I suspect the truth is that they really were trying to steal from the cyclops and he got caught. But in the version of the story he cooked up later, it was his men who wanted to steal but poor little Odysseus, such a good and noble person, opposed the idea when the evil cyclops attacked him.
3:48:06 - I think others have noted it, but Odysseus used a type of bow that was very rare to Greece and so many were unfamiliar with it. His bow was recurved the other direction, and so while it was resting unstrung, it was curved still instead of straighter like many bows of the day. So it was both knowledge only Odysseus would have, and it was also incredibly hard to string anyway to fight against the bow's natural curve
I’m not sure who put all of that together, but canon visuals are sprinkled in. I sadly can’t go line by line to tell you which are official, but during ‘Little Wolf’ when Athena pulls Telemachus into a Quick Thought that’s the canon design of that mind scape. A lot from the Wisdom Saga are canon bits, including the lightning strike, him on the cliff and a lot of God Games. The canon for Little Wolf is in a video game style, though.
The armguards weren't canon to EPIC, but they were basically a symbol of Athena, proof of his ability and his identity as her student, by taking them off let alone destroying them he was renouncing her as his mentor. Also, destroying a gift was seen as a huge slight against the gifted so he did it to hurt her too.
1:06:54 I've heard it suggested that Eury's instrument is the crew - the choir - and I particularly love the detail that more and more of the crew speak up with him as the song goes on as he shares his doubts, demonstrating how he's seeding those doubts amongst them, wittingly or otherwise
Poseidon in Ruthlessness was literally like a parent who is mad that his son got beaten up by Odysseus he is literally like a dad whose little son got hit by some other kid and he can go that far to even traumatise the kid for hurting his son omg
Best yet, Ody killing all the suitor is not only justified, but ENCOURAGED by Zeus. The Suitors effectively have been bumming around his castle while he was away for years, and have basically been abusing the Laws of Hospitality to do whatever they want, but by planning ill will against their hosts effectively brought divine retribution upon themselves, in the form of Odysseus. God sanctioned murder spree with no repercussions are rare in Greek myth due to how sacred treating one's guests is supposed to be but the story is effectively a good reason why Guests should be kind to their hosts as well, parable style.
Right, didn't some of the families of the suitors attempt to come after Odysseus only to get lightning struck near their forces as a sign from Zeus like, "Back off"? I could be wrong, though. 😅
The reason that Odysseus had such a hard time killing the Cyclops is because Polites had such an everlasting effect on him, and so do many others. Odysseus also has an effect on Athena. I love this musical so much 🫶
Oohh sick this video has the canon animatics and such in there too! Nice! For reference, the canon animatics are (usually) the ones that are fully colored. 44:28 break your heart some more Matt, that one is canon. His body rolling infront of him
2:31:55 Helios. And he is kinda more powerful since the whole reason Zeus was sent in the first place was because Helios threatened to take the sun into the underworld lol Edit: He's not the God of LIghtning so much as the God of the Sky and Heavens and the "God King".
3:34:27 ı think poseidon didnt push him to water because zeus agreed him to go home so he couldnt kill ody directly but if ody somehow drowns it wouldnt be his fault(sorry for my poor english. ....)
I didn't think about that but I always thought poseidon was just a prideful man and he could have easily done it but want to have odyessues to suffer more.
Im leaving another comment bc i can. I agree the one downfall of that compliation is not giving a small indication on who did what part. BUT i can also see why they cose not to since i noticed they like to edit two or more animations into each other so labeling might have gotten confusing. That being said, im glad im watching this cus im seen animatics from ppl i didnt know made animatics for certain songs. Like, i did not know Wolfy made a Polyphemus animatic but i recognized their style Edit: WOLFY DID A SURVIVE ANIMATIC TOO??? WOLFY ARE YOU HIDING FROM ME??
AHHHH!!! I’ve been ✨waaaaaiting✨ for the Ithaca Saga reaction but THIS IS SUCH A TREAT! I’m so excited for this thank you for doing a full listen through I love that this was the route you decided to take!
2:14:19 The thing you're referring to is called a lure, which is a delightfully fitting piece of fish anatomy for sirens to have, since that's what they do. And also, on angler fish, the light is not so that the angler can see, but to draw in the angler's prey close enough to eat, since you seemed confused about its function on regular fish.
Telemachus'es "diplomatic mission" was actually him going to find some info about Odysseus whereabouts! In the book he met some neighboring kings, who also fought in the Trojan war alonside Odysseus, and they told him some cool war stories about his dad.
And further explain the diplomatic mission Athena sent him to visited Nestor and Menalaus to figure out what happened to Odysseus Athena knew nothing would happen to Penelope but she didn't want Telemachus getting killed so she timed it so that he'd arrive back after Odysseus did so they met at the beach and the plan to kill the suitors was planned once he got back
it was very common in the past to carry wine instead of water for hydration, though 'world's finest' may have been an embellishment. it's also possible they looted some fine wines from troy before they headed home. i assume they would carry beeswax on ships as a sealant for leaks and such. it's not an underwater fight but DuvetBox's 600 Strike animatic has a more... grounded fight sequence.
3:04:00 - She didnt prevented him to leave, the island is prison of the gods, but she did kept him there because she didnt let him delete himself, at least as per some of the original versions. In the musical is not clear that she did either of the two, but i believe that was the second one. 3:18:00 - well, she did humuliated him in front of everyone by stating that a mortal is more loyal them him to his own wife, the goddess of marriage. 3:21:00 - in the myth she was imprisoned right after the war between gods and titans because she sided with her father atlas, if im not mistaken, the titan sentenced to hold the sky. which was ages ago. but maybe alone for so long, she didnt get the passage of time. which makes it even more sad in my option, she is alone for so long that she doest know how long have been.
So happy for your reactions to Epic the Musical, I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'm a bit sad you didn't get to see the official livestream for The Ithaca Saga like you did for the Vengeance Saga but that's just my preference. For me, the musical begins and ends with Gigi animatics (yes, Gigi made an animatic for the end of Would You Fall in Love with Me Again and yes it is gorgeous and I enjoyed sobbing to it very much)
1:59:55 The beat there is a waltz. I could be wrong but I think watzls are used in carousels sometimes, or else use a similar staccato notes. On this note, there is a partial animatic of just that section of the scene as a waltz that I really enjoy and would recommend just for fun
3:04:57 Something don't think you noticed, Calypso ends her verse with "stay in my open arms," directly followed by Polites singing his song, "this life is amazing, when you greet it with open arms." It only hardens the fact that her life became amazing, now that she has a worldwith him, even if he doesnt love her back.
In Six hundred strike I don’t mind the jet pack idea but one of the animatics I watched have him using the wind to cut up Poseidon and that’s definitely my preferred use of the bag. Everyone does such a great job with their own interpretations of the events though!
The bow has an insane draw weight, Odysseus is just that guy, in the Odyssey he's was stronger than a normal human. But it"s not just this, there's also a trick to string the bow properly that only him knows. They had no chance
Calypso's island is her prison, she was banished there because she sided with her Titan father, (Atlas?). The gods like to mess with her by having people wash ashore from time to time. She's a tragic character but still horrible.
As much as I love the animatics, I cannot wait for you to react to the stream version for all of the sagas as it brings so much silliness to most of the previous sagas and brings so much movement (and extra information) in the Ithaca saga!
A note regarding love in the Greek world! You said Athena loved Odysseus, and she absolutely did! You also said "not love, love", which is where Greek ideals of love become very awesome. The Greeks of yesteryear (and even to a certain extent of current times) had multiple words for love that spanned love for family, love for your children, love for friends, love for comrades in war, love for strangers, and romantic love, just to name a few. She likely had a combination of philia - a platonic form of love for family/close friends - and pragma - a form of love between those with shared values and senses of duty!
Fun fact about Odysseus' massacre! In the original livestream of the release of the Ithaca Saga, there was a subtitle for the animatic that said the Final Boss of Epic is Odysseus. That's why there's a choir in the background chanting his name in the traditional Greek pronunciation, and why there are flashes of Poseidon and other villains over himself; he truly embraced the monster within!
2:09:54 I heard a comment theorize that because all sirens are female, that was actually a young siren that siren Penelope pulled up. 2:12:42 Apparently it’s not the fact that Poseidon is scared of Scylla, but the fact that Charybdis is Poseidon’s daughter turned monster, and he hates seeing her like that.
did i just spend 4 hours of my most precious time watching a guy yapping about some 2h30ish musical ??? hell yeah i did and it was worth it, this crazy but it felt like one hour only!
Fun Fact about Penelope's challenge to the suitors! First, in the song The Challenge, she's talking about the storm that Ody unleashed while fighting Poseidon, so this is in the present time. Secondly, Odysseus was said to wield a palintonos bow, which is as very steep type of recurve bow where the arms of the bow curve away from the archer when it's unstrung. Recurve bows can be notoriously hard to string due to the curve being in the opposite direction of the stringing, and this recurve is what makes bows like this very powerful. Odysseus' specific bow was said to be so powerful only he had the strength to curve it backward and string it, much less draw it fully and fire it. So yes, the challenge is meant to be unwinnable by anyone but Ody!
Thank you so much for reacting to the series! Because you did, I now watch some of your other stuff because you just match the energy I enjoy! (Also, I had to watch this in parts just as you had to make it in parts, so I thought that was funny!) 20:50:15 I so hope you remember this question for the Ithica Saga. Stringing a bow is very difficult, especially if you only rely on strength. My understanding is Ody used his whole body - not just his arms - to string his bow.
Beeswax is good for waterproofing, polishing, sealing bottles, and making candles if you don't have a good oil. It also strengthens linen thread for sewing. The odds of them having large blocks of beeswax on board were about as good as the odds of finding a fork in your kitchen.
Eurylochus's instroment is the Crew. You'll notice that he's often accompanied or followed by them in just about every line he has that isn't private. As the Second in Command, he is literally meant to be the Voice of the Crew, and therefore they are his instrument.
So, when you mention Scylla in the first song you finally helped click another piece of the puzzle into place, because only after listening to epic for roughly 8 times did I realise that when Zeus dismisses each of the suggestions Odysseus makes, it's the same melody as when the Syren tells Odysseus that he will have to go through the lair of Scylla. I couldn't make the connection until now, so thank you
So something about the song mutiny. You were talking about who is the god of the sun and about the king gods. In the Odyssey, Helios is the sun god. Helios is actually a Titan, which predates the Olympians (the Olympians are the gods that people are usually thinking of when they think of the Greek pantheon). Some people get confused why Apollo took Odysseus’s side in God games because Apollo is often depicted as the sun god, Apollo is not the sun god in the Odyssey. Additionally, you were talking about how a god of time would be a very good God king. When the Titans were the ones in power, ruling everything, their king was actually Kronos, the Titan of time. So you were extremely accurate with that(he was also the father of the first generation of Olympians, including Zeus). I just thought that was really cool because you kind of predicted that a little bit even without the knowledge behind it
It took me 6 hours to watch because I'm at work and had to stop occasionally but I thoroughly enjoyed it thank you so much for putting this out there!!! Also I cannot believe you didn't cry during the last song! I've listened to it a dozen times and it still brings a happy tear to my eye!
1:05:22 I don't know if i am truly correct, but Eurylochus's instrument is actually voices of 600 men ( the choir on the back), he represents the thoughts pf the entire crew, cuz like second in command gotta step in when the captain is going south yk
1:36:30 The staff's name is the Caduceus. Fun fact about it! So Heremes is the god of travel, shepherds, and a bunch of other stuff (I'm not gonna get into it all), the staff itself is most often said to be a gift from Apollo (though there are a few versions that claim its from other people). A lot of American health associations use this staff as their symbol, but its really a misuse that's become so common people don't realize it. The staff medical associations should use (and many do, such as the World Health Organization) is the Staff/rod of Asclepius. He was the son of Apollo (the connection to Apollo is probably one of the reasons for the mix up) and the god of healing/health/medecine (Apollo also was know for his powers of healing). Importantly this staff has a single snake instead of the two on Caduceus, and perhaps even more notably, does not have wings on it (wings are very much a Hermes thing with his role of being a messenger and travel). Once you know this its kind of really funny whenever you come across the wrong one cause it has literally no symbolic association with healing, yet it gets used as such.
Fun fact about Ody's reunions with his son and Athena! First, yes, Athena is alive; as Calypso properly pointed out in "Love in Paradise," goddesses can't die. Remember that all of Zeus' siblings were eaten by Titan Kronos to prevent them from deposing him like how Kronos castrated and overthrew his own father, Ouranos, but that Zeus retrieved them from Kronos' stomach before casting Kronos into Tartarus; many of them were hurt and mangled, but couldn't die and recovered from their wounds because they're divinities. Secondly, something fun pointed out by Jorge in a later short; after Athena says "Very well" two bits of overlapping music showing Ody's and Athena's two different paths play; Warrior of the Mind/This is my Goodbye in Athena's piano, and "Penelope" played in Ody's softer nylon guitar.
1:12:30 lol I keep commenting every five minutes but actually some people think that Aeolus’s warning was a lot more literal! It can be said that the reason the crew was so curious about the bag in the first place was because Ody was so paranoid about it. He was honest at first sure but then he stayed awake for 9 days to guard it without trusting any of his own men. To them it really must have felt like there was something going on and they needed to check it out. So the whole “keep your friends closer” was a real, literal warning that he should have either straight up lied or snuck around about it or he should have trusted them more, and the reason he failed was because he kept his friends at arms length.
Side note regarding Ody's faithfulness in Epic: Jorge took a lot of liberties with the Odyssey. In the original Odyssey, Odysseus lived with Circe for a year and convinced her to release his men, but they absolutely did the dirty and had kids. He also jumped into bed with Calypso in the original Odyssey. There are other liberties that Jorge took that make for a wonderful story; in the original Odyssey, the sirens died simply because Odysseus heard their calls and survived since his men's ears were stuffed with beeswax and he was tied to the mast. I think the ruthless slaughter in Different Beast is a lot more poignant for the storytelling purposes it has.
A note regarding Calypso's imprisonment! She was permanently imprisoned on her island as a judgment for her involvement in the Titanomachy, the war between the Titans and the Gods of Olympus! She sided with her father, Atlas, during that war, and when the Gods won, this was her sentence.
me at the beginning - "i need to see what _percentage_ of this is him talking and what is epic itself, coz i would want him to talk for like,at least an hour of this." looks up how long the epic the musical premier party was - "Okay, he talks for like an hour and a half, perfect
I loved watching all of the individual sagas and you reacting to the entirety again as it completes is a *treat*. I had such the emotional journey watching it with you. I'm sure someone has said, but different versions of the story give different reasons for why the suitors can't complete the challenge. I am goin off the top of my head, so don't quote me, but some of the reasons being in some it was a gift from the gods, in some I think he was just that strong, others there was a technique to stringing the boy they just didn't know, I think I also saw somewhere because he was shorter the bow type may have been non-standard (leading to a technique/skill issue for the suitors, lol). I haven't seen anything confirming what exact interpretation Epic the Musical went with.
im quite upset they didn't use more of Neals in Ruthlessness because just the companionship between Eury and Ody in that makes the betrayal in Mutiny and Thunder Bringer that much harder. And also that Posiden is freaking HOT. A God of water being hot, like that says something.
Also like the line "then his light went dark" in We'll be Fine. I always thought that meant went he went to Calypso's Island and Athena couldn't find him.
Fun fact about the suitors plotting to kill Telemachus and take Penelope! In both the original Odyssey and in Epic, Odysseus is hiding among the suitors disguised as a beggar. He hears them plotting, he sees what's going down. So...the monster is in the room with them, and they don't even realize.
Eurylochus’s instrument is actually the crew choir because he’s supposed to represent the mindset of the whole crew! If you listen you can hear the ensemble echoing a lot of Eurylochus’s words.
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In the poem Odysseus actually warned all the women in the house to stay in their rooms during the battle, so they don't have to witness the slaughter and don't get into the crossfire. Also he bathed himself and ordered the servants to clean the house, before going to Penelope, because there was blood everywhere.
Maybe my last round of fun facts. Strap in:
*The Challenge* - Penelope has been weaving that shroud for years. Finally, she’s decided to give them a challenge, knowing they can’t accomplish it. There are different versions of how the bow is made/enchanted, but the gist is that only Odysseus can string it. Her line “I’d rather die than grow old without the best of you”, at first, sounds like it might mean she’d rather die than marry someone who can’t match her husband, but no. She’s saying, “Only my husband can do this. I’d rather die than marry one of you.” Spartan badass is a badass.
And hearing _them_ sing Penelope, when we’d previously only heard Odysseus sing her name in love and longing for her. (Minus Zeus’ choir from the beginning). It really pulls at the heartstrings, but also does a good job indicating how much pressure they are putting on her to choose.
Hold Them Down - in Ancient Greece, not having a body to bury is one of the worst things you could do. Having no body to find, meant Telemachus wouldn’t be able to pass into the afterlife. They wanted to ensure he would _never_ be able to rest, even in death.
While Antinous is singing about what he’ll do to Penelope, you can hear her instrument screaming in the background.
*Odysseus* - “Polyphemus”, “Scylla”, “Charybdis”, all the monsters he faced. The king came home and slaughtered just as they had. There are several references in the song. They’re chanting his name in the background in the same way Polyphemus’ name had been chanted, but it’s also a throwback to the souls’ chants in No Longer You. We also finally get Tiresias’ final prophecy- “kill all the suitors for love). Other references, we obviously have Scylla for the torches. The “No” after that suitor asked for mercy is a reference to Odysseus asking Poseidon for mercy during Get in the Water, and he also replied with a cold “No”.
When Telemachus first arrives we can hear a Quick Thought, our first hint that Athena is still alive. Each of his blade strikes/blocks beat to motifs- Little Wolf, Legendary, Warrior of the mind, then Odysseus’ theme.
*I Can’t Help but Wonder* - “if I have your strength in me.” “The strength you hold within.” Odysseus told Telemachus he doesn’t need _his strength,_ because Telemachus has become a strong young man during his absence. “Capture wind and sky for you”, in a way he did with Aeolus and the storm. Odysseus sensing Athena was there showed just how close they had been. He knew she was watching without even seeing her. In the end, though, different tunes play as they part to show their mindset. Athena has Warrior of the Mind, and Odysseus has Penelope’s theme.
Would You Fall in Love with Me Again - he said “waiting for love”, not “waiting for me”. Odysseus knew there was a chance she wouldn’t accept him after everything. You can hear Poseidon’s trumpets/theme of “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves” in the background when he says “left a trail of red on every island”. At trader friends like objects I could use”, we hear Zeus’ theme.
The olive bed is the heart of the house. Odysseus met Penelope there, then built his entire palace around what he made for her. When she asked him to move it not only was it a test to see if he _knew that,_ but also if he was willing to literally uproot the start of their journey. The monster rises, his rage bubbling when she asked, but Penelope didn’t recoil. Our legend not only accepted him, but she _met him_ on the monster’s level. Odysseus was her husband, and he returned. Odysseus’ first words in the series are battle commands. His final are telling Penelope how much he loves her.
WYFILWMA has _beautiful_ livestream animation, Hold Them Down has a great end scene, and ‘Odysseus’ is insane, as well. The Challenge is really the only one that doesn’t have an animatic, just one beautiful drawing of Penelope looking longingly at the viewer. I can’t recommend and praise the livestream versions of each song more.
The first and final lines of Epic are kinda symbolic in a way: "Alright my brothers listen closely... I love you." It's obvious that Odysseus cared for and loved his crew and is haunted by their deaths throughout the musical, so those lines reinforce that idea.
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Bro your animatic for The Underworld and Will You Fall in Love With Me, are my favorites of yours (also the definitive versions of those songs for me good flipping job my guy)
You might have my favorite version of that scene.
You really nailed that it wasn’t just a test, it was her proving to him that he was STILL that man. ❤️
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Hear me out, the open arms philosophy wasn't lost in Monster, and it wasn't lost in Scylla or Thunderbringer. After everything Ody went through, when he finally faced Poseidon again, he still tried to use open arms to appeal to Poseidon during Get in the Water. But when he's drowning and saw Polites one last time, and he sings "you can relax my friend" instead, this is where Open Arms dies, and Ody has truly become the monster.
It's also where Ody dies.
"I see you on the brink of death, I see you draw your final breath, I see a man who gets to make it home alive"
He dies, and the monster lives. From 600 Strike onward, he even has the chorus that supernatural elements in the musical can call upon.
OOOOH YOURE COOKIN WITH THAT ONE @@liamwhite3522
I also think that the moment in the water is when he gets a new patron god. Cuz he and Athena broke up, but he needed another god's help. So I think Ares, the more ruthless and bloody minded god of war took Ody under his wing because he wanted to see/be part of the suitor massacre.
So not only his minset, but his faith changed.
1:13:55 btw, Telemachus’s voice actor was actual singing along with Penelope here but he was a lot quieter cause Odyssey didn’t know what his voice sounded like, they tried to hide it in order to reveal it in the later saga so they changed his name in the Spotify thing 😭
I guess now that we know that Mico is Telemachus they fix his name, but just out of curiosity do you remember what was his fake name?
@drawverartcreations it was Miguel Veloso, which lowkey I'm thinking they used his actaul real life name since he is only known on the Internet as mico
@@drawverartcreationshe is shown by his “fake name”( it’s his real name Miguel Veloso) on the Ithaca saga
@@drawverartcreations Mico wanted to separated his artist career with his involvement with epic so they credit him with his legal name Miguel Veloso in every Epic song.
In Ximena’s she put references to The Odyssey. She drew Odysseus being recognized by his nurse, highlighting the scar that gave him away. When she came over and touched his shoulder, in The Odyssey, Odysseus told her to get the women away because he was about to _slaughter._
3:44:03 She's referring to the storm she saw _last night,_ while her husband was out delivering 600 strikes to Poseidon. She's not still thinking of the storm 10 years ago when the bag first opened.
Idk how hey thought of that lmao
37:38 in the Odyssey, Odysseus and his men fight a battle and raid a village after leaving Troy where Odysseus spares a priest of Apollo and his family and the priest thanks him with divine wine. This whole thing wasn’t included in Epic, likely for character and story reasons, but this is why Odysseus just has “the worlds best tasting wine” on him
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Your ICHBW and WYFILWMA animatics are so good, especially for coming out so soon after the saga, the expressions on Telemachus and Penelope are perfect!
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Character instruments that I know of:
Ody: guitar
Athena: piano
Penelope: viola
hermes: harp/lyre
Eurylucus: the crew
Polites: kalima/marimba
Aeolus: wind chimes/ flute
Posiedon: trumpet
Calypso: steel pan
Circe: strings with a bass kick
Telemachus: stringed instruments like his parents and indie piano
Sorry to keep you all WAITTINGGGGG, but I've been working on this xD. Hope you enjoy!
Even if you’re the last thing I see I’ll be waittinggggg.
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My friend, you have to know something. The full version of canon Dangerous isn’t in. You… my friend. In your own time or however you want, you _have_ to see the full canon one. Hermes was killing it on a level I can’t even tell you 😂
I didn't see anyone comment this but in the original Odyssey Ody was buck naked slaughtering the suitors. Imagine this terrifying demon of a man with his jibbly bits out slaughtering everyone. Horrifying. I really liked how Telemachus is the one who left the weapons door unlocked, I can only imagine Ody hearing the suitors and just going "shit shit shit", the first time he's ever had to clean up after his kid.
In the original Odyssey Athena convinces the gods to hold off the dawn so Ody & Penelope can have a longer time reuniting, Penelope also does the bed test to make sure it wasn't Zeus in disguise because he do like to be dressing himself up and sleeping with people's wives.
If you haven't I highly highly recommend watching the live stream, it had such funny moments with all the cast and crew. You also get to watch their first time reactions to the Ithica saga (disgust and tears) which is priceless.
Add to that fact (the first one) that the suitors were either drunk, high, just woke up or worse, all three.
also re: the livestream, it's abundantly obvious that Mason has for sure listened to Vengeance but not watched it and his reactions are HILARIOUS, highly recommend
Why was he naked 😅
It's not just Athena. Every Greek Goddess is a bonafide badass. Hell, Aphrodite was originally adapted into the Greek Pantheon from Ishtar as a Goddess of Love AND WAR, iirc, so she's a badass not just twice but THRICE over.
2:45:08 The reason it feels like Hercules is because Hercules is a Disney movie and Legendary is quite literally an I Want Song. An I Want Song is something that a whole bunch of Disney (and stuff like it) musicals have where the main character basically sings about what they want. For Hercules it’s “Go The Distance”
Fun fact, this is what the Disney Princess allegations came from
3:48:00
I haven't seen anyone say this yet, so, I might as well say it
Odysseus' bow was a "palintonos bow", which means "bent or stretched backwards". Alot of strength has to be put into it to bend the bow to the correct shape when strung, since it's usual shape is more of a "C" when unstrung, instead of just being completely straight when unstrung like normal longbows
The exact amount varies as well but the version I read mentioned the draw was roughly 300 lbs. I'm sure it was exaggerated but the point was it was a type of bow that only a warrior would know how to string and fire, whereas all the suitors were not warriors in any stretch of the word.
3:28:13
The bag CONTAINS Poseidon’s storm allowing him to sail through. Like they aren’t giving him a nuke button and telling him not to press it.
Correct, if the storm wasn't bagged, then Ody could not make it home even following all the rest of the instructions. As for why it has to be given to Ody to hold onto, it has to be a test, a game. The gods don't ever just solve things for heroes. They wouldn't hold onto the bag for him, and any mortal who found the bag would have their first instinct to check inside, except for the one mortal who knows what is inside, and has every reason to never open it: Odysseus.
in terms of the bow being "impossible", it's two things; one it's been made by heracles as a tutoring bow and so requires at least some degree of demigod strength. Two, it's a palintonos, or old greecian recurve bow (a bow that curves forward of the bowman's grip at rest and needs to be pulled back when strung), and those were rare back then. Recurves require technique to successfully string it, on top of strength. Fitting for a greecian hero of wit and his witty wife's challenge
2:02 mom, mom, I did it, im got into the animators list lmao xd
Your Underworld animatic is my favorite and always the one I choose when I watch through Epic 😅
_clapping vigorously_ I recommend yours each time
@@icemagiciangh thank you, I just wished I had noticed the audio failure before uploading it, but besides that, it absolutelly the video I'm most proud of right now and I love reading peoples reactions to it jsjsj
58:59 So, the 2 years later part is ASSUMED by the creator of that video, as Circe Saga takes place immediately after Ocean Saga and in There Are Other Ways Odysseus says it has been ‘12 long years’ rather than ten. However, Jorge himself has said that line was a mistake and in canon it’s still been ten.
Yes and in Get In The Water Odysseus confirms that its been 10 years since The Ocean Saga, the only time the 2-3 time skip could be is either between Circe and Underworld or Underworld and Thunder
4:09:12 it’s a popular headcanon that when he shot Antinuous he did it through the axes!
Mattables: "What would you call all the sagas put together?"
Title of the Production: Epic **THE MUSICAL**
Yeah, what WOULD you call it, Mattables?😂
Yes! Also.....
Wait for it....
THE ODYSSEY
lmao
The reason Hera agreed to release Odysseus was because she's Zeus' wife and as you said, Zeus fucks...
Also lot of reactors seem to be confused about how Odysseus' sword can damage Poseidon but like he's still flesh(?)... Immortal doesn't necessarily equal invulnerable. I would assume getting stabbed would hurt regardless of whether or not you can die to it xd
Yep, the storm from the Ocean Saga is only there because Odysseus told the cyclops he's from Ithaca. Poseidon knew that was the island where he was going, so he summoned a big storm around it to keep him away and hopefully kill him
I recommend checking the livestream for the Ithica Saga too, they went all out with the animatics there. Specially on the last song with Gigi's animation made it so much more impactful. The animatic here is also really good though
4:07:45
From the beginning, we saw both Odysseus and Athena clearly; despite being similarly intelligent and strategic, their core drives are very different. Odysseus, at first, wanted a friend and then his goal is his family. Athena wanted to change the world, in her mind it required a Warrior of the Mind unlike any other.
Odysseus never cared about changing the world, and Athena didn't understand Odysseus wanting to show mercy or empathy at first. Now, years later...they're still who they are at their core: Odysseus only cares about his family, Athena still wants to change the world, they're just older and wiser now. And they understand each other at last which is why he says she can make her vision of the world come true, and she smiles and bids him farewell with the "My Goodbye" tune at the end of that song so he can go see his wife because she knows that's all he wants.
Wait so.. youre re listening to the entire musical before listening to the last saga? wtf. THANK YOU SO MUCH! So many people listen to it once during their reaction and forget so much. This is awesome! youre awesome.
Holy hell, four hours are about to be well spent. Thank you for this gift good sir
Edit: it was, in fact, four hours well spent.
You are SO valid for the singing, lol. I've been lip-syncing along to this the whole time XD
2:31:55 the sun god in the Odyssey is Helios, the reason Zeus comes down to deal with odyseus instead of helios is because Helios is constantly moving the sun through the sky and Zeus is also the god of justice in greek mythology so when Helios threatens to put the sun in the underworld and never let the living see it again, Zeus goes down and punishes Odysseus in his stead
3:28:20 , Hi so, the reason he has to have the windbag is because Aeolus agreed to hold the storm so long as Odysseus keeps the windbag closed. The stipulation is likely he has to keep the windbag on him and just not open it (or the storm is released), so to honor his deal, he has to do that.
To my knowledge, most interpretations of Antinous put him somewhere within 5 to 10 years older than Telemachus, cuz in the OG Odyssey he was able to remember seeing Ody go off to war. So he'd need to be old enough to form and retain such a memory.
Odysseus also remembers holding Antinous as an infant too (because he saves his dad from getting killed) so he can't have been that much older than Telemachus. Most of the suitors are young, and are from Ithaca or surrounding areas (some are even kids of Odysseus' men) and idk why so many people think that they are all old.
@ApartDragonFruit Because most people would expect the Suitors to be close to the same age as her and Ody since that's the typical relationship philosophy. You don't expect a woman in... What, her mid 40s to lose her husband and then marry a 20 year old, do you? So most people just assume they're around her age instead of remembering that this is a story written over a thousand years ago.
9:38 Narrator voice: *it was indeed, four hours*
2:57:55 To answer your question, Athena's philosophy is being smart about things, especially conflict. It's either you avoid the fight or you win it completely. Ody failed because a) he didn't finish an enemy that would very much go after him and his men if given the opportunity and b) after escaping his foe, he gave his name when he could've left quietly and the ciclop would've never figured it out his identity. He failed her test and defied her only to do things halfheartedly leading to problems down the line. That's not being smart, and Athena hated seeing him shoot himself in the foot when she knows how capable he is, but he was struck with grief and made an irrational choice that fucked him over. She says "One day you'll understand [her teachings/philosophy]" and he does by the end of the saga, but he had to suffer to do so.
3:33:18 I fucking CACKLED 😂
There's a good animation where Ody uses the wind to cause some sort of tornado to throws rocks at Poseidon, that's my favorite depiction of the fight
Your second point is mine exactly! Especially with monsters, which have dubiously defined durability and mortality, *not* killing the cyclops is a recipe for disaster. As she says, "He's still a threat until he's dead!" But also, Athena is about structured combat and strategy, whereas Ares is about violent combat and carnage. Crippling a foe like Ody did to Polyphemus and then not putting him out of his misery is cruelty and half-assed cruelty at that, which is not Athena's path at all.
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"Arm shins" that's what I'll be calling forearms from now on 😂.
1:06:54 all this time and you still cant say his name huh😂😂😂
Eurylochus' intrument is the voice of the crew. He doesn't have a traditional instrument, but rather because hes second in command he speaks for the rest of Odys men, thus the backing vocals are his 'instrument'
Worlds best tasting wine: in the original Odyssey Odysseus gets the cyclopse drunk off his ass with unmixed (basically really strong) wine (no lotuses involved).
He spins this whole story about how this is the rarest bestest wine in the world that was personally given to him by a priest at a famous shrine, and the wine is so exclusive that even the regular servants at this shrine didn't know it existed.
Original Odysseus is kind of a pathological lair tbh.
So in all likelihood its just regular ass wine. I do really love that Jorge makes reference to the original story though!
Odysseus wasn't lying. It was given to him by a Priest of Apollo at the island of the Cicones. It really was extra strong extra rare wine.
@@anthonymarchetta8796according to him. It's POSSIBLE that happened, but Ody also liked to lie a LOT, he's an unreliable narrator
“Lying Odysseus replied, ‘I will tell you the truth completely.’”
@@Kirachan3 I mean okay, but in that case he may not have met the cyclops at all, we have to accept his narrative somewhat to even discuss the story. He tells the story of the island of the Cicones before he meets the cyclops, it's not like that's where we first learn about the story.
For the record I think the evidence that Odysseus is stretching the truth here is pretty strong. For one thing, why is he the one who objects to stealing the cyclops' things when he had no issue sacking the island of the Cicones earlier? In the story of Circe, why does he stay with Circe for an entire extra year until his men beg him to ask Circe to leave?
I suspect the truth is that they really were trying to steal from the cyclops and he got caught. But in the version of the story he cooked up later, it was his men who wanted to steal but poor little Odysseus, such a good and noble person, opposed the idea when the evil cyclops attacked him.
3:48:06 - I think others have noted it, but Odysseus used a type of bow that was very rare to Greece and so many were unfamiliar with it. His bow was recurved the other direction, and so while it was resting unstrung, it was curved still instead of straighter like many bows of the day. So it was both knowledge only Odysseus would have, and it was also incredibly hard to string anyway to fight against the bow's natural curve
15:38 well. If you'd have watched the live stream version it does have a thing that says "7 years later" lmao
I’m not sure who put all of that together, but canon visuals are sprinkled in. I sadly can’t go line by line to tell you which are official, but during ‘Little Wolf’ when Athena pulls Telemachus into a Quick Thought that’s the canon design of that mind scape. A lot from the Wisdom Saga are canon bits, including the lightning strike, him on the cliff and a lot of God Games. The canon for Little Wolf is in a video game style, though.
I have it in the description of the person who made it, as well as all the artists they tagged.
@@Mattablesgotcha. What do you think of canon disco Hera? 😂
The armguards weren't canon to EPIC, but they were basically a symbol of Athena, proof of his ability and his identity as her student, by taking them off let alone destroying them he was renouncing her as his mentor. Also, destroying a gift was seen as a huge slight against the gifted so he did it to hurt her too.
1:06:54 I've heard it suggested that Eury's instrument is the crew - the choir - and I particularly love the detail that more and more of the crew speak up with him as the song goes on as he shares his doubts, demonstrating how he's seeding those doubts amongst them, wittingly or otherwise
Poseidon in Ruthlessness was literally like a parent who is mad that his son got beaten up by Odysseus
he is literally like a dad whose little son got hit by some other kid and he can go that far to even traumatise the kid for hurting his son omg
Best yet, Ody killing all the suitor is not only justified, but ENCOURAGED by Zeus. The Suitors effectively have been bumming around his castle while he was away for years, and have basically been abusing the Laws of Hospitality to do whatever they want, but by planning ill will against their hosts effectively brought divine retribution upon themselves, in the form of Odysseus. God sanctioned murder spree with no repercussions are rare in Greek myth due to how sacred treating one's guests is supposed to be but the story is effectively a good reason why Guests should be kind to their hosts as well, parable style.
Right, didn't some of the families of the suitors attempt to come after Odysseus only to get lightning struck near their forces as a sign from Zeus like, "Back off"?
I could be wrong, though. 😅
The reason that Odysseus had such a hard time killing the Cyclops is because Polites had such an everlasting effect on him, and so do many others. Odysseus also has an effect on Athena. I love this musical so much 🫶
Oohh sick this video has the canon animatics and such in there too! Nice! For reference, the canon animatics are (usually) the ones that are fully colored.
44:28 break your heart some more Matt, that one is canon. His body rolling infront of him
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2:01:30 Mason was only 18 when he recorded his vocals for no longer you. Its crazy how talented he is
2:31:55 Helios. And he is kinda more powerful since the whole reason Zeus was sent in the first place was because Helios threatened to take the sun into the underworld lol
Edit: He's not the God of LIghtning so much as the God of the Sky and Heavens and the "God King".
3:34:27 ı think poseidon didnt push him to water because zeus agreed him to go home so he couldnt kill ody directly but if ody somehow drowns it wouldnt be his fault(sorry for my poor english. ....)
I didn't think about that but I always thought poseidon was just a prideful man and he could have easily done it but want to have odyessues to suffer more.
@big3fanboy19 that also make sense
Im leaving another comment bc i can. I agree the one downfall of that compliation is not giving a small indication on who did what part. BUT i can also see why they cose not to since i noticed they like to edit two or more animations into each other so labeling might have gotten confusing. That being said, im glad im watching this cus im seen animatics from ppl i didnt know made animatics for certain songs. Like, i did not know Wolfy made a Polyphemus animatic but i recognized their style
Edit: WOLFY DID A SURVIVE ANIMATIC TOO??? WOLFY ARE YOU HIDING FROM ME??
AHHHH!!! I’ve been ✨waaaaaiting✨ for the Ithaca Saga reaction but THIS IS SUCH A TREAT! I’m so excited for this thank you for doing a full listen through I love that this was the route you decided to take!
2:14:19 The thing you're referring to is called a lure, which is a delightfully fitting piece of fish anatomy for sirens to have, since that's what they do.
And also, on angler fish, the light is not so that the angler can see, but to draw in the angler's prey close enough to eat, since you seemed confused about its function on regular fish.
Telemachus'es "diplomatic mission" was actually him going to find some info about Odysseus whereabouts! In the book he met some neighboring kings, who also fought in the Trojan war alonside Odysseus, and they told him some cool war stories about his dad.
And further explain the diplomatic mission Athena sent him to visited Nestor and Menalaus to figure out what happened to Odysseus Athena knew nothing would happen to Penelope but she didn't want Telemachus getting killed so she timed it so that he'd arrive back after Odysseus did so they met at the beach and the plan to kill the suitors was planned once he got back
it was very common in the past to carry wine instead of water for hydration, though 'world's finest' may have been an embellishment. it's also possible they looted some fine wines from troy before they headed home. i assume they would carry beeswax on ships as a sealant for leaks and such. it's not an underwater fight but DuvetBox's 600 Strike animatic has a more... grounded fight sequence.
Please Matty keep defending your Doctor Who take because it is a valid theory!!!!! I absolutely loved it and it was so precious!
26:03 "I want Odysseus to have that little bit of Polites left in him.."
Meanwhile theres this
"Let's have open arms in stea-"
*Gets shot*
"No."
3:04:00 - She didnt prevented him to leave, the island is prison of the gods, but she did kept him there because she didnt let him delete himself, at least as per some of the original versions. In the musical is not clear that she did either of the two, but i believe that was the second one.
3:18:00 - well, she did humuliated him in front of everyone by stating that a mortal is more loyal them him to his own wife, the goddess of marriage.
3:21:00 - in the myth she was imprisoned right after the war between gods and titans because she sided with her father atlas, if im not mistaken, the titan sentenced to hold the sky. which was ages ago. but maybe alone for so long, she didnt get the passage of time. which makes it even more sad in my option, she is alone for so long that she doest know how long have been.
So happy for your reactions to Epic the Musical, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I'm a bit sad you didn't get to see the official livestream for The Ithaca Saga like you did for the Vengeance Saga but that's just my preference. For me, the musical begins and ends with Gigi animatics (yes, Gigi made an animatic for the end of Would You Fall in Love with Me Again and yes it is gorgeous and I enjoyed sobbing to it very much)
1:59:55 The beat there is a waltz. I could be wrong but I think watzls are used in carousels sometimes, or else use a similar staccato notes.
On this note, there is a partial animatic of just that section of the scene as a waltz that I really enjoy and would recommend just for fun
3:04:57
Something don't think you noticed, Calypso ends her verse with "stay in my open arms," directly followed by Polites singing his song, "this life is amazing, when you greet it with open arms."
It only hardens the fact that her life became amazing, now that she has a worldwith him, even if he doesnt love her back.
In Six hundred strike I don’t mind the jet pack idea but one of the animatics I watched have him using the wind to cut up Poseidon and that’s definitely my preferred use of the bag.
Everyone does such a great job with their own interpretations of the events though!
3:45:31
PENELOPE WE DID NOT NEED TO SEE THAT
The bow has an insane draw weight, Odysseus is just that guy, in the Odyssey he's was stronger than a normal human. But it"s not just this, there's also a trick to string the bow properly that only him knows. They had no chance
At my quinceañera Its tradition to play a solo on an instrument we learned, and I played "just a man" on my cello
Calypso's island is her prison, she was banished there because she sided with her Titan father, (Atlas?).
The gods like to mess with her by having people wash ashore from time to time.
She's a tragic character but still horrible.
As much as I love the animatics, I cannot wait for you to react to the stream version for all of the sagas as it brings so much silliness to most of the previous sagas and brings so much movement (and extra information) in the Ithaca saga!
A note regarding love in the Greek world! You said Athena loved Odysseus, and she absolutely did! You also said "not love, love", which is where Greek ideals of love become very awesome. The Greeks of yesteryear (and even to a certain extent of current times) had multiple words for love that spanned love for family, love for your children, love for friends, love for comrades in war, love for strangers, and romantic love, just to name a few. She likely had a combination of philia - a platonic form of love for family/close friends - and pragma - a form of love between those with shared values and senses of duty!
Also the storm she was talking about was the one Ody released at the end of Six Hundred Strike
Fun fact about Odysseus' massacre! In the original livestream of the release of the Ithaca Saga, there was a subtitle for the animatic that said the Final Boss of Epic is Odysseus. That's why there's a choir in the background chanting his name in the traditional Greek pronunciation, and why there are flashes of Poseidon and other villains over himself; he truly embraced the monster within!
2:09:54 I heard a comment theorize that because all sirens are female, that was actually a young siren that siren Penelope pulled up.
2:12:42
Apparently it’s not the fact that Poseidon is scared of Scylla, but the fact that Charybdis is Poseidon’s daughter turned monster, and he hates seeing her like that.
did i just spend 4 hours of my most precious time watching a guy yapping about some 2h30ish musical ??? hell yeah i did and it was worth it, this crazy but it felt like one hour only!
Fun Fact about Penelope's challenge to the suitors! First, in the song The Challenge, she's talking about the storm that Ody unleashed while fighting Poseidon, so this is in the present time. Secondly, Odysseus was said to wield a palintonos bow, which is as very steep type of recurve bow where the arms of the bow curve away from the archer when it's unstrung. Recurve bows can be notoriously hard to string due to the curve being in the opposite direction of the stringing, and this recurve is what makes bows like this very powerful. Odysseus' specific bow was said to be so powerful only he had the strength to curve it backward and string it, much less draw it fully and fire it. So yes, the challenge is meant to be unwinnable by anyone but Ody!
Thank you so much for reacting to the series! Because you did, I now watch some of your other stuff because you just match the energy I enjoy! (Also, I had to watch this in parts just as you had to make it in parts, so I thought that was funny!)
20:50:15 I so hope you remember this question for the Ithica Saga.
Stringing a bow is very difficult, especially if you only rely on strength. My understanding is Ody used his whole body - not just his arms - to string his bow.
Beeswax is good for waterproofing, polishing, sealing bottles, and making candles if you don't have a good oil. It also strengthens linen thread for sewing. The odds of them having large blocks of beeswax on board were about as good as the odds of finding a fork in your kitchen.
Eurylochus's instroment is the Crew. You'll notice that he's often accompanied or followed by them in just about every line he has that isn't private. As the Second in Command, he is literally meant to be the Voice of the Crew, and therefore they are his instrument.
So, when you mention Scylla in the first song you finally helped click another piece of the puzzle into place, because only after listening to epic for roughly 8 times did I realise that when Zeus dismisses each of the suggestions Odysseus makes, it's the same melody as when the Syren tells Odysseus that he will have to go through the lair of Scylla. I couldn't make the connection until now, so thank you
So something about the song mutiny. You were talking about who is the god of the sun and about the king gods. In the Odyssey, Helios is the sun god. Helios is actually a Titan, which predates the Olympians (the Olympians are the gods that people are usually thinking of when they think of the Greek pantheon). Some people get confused why Apollo took Odysseus’s side in God games because Apollo is often depicted as the sun god, Apollo is not the sun god in the Odyssey. Additionally, you were talking about how a god of time would be a very good God king. When the Titans were the ones in power, ruling everything, their king was actually Kronos, the Titan of time. So you were extremely accurate with that(he was also the father of the first generation of Olympians, including Zeus). I just thought that was really cool because you kind of predicted that a little bit even without the knowledge behind it
Well we didn't always know that the sun was bigger than Earth, Zeus is the god of the SKY, Helios' sun moves across sky because Zeus let's it.
3:41:40 The reason to being so melodic is because it is music to odysseus's ears. At least that's what I believe.
It took me 6 hours to watch because I'm at work and had to stop occasionally but I thoroughly enjoyed it thank you so much for putting this out there!!! Also I cannot believe you didn't cry during the last song! I've listened to it a dozen times and it still brings a happy tear to my eye!
1:05:22 I don't know if i am truly correct, but Eurylochus's instrument is actually voices of 600 men ( the choir on the back), he represents the thoughts pf the entire crew, cuz like second in command gotta step in when the captain is going south yk
THANK YOU FOR REACTING TO THE WHOLE EPIC SAGA
1:36:30 The staff's name is the Caduceus.
Fun fact about it! So Heremes is the god of travel, shepherds, and a bunch of other stuff (I'm not gonna get into it all), the staff itself is most often said to be a gift from Apollo (though there are a few versions that claim its from other people). A lot of American health associations use this staff as their symbol, but its really a misuse that's become so common people don't realize it.
The staff medical associations should use (and many do, such as the World Health Organization) is the Staff/rod of Asclepius. He was the son of Apollo (the connection to Apollo is probably one of the reasons for the mix up) and the god of healing/health/medecine (Apollo also was know for his powers of healing). Importantly this staff has a single snake instead of the two on Caduceus, and perhaps even more notably, does not have wings on it (wings are very much a Hermes thing with his role of being a messenger and travel).
Once you know this its kind of really funny whenever you come across the wrong one cause it has literally no symbolic association with healing, yet it gets used as such.
Fun fact about Ody's reunions with his son and Athena! First, yes, Athena is alive; as Calypso properly pointed out in "Love in Paradise," goddesses can't die. Remember that all of Zeus' siblings were eaten by Titan Kronos to prevent them from deposing him like how Kronos castrated and overthrew his own father, Ouranos, but that Zeus retrieved them from Kronos' stomach before casting Kronos into Tartarus; many of them were hurt and mangled, but couldn't die and recovered from their wounds because they're divinities. Secondly, something fun pointed out by Jorge in a later short; after Athena says "Very well" two bits of overlapping music showing Ody's and Athena's two different paths play; Warrior of the Mind/This is my Goodbye in Athena's piano, and "Penelope" played in Ody's softer nylon guitar.
1:12:30 lol I keep commenting every five minutes but actually some people think that Aeolus’s warning was a lot more literal! It can be said that the reason the crew was so curious about the bag in the first place was because Ody was so paranoid about it. He was honest at first sure but then he stayed awake for 9 days to guard it without trusting any of his own men. To them it really must have felt like there was something going on and they needed to check it out. So the whole “keep your friends closer” was a real, literal warning that he should have either straight up lied or snuck around about it or he should have trusted them more, and the reason he failed was because he kept his friends at arms length.
Side note regarding Ody's faithfulness in Epic: Jorge took a lot of liberties with the Odyssey. In the original Odyssey, Odysseus lived with Circe for a year and convinced her to release his men, but they absolutely did the dirty and had kids. He also jumped into bed with Calypso in the original Odyssey.
There are other liberties that Jorge took that make for a wonderful story; in the original Odyssey, the sirens died simply because Odysseus heard their calls and survived since his men's ears were stuffed with beeswax and he was tied to the mast. I think the ruthless slaughter in Different Beast is a lot more poignant for the storytelling purposes it has.
A note regarding Calypso's imprisonment! She was permanently imprisoned on her island as a judgment for her involvement in the Titanomachy, the war between the Titans and the Gods of Olympus! She sided with her father, Atlas, during that war, and when the Gods won, this was her sentence.
I didn't realize I would enjoy someone reacting to epic AGAIN as much as i have 😂 we got to be excited together with each song 🤣
me at the beginning - "i need to see what _percentage_ of this is him talking and what is epic itself, coz i would want him to talk for like,at least an hour of this."
looks up how long the epic the musical premier party was - "Okay, he talks for like an hour and a half, perfect
1:07:00 Euryluchus instrument is the voice of the crew. As Jorge said in one of his youtube shorts.
I loved watching all of the individual sagas and you reacting to the entirety again as it completes is a *treat*. I had such the emotional journey watching it with you.
I'm sure someone has said, but different versions of the story give different reasons for why the suitors can't complete the challenge. I am goin off the top of my head, so don't quote me, but some of the reasons being in some it was a gift from the gods, in some I think he was just that strong, others there was a technique to stringing the boy they just didn't know, I think I also saw somewhere because he was shorter the bow type may have been non-standard (leading to a technique/skill issue for the suitors, lol). I haven't seen anything confirming what exact interpretation Epic the Musical went with.
ive been waitingggg... waiting..... waiting... for this
im quite upset they didn't use more of Neals in Ruthlessness because just the companionship between Eury and Ody in that makes the betrayal in Mutiny and Thunder Bringer that much harder.
And also that Posiden is freaking HOT. A God of water being hot, like that says something.
Also like the line "then his light went dark" in We'll be Fine. I always thought that meant went he went to Calypso's Island and Athena couldn't find him.
I am so glad you reacted to this I love your commentary and observations! Thank you!
i'm sure someone else mentioned it but yeah Poseidon was singing while in pain because that's what ody was hearing, it was 'music to his ears'
Fun fact about the suitors plotting to kill Telemachus and take Penelope! In both the original Odyssey and in Epic, Odysseus is hiding among the suitors disguised as a beggar. He hears them plotting, he sees what's going down. So...the monster is in the room with them, and they don't even realize.
3:41:45 i like the idea someone suggested that the reason he can still sing in tune is because his screams of pain were music to Odysseus ears
Edit cause I didn't realize I had to write something first lol
You're the fucking goat for this.
@@thesaltybeard1793 thank you!! I hope you like it :3
Eurylochus’s instrument is actually the crew choir because he’s supposed to represent the mindset of the whole crew! If you listen you can hear the ensemble echoing a lot of Eurylochus’s words.