The way you explain about how lifts works and how it was made is making me learn lot more about lifts. I’ve been on many lifts and some lifts can accelerate very quickly.
I saw on a button at the end, a person in wheelchair symbol. When I first saw the video, where people get sent from the foyer to ground floor or first floor to take the lift. I assume there would be some way of always directing wheelchair users to the ground floor.
1:15 UOB Plaza Tower 2 in Singapore has a similar setup but omits lifts I & K & serves lifts A & B from floor 9 instead of the ground floor, probably to save even more lift shaft space (as the latter lifts' shafts can be wedged between lifts' C, D G & H's shafts) but would raise energy consumption, as people going to floors 5-8 from the ground floor would have to detour via floor 9
I believe it is an Kone Ecodisc MX100. MX40 wouldn't be powerful enough. MX40 does something around 1600kg @ 8.5 m/s. So at 3600kg that would be around 3.8 m/s. So this lift has to be a MX100.
@@jakewynn Ecodiscs are often installed in motor rooms. From weird ones with custom frames... th-cam.com/video/-NZLl30-S0s/w-d-xo.html To dual motor versions such as MX32 MX40 and MX100 th-cam.com/video/HrcUrkJJER0/w-d-xo.html
Thats how the twin works. Double decks usually don't work like this. They need to have 2 ground floors. They are exclusively for buildings that have the correct layout for people flow with a double deck lift.
Actually, some buildings that allow both upper and lower cars to serve all floors do not need Destination Dispatch. Take for example Republic Plaza. Both Lower and Upper Cars can serve all floors in the zone they are installed in.
The first 3 double deck scenarios could be done with relays. The 4th one that this video is about would be almost impossible. The amount of calculators involved would be crazy for relays to do. I could be possible for someone to invent such a thing, but there would be practical problems, such as the amount of space needed to house all the relays (probably be an entire room full of racks and racks of relays), and then there would be the added cost of all the relays, then the biggest problem would be that the originally engineers that maintain the lifts would not have the knowledge on how such a complex system would work. Actually the ThyssenKrupp twin is an example of this, as there are only a handful of Twins in the world and ThyssenKrupp has a dedicated team to maintain them who understand the system as an ordinary engineer would be clueless.
@@benolifts I mean, to be very fair, even these lifts have some people totally from the "Computer Science" land helping them. But given software today, it can all just live in the board, and you actually do not need dedicated people on site to just "set it up". But an ordinary engineer not understanding this even in an mechanical level still stands true, as the whole darn two cabs on a single frame, etc is not a very common thing, really amazing actually :P
@@hariranormal5584 I was more referring to that if the algorithm for this was created using relays, it could be more than 1000s relays. A normal engineer would not be able to fault find this. On this modern day system, a normal engineer should be able to maintain this, hopefully, although I would not trust a generic engineer to have a clue what they are doing on most proprietary lifts. Special engineers would be needed to set up the algorithm on this system when it is first installed as this would be something outside of a normal days work for most lift engineers.
@@benolifts Heh, it's probably anyways Kone and other "first tier lift companies" doing innovation. I never expect any generic engineer or any generic company to ever make double decker lifts because they simply are not your standard of the shelf thing, it's a quite propitary designs by Kone, etc. Would be amazing to see Mitsubishi varients of this of they have any
I think it is one thing to put full effort into creating an over the top prototype that makes loads of people and news reporters go "wow this is an amazing technical achievement". But it is a completely different thing to make a product that can be produced and sold, that sells for a price that people will buy, and that does a function well, and that is reliable. With ThyssenKrupps past record for futuristic lifts that are very unreliable (think of the over bridge lift and the Isis design). With the many many moving parts on Multi, and ThyssenKrupps poor reliability record, and the design being too dependent on software, and the lifts being side chassis for a skyscraper lift (no lift faster than 1 m/s should have a side chassis), to put it simply I would be shocked if ThyssenKrupp managed to pull this off.
@@benolifts and since you're here I have a suggestion for the building creator for skyscrapersim I'm not sure if you saw my comment I want an easy way to create a large number of floors have a button that brings up an interface where you type in dimensions and the number of floors you want
Destination Dispatch would be much better if it didn’t rely on those stupid touch screens (and no, that handicap button isn’t going to cut the mustard. It’s way too slow). Still would be nowhere near as fun to film.
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The way you explain about how lifts works and how it was made is making me learn lot more about lifts. I’ve been on many lifts and some lifts can accelerate very quickly.
Been watching you for years! Keep it up with your awesome content! 👍
Thanks
These lifts are awesome!
For some reason I can't stop watching this for how interesting the comparison of the twin and double decker car is.
Absolutely awesome. Fantastic video. Really interesting. I love your reaction. 😁
I saw on a button at the end, a person in wheelchair symbol. When I first saw the video, where people get sent from the foyer to ground floor or first floor to take the lift. I assume there would be some way of always directing wheelchair users to the ground floor.
you should totally try and simulate some ofv those setups you mention at the start in your upcoming skyscrapersim rewrite
1:15 UOB Plaza Tower 2 in Singapore has a similar setup but omits lifts I & K & serves lifts A & B from floor 9 instead of the ground floor, probably to save even more lift shaft space (as the latter lifts' shafts can be wedged between lifts' C, D G & H's shafts) but would raise energy consumption, as people going to floors 5-8 from the ground floor would have to detour via floor 9
Wow that’s really weird but amazing and cool. Also does it have an mx100 motor or mx40
Fantastic video I find thease lifts very interesting!
Can you show tram in golfenburg the new on?
What Ecodisc motor is used here? MX40? And have you seen a Kone KCE with a mechanical brake release yet? And how did you bypass the lift RFID card?
Trust me mate. It is NOT an ecodisk 🤣 it most definitely has a motor room
I believe it is an Kone Ecodisc MX100. MX40 wouldn't be powerful enough. MX40 does something around 1600kg @ 8.5 m/s. So at 3600kg that would be around 3.8 m/s. So this lift has to be a MX100.
@@jakewynn Ecodiscs are often installed in motor rooms. From weird ones with custom frames...
th-cam.com/video/-NZLl30-S0s/w-d-xo.html
To dual motor versions such as MX32 MX40 and MX100
th-cam.com/video/HrcUrkJJER0/w-d-xo.html
@@benolifts really? It seems to be too powerful for an ecodisk motor.
Ecodisc is the only motor that Kone make apart from their current counterweightless design
Very cool system. I wish there were more buildings with these.
how this double deck system works is the pit and top are bigger so that the bottom and top decks will be able to arrive at the same floor
Thats how the twin works. Double decks usually don't work like this. They need to have 2 ground floors. They are exclusively for buildings that have the correct layout for people flow with a double deck lift.
Wow really epic motor sounds
Actually, some buildings that allow both upper and lower cars to serve all floors do not need Destination Dispatch. Take for example Republic Plaza. Both Lower and Upper Cars can serve all floors in the zone they are installed in.
Imagine doing this with relays! This is not your standard lift, it's actually really complex. Wish we got to see the logic cabinet on this
The first 3 double deck scenarios could be done with relays. The 4th one that this video is about would be almost impossible. The amount of calculators involved would be crazy for relays to do. I could be possible for someone to invent such a thing, but there would be practical problems, such as the amount of space needed to house all the relays (probably be an entire room full of racks and racks of relays), and then there would be the added cost of all the relays, then the biggest problem would be that the originally engineers that maintain the lifts would not have the knowledge on how such a complex system would work. Actually the ThyssenKrupp twin is an example of this, as there are only a handful of Twins in the world and ThyssenKrupp has a dedicated team to maintain them who understand the system as an ordinary engineer would be clueless.
@@benolifts
I mean, to be very fair, even these lifts have some people totally from the "Computer Science" land helping them. But given software today, it can all just live in the board, and you actually do not need dedicated people on site to just "set it up".
But an ordinary engineer not understanding this even in an mechanical level still stands true, as the whole darn two cabs on a single frame, etc is not a very common thing, really amazing actually :P
@@hariranormal5584 I was more referring to that if the algorithm for this was created using relays, it could be more than 1000s relays. A normal engineer would not be able to fault find this. On this modern day system, a normal engineer should be able to maintain this, hopefully, although I would not trust a generic engineer to have a clue what they are doing on most proprietary lifts. Special engineers would be needed to set up the algorithm on this system when it is first installed as this would be something outside of a normal days work for most lift engineers.
@@benolifts
Heh, it's probably anyways Kone and other "first tier lift companies" doing innovation. I never expect any generic engineer or any generic company to ever make double decker lifts because they simply are not your standard of the shelf thing, it's a quite propitary designs by Kone, etc.
Would be amazing to see Mitsubishi varients of this of they have any
You had double deck lifts on your skyscrapersim
Hey Austin this is guys
Hey guys windows xpnt is very late 😂
Wow double deck Kone 💚
What's your opinion on the multi elevator
I think it is one thing to put full effort into creating an over the top prototype that makes loads of people and news reporters go "wow this is an amazing technical achievement". But it is a completely different thing to make a product that can be produced and sold, that sells for a price that people will buy, and that does a function well, and that is reliable. With ThyssenKrupps past record for futuristic lifts that are very unreliable (think of the over bridge lift and the Isis design). With the many many moving parts on Multi, and ThyssenKrupps poor reliability record, and the design being too dependent on software, and the lifts being side chassis for a skyscraper lift (no lift faster than 1 m/s should have a side chassis), to put it simply I would be shocked if ThyssenKrupp managed to pull this off.
@@benolifts and since you're here I have a suggestion for the building creator for skyscrapersim I'm not sure if you saw my comment I want an easy way to create a large number of floors have a button that brings up an interface where you type in dimensions and the number of floors you want
I could Imagone If they Added Stairs In the Double Deck Lifts
Yeah,
Like the ones in AquaDom
Destination Dispatch would be much better if it didn’t rely on those stupid touch screens (and no, that handicap button isn’t going to cut the mustard. It’s way too slow). Still would be nowhere near as fun to film.
It’s a lift bro
... a double decker lift though
@@donpoIlo2982 😂👍
But not just any lift
@@wisteela But a double decker lift!
@@wisteela it’s a double lift
Ha.ha.ha.ha
In TKE has already archive double dect lift in high rise building.
7:00 I could fit in that space.
The voiceover uses American English vocabulary despite still in British accent.
It wented fast
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What?
@@TheeSurfer this weirdo has like dozens of alts and all claim to "hack Beno" Probably a troll. Don't bother.
Once again you come to spam on Beno’s videos. 💩
Warner Home Video!!!
Stupid Kone with their "Elevator"
Funny how it's localised properly as lift on the destination consoles, right?
The voice should have said "Car A" as that would be more universal.
@@benolifts And indeed, that is what Schindler does.
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@@ahoj113 and ham
Arriva Midlands.
West Midlands Railway
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