“Riding The Scree” from Lamb might be my favorite example of this in Genesis’s catalog. The feeling of Mike’s one bass note fighting against Tony’s solo and chords the entire song, is amazing! And in 9/4 as well. Please do more Genesis vids! and even cooler if you could interview any of them
One of the coolest and most complicated Genesis "hits" for sure! I know it would be really self indulgent Rick, but I think it would be really cool if you broke down Suppers Ready piece by piece, section by section. It might take an hour to do but would be really fun.
Genesis touring guitarist Daryl Stuermer included an amazing cover in his record Another side of Genesis back in 2000. In fact, I reckon that Rick could consider interviewing Daryl who has great experience with Genesis, Phil Collins, Jean-Luc Ponty, George Duke and many more big names, without forgetting his solo career
Genesis is my all-time favorite band, because of the variety of songs from their early Peter Gabriel days and especially through the Phil Collins albums. Such a unique collection of songs.
I've seen videos of 70s prog rock Genesis and Phil Collins is a MONSTER drummer, singing backing vocals like a boss while playing crazy time signature stuff. I know he's famous for playing drums in the 80s on stuff like In the Air Tonight, but that song doesn't do him justice. He is a beast drummer who deserves even more fan attention than he already gets. I know he's not a good physical shape these days and can't play drums anymore, but I hope he lives a long happy time and gets comfortable. He is a lesser-known drum god in my opinion.
He never got enough attention on his drumming, at least in the mainstream. That's what really made him, what he loved most, what he did well, and why he wrote such great music. A master at drumming and able to play so many styles fluidly. Phil got a lot of crap once he became huge and you couldn't miss him. People fixated on his soft stuff and didn't realize he was truly brilliant at heavy rock, particularly with his work in the 70s. These doubters only need to witness his drumming, especially in the true prog years, and especially when live. Absolutely astounding stuff.
It’s the perfect opening for their Three Sides Live album, which was a revelation for me as a young college student. Still one of my fave live albums ever
Cranked it up the other day, just pure brilliance. Then I had a thought that I did the same thing over 40 years ago. Crikey! Genesis had such a unique sound, no-one sounded like them and no-one ever will.
I remember this song came on in the car when my Dad was driving us to Scotland and I fell in love with it. It's not often you remember when you first heard a song. I asked my brother who it was. I was 14
I'm a keyboard player who absolutely idolizes Tony Banks & Genesis- this is one of my all-time favorites!!!! (I wish I could throw a song like this out to my band- they would laugh me out of the room)
Genesis have often spoken about their love of Motown. Turn It On Again is their tribute to that genre. Rutherford came up with the rhythmic riff on guitar. The debate over timing was also correct. Rutherford thought it was 4/4, Collins pointed out it was 13 beats but resolved anyway!
I have no idea frankly what this song has to do with Motown. Collins' solo records are full of Motown tributes, but Rutherford and Banks, who are the main writers of Turn It On Again, rather came from other places, f.e. The Beatles or The Nice. But there is one song on Duke which is a nod to Motown: Misunderstanding. Not surprisingly it's written by Phil Collins.
80s Genesis is the most unique Genesis, and I will stand by that. The 70s stuff is great, but prog bands were everywhere. Not so much in the 80s mixing pop synth and drum machines in. Awesome.
@@AllofJudeaThe early Genesis sounded quite similar to other prog bands of the time but I'd say from The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway onwards they started to sound very unique.
Love this Rick! The joy on your face going thru the songs. Don’t think you would mind but Tom Bukovac does three old Genesis tracks with Sarah and they are sensational, Ripples in particular.
I saw them do this on the Duke tour at the Philadelphia Spectrum, summer of 1980. It was fantastic to hear Chester Thompson and Phil Collins playing together!
Philly rocks. We were the ones who supported and sold out the greatest bands before everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Genesis, Yes, Kansas, Jean Luc, Dixie Dregs. I contend we just have great taste but WIOQ (Harvey in particular) was a MAJOR factor in exposing us to the best music at the time.
One of the biggest Genesis fans on the planet ! Love ALL Genesis. Drove from Tucson to the Hollywood Bowl to see what turned out was the last show on that Turn it on Again tour. 2007. Think that was the last performance as a band, before the whole Phil sitting in a chair thing. So on one hand I'm privileged to have seen it, but on the other very sad. Of course it rained that day. Genesis is a Musical Treasure !!!
Live in concert Genesis' Taurus bass pedals ROCKED. You could feel it through your whole body and it was epic within their music. They were so dramatic and Phil drumming so brilliant.
I liked “Misunderstanding” but bought the Duke album because of this song. I was so fascinated with the time, and just their SOUND. So cool. Still a fave. High school years… fun
Great look at this song, i've always loved this song and this album. I was only 7 when this was released but my uncle was a huge Genesis/Phil Collins fan so i was educated to their music around 1982/3 🙂
Many bands have an album that is the turning point between old and new. An album that keeps some of the old sounds and signatures but also moves forward with new sounds and a new direction. Duke is that album for Genesis.
Genesis really were the masters of the pedal point. "Supper's Ready" has some of the best examples of this technique ("Ikhnaton and Its-a-Con and Their Band of Merry Men" and ""Apocalypse in 9/8"), not to mention the entire keyboard solo section of "Cinema Show."
Really enjoy and appreciate how you elucidate the creativity and skill behind music we heard for decades and took for granted. I have enough background in music to appreciate the theory and composing but found myself always chasing virtuosos of technical ability while dismissing the beautiful of composition and the magic of the studio production. Very cool content. Thank you for bringing the behind the scenes world to light.
I seem to remember hearing that the riff was Mike Rutherford, who thought it was in fours until Phil Collins gave him pelters for it being in 13s - “bloody typical guitarist” was Collins’ comment, after having to count it out to prove it. Might be my memory playing tricks to be fair…
They kept the bass note the same all the time because Rutherford found himself having to play bass and guitar simultaneously after Hackett left (certainly on the jam-based songs), and he wasn't particularly good at moving around the Taurus bass pedals while playing guitar at the same time. Many other Genesis songs have this from ATTW3 on. Even though he probably got better at it, it became a big part of the sound of Genesis's trio era. Not exclusive to that era either. They had the pedals since at least Selling England. Plenty of double-guitar songs where they use the Taurus for the lower end. It just took a while for Rutherford to feel the need to improve.
Yeah but they did it already back on Supper's Ready and Watcher of the Sky and I think something from Nursery Cryme, so it's ultimately a composer choice
I would have thought that Mike could have recorded his bass part separately and for live concerts, either he or Darryl could play the bass part. I think it was more of a composer's choice to keep it to one bass note at a time.
Dear Rick, thank you so much for this video. I am a Genesis fan for 40 years because I love their fantastic compositions. Many people I know hate Genesis due to their 80s stuff. I think they are the best composers (together with the Beatles). John Frusciante also said that in an interview a few months ago. Hope they will receive even more appreciation in the future. By the way, the main riff is composed as a guitar riff by Mike Rutherford. (so it is actually a guitar song 😊). I would love if you talk more about the pedal approach in Genesis (e.g. the fantastic end of Supper’s Ready). Best
The best version of this song was during the 3 Sides Live Tour. 1) They increased the tempo from 128 to 132 bpm; 2) All those layers of keyboards were replaced by a sole Yamaha CP-70 electric grand piano (which was also buried somewhere in the studio version). This is my all time favorite song because of all the quirks you mention. Between the meter changes and the use of the pedal point, there is so much unresolved tension here, much like in my own life. The 3 Sides Live version has the most passion and power to it. And only the live versions finally resolve (with an open 5th).
Yay I'm so happy you're covering this song it is my favorite Genesis song I think I ask you one time to add it to your greatest keyboard songs another great song off this album I think it's called misunderstanding
Great songs. I used to play Rochester New York a lot in the late 70s and early 80s at a club called the Penny Arcade. My band (805) played a lot of Genesis covers including the two songs mentioned here. Turn It On was a huge hit that included odd meters, plus interesting harmony and chord progressions.. what happened to Pop music?
This is what happens when a group of talented musicians are given time to think, time to explore, time to look outside the norm.., music now is too formulaic nothing really stands out. I’ve not missed a UK Genesis tour since 1980 the Duke tour, brilliant band..🤘
Thank you very much for chosing Genesis songs again! Hope you will be interviewing Genesis members in the near future. Tony Banks is my top candidate because he is a master of chord progression!
This is a very important album to me (I also graduated high school in 80). My fav song on the album is the song before called Heathaze. Partly because of the lyrics and also because of the bass lines. It just spoke to me at that lost time as a college freshman. This is a great album that defines the pivot from the prog rock when Gabriel left and the pop rock that was to follow. I love the former and I kinda checked out after Duke and kept following Peter Gabriel’s journey.
Fantastic song and the one that got me seriously into Genesis. I loved it so much that I ended up translating guitar tab so I could play it on keyboard. It was tricky but so satisfying.
Tony Banks loved to play lots of chords over single bass notes…in Supper’s Ready in the 9/8 part he creates tension release and more tension over that riff, he said it gives him free reign to do what he wants
Yes it does. And still one moron critic, back in 1980, admiring Phil's Face Value wrote this: _Behind The Lines_, another fine song on Phil's debut album, apparently was written by and for Genesis. I neither know nor want to check how it sounded performed by that band but here it is great._ Just another example of post-punk utter idiocy where critics openly scorned everything they associated with prog.
Pete Townsend used the pedal points in Pinball Wizard. The whole intro is a bunch of chords over one note. He even said in an interview he was fooling around with all the chords he could play over that one anchor note and that’s how he came up with the song.
I recall Rutherford saying that he typically tunes the high E string to D. I wonder if that's true for this tune? Though, with your ear, I'm sure you would have caught that. I've been watching for years, love the channel!
The harmonies made this music interesting for me to play in my the car during touring in the 1980s, fun you are talking about this now! Also Steely Dan
Phil Collins talked about this song and said that Mike Rutherford (edit: I had originally remembered it as Tony Banks talking about it) wanted to just write straight-ahead song, something not so "prog". Tony Banks played it for Phil Collins and Phil told him it was in 13. I guess they had a pretty laugh about it because Mike (not Tony) was somewhat taken aback that it wasn't straight 4 like he thought it was. Such a great song no matter what the time signature(s).
Sorry but you got it wrong. The first part in 13/8 was written by Rutherford and Collins told him: "Do you know this is in 13?" and he had no idea that it was. Banks wrote the second part over C in 4/4.
WTF are you talking about? This was a leftover riff from Rutherfords Smallcreeps Day Album which Phil suggested increasing the tempo and that made into 13 for an extra beat every 4 bars, Words and Music, Mike Rutherford
Turn It On Again is actually not solely written by Banks. The guitar riff and the lyrics are written by Mike. I believe the vocal melodies are written by Phil. I'm pretty sure the C-pedal part is written by Tony because it sounds like it was written with keyboards rather than guitar. Also, it is maybe the most harmonically dense part of the song, and Banks often was the one who came up with the weirdest and most complex bits. I think the rest of the parts were written together as a group.
Taylor Swift - Blank Space… I thought when I heard that… Taylor Swift being influenced by Michael Rutherford of Genesis… nice! Also, Anti Hero is very Peter Gabriel influenced… of course with Taylor’s twist… I must be open and give her credit… she is very crafty. Give these two a listen and tell us what you think. Clearly it’s not Genesis, but very clever.
Phil, Tony and Mike wrote the big hits mostly together though. Tony's main responsibility as a writer in Genesis was to craft many of their bombastic prog rock epics.
Tony was the primary for practically everything Genesis ever did. Even the few songs he didn't write, he was great at adding mood and depth. Under rated keyboardist, no matter where anyone ranks him.
I think Dukes Travels and Dukes End was a great ending to to the album. My favorite Genesis album is 'A Trick of the Tail". Tony Banks was the main contributor to the album. He should be up there with Kieth Emerson and Rick Wakeman.
God I Love Turn It On Again. I think the Phil Collins years as front man didn't get the respect they deserved. Phil always stood in Peter Gabriel's shadow, but this song grabs you in the gut and reminds you why they were so commercially successful in later years.
Totally agree that Paddy McAloon deserves an episode or two. Far too many uk songwriters such as Squeezes’Glen Tilbrook/ Chris Difford, XTC’s Andy Partridge/ Colin Moulding, Joe Jackson Midge Ure of Ultravox go unrecognised but their songs still sound so fresh 40 years on!
I was born in 1980. I learned "Dear Prudence" a month ago, then "Tie Your Mother Down" by Queen, started learning "Turn it on again" & saw the Kirk Hammett interview the next day. I'm working on learning "Under Pressure" & if I need a break from learning the opening triads, I work on learning Genesis. I also saw the Ian Thornley interview. I got into Foo Fighters in the summer of 98, then saw Big Wreck in early 99 & they're both my favourite bands. My parents aren't musicians but they liked music, my brother & I grew up listening to The Beatles, Queen, Dire Straits, Tom Petty, The Eurythmics, Roxette, Jimmy Buffet, Elton John, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, Genesis, The Cars, etc. I got into Led Zeppelin later on. I teach beginner guitar lessons or whatever I know that they want to learn. My brother & I were in a band until I got & survived brain cancer in February of 2008. I'm fine but I'm in a wheelchair & wear an eye patch on my left eye. I was a lead singer/rhythm guitarist, so I figured I could go deeper into guitar & teach for a slightly bigger pay check than my disability check that just covers our mortgage. Music has helped me in many ways, so it's nice to see other people appreciating it!
Check out Keep it Dark by Genesis.. that one will really blow your mind with the time signature. The drums, keyboards everything come together for a crazy sound..
As soon as you mentioned odd time signatures I knew you had to be talking about Turn It On Again. This is my very favorite Genesis album, was 17 when it came out. Bought it based on hearing this song and Misunderstanding on the radio. Fell in love with Behind the Lines and really the whole album, but my favorite song is the opening track.
Great Genesis song, one of my faves from the summer of '80. Phil actually opens and closes his hi-hat while he's playing it to get that unique, almost backwards sounding hi-hat.
The riff on "Turn It On Again" is brilliantly reprised and blended in with "Behind the Lines" in "Duke's End" to close the album...just an incredible climax. Arguably one of Genesis's greatest moments.
About 10 days ago was thinking I need Rick Beato to do a Genesis, and here it is! I play some Phil Collins tunes and just beautiful in C-Tuning, except In the Air Tonight, in D-Tune is just Classic!
But you couldn't get away nowadays with making fun of poor Mexicans trying to get into the USA. On top of it Collins sang in a fake accent. Terrible! But the chords of the verses are cool in Illegal Alien, that much is true.
@@stephanlandshuter5237- I'm not sure the term "illegal alien" applies any longer. There's no barriers and the government is just letting anyone waltz across the southern border. Still need a passport to get to and from Canada though. Why?
@@DRourk I guess that the members of Genesis themselves are embarrassed by this song and video now. Fake accent, fake moustaches, sombreros. They probably think: "Did we really find that funny back then? Why?"
There’s a really interesting video you can find online with Mike Rutherford who came up with the progression on guitar. So it is a guitar song. Apparently he plays it with alternate tuning.
Mike used an ARP Avitar guitar synth around this time. I believe it’s very possibly the core sound of the chords, and not Tony Banks just doubling a keyboard synth over the guitar riff. Sounds like the individual notes are portamento sliding in a way not typical for a polyphonic synthesizer but possible for a hex guitar pickup where each string has its own dedicated voice. Mike’s Smallcreep solo album has similar unusual guitar/synth sounds. So Rick, maybe this actually was a true guitar song all along?
Hi Rick! Would be great if you would interview Tony Banks and go into his compositions a little deeper. He's such a unique composer with chord sequences and changes only he does.
@@mikearchibald-u6gThere are a few interviews where he explains different sounds he uses and some of the ways how he writes music. There is one interview where he explains how he wrote the intro of Hold On My Heart and another on how he came up with the Apocalypse In 9/8 part in Supper's Ready and the composition of Firth Of Fifth.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 \I'll look for those, I'm not a musician so have limited knowledge of what they'd be talking about, but it sounds interesting. Especially Apocalypse, thats a great piece and was copied by Marillion in Grendel.
@@mikearchibald-u6g Don't worry about not understanding what Tony says in those interviews, I often get the sense that he tries to explain the harmony tricks he uses in a very easy way, not too much music theory language.
My favorite era of Genesis is from TTWT to Abacab. Duke was my entry to Genesis, and it's a special album for me and will always be my favorite. PC's drumming is out of this world, I would replay Duke's travel/ Duke's end. Also, from that time is MR's "Smallcreep's Day," a prog classic.
Man-o-man! If i found a genie and got 3 wishes, it would be to go back to this time in music! Remember hewring this stuff as a kid fresh from Jamaica to Canada (actually, this was a few years after i had already lived in Canada). I could t get enough!!! Listen to the MAMOTH sound! Wow!
Underrated song writer, very talented. Genesis is one of the rare few bands that was really great and stayed great despite losing their main talent and changing their entire sound.
This continuous bass note you refer to, prominent in many popular songs, but frequent in Genesis’ work; it is a component of the ancient music of many cultures. And, it is a feature of many instruments (think bagpipes and the continuous drone pipes playing while melody is fingered on the chanter), including Celtic music and music from Persia and the far east and pacific islands. I think it’s primal. It must interact with the brain in a very basic way, because audiences may consciously observe that this is monotonous or boring and yet we are drawn to it again and again. I love artists like Genesis, and others who innovate by incorporating approaches from several millennia in the past.
Rick love all your video's especially the interview - please please PLEASE interview Eddie Kramer - if possible - for Hendrix naturally.... there's not many guys left who knew and worked with Jimi left.....
Kashmir leaps to mind as an extreme example of the use of a pedal tone. The beginning of Yes’ “And You And I” is another example that comes to mind. The pedal note in the guitar part is clear, but the sparse bass figure that’s played under it before the bass starts playing its counter-melody is another pedal. I would even say that the bass under the main riff of Smoke On the Water (that you covered in a recent video) is holding a pedal note.
If you listen to the opening of Return of the Giant Hogweed you'll hear that in its ultimate version, it's still hard for me to distinguish between the two.
Man o man if you could interview Mike Phil or Tony it would be unreal. These guys were absolute Master Musicians when they worked together sans solo careers....❤
Rick i'm the same age as you by a few months... and you have made me sad today. 😔 To remember that a song this complex and musical use to be a big hit with the general listeners and they all dug it.... then to compare that to what is considered a 'hit' today, being an accomplished pro musician myself for over 45yrs.... this makes me sad. Sad for the future of popular music.
Ok. Rick Beato should receive and honorific Polar Prize. I'm not kidding. What he is doing to make people know/love/understand music and musicians more and more is out of this world. Is a labour of love. You can really feel this guy loves music as much as he knows musical theory. And how he mixes love and knowledge to make everybody enjoy music even more... Not to speak about his incredible clever interviews wirh musicians. Keep on going Rick, you're work is incredible!!!
A quote of this video says it all: “There is something amazing here: A band like this was massively big, and they did this really sophisticated music, but made it so commercial. That’s what really is the genius of Genesis, … and frankly the genius of Phil Collins as a solo-artist.”
That’s what I’ve always thought of genesis. They made progressive sounding songs, yet we’re able to create radio songs out of them. They had wide mass appeal, yet maintained progressive non standard chord progressions. It’s one of the things that made them special.
Great stuff Rick. Love how you explain these songs I've known all my life. Did'nt realise how complex this was. I was lucky enough to see Genesis on the Duke tour, Southampton UK 1980.
This song deserves a separate 'What Makes This Song Great' video! The whole Duke album is so good🔥
that is one great profile pic, dear fellow youtube user
Duke's their best album, it's as simple as that.
I agree its one of their best, and kind of forgotten
Ice Spice passes for music on SNL? Please bring Genesis back...
@@soothsayerbh1038I do not agree. It is awful. After And Then There Were Three I gave up …
Rick, if you haven't already done this song, Squonk deserves an episode, another fascinating Genesis song in its own right.
The song that Completely slammed the Progressive rock door Open for me!! After hearing it I couldn't get enough!!
“Riding The Scree” from Lamb might be my favorite example of this in Genesis’s catalog. The feeling of Mike’s one bass note fighting against Tony’s solo and chords the entire song, is amazing! And in 9/4 as well. Please do more Genesis vids! and even cooler if you could interview any of them
and the mad work of Collins!
My vote is "Home by the Sea". The haunting theme throughout the entire song is what gets me.
Absolutely, yes!
Both songs are timeless
My favourite Genesis song. Phil's vocal is superb.
That’s a masterpiece indeed!
My favorite Genesis song, one hundo p
One of the coolest and most complicated Genesis "hits" for sure! I know it would be really self indulgent Rick, but I think it would be really cool if you broke down Suppers Ready piece by piece, section by section. It might take an hour to do but would be really fun.
Genesis touring guitarist Daryl Stuermer included an amazing cover in his record Another side of Genesis back in 2000. In fact, I reckon that Rick could consider interviewing Daryl who has great experience with Genesis, Phil Collins, Jean-Luc Ponty, George Duke and many more big names, without forgetting his solo career
Genesis is my all-time favorite band, because of the variety of songs from their early Peter Gabriel days and especially through the Phil Collins albums. Such a unique collection of songs.
I've seen videos of 70s prog rock Genesis and Phil Collins is a MONSTER drummer, singing backing vocals like a boss while playing crazy time signature stuff. I know he's famous for playing drums in the 80s on stuff like In the Air Tonight, but that song doesn't do him justice. He is a beast drummer who deserves even more fan attention than he already gets. I know he's not a good physical shape these days and can't play drums anymore, but I hope he lives a long happy time and gets comfortable. He is a lesser-known drum god in my opinion.
The interplay between Phil and Chester on Seconds Out is some of the best drumming you'll ever hear, also, recorded and mixed perfectly.
He never got enough attention on his drumming, at least in the mainstream. That's what really made him, what he loved most, what he did well, and why he wrote such great music. A master at drumming and able to play so many styles fluidly.
Phil got a lot of crap once he became huge and you couldn't miss him. People fixated on his soft stuff and didn't realize he was truly brilliant at heavy rock, particularly with his work in the 70s. These doubters only need to witness his drumming, especially in the true prog years, and especially when live. Absolutely astounding stuff.
Phil has recorded possibly my all time favourite drum track, Down And Out.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 ... Indeed a GREAT track. He fills spaces in the music brilliantly, in between Banks's notes and such.
You must be young. He was so over exposed in the 80’s he had to disappear. He wrote some great songs and a few dumb ones too.
It’s the perfect opening for their Three Sides Live album, which was a revelation for me as a young college student. Still one of my fave live albums ever
Agree great album both the us and UK versions
Right on. Me, too.
Yep. The In the Cage medley is awesome.
Cranked it up the other day, just pure brilliance. Then I had a thought that I did the same thing over 40 years ago. Crikey! Genesis had such a unique sound, no-one sounded like them and no-one ever will.
Duke album to me is so underrated and one of the best albums of all time
Heathaze is one of my all-time favorite Genesis songs.
Tony's solo on Duke's Travels is so good. Maybe second to Riding The Scree.
I used to binge/repeat listen to this back in the day. I still love it.
Good take here. Duke is excellent as a collection and concept, listening to it whole, in sequence.
I think it is their most musical and melodic album. It's just great melody over great melody the whole way through
I remember this song came on in the car when my Dad was driving us to Scotland and I fell in love with it. It's not often you remember when you first heard a song. I asked my brother who it was. I was 14
I'm a keyboard player who absolutely idolizes Tony Banks & Genesis- this is one of my all-time favorites!!!! (I wish I could throw a song like this out to my band- they would laugh me out of the room)
Genesis have often spoken about their love of Motown. Turn It On Again is their tribute to that genre. Rutherford came up with the rhythmic riff on guitar. The debate over timing was also correct. Rutherford thought it was 4/4, Collins pointed out it was 13 beats but resolved anyway!
I have no idea frankly what this song has to do with Motown. Collins' solo records are full of Motown tributes, but Rutherford and Banks, who are the main writers of Turn It On Again, rather came from other places, f.e. The Beatles or The Nice. But there is one song on Duke which is a nod to Motown: Misunderstanding. Not surprisingly it's written by Phil Collins.
I think of it as a 12/4 with one quarter note added
I always think of it as alternating measures of 6 and 7 beats.
80s Genesis is the most unique Genesis, and I will stand by that. The 70s stuff is great, but prog bands were everywhere. Not so much in the 80s mixing pop synth and drum machines in. Awesome.
@@AllofJudeaThe early Genesis sounded quite similar to other prog bands of the time but I'd say from The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway onwards they started to sound very unique.
Favorite Genesis song, transports me back to winter 1980-81. My last year of High School.☺
Same here!
Love this Rick! The joy on your face going thru the songs. Don’t think you would mind but Tom Bukovac does three old Genesis tracks with Sarah and they are sensational, Ripples in particular.
❤big Tom Bukovac fan I am
Tom Bukavacs style needs to shown to the people.
Mike Rutherford is an unsung hero of the 12-String guitar.
"Ripples"
I saw them do this on the Duke tour at the Philadelphia Spectrum, summer of 1980. It was fantastic to hear Chester Thompson and Phil Collins playing together!
I remember the Spectrum! Rock on baby bubba....
Philly rocks. We were the ones who supported and sold out the greatest bands before everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Genesis, Yes, Kansas, Jean Luc, Dixie Dregs. I contend we just have great taste but WIOQ (Harvey in particular) was a MAJOR factor in exposing us to the best music at the time.
Me too!
One of the biggest Genesis fans on the planet ! Love ALL Genesis. Drove from Tucson to the Hollywood Bowl to see what turned out was the last show on that Turn it on Again tour. 2007. Think that was the last performance as a band, before the whole Phil sitting in a chair thing. So on one hand I'm privileged to have seen it, but on the other very sad. Of course it rained that day. Genesis is a Musical Treasure !!!
_One of the biggest Genesis fans on the planet_. So you're speaking about me :-)
Live in concert Genesis' Taurus bass pedals ROCKED. You could feel it through your whole body and it was epic within their music. They were so dramatic and Phil drumming so brilliant.
I liked “Misunderstanding” but bought the Duke album because of this song. I was so fascinated with the time, and just their SOUND. So cool. Still a fave. High school years… fun
That was the song that ended my love of Genesis! :(
Great look at this song, i've always loved this song and this album. I was only 7 when this was released but my uncle was a huge Genesis/Phil Collins fan so i was educated to their music around 1982/3 🙂
Many bands have an album that is the turning point between old and new. An album that keeps some of the old sounds and signatures but also moves forward with new sounds and a new direction. Duke is that album for Genesis.
True story. I was never very into what came after
Would you agree Tormato is the one for Yes? Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures an equivalent pair for Rush?
Whole Duke album is a masterpiece.
Great song Rick!! The bass licks are so cool. Thx for covering this song.
Great song. Its awesome that you are big Genesis fan. So many ppl dont know Genesis prior to Abacab. Best stuff. Interview Tony, Mike or Phil!!!!!!!!
Genesis really were the masters of the pedal point. "Supper's Ready" has some of the best examples of this technique ("Ikhnaton and Its-a-Con and Their Band of Merry Men" and ""Apocalypse in 9/8"), not to mention the entire keyboard solo section of "Cinema Show."
Really enjoy and appreciate how you elucidate the creativity and skill behind music we heard for decades and took for granted. I have enough background in music to appreciate the theory and composing but found myself always chasing virtuosos of technical ability while dismissing the beautiful of composition and the magic of the studio production. Very cool content. Thank you for bringing the behind the scenes world to light.
Thank you Ric, just love Genesis, can't get enough to them
I seem to remember hearing that the riff was Mike Rutherford, who thought it was in fours until Phil Collins gave him pelters for it being in 13s - “bloody typical guitarist” was Collins’ comment, after having to count it out to prove it. Might be my memory playing tricks to be fair…
True
They kept the bass note the same all the time because Rutherford found himself having to play bass and guitar simultaneously after Hackett left (certainly on the jam-based songs), and he wasn't particularly good at moving around the Taurus bass pedals while playing guitar at the same time. Many other Genesis songs have this from ATTW3 on. Even though he probably got better at it, it became a big part of the sound of Genesis's trio era.
Not exclusive to that era either. They had the pedals since at least Selling England. Plenty of double-guitar songs where they use the Taurus for the lower end. It just took a while for Rutherford to feel the need to improve.
The irreplaceable Mr. Hackett. ❤
Yeah but they did it already back on Supper's Ready and Watcher of the Sky and I think something from Nursery Cryme, so it's ultimately a composer choice
Banks plays the bass pedals on this
@@marcoantonioperin2187hackett left before Duke
I would have thought that Mike could have recorded his bass part separately and for live concerts, either he or Darryl could play the bass part. I think it was more of a composer's choice to keep it to one bass note at a time.
Dear Rick, thank you so much for this video. I am a Genesis fan for 40 years because I love their fantastic compositions. Many people I know hate Genesis due to their 80s stuff. I think they are the best composers (together with the Beatles). John Frusciante also said that in an interview a few months ago. Hope they will receive even more appreciation in the future. By the way, the main riff is composed as a guitar riff by Mike Rutherford. (so it is actually a guitar song 😊). I would love if you talk more about the pedal approach in Genesis (e.g. the fantastic end of Supper’s Ready). Best
The best version of this song was during the 3 Sides Live Tour. 1) They increased the tempo from 128 to 132 bpm; 2) All those layers of keyboards were replaced by a sole Yamaha CP-70 electric grand piano (which was also buried somewhere in the studio version). This is my all time favorite song because of all the quirks you mention. Between the meter changes and the use of the pedal point, there is so much unresolved tension here, much like in my own life. The 3 Sides Live version has the most passion and power to it. And only the live versions finally resolve (with an open 5th).
Funny, I dislike that version. But tastes vary
Yay I'm so happy you're covering this song it is my favorite Genesis song I think I ask you one time to add it to your greatest keyboard songs another great song off this album I think it's called misunderstanding
I absolutely LOVE pedal tones. The chordal movement around the pedal note adds incredible tension and release.
Great songs. I used to play Rochester New York a lot in the late 70s and early 80s at a club called the Penny Arcade. My band (805) played a lot of Genesis covers including the two songs mentioned here. Turn It On was a huge hit that included odd meters, plus interesting harmony and chord progressions.. what happened to Pop music?
Always loved this song. Love hearing how so many musicians love this song too
There's also a breakdown in back-in-black where pedal-point is used and it is freaking awesome
This is what happens when a group of talented musicians are given time to think, time to explore, time to look outside the norm.., music now is too formulaic nothing really stands out. I’ve not missed a UK Genesis tour since 1980 the Duke tour, brilliant band..🤘
Thank you very much for chosing Genesis songs again!
Hope you will be interviewing Genesis members in the near future.
Tony Banks is my top candidate because he is a master of chord progression!
1980 - Phil was coming into his own as a kick ass front man. His melodies and vocal power was taking shape - Genesis - best band ever!
True story
"You can't dance to it." -Phil Collins. "Turn it on" 6/4 "Turn it on again" 7/4. Genius. Genesis! Thank you Rick.
The intro is epic and the song rocks. Transition from art rock to pop and one of the best in both.
This is a very important album to me (I also graduated high school in 80). My fav song on the album is the song before called Heathaze. Partly because of the lyrics and also because of the bass lines. It just spoke to me at that lost time as a college freshman. This is a great album that defines the pivot from the prog rock when Gabriel left and the pop rock that was to follow. I love the former and I kinda checked out after Duke and kept following Peter Gabriel’s journey.
Heathaze is the only track that comes close to old school genesis
Fantastic song and the one that got me seriously into Genesis. I loved it so much that I ended up translating guitar tab so I could play it on keyboard. It was tricky but so satisfying.
Daryl Stuermer played the bass pedal live too!
Immediately goose bumps hearing the first notes.....great song.
Tony Banks loved to play lots of chords over single bass notes…in Supper’s Ready in the 9/8 part he creates tension release and more tension over that riff, he said it gives him free reign to do what he wants
And he played his solo in 4/4, while the band was playing in 9/8! Who else would do that?
You’re right!
Behind the Lines smokes. Best song on Duke.
Yes indeed!
Yes it does. And still one moron critic, back in 1980, admiring Phil's Face Value wrote this: _Behind The Lines_, another fine song on Phil's debut album, apparently was written by and for Genesis. I neither know nor want to check how it sounded performed by that band but here it is great._ Just another example of post-punk utter idiocy where critics openly scorned everything they associated with prog.
Pete Townsend used the pedal points in Pinball Wizard. The whole intro is a bunch of chords over one note. He even said in an interview he was fooling around with all the chords he could play over that one anchor note and that’s how he came up with the song.
I recall Rutherford saying that he typically tunes the high E string to D. I wonder if that's true for this tune? Though, with your ear, I'm sure you would have caught that. I've been watching for years, love the channel!
The harmonies made this music interesting for me to play in my the car during touring in the 1980s, fun you are talking about this now! Also Steely Dan
Yep, got the LP too... Soooo great, time to u dust all my LPs!
It really needs a long follow up video! ❤
Phil Collins talked about this song and said that Mike Rutherford (edit: I had originally remembered it as Tony Banks talking about it) wanted to just write straight-ahead song, something not so "prog". Tony Banks played it for Phil Collins and Phil told him it was in 13. I guess they had a pretty laugh about it because Mike (not Tony) was somewhat taken aback that it wasn't straight 4 like he thought it was. Such a great song no matter what the time signature(s).
Sorry but you got it wrong. The first part in 13/8 was written by Rutherford and Collins told him: "Do you know this is in 13?" and he had no idea that it was. Banks wrote the second part over C in 4/4.
Lol. The most prog of all pop songs.
@@stephanlandshuter5237 Gotcha, that sounds more gooderer correcter, lol Been a long time since I saw the interview.
Good take, here. And it does move really nicely in the transitions between the 13/8 theme and the portion in 4/4.
WTF are you talking about? This was a leftover riff from Rutherfords Smallcreeps Day Album which Phil suggested increasing the tempo and that made into 13 for an extra beat every 4 bars, Words and Music, Mike Rutherford
Turn It On Again is actually not solely written by Banks. The guitar riff and the lyrics are written by Mike. I believe the vocal melodies are written by Phil. I'm pretty sure the C-pedal part is written by Tony because it sounds like it was written with keyboards rather than guitar. Also, it is maybe the most harmonically dense part of the song, and Banks often was the one who came up with the weirdest and most complex bits. I think the rest of the parts were written together as a group.
Taylor Swift - Blank Space… I thought when I heard that… Taylor Swift being influenced by Michael Rutherford of Genesis… nice! Also, Anti Hero is very Peter Gabriel influenced… of course with Taylor’s twist… I must be open and give her credit… she is very crafty. Give these two a listen and tell us what you think. Clearly it’s not Genesis, but very clever.
Crap, now I can no longer give Swift crap. I must respect.
Awesome stuff, Rick. Love it!
Thank you kindly!
I would love if you gave Tony Banks some much appreciated love. He was the principal song writer on many of there hits and is an incredible pianist
Phil, Tony and Mike wrote the big hits mostly together though. Tony's main responsibility as a writer in Genesis was to craft many of their bombastic prog rock epics.
Tony was the primary for practically everything Genesis ever did. Even the few songs he didn't write, he was great at adding mood and depth. Under rated keyboardist, no matter where anyone ranks him.
@@choppersquonk I know, man! He doesn’t get any recognition! It blows my mind how under appreciated he is
I think Dukes Travels and Dukes End was a great ending to to the album. My favorite Genesis album is 'A Trick of the Tail". Tony Banks was the main contributor to the album. He should be up there with Kieth Emerson and Rick Wakeman.
God I Love Turn It On Again. I think the Phil Collins years as front man didn't get the respect they deserved. Phil always stood in Peter Gabriel's shadow, but this song grabs you in the gut and reminds you why they were so commercially successful in later years.
Duke - Genesis, one of my favorite Albuns! Thx Mister Beato.
ha was just listening to Genesis/Phil Collins non-stop lastnight. great stuff!
I LOVE hidden complexity. SO wonderful - something for everyone
I love Genesis - thank you for these videos, Rick.
Paddy McAloon deserves an episode or 2 on your channel for his compositions ability, and Genesis are all time legends of course.
Totally agree that Paddy McAloon deserves an episode or two. Far too many uk songwriters such as Squeezes’Glen Tilbrook/ Chris Difford, XTC’s Andy Partridge/ Colin Moulding, Joe Jackson Midge Ure of Ultravox go unrecognised but their songs still sound so fresh 40 years on!
YES YES YES YES YES!!!
yessss Paddy!! and yes for XTC and the others - I would add Green Gartside from Scritti Politti
Here here! Paddy McAloon is the unsung and under-rated hero.
I was born in 1980. I learned "Dear Prudence" a month ago, then "Tie Your Mother Down" by Queen, started learning "Turn it on again" & saw the Kirk Hammett interview the next day. I'm working on learning "Under Pressure" & if I need a break from learning the opening triads, I work on learning Genesis. I also saw the Ian Thornley interview. I got into Foo Fighters in the summer of 98, then saw Big Wreck in early 99 & they're both my favourite bands. My parents aren't musicians but they liked music, my brother & I grew up listening to The Beatles, Queen, Dire Straits, Tom Petty, The Eurythmics, Roxette, Jimmy Buffet, Elton John, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, Genesis, The Cars, etc. I got into Led Zeppelin later on. I teach beginner guitar lessons or whatever I know that they want to learn. My brother & I were in a band until I got & survived brain cancer in February of 2008. I'm fine but I'm in a wheelchair & wear an eye patch on my left eye. I was a lead singer/rhythm guitarist, so I figured I could go deeper into guitar & teach for a slightly bigger pay check than my disability check that just covers our mortgage. Music has helped me in many ways, so it's nice to see other people appreciating it!
Check out Keep it Dark by Genesis.. that one will really blow your mind with the time signature. The drums, keyboards everything come together for a crazy sound..
Hope you interview Genesis.. before it's too late.. ;)
My favorite Post-PG Genesis song, period. Great video.
As soon as you mentioned odd time signatures I knew you had to be talking about Turn It On Again. This is my very favorite Genesis album, was 17 when it came out. Bought it based on hearing this song and Misunderstanding on the radio. Fell in love with Behind the Lines and really the whole album, but my favorite song is the opening track.
Great Genesis song, one of my faves from the summer of '80. Phil actually opens and closes his hi-hat while he's playing it to get that unique, almost backwards sounding hi-hat.
I saw the headline for this and KNEW it was this song! Just listened to it yesterday.
Ooooh for some reason I KNEW it was that one! My favorite off the whole album, looove it!❤
The riff on "Turn It On Again" is brilliantly reprised and blended in with "Behind the Lines" in "Duke's End" to close the album...just an incredible climax. Arguably one of Genesis's greatest moments.
About 10 days ago was thinking I need Rick Beato to do a Genesis, and here it is! I play some Phil Collins tunes and just beautiful in C-Tuning, except In the Air Tonight, in D-Tune is just Classic!
Illegal Alien from the Genesis LP is another "non guitar song" that's really cool.
But you couldn't get away nowadays with making fun of poor Mexicans trying to get into the USA. On top of it Collins sang in a fake accent. Terrible!
But the chords of the verses are cool in Illegal Alien, that much is true.
@@stephanlandshuter5237- I'm not sure the term "illegal alien" applies any longer. There's no barriers and the government is just letting anyone waltz across the southern border. Still need a passport to get to and from Canada though. Why?
@@DRourk I guess that the members of Genesis themselves are embarrassed by this song and video now. Fake accent, fake moustaches, sombreros. They probably think: "Did we really find that funny back then? Why?"
Because it was a long bloody time ago, ok? Maybe they could change the lyrics though.
So many examples!!! Thank you again Rick!!!
There’s a really interesting video you can find online with Mike Rutherford who came up with the progression on guitar. So it is a guitar song. Apparently he plays it with alternate tuning.
Mike used an ARP Avitar guitar synth around this time. I believe it’s very possibly the core sound of the chords, and not Tony Banks just doubling a keyboard synth over the guitar riff. Sounds like the individual notes are portamento sliding in a way not typical for a polyphonic synthesizer but possible for a hex guitar pickup where each string has its own dedicated voice. Mike’s Smallcreep solo album has similar unusual guitar/synth sounds.
So Rick, maybe this actually was a true guitar song all along?
Rutherford on guitar, is known to tune his high-E string down a whole step to D. Please do more Genesis videos 🙏🏻
Rick, your success is definitely due to your talent and hard work. But also, you're just a good guy and that comes through. Keep it up!
Hi Rick! Would be great if you would interview Tony Banks and go into his compositions a little deeper. He's such a unique composer with chord sequences and changes only he does.
Yes!
True, all most people ask him are basic general questions or band politics.
@@mikearchibald-u6gThere are a few interviews where he explains different sounds he uses and some of the ways how he writes music. There is one interview where he explains how he wrote the intro of Hold On My Heart and another on how he came up with the Apocalypse In 9/8 part in Supper's Ready and the composition of Firth Of Fifth.
@@patepulkkinenvtec2403 \I'll look for those, I'm not a musician so have limited knowledge of what they'd be talking about, but it sounds interesting. Especially Apocalypse, thats a great piece and was copied by Marillion in Grendel.
@@mikearchibald-u6g Don't worry about not understanding what Tony says in those interviews, I often get the sense that he tries to explain the harmony tricks he uses in a very easy way, not too much music theory language.
My favorite era of Genesis is from TTWT to Abacab. Duke was my entry to Genesis, and it's a special album for me and will always be my favorite. PC's drumming is out of this world, I would replay Duke's travel/ Duke's end. Also, from that time is MR's "Smallcreep's Day," a prog classic.
Would love to hear some analysis of King Crimson in this format.
When will you talk about the Anthony Phillips/Steve Hackett-years of Genesis? 😉
Man-o-man! If i found a genie and got 3 wishes, it would be to go back to this time in music! Remember hewring this stuff as a kid fresh from Jamaica to Canada (actually, this was a few years after i had already lived in Canada). I could t get enough!!! Listen to the MAMOTH sound! Wow!
Genesis are my favourite band. Thank you for showing their master songwriting again Rick.
Always love ❤️ hearing the Phil Collins stuff 🎶
Underrated song writer, very talented. Genesis is one of the rare few bands that was really great and stayed great despite losing their main talent and changing their entire sound.
This continuous bass note you refer to, prominent in many popular songs, but frequent in Genesis’ work; it is a component of the ancient music of many cultures. And, it is a feature of many instruments (think bagpipes and the continuous drone pipes playing while melody is fingered on the chanter), including Celtic music and music from Persia and the far east and pacific islands. I think it’s primal. It must interact with the brain in a very basic way, because audiences may consciously observe that this is monotonous or boring and yet we are drawn to it again and again. I love artists like Genesis, and others who innovate by incorporating approaches from several millennia in the past.
Love how Rick's face lights up when he hears Genesis.
Rick love all your video's especially the interview - please please PLEASE interview Eddie Kramer - if possible - for Hendrix naturally.... there's not many guys left who knew and worked with Jimi left.....
I listen to this song quite often. Rick, you nailed this video
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I love when my two favourite bands😍 meet themselves.
God bless the squonk🥰
Kashmir leaps to mind as an extreme example of the use of a pedal tone. The beginning of Yes’ “And You And I” is another example that comes to mind. The pedal note in the guitar part is clear, but the sparse bass figure that’s played under it before the bass starts playing its counter-melody is another pedal. I would even say that the bass under the main riff of Smoke On the Water (that you covered in a recent video) is holding a pedal note.
This was in the charts when I started high school, great song
I remember hearing Tony and Mike talking about trying make guitars sound like keyboards and vice-versa. One of my favorites! Thanks Rick!
Good point, they sound like one big instrument!
If you listen to the opening of Return of the Giant Hogweed you'll hear that in its ultimate version, it's still hard for me to distinguish between the two.
Man o man if you could interview Mike Phil or Tony it would be unreal. These guys were absolute Master Musicians when they worked together sans solo careers....❤
Rick i'm the same age as you by a few months... and you have made me sad today. 😔
To remember that a song this complex and musical use to be a big hit with the general listeners and they all dug it.... then to compare that to what is considered a 'hit' today, being an accomplished pro musician myself for over 45yrs.... this makes me sad. Sad for the future of popular music.
Ok. Rick Beato should receive and honorific Polar Prize. I'm not kidding. What he is doing to make people know/love/understand music and musicians more and more is out of this world. Is a labour of love. You can really feel this guy loves music as much as he knows musical theory. And how he mixes love and knowledge to make everybody enjoy music even more... Not to speak about his incredible clever interviews wirh musicians. Keep on going Rick, you're work is incredible!!!
Even their "hits era" was still art rock.
A quote of this video says it all: “There is something amazing here: A band like this was massively big, and they did this really sophisticated music, but made it so commercial. That’s what really is the genius of Genesis, … and frankly the genius of Phil Collins as a solo-artist.”
I would argue the Phil's music was much less sophisticated, can't really compare his chords with Tony's.
That’s what I’ve always thought of genesis. They made progressive sounding songs, yet we’re able to create radio songs out of them. They had wide mass appeal, yet maintained progressive non standard chord progressions. It’s one of the things that made them special.
Another great thing is riffs that stay the same through changing harmonies like on Genesis “Keep it Dark”
Preach! I would love to watch Rick analyze Keep it Dark..such a different song. One of my all time favorites..
Great stuff Rick. Love how you explain these songs I've known all my life. Did'nt realise how complex this was. I was lucky enough to see Genesis on the Duke tour, Southampton UK 1980.
Have a great trip and gig with your pals! Rock on! Great vídeo, btw, as always