I graduated high school in 1985. I was taught to get my elbows as low as I could get and down the line, power punch, clam, step and escape. Interesting that now with the ‘new’ old rules everyone is standing up with straight arms. Seems weak unless you are super quick.
The longer time has gone on, the more people have realized speed beats strength. Watch pro players like TD or baptiste. Even with the old school stance, arms coiled up and low elbows means i have to unbend my elbows and wrists and push off my feet. That is a ton of wasted motion. Less time unbending means my body is using less motion to get to the ball, which makes it more efficient. Even as a power clamper myself, I know it doesnt matter how strong I am, if i dont get to the ball first my opponent will be gone before I have time to apply strong pressure. (Boxers dont throw quick jabs with bent elbows)
I think the elevator drill vs shooting down the line is a FOA vs FOF deal. My kid has been to both l, and the FOA is all about shooting down the line and the FOF seems to emphasize top rail more. So it makes since you guys differ on that. I feel like you can use botj depending on your opponent.
That is a good observation! many people also notice this about the two big companies, however I think it oversimplifies things quite a bit. for sake of video run time I removed a clip in which I detailed how going down the line is still important, it is the term of "sliding" that most all coaches steer clear from in order to avoid creating friction with the turf. However you are right in that I do believe that it is much easier to teach someone to slam down the line after they already know how to get over the ball (your body is naturally falling that direction in SNG), but it is very difficult to teach someone to get over the ball if they only know how to slam down the line. My next video will detail this, and how getting down the line is important and you should use whatever style you prefer, but if you slam ALL the way down the line before you flip your top side wall, you will inevitibly slide right off your opponents head as they will have already gotten the ball.
The only reason I don’t like the elevator drill is becouse it teaches you to bring your left hand up super far on the clamp which is not good. Lower the left hand the better for the most part. Keeps you safe from counters and keeps the ball more secure and lets you get under the opponents top sidewall
I think that is a valid concern. I would argue however that the elevator does not directly encourage the player to raise their left hand, it simply fails to address the habit and is impartial to the problem. This is because if you were to line up as normal with the head on the ground and then clamp using the downward motion which the elevator drill encourages, you will have achieved a clamp with your head flat on the ground before you have the ability to raise your left hand to an unnecessary height. Any motion after this would be easy to point out to the player, which would Segway into an entirely different lesson that I would teach. An example would be if I had a player showing unnecessary left hand motion in their clamp (ie an over emphasized pinch with the left hand too high like you’re saying), I would use an object to hold above the stick as a place marker to avoid hitting. Depends though, as some players can be seen in the NCAA that have styles which utilize the left hand coming up rather than forward or back that have great success. If you were truly worried however, you could use TD’s version where both hands start floating in the air, thus cementing a downward motion in both hands. You could also use another variant I like- the one handed right hand elevator drill that I often use to help players warm up.
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I graduated high school in 1985. I was taught to get my elbows as low as I could get and down the line, power punch, clam, step and escape. Interesting that now with the ‘new’ old rules everyone is standing up with straight arms. Seems weak unless you are super quick.
The longer time has gone on, the more people have realized speed beats strength. Watch pro players like TD or baptiste. Even with the old school stance, arms coiled up and low elbows means i have to unbend my elbows and wrists and push off my feet. That is a ton of wasted motion. Less time unbending means my body is using less motion to get to the ball, which makes it more efficient. Even as a power clamper myself, I know it doesnt matter how strong I am, if i dont get to the ball first my opponent will be gone before I have time to apply strong pressure. (Boxers dont throw quick jabs with bent elbows)
I think the elevator drill vs shooting down the line is a FOA vs FOF deal. My kid has been to both l, and the FOA is all about shooting down the line and the FOF seems to emphasize top rail more. So it makes since you guys differ on that. I feel like you can use botj depending on your opponent.
That is a good observation! many people also notice this about the two big companies, however I think it oversimplifies things quite a bit. for sake of video run time I removed a clip in which I detailed how going down the line is still important, it is the term of "sliding" that most all coaches steer clear from in order to avoid creating friction with the turf. However you are right in that I do believe that it is much easier to teach someone to slam down the line after they already know how to get over the ball (your body is naturally falling that direction in SNG), but it is very difficult to teach someone to get over the ball if they only know how to slam down the line. My next video will detail this, and how getting down the line is important and you should use whatever style you prefer, but if you slam ALL the way down the line before you flip your top side wall, you will inevitibly slide right off your opponents head as they will have already gotten the ball.
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The only reason I don’t like the elevator drill is becouse it teaches you to bring your left hand up super far on the clamp which is not good. Lower the left hand the better for the most part. Keeps you safe from counters and keeps the ball more secure and lets you get under the opponents top sidewall
I think that is a valid concern. I would argue however that the elevator does not directly encourage the player to raise their left hand, it simply fails to address the habit and is impartial to the problem. This is because if you were to line up as normal with the head on the ground and then clamp using the downward motion which the elevator drill encourages, you will have achieved a clamp with your head flat on the ground before you have the ability to raise your left hand to an unnecessary height. Any motion after this would be easy to point out to the player, which would Segway into an entirely different lesson that I would teach.
An example would be if I had a player showing unnecessary left hand motion in their clamp (ie an over emphasized pinch with the left hand too high like you’re saying), I would use an object to hold above the stick as a place marker to avoid hitting. Depends though, as some players can be seen in the NCAA that have styles which utilize the left hand coming up rather than forward or back that have great success.
If you were truly worried however, you could use TD’s version where both hands start floating in the air, thus cementing a downward motion in both hands. You could also use another variant I like- the one handed right hand elevator drill that I often use to help players warm up.
TD Ierlan likes the Elevator drill if your not going to take TJs word over Justins I would take TDs.