$1,000 Water pump? On a Chevy Equinox? CAR WIZARD show how much this repair is like working on a BMW
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- How can the water pump on this 2012 Chevy Equinox really cost $1,000 to repair? Let the CAR WIZARD 🧙♂️ show you and you will understand how this repair reminds him of working on BMWs.
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Some folks wanna diss Wizard for charging $1k for the job in sub comments. Look, the man invests money in tools knowledge and other overhead costs. If you dont like what he charges, dont watch.
The man does honest work, and gives honest prices. If you dont think so talk to the man dont be a punk and comment under others to hide your comment. Be a grown up and stand on your own .
Dont like the charge. Go somewhere else. Dont call me when the cheaper shop breaks your car.
I wanna diss Wizard for charging 1000 for job. I woulda charged a lot more than that.
I agree. Good techs like Wizard, Eric O and Ivan deserve every penny they charge.
It is GM’s fault for such a stupid design. The Wizard ends up having to deal with it when it breaks. In a way, it makes me miss timing belts. I had an old Ford Escort where the water pump was driven off the timing belt. The water pump was replaced when the timing belt was replaced. Most of the labor was already done. One time the dealer didn’t replace the water pump with the belt. I was in college at the time and my dad was paying for it. Boy was he mad that it wasn’t changed at the same time because there was very little chance that the water pump was going to last 120k.
@@matt9c1 Ow yah definitely in fact I'd give them a 10r or 20 extra there that good.
Some years ago we almost bought a GMC Terrain. We were warned off of it's purchase by a trusted mechanic. I am glad we listened to him.
Just depends on the vehicle every brand has lemons.. My wife has drove our terrain for 5 years no issues 80k~ miles EDIT I did replace purge valve solenoid once 20$ did it myself in 30 min in 0 degree weather!
@@MrHadwiger 80k isn’t anything amazing. The 100k to 200k is the real test. If she hits 250-300k then that was a good car. Or if she ever sacrifices some or all of herself in accident to keep your family safe.
10-20 years ago Chevys were great cars. Now they're junk. Just buy a Toyota or a Honda.
194K on my 2010 Equinox AWD with the 2.4. Bought it new and I can’t remember any major issues. Wiper linkage had to be replaced 2x is all that comes to mind.
@@1337penguinman I call bullshit on that too. Everything Chevy made in the 2000s wouldn't look out of place rotting in a trailer park. Should have gone straight to the crusher from the factory and saved people time, money and headache. Honda & Toyota you're right though.
Next on Hovies Garage: "I bought the cheapest Equinox in the USA and it needs a water pump"
thanks planned obsolescence that we can get such cheap used suv lol
I think the older ones came with the 3400 V6. The 2800/3100/3400/3500 engines have the world's easiest water pump to replace! Right at the top near the radiator, loosen belt, remove pulley bolts, remove water pump bolts, and its out.
bigpjohnson we have a 3900 impala and there fairly decent to replace the water pump to
I used to own a 95 Saturn SL1, hardest part about changing the water pump on it was getting the pully off because of the clearence between the frame and the pully bolts. Had to jack up the engine to be able to get them out, other then that fairly straight forward process.. Guess I couldn't complain though compared to this nightmare here.
someone needs to design an LS swap kit for these junk Chevys
At this point in my life, I've come to realize that an honest mechanic is worth what he charges.
I moved and went to a local one and asked for maintenance and he told me to get lost- I didnt need it yet come back in 30k miles. I was over the moon.
I am not poor by any means but do my own work because of the mechanics that have screwed up my vehicles. I would love to find a good mechanic and pay what they are worth.
@@gregeoryl Mechanics also pick & choose which customers vehicle they'll follow the maint. schedule to a T. Other ppl like welfare queens, poor ppl, etc they'll spot serious problems & not say anything & let those customers vehicles have catastrophic failures. Or outright break all sorts of lines, hoses, sensors etc to drive up reassembly costs.
Sucker.
I'm absolutely stunned by the level of "engineering" going on in vehicles and engines these days. Not long ago i did both water pump and thermostat on a Jeep 4.0 and a Ford 4.9 (both with mechanical fan) in about 3 hours combined for CAD $73 in parts. no special tools, no extra part removal required, no BS, no problems. The automotive industry is a complete race to the bottom these days. I can understand why this is a thousand dollar job, you gotta turn yourself into a pretzel to get in there.
I can reengineering is the culprit for high repair cost Why can't they just KISS (keep it simple stupid)
Finally, GM has caught up to BMW, as they've always wanted! What a great American success story!
Wizard owns the most unreliable SUV brand on the market, as proven time and time again by the statistics. Land / Range Rover. He uses BMW as to not make himself look the fool he is.
@@M4rt_FX At least he can fix the stupid things himself.
@@M4rt_FX it actually has a Ford engine in it and He also knows how to work on his car
@@SDZKProductions
You’ve missed the point. It’s not about his car, it’s about his opinion on the brands. In labelling BMW has THE brand as the unreliable / expensive default comparison. Land / Range Rover are worse, the statistics confirm it year after year, end of story.
@@paulparoma
Irrelevant to my point. It’s his opinion on relating to a particular brand when referencing reliability. I couldn’t care less if he can fix his own car or not, I’m sure he can.
The stories about BMW owners really hits home. Just a few weeks back we had a sweet old lady bring her grandson's 3 series in. He'd just bought it, despite her stern warnings, and he spent all the money he had on the purchase. Anyway, of course it had oil leaks galore, totally failed front shocks, every tyre was a different size, plus a few more issues...
The stupid kid then blames his grandma for letting him buy it, then makes her pay for the repairs!! Never met the kid but someone needs to slap some sense in to him....
Told him to pay for it himself? Such entitlement...
My first car wizard video. Well done. I was a maintenance tech in an auto assembly plant in the eighties. Watched how cars are layered together With no thought to ever fixing anything. I respect the skills of guys like wizard and the dealer techs but holy hell, that’s gotta be one of the most frustrating jobs on earth. I’ve got a 2014 four banger equinox coming up on 80 k miles, made in Tennessee. No problems ever, just praying now my water pump hangs in there.
A lot of them are made in Canada including the cobalt GMC terrain etc.. and Canada sells alot of problem fixers like special blow-by oil caps, Aunt oil canister some things that allow the oil to stay in the engine at the same time. Most the Chevys have these problems and are made in Canada and you can only get these weird performance parts that stop rear main seals from blowing from Canada. And if you live in Sunshine States you can't even get the parts because of emission laws
Wizard is one of those people you've never met and don't know, but oozes "good dude" through his genuine content.
He seems like a supportive boss too.
you can tell hes a square feller
I'd like to see him do some work..other than talk about doing it or have done it already. Getting like Scotty Kilmer!! :-)
@@brettstevens9677 In one video he says he does a lot of work off camera. The wizard is a legit mechanic.
Usually the 2.4 doesn’t last long enough to need a water pump 😂
I always get a kick out of following these up on ramps and seeing them belch out blue smoke. Garbage
My 2011 equinox just turned 200k miles this week driving back from Florida to Massachussets for the 6th time and never had a problem with the water pump.
@@RodrRodr-tx5lq what number engine are you on?
@@SawyerSmoak he won't tell you he going to say problem free since he brought it but people know gm it's no way problem free
@@SawyerSmoak still original engine and transmission but replaced catalytic converter and O2 sensors and oil seal at 185k miles, intake VVT valve about 2 months, spark plugs and coils about 4 months ago. But the reason this car has gone for so long is I keep checking the oil and never let it get low since this engine has a reputation for burning oil. I have also used 10w40 instead of the recommended 5w30 to compensate for engine wear.
Your remark about a $1000 water pump repair on a Chevrolet is spot on. People do not buy a vehicle in this class and price point and expect to spend that kind of money on a wear part!
They do if they go to Car Wizard to get it fixed 😂
This is not a $1000 dollar repair. Four hours at an independent shop will average 75 bucks an hour. A Gates water pump is 75 bucks. That's less than $400 including tax.
The world needs more people like the Wizard. People who have the knowledge, experience and guts to tell the truth. Engineering like that is idiocy and its done out of pure greed.
I retired 4 years ago after repairing this junk for 50 years in my own shop by myself. I did it all from rebuilding engines, starters, alternators, carbs, fuel injection, transmissions (both auto and manual), rear gears and all body work from small to totals. I was 74 when I got fed up with this junk. From RR to VW. I drive a 2010 and 2011 Crown Vic police cars and they are a late 80's design and can be repaired! I have enjoyed your video's. People do not check on repairs when they fall in love with today's junk! Then they want you to work for nothing! Keep up the good work!
I had an 07 one of these. I've had 14 vehicles since '95, and that Equinox was the only one I never had second thoughts about getting rid of.
Brother I completely agree. I have been a master tech for 40 plus years. The engineering is ridiculous. I'm sick to death of hearing about cost. The manufacturers could careless about the customer. That water pump could have easily been simplified by the use of a split housing. I can't see any extra cost by doing so. The cat would still have to come out but the tool and the extra time would have been cut in half. The transfer tube could have been made so as not to remove the t-stat housing as well. Therefore you would not need a timing tool, the removal of the t-stat house, the big one piece water pump, the wheel and shield removal, and the seal kit. You would probably be looking at 1.7 hours in labor. That job would have been able to have been done for around $350.00 bucks. And people let me explain something to you. Automotive repair shops and technicians are not charity centers. What you do not understand is that it takes a lot of money and training for a tech to be good at his job. It takes a lot of money to operate and supply a shop. Then you have the insurance that must be carried on everything. Lights, heat, nuts, bolts, fastsners, degreasers, cleaners, lubricants, hoses, clamps, rags, and a ton of other things that go into the repairs and maintenance of vehicles are not handed out for free. Then you have building codes and federal regulations and state regulations and licensing. Disposal costs and upkeep. Right down to the soap and toilet paper. So when it comes to a big bill, don't cry about it. Automotive technicians hear it all. They give up seeing family and friends because you want to keep your appointment with family and friends. Honest men worry about the quality of the service they give. If you don't want a big repair bill, then go and buy everything you need to repair your car yourself. A thousand dollars won't buy you nothing but a harbor freight tools box without tools. And that's another thing, good quality tools cost tens of thousands of dollars. I like your video. And I like how you told the truth. They are junk.
@CarWizard Bought a used 2013 Equinox a couple years ago. Oil was changed a few weeks before I bought it. Driving along a few weeks later my check engine light comes on. A friend of mine said check your oil. It was so low, it didnt read on the dip. This thing goes thru about a quart of oil every 500 or so miles. I kept up with it until the timing chain went. I decided to go with a re-manufactured engine instead of fighting the oil consumption war. I had come into the money to be able to do it. 7500 dollars for that engine. Installed. It has a 3 year 100k mile warranty. Its the best i could do. I love the Equinox when its running. But the engine has been a son of a gun. Just had this done a few weeks ago. And I hadnt had to put oil in it yet after 800 miles. I just got lucky with the money at the right time. Where else can you get a good used vehicle for 7500 dollars with a 3 year 100k mile warranty these days? You cant. Will see how this goes, lol. Wish me luck!!
Last time I was this early, Car Wizard still loved BMW and Audi.
Last time i was that early, i was informed there wouldnt be a second date.
Never done a water pump on an equinox for a no heat complaint but have done plenty of heater cores 😉
“Welcome back viewers to the South Main Auto channel, we have here a 2012 Chevrolet Equinox with the big 2.4”
Those suck balls to do. I've only done 2 I believe. Well, 1 was a heater core and the other an evaporator. We don't see a lot of those failures here in AZ
Hahaha. I have an 06 equinox w/ the 3.4 and the pump is simple but that heater core gives me nightmares
Chevys are junk
Exactly what I was thinking!
This isn't bad. You'll love replacing Ford's Duratec 35/37 V6 water pump for FWD vehicles. Also timing chain driven. And if you don't catch it in time coolant will mix with the oil and your engine will seize. That repair would be much more than $1,000. And it can happen as little as 60K miles. :-)
Yeah everyone talking smack about the poor little equinox when theres much worse out there..ignorance is bliss
Car Wizard great video, as always. I had a 2003 BMW 330xi with a five speed and the only thing I had to repair in my 150 thousand miles of ownership was a window regulator and a water pump (I was on the original clutch when I sold it 12 years later as I didn’t want to find out how much that would be). It was a great car a fun car and based on all of your videos I consider myself extremely lucky that it didn’t cost me a lot more. When I bought it I went in knowing that routine maintenance and repairs would be costly. I did all of the routine maintenance and maintained it well. My philosophy is if you take care of your car it will take care of you. Keep the videos coming and again a great video!
Dude this guy exaggerates everything about bimmers, I’ve had mine for 2 years and it has not failed on me once. Just spent money on regular maintenance and flat tires pretty much.
I used to be a Chevy guy because they built a brand that used to be 'mechanic friendly'. I went Japanese without any regrets.
@@HermannTheGreat I disagree somewhat. After working on them for over 20 years, I know for fact in regards to interiors that there are much much worse out there. Let's be fair here
@@HermannTheGreat I'm amazed at Chevy trucks not even 10 years old and already rusting away. Relative works at a GM dealership and a new Blazer is 50G's. Why on earth would someone pay that for a new vehicle?
Chevy sucks and has for a long time🖕🏻. Japanese for me 😎👍🏻
@@davidedwards2773 Dude, I just bought an Acura TSX (for only 3G with 114k on the dial) and I'm freaking loving that car. I'm puzzled why people take their chances on GM junk that's way, way overpriced. Brand loyalty I guess. It's weird having a vehicle I'm not turning a wrench on every weekend.
.....wow, I hate and detest any and every Garbage Motors produced vehicle, but it says a lot about your character that would rather give your money to some prick CEO in Japan, helping to make those dirtbags even more wealthy, than to help an American car company and the American workers it employs....Smmfh
I grew up in a Ford household, and will ever strictly own Ford vehicles, with the most recent model year being my 312,000 mile 84 Ford Ranger 2.3L 4spd 4x4, the oldest a 1943 Ford GP flat fender Jeep with a Ford 289 K-Code, 74 Bronco 347 stroker that's nothin but horsepower and torque, and my only non-Ford is an 85 AMC Cj7, BUT, I'm hoping to install a Ford Coyote motor under the hood by summer 2022....I only use American made parts, yes that costs more and may take a little longer but IDGAF, I refuse to support any foreign auto manufacturer....
It’s actually the balance shaft chain that drives the water pump. There are two chains behind the front cover, the timing chain and the balance shaft chain. But you still need the special tool to hold the sprocket and keep the balance shaft in time, as well as prevent the tensioner from ratcheting out.
Those 2.4 engines are absolute garbage. Engine timing components fail just as often if not more than the V6, the cylinders become oval shaped causing the engine to burn oil, and yes, the water pump location is ridiculous.
I swear more of these burn oil than don’t, most the time you can see the oil smoke when they start from a stop.
Sounds like alot of gravy to me
GM had to release a special coverage for the 2.4 Equinox to replace pistons and rings because of the oil consumption issues. A lot of them only had 50k miles before they would use 1 quart in 1000 miles.
I swore off most all GM products except those that have long time durability like the old 3800 series engines and the 4.3 liter V 6 engines are semi dependable. Would never buy a new GM vehicle ever.
Great time to be a mechanic that’s for sure.
Wizard: “....and it doesn’t cost 75 thousand dollars to buy it”
Me: “but it will to repair it over the years....”
It is now seven months later, after the Car Wizard did a maintenance and repair video on this 2012 Chevrolet Equinox, because he did a video on the six used vehicles, that you should never, ever buy in the used market. This vehicle is one of them. Also, in the not to buy used market, ever is the older, 2005 to 2008 Chrysler Pacifica crossover wagon, any of them. Anyway, I am hopeful for more Car Wizard maintenance and repair videos to come fairly tomorrow or any time, this coming week or one of the last couple months of 2021. I am waiting for a video on a 2018 Kia Sportage EX crossover to see how the 2.4 L four-cylinder engine had some problems with the electrical system, mechanical failures, etc. Also, I want to see an in-depth tour and a video on a 2004 Ford Thunderbird, as well. This will make Mrs. Wizard happy, because these vehicles are still running like a brand new model and they have a very low odometer reading. These newer Thunderbird's never had any problems, especially with only one engine and one transmission, which is the 3.9 L V8 engine and the five-speed automatic transmission. I would like to buy a 2004 Ford Thunderbird, one of these days.
This is why I highly encourage people to do thorough research on any vehicle you’re thinking of buying.
I followed this advice when I wanted to buy a ford edge.
Learned that it has the same water pump in timing chain situation.
Wised up and bought a Lexus RX.
Couldn't be happier.
If you did that, no one would buy a new car. They are all over-complicated with little concern to serviceability and attendant repair costs.
Car complaints is a website I constantly use. I'll also use reddit as a search for a car and see what the mechanic subreddit says. If you're lazy and don't want to do research just get a Toyota or Lexus and call it a day.
@@CeeZee001 car complaints does have a few flaws like no vin number is required for registering a complaint, also they seem to have an issue distinguishing an I-4 issue from a v6. I noticed most of the complaints were at random mileage and never followed up. Some cars get a pass when there is a known defect. With an unsecured site like that, I think Ford salesman or Buick salesman can write bad reviews all day. Recently a friend refused to buy a used car because of bad reviews on the site, bought a Kia instead because there were no complaints and had his engine implode (common Kia issue)
@@alskooper3319 That's the idea.
unfortunately, new car market is trying really hard to switch to a 3 year lease model, and anything past that is an after thought. Especially with European cars.
I've come to love watching the Wizard and his "wizardly" lessons. I quit working on my cars years ago when I could no longer identify where anything went.
You ever tried a haynes manual bub? Lol
I owned a 2013 Chevy Captiva. Wonderful car. Comfortable, well optioned and dependable. I got 168000 mile before selling it for nearly $5000.
My mom has a 2012, 145k miles no issues and she bought it used, but it's very well maintained
THAT'S LUNACY!!! My wife's Terrain is currently under repair (by me) for a failed variable timing solenoid replacement. I PRAY we get rid of this thing before the water pump fails. Thanks for the video, Wizard and Mrs. Wizard!!! Respect from Texas
Over here in Europe the older Vauxhall/ Opel Insignia ( Buick Regal) that has the 2.0 diesel (pre 2016) is the same. Over here they replace the pump at the same time as renewing the timing belt. The newer has the pump driven by the aux belt. Gets better the 1.6 diesel found in that car is chain driven but the chain is on the gearbox side so its engine out to change the chain if you have an issue. Thats a 15hr job
The Chevrolet Cruze and Equinox in the USA also gets the 1.6 diesel.
Planned obsolescence....they want you back in the dealership to spend $2k for a water pump. OR why not just talk to the salesman about trading it in for a new one?
Add another $20k to your never ending vehicle debt lmao
When you find out how much they will give you for the trade in, You'll be heading to the nearest Toyota dealer. and try to sell the Chevy on your own.
“Your trade-in has a bad water pump, so we will only be able to give you $3k below book value for it.”
That’s why.
EXACTLY
@@mtfan that’s why when I get my next car, I won’t be using my current car as a trade in; because it’s pretty much only worth scrap value.
Don’t diss my 2011 equinox . It has taught me how to change a timing chain, diagnose all sorts of sensor failures, use a gm tech 2 tool and flash the ecu, etc. I think I will keep it for life..I have invested tons of hours working on it. I thank God that now it runs great, its super comfy, good on gas and it looks nicer than suvs of similar year/ price. Thanks GM for improving my mechanical skills.
IDK about yall, but when I take my car to the shop to get something fixed, I don't take it to the cheapest shop. I take it to a shop that will guarantee that it is fixed and will warranty the repair. I take it to a trusted shop that will not take short cuts and will make me a happy customer, and I am willing to pay for that. The Wizard is a great man and he obviously has clients that agree with that, if he didn't he would have been out of the game years ago. He is not ripping people off, he gives realistic prices, cares about his customers, and guarantees his work. Thats what you should be looking for when you take your car to get fixed, not some back yard mechanic thats going to take short cuts and possibly mess other things up.
I used to haul parts for GM directly to their dealerships. You’d be shocked at the number of 2.4 engines I hauled a week
They are complete garbage
No, I’m not. The way they drink oil and blow out rear seals I’m not surprised you don’t haul more.
Tons I believe.
No I wouldn’t. I own one…
No I'm not at all I'm a die hard chevy fan particularly chevy trucks and a full time mechanic I love these 2.4 ecotec for one reason they keep my wallet full I would never own one you'll be lucky to get it to 200k miles without catastrophic failure
Chevy 2.4 EcoTech: "My water pump is a PITA to change!"
Ford 3.5 V-6: "Haha - hold my timing chain!"
Chrysler 2.7, hold my beer. The 2.7 Chrysler was a disaster.
Chevy 2.2 Ecotech with "Total Fail" timing chain that GM tried to fix 3 times and still couldn't: "Hi! You must be new here!"
Ford 5.4 3valve: "Set Phazers on broken! Timing now for a new engine!"
Ford 3.5 V6 burned my girlfriend on her Flex. Almost fell off my chair when she told me the quote for the water pump!
Don't forget the ford 3.7 v6 , and the transverse mounted 3.5 ecoboost.
I drive a 1987 Volvo 245 as a dd. As a retired tech what else is simpler, cheaper to maintain, or more bulletproof? I don't care what people think of me. Who do I have to impress? Your earlier vid on why techs drive grandma cars was spot on.
I am considering moving up to A 92 Cressida with 80 k miles.. I did have to spend almost $600 for it and then it needed a battery. I will have to consider if it is a money pit. Really enjoy the shows and the content, thank you Car Wizard.
Few years back owner decided nah i don't want reliable CUV that keep its value well(RAV4), i don't want it to be fast(RAV4 V6) i don't want it to be fun to drive (Mazda CX7) i don't want it to be competent soft roarding or in the snow, (Subaru Forester), nah what i want is Chevy Equinox
If this is the original water pump at 170,000 miles, I'm impressed. My porsche 944 needed a new water pump every 45,000 miles
They are supposed to last 150k to 200k in normal vehicles. It was a secret weakness of 2000's Toyota I4 Camry and Carolla engines losing the water pump around 100k.
I have two 944s, for last 30 years. One on each got changed one so far at about 120k miles. It might be that you are buying junky parts.,
Agree, I have a 2012 V6 Equinox and haven't had any issues with it. I think your going to run into packaging issues like this with any compact SUV.
@@geerstyresoil3136 we have a 2018 equinox with the 1.5l and it’s given us no problems for 50,000 miles.(except a random check engine light for the vacuum assisted brakes, but that went away when it was cleared and hasn’t came back)
That car on the video has already had a drivetrain swap.
If you have never taken off a catalytic converter/rusty exhaust parts before, you won't understand the pain and hassle
Heat and water over time on the studs and nuts tends to "fuse" the two together over time. I drilled out many head exhaust bolts and learned this the hard way also. It is not fun work in any way, shape, or form. Fred
Not if you live in Las Vegas. I was able to un bolt the factory exhaust on a 92' Jeep without breaking any studs. Things are a pleasure to work on when they're not Rusty.
I just did pistons and rings on my wife's 13. If you think this one is bad, try a AWD with Calf emissions. I changed out the waterpump while I had it apart.
I agree I also felt like I was working on a BMW. I took this job from my C tech once I read the instructions. I started it a night with the intention of finishing it in the morning. When I came to work the next day I discovered I was now replacing the chain cover, sprockets and chain/chain guides. The sales man wanted to show the car to the customer and started it with the water pump sprocket tool bolted to the cover.
He didn’t mention the taco Tuesday mishap in the passenger seat. 🤣🤣
That “depends” 😉
I spill a lot of coffee in my passenger seat.
Those kinds of deposits are generally made after hearing what the repair quote will be.
You keep saying "Timing chain" but it's actually the Balance Shaft chain. Timing chain is separate and does not run the waterpump. The sprocket holding tool makes the job quite easy. The Timing chain is a issue with this engine due to poor oil maintenance damaging the tensioner.
Someone who actually has some sense.
You have to check the oil in these about every two weeks and change at 3-4K miles religiously. If you think of it as a large motorcycle engine that revs hard rather than a big V8 lump of iron that you can leave in a barn for 6 months, you should be fine.
You bring some different points of views to life, which I can relate to, in other words, I think the same way. When you are making videos about a specific repair, just stay focused on that repair. You're an intelligent individual, thank you for your time and sharing the inside view of this repair with us. I also think you should have used the water pump tool and finished the job in one video. You kinda went left field after halfway of the job being completed. 😂
Wizzard, I find your honest opinions very refreshing, and you have the experience to form a correct, and accurate opinion. If memory serves me correctly, a certain GMC Acadia, has dual timing chains, and you might as well junk the vehicle, for the labor cost to repair.
Insane. I changed a waterpump on my old Toyota in under an hour and i had no idea what i was doing.
cuz toyotas r gay
@Beelzebot shutup nobody talkin 2 u
@@BmwMe-uh9sy No you are gay. Most people use a vehicle for affordable, reliable transportation, unlike a Bimmer owner that doesn't have a life aside from cars and coffee and drifting that M3 into a curb.
Yeah. The mechanic who replaced mine charged a hundred for mine. The price to replace all shocks, oil change, and that pump was 1000 for my rav4. Or the same price as this. Including parts.
@@QuickQuips what do you "that pump" in your RAV4? That pump does not go on a RAV4 does it?
They’re literally engineering vehicles to be unreliable and require needlessly expensive repairs. Should be illegal.
With all of the emission stuff they put on cars now 99% if them would be illegal.
Bingo
Who designs a waterpump to bolt on at 7 foot pounds. This engineer is an embarrassment
Opel and Saab were heavily involved in designing to ecotec. This probably explains why the water pump is designed to be a pain in the ass
thank you very much for making this video...When GM did away with the 3800 engine they cut their own throats... I knew the 3600 was a piece of crap, but I was desperate because my Grand Prix transmission was going out and the car was so old it wasn't worth fixing.. used cars we're at a shortage 4 months ago so I bought a 2015 equinox with a 2.4 out of desperation. Was disappointed to find out about the water pump but glad you all brought it to my attention. There's a reason they only offer you a 36,000 mile warranty nowadays.. and companies like Kia offer 100,000 mile warranty. That alone says something. If I could have found a low mileage grandma grandpa car with the 3800 engine you bet your ass I would have bought it.
Kia and Hyundai are junk. They have major problems with their engines blowing up. Some of them blew up just out of the warranty period.
You probably should have just fixed that grand prix. Old or not it would still be on the road.
This man is honest and a hard worker. Great content, I enjoy the channel.
4.5hrs is pretty tight for that job . A guy can get in trouble pretty quickly with those exhaust parts
*Shudders in Canadian*
You ain't never lied 😂
Amen. Fred
I don't even touch exhaust nuts or bolts without heating them up with a torch works almost every time
He's Absolutely right about the price to change the water pump on the Equinox I have a 2013 Equinox Ls and it cost me $1500 a the dealership
At least he's honest . people are entitled to their own opinions but the way I see it he's a man trying to run a honest business and trying make a living I it's nice to learn the process of the mechanical work .
"All of 'em are junk." YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! GM has been cranking out GARBAGE for years.
Thats why people either buy dodge or ford for a American car. Dodge's have good power and fair reliability. Ford's are cheap and the parts are everywhere and the cars are everywhere because of that.
Or they get an American Toyota.
@@daniels2761 yeah. Either of the 3
@@jamesrichardson559 thats the 60's. They were god tier for American cars at the time but now they crank out over engineered pos's that i struggle to call "cars"
@@thecumfucker7101 Dodge is cheap as well not just Ford ,Fiat needs to redesigned the interior and dashboard on the dodge charger and challenger has the same design since 2011 or 2012.
I laughed when he was talking about the charcoal canister placement
I just did a timing setup and water pump on our 2014 ecotec 2.4.
The car has been fine until it needed the timing done.
The running joke with friends is our Captiva is the worst lemon… because it’s basically never had an issue, not what was intended at all!
Mind-blowing I knew those Vehicles were garbage but I continually see new ones every day this is the new Pinnacle of Automotive insanity.... personally if I was a mechanic I would almost start refusing to fix them
My friend got one of those. It was soooo hard to hold my tongue and not ask, "Why do you hate yourself?"
This is why I love the wizard. Great information and warnings to stay far far away from certain vehicles.
Such a terrible vehicle that lasted 175000 miles and needed only a waterpump.... not to shabby in my opinion.
This is absolutely on the level. On ANY of the 4 cylinder GM engines (design they got from SAAB and modified for VVT) you have to pull the crank pulley/harmonic balancer and remove the front cover from the engine just to get to the water pump. Same for the oil pump. I recently went through this drill on my 2.2L (on a Chevy). If you do this DYI you better know what you are doing. It is an all day job if you have a well equipped shop like "Wizard" has.
Ford 3.5 V-6 in the fusion, edge, and explorer. As well as the ecoboost V6, they're quoted about 2K for a waterpump.
The flashing red arrow over the yatch was hilarious!
yep, I was looking for a monkey, a cat or something similar walking on it as a background hero falling off the yacht LOL
What's a yatch?
I was looking for something
That was a funny detail from Mrs. Wizard.🛥
@@utuber2940 yatch is a CarWizard's boat aka yacht
I did this job for a friend in my garage. I didn't pull the cat and did her timing chain while I was there. It was hard but not that hard. I just charged her 200 labor. I figured by the time I bought the special tool I could get a timing set for it so that's what i did.
Same I didn't think it was that hard. I did head gasket as well
Same...not difficult.
But its not run off the timing chain its run off an untimed secondary chain.
You are a decent person... When I comes to your labor.. These shops are money driven.. Car Dr. Adds shop fees. .. Question ❓.. Aren't all shops supposed to have the tools to do the job.. why would u charge for that... Sheer greed !!!
@@stylzeswift9705-- tools aren't free. They have to be purchased.
The later model Saab 9-3 four cylinder has the same engine. I have done several pump replacements on them. It gets real fun on an all wheel drive model, less room, haha. Gm sells a much better tool, relatively, reasonably priced. He forgot one detail that can add an additional several hundred dollars. The pump is driven by the balance shaft chain. About fifty percent of the time the tension on the balance shaft chain needs to be reset after the pump is replaced. What happens is the bearing in the old pump gets worn, creating more play in the chain and the tensioner compensates for it. When you put the pump in the chain is to tight and will be noisy. It will eventually wear through the balance shaft chain tensioner rail. It would be necessary to r and r the timing cover and reset the tension on the chain. Make sure you keep the alignment on the balance shafts and follow the directions to reset the piston on the tensioner. Fun stuff, haha. One additional tip, when installing the pump, make a 6mm dowel out of a bolt and put it in one of the new pump holes. It will make it easier to line up with the suspended chain pulley. You can then start a bolt in the pulley and remove the stud. Good luck.
$2200 for a new water pump installed on my Lincoln MKS. The Ford dealership wanted $4000. The water pump is internal and driven by the timing chain, so you have to replace all that. And this car only had 85,000 miles. Genius engineers up there at Ford.
My neighbor had one. He got high blood pressure now!
No car in my state NH looks like that under it. What a treat. EVERYTHING IS RUST AND A STRUGGLE IN THE SALT BELT.
Indeed
You want to see the things I see in the U.K. we surrounded buy salt air and the salt the roads for 4 months a year I’ve had to weld 6 year old fords over here 🤣
@@andrew1979ish Same shite here my friend. Freakin nuts
@@chrisdigital it breaks my heart every time I take my own out in winter crazy thing is u be luck we see a week of snow all winter 🤷♂️
@@andrew1979ish Yup that's New York. The roads are covered in rock salt literally 6 months of the year, Then the humidity in the summer accelerates the oxidation. Holes right through frames, bolts seized in place. It's the worst bro Check out a channel called South Main Auto he's in upstate NY and has prime examples of rotten ass NY cars and trucks
Love the General, keep making crap, I make a lot of money fixing them. On the line up this week: 2016 Tahoe 6l80 transmission rebuild, 2018 Silverado 5.3l camshaft and lifters, and a 2017 gmc with a duramax/Allison with a slipping transmission. Got a busy week!!
Maintenance is where you make you $$ That heavy crap you just break even. Although when I was a master tech at Lexus I could do 2 Rear main oil seals ( rear drive ) Before lunch time.
I just traded a 2013 Chrysler 300S 5.7 Hemi for a 2017 Chevrolet Equinox LT 2.4 Ecotec. With the Chrysler, I had to put $4K INTO IT WITHIN 1 YEAR OF OWNERSHIP!!! Lower & Upper control arms on front ($800), New suspension all the way around ($2,500), and Heater hose that runs to the coolant because it busted and overheated ($700). I bought the car in March of 2020 with 72,000 miles. when I traded it in, I had just 100,000 miles on it. My Equinox only has 43,000 on it, plus ALL WARRANTIES, including LIFETIME POWERTRAIN.
I mean it made it 175k miles with no leaks and if this is the 1st w/p I’d say that’s a heck of a reliable vehicle! No BMW or MB would last that long without more expensive repairs.
The thing i learned with Chevy,once problems start a new one comes in 6 months worst than the last one.
That isn't the issue.... the issue is the amount of parts that have to be taken off, the specialized tool and procedure and the complication. Where on some vehicles, nothing has to be disassembled to change a water pump.
I've owned BMWs for 30 years and only had to do a water pump once at 150k miles. On pre-2005 cars they're not hard to fit.
My two BMW's only needed vcg 200 and coolant system 600, suspension 600. That's parts and labor
Its funny randy some forlks dont know you do this stuff alot working on your own stuff from auction.
My friend’s wife had a blue equinox like this, helped him diagnose engine issues as a loose timing chain, cost was so high to fix he just scrapped it at 160,000 miles, these are throw away cars.
Agreed
Funny how 160k miles is considered throw away these days. My dad still thinks 90k miles is too high for a car. Lmao
@@codyrandolph4371 160k is considered barely driven on Toyotas and Lexus 🤣
@@IIOctaneII Oh I know, I just find it funny how mileage on cars has ballooned and it's really not a big deal depending on the make: Honda, Toyota, even some domestic trucks.
@@IIOctaneII I drove my Camry 🚗 as my work truck. Trunk and back seat were full of tools 🔧and job supplies. I had a roof rack I sometimes used to transport things up to and including full 96 × 48 × ¾ inch plywood. I also towed a trailer with even more job supplies/material/appliances/trash as needed.
I'm also an Assistant Scoutmaster and I took that car off the pavement and into the woods (sometimes for miles on dirt/gravel) to go camping 🏕 with our Boy Scout Troop, at least a couple times per year.
Treating it like that, my Camry's 5S-FE 4-cylinder engine threw a rod at only a mere 461,228 original miles (742,274½ Km). Slushbox tranny, exhaust, and upholstery were all still original too. I would have gotten another engine at a junkyard, did the timing belt/water pump & some gaskets/seals and kept the car going past half a million miles too. My wife reminded me that a truck or SUV would be better suited to my needs. So, no engine swap. 🪦
My mother in law had 2010 equinox it was a pos. It had 70,000 miles on it when the transmission blew up and almost caused an accident. Then got a oil change done two weeks later had one quart left check engine like came on. The shop that did the oil change made us sign a paper that they were not liable. The next month got a recall notice that the piston rings weren't gapped properly from factory. Dealership replaced the short block and nothing else even though there was metal everywhere from running with no oil. I told them to get rid of it as soon as it was done at the dealership stay away from this pos. Im glad its gone now it would be out of warranty and i might have had to replace that water pump. Great job WIZARD always learn something when i watch your videos.
How hard is it to check you oil level once a week???? Yes many of these burn oil, as does a Honda, a Toyota, a Subaru, a Ford. If you check it once a week and keep them topped off, the oil usage is a LOT less than running the engine with one or two quarts left in the block...over and over and over again. This Equinox has nearly 180k miles. They will ALL need maintenance by then.
I like the purple hemorrhoid cushion in the back seat to help ease the royal reaming they received for this repair!!!
Somewhere on the internet, Scotty is shaking his head and says "I told you so."
Love the picture of the Chevy dealer he flashes when he talks of junkyards! 😂
There are very few GM vehicles like this, the majority of GM cars are some of the easiest to work on. Scotty is a bumbling idiot that is wayyy too brand loyal.
GM makes a attractive vehicles but what's the point if they won't last without constantly throwing money at them. Say what you will about Toyotas simple design but it works time after time.
@@JoshuasRecordings no they're mainly junk and I stupidly purchased a brand new one last December, no problems yet (fingers crossed)
@@tonebonebgky2 No, only the ones with eco tec engines are junk. GM V8s are some of the most reliable V8s on the planet. The eco tec ones are no worse than many engines from that time frame unless compared to Toyota. Go watch the Wizards videos on GM recommended vs. not.
Dad was a GM mechanic for about 20 years. One of the worst things he complained about was Cadillacs where changing the light bulbs required removing the front bumper.
Mostly all cars are like that lol
@@esco819 just GMs. Even my BMW has an access for in the wheel well. 😂
Not saying it's a good design but, I own a 14 CTS Coupe, the book says you need to remove the bumper but you don't have to. You can remove a few bolts and bend the soft bumper cover enough to access he bolts for the light. I wouldn't want to do it in frigid temps but it's doable.
@@slscamg you drive a BMW 😂
Yeah I just had a bulb changed in my 2010 CTS and my mechanic was pissed and mesmerised about taking the front of my car apart to get at a light bulb. GMC is really starting to suck in my books.
That's why I'm still driving my 1981 Ford f100 Custom and my 1998 Chevy ck1500 5.0. And also my 1972 Sears free spirit 10 speed bike.
My mechanic charged me 300 for labor, and I bought the water pump kit myself. 2012 equinox.
Oh I bet GM never thought the engine would last that many miles to need the water pump changed in the first place...given the piston ring issue.
171K miles. Be fair about this. Any water pump is going to be at least $500. I remember when cars needed a overhaul at 100K. He looked at the rest of the car and said everything looked good at 171K miles! This is a economy car, built to a price. I’ve seen many Subarus that have needed $4000 head gasket replacements before 150K. GM has nothing to hang their head about with this situation.
@@garydiane1577 I have to agree. This thing has almost 200k and still on the road. ANYTHING with this kind of mileage is a hooptie, but to be in this good of shape after damn near a decade and 200k miles is impressive to me.
@@garydiane1577 : Yeah, frankly 170,000 miles is quite decent. But the question is: why don't the designers think about an easier way to replace the darn pump when it fails??
My older Ford with a 302 hit 300k miles last week and the water pump just now gave out. Truck is still completely drivable just have no heat. 177k miles is not much.
@@bkucinschi they have the engine, transmission, differential and pollution control components all jammed under that hood- the hood that needs to be as low as possible for good aerodynamics (gas mileage). To me it’s BMW that has no excuse; they’re rear wheel drive, so they should be much easier to access engine components on them then these front drive econo boxes.
Next video : "Why Car Wizard won't work on Chevy Equinoxes"
He's a Range Rover fan, he loves working on unreliable pieces of crap...
Heck, thats one of those deals where you get all the work on that particular type engine/platform area wide. and even the crappiest job gets easier when you done it a few times.
@@M4rt_FX but owners of Range Rovers are more manageable for him. And they're luxury vehicles so there's a sense of respect to maintaining them. They are not a commuter car like this Equinox.
Both are junk, but one is more respected and desirable than the other.
@@aaryeshg.6526
BMW is also a luxury brand. No sense in picking it out as a brand. Just as many people by C class and A3s too for example, without the money to back it up. He’s trying to justify previous poorly made comments is all.
Im sure the dealer is much more expensive
I have a traverse. Water pump was $175 for OEM and took about 30 minutes. Timing chains only go bad in 3.5 V6 if you don’t regularly change the oil. Since you haven’t worked on domestic vehicle for a while perhaps you should brush up. Most new vehicles use timing water pump integration. The Equinox is a big POJ but don’t group the Traverse, Enclave and the Acadia into this group.
Thank you.
That’s like my 02 Sentra Spec V…it has the QR25DE with the oil pump is on the timing chain cover! What the heck! I had to drop the engine crossmember, basically the whole top portion of the engine AND remove the right motor mount to replace the timing chain, timing chain guides and the oil pump. I also replaced the water pump since I had everything removed. New exhaust manifold, injectors, valves, valve seals, pistons, piston rings, head gasket, hone the walls, all the little o-rings and new thermostats. Man, it was crazy! Luckily I have rebuilt two engines before…could not see a normal person doing that.
Guilty and apologize Wizard - I am in TX, my daughter was in Newton going to school. Found Wizards shop via YT a year or two back and had her bring her E46 3 series into the shop for a coolant light. Did not know that the Wizard did not like BMW's at that point in time. Ended up needing a new cap and some coolant is all (thank you for not messing us over). I also called in payed the bill :) She is in Wichita now so if the car needs worked on when not in TX (where I normally maintain the car) I will have her go over to the Ninja -LOL
It's really not his business or concern to be worried about how the work gets paid for. Different cultures have different family structures/traditions. It isn't his job to scrutinize familial dynamics. It's his job to fix the water pump and get paid for it.
He isn't a sociologist or family counselor. He's a mechanic. You owe him zero apology lol
And for the record, before anyone says anything, I've been on my own since 16, don't have a father and never got shit from any other family member. I've always paid for my own shit but who hasn't needed some help from time to time? I wish I had someone to help once in a while.
@@maquesim4296 I didn’t know what you were talking about as I hadn’t gotten to the end yet, but now I watched it all and heard what he said. I can’t say I really disagree with him, but he should have probably kept it to himself. Not because he can’t have an opinion, but because others are so easily offended.
I can't think of any "culture" whose family structure is proud of having an adult moocher to support. Good for you for not being a liability to your family or others. Hope you raise your kids to get things done themselves.
170k miles , should have Stuntman from Neutral Drop fix this one. 😂😂
Get ova here
WHATS IT GOT STUNTMAAAAAAAN!!
Two separate chains one's going around the cam phasers and one goes around the water pump and the balancing shafts reach into that hole run a zip tie underneath the water pump around the chain tighten it up it can't go out of time I've done it like this you don't need that tool I've done several like this The rest of it yes you have to take the catalytic converter down to get up in there
My 2002 Honda Accord has a similar setup although it uses a rubber timing belt rather than a chain to drive the camshaft. It requires doing a complete timing belt job to replace the water pump. Mine failed suddenly and left me stranded fortunately where I could get a bus to take me back home but it still cost me over $1k to get it fixed.
These are gravy, especially that one being FWD and much more room. Another common failure is the balance chain tensioner extending too far and putting excessive strain on the water pump bearing, it will make quite the noise!
I love how straight forward you are “it’s going to be hell to do the water pump on”
Agreed, the 3 series is not only a POS, but an unnecessarily complicated one.
Love your reviews. You dont hold back and never sugarcoat bullshit engineering. U got my respect bro
Worked part time in a garage (old fashioned filling station) my first two years in college many moons ago. Learned light mechanics, like belts, hoses, batteries, oil changes, tire repair, changing tires, etc. Although I was a humanities major, what I learned there proved invaluable for years down the road, both in terms of working on my own cars and dealing with/understanding mechanics for bigger issues.
One lesson I learned: A small businessman can make a decent living owning a car repair shop BUT THEY WILL NEVER GET RICH, even when charging $100-110/hour for labor. There are simply too many overhead expenses to cover, like rent and/or biz loans, employee salaries, taxes, insurance, accounting & payroll fees, and way more.
At some point, if he hasn't reached it already, the Car Wizard is going to be earning more from his TH-cam videos (for which the overhead is negligible) than from his repair business. Of course, he won't have a TH-cam channel without his repair business, so he's got to keep them both going.
How about it, Wizard? Have you reached that point yet?
The water pumps never outlast the timing chain and guides on these 2.4.... I’m sure that one with 171k had it done already and they cheeped out on doing the water pump at the same time
Modern timing chains - if they aren't meant for the "Lifetime" of the engine - are usually rated for 200k miles. Some times the tensioner can easily be replaced from the side or whatnot, but rarely is the chain expected to ever be replaced before the vehicle is off the road.
@@Mis73rRand0m take a page from the book of BMW, Audi, or some MB engines and you will quickly realize that just because they are rated for 200k or lifetime does not mean they won't fail sooner.
@@masonburhoe2559 Oh i fully understand, hence why I said "expected to be replaced." The factory doesn't expect to do the job because they hope the part is actually engineered to last 200k... expectations often fail to meet reality in the German vehicle engineering world.
It’s on it’s second engine and transmission.
Man! I wish you were kidding us, but dang. Nice job explaining this.
Thank god for my 2door 84 olds with a 350 olds engine simple to work on 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
I used to work in a shop that specialized in BMW, Mercedes, etc. What this guy is saying is spot on. I'd say a good 60-75% of the people that came in for a repair, or even just maintenance, could not afford it. The crying and complaining got to be an every day event. They had to leave their precious cars at the shop for weeks, even months before they could find the money to pay for them. It's all about image and the status symbol. Stupid people.
IM 100% AGREE 👍👍👍
Yup
I paid $2000 for my 2004 Avalanche in 2015, today it's worth $8000 on a trade in.
@@tommyodonovan3883
Yeah on a trade not cash. They just want you to get a 40 thousand dolar vehicle and the 8 they offer are included somewhere in there. They will never lost money. 🤦🏻♂️😳
@@anonimoporsiempre6033 that is why my everyday driver is a 500 dollar Chevy celebrity. Getting close to 400,000 miles. I changed the water pump and thermostat for 30 bucks, preventive maintenance. I bypass the AC, because I'm no crying ass Baby and roll my windows down. Gotta love rolling in the old law 👍💰
Holy smokes! That last part was brutal. Thank you for your honestly Car Wizard!!!
I'm pleased that was remedied on the latest generation Equinox/Terrain. Back to serpentine driven.
Ever done a Chrysler 3.5? Timing belt runs the water pump... brilliant design, have to take half the car apart to get to it
Not to excuse GM but at 170,000mi I’d expect to have to do some work
Some work yes, $1000 jobs no. This person's lucky to still have a car honestly these don't last this long usually.
Hell I did 350k with a BMW without having to take a spanner on the engine apart from the normal servicing!
@@tonebonebgky2 Well no, expensive jobs is exactly what I would be expecting lol..these parts don't last forever. I also think the owners are stupid to invest $1000 in a car worth $4000 at most.
@@crbb3099 the point is that a water pump should not be a $1000 job, I just did the water pump on my 25 year old volvo in my driveway, it took maybe 40 minutes.
@@crbb3099 It may not be as dumb as you think. They need a car. They're not going to replace it with another $4000 car. That's just not human nature. And even if they did, there's a good change it might need a $1000 repair soon. Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't. I'd guess that if the customer were looking to replace this, it would be more like $8,000-10,000. And that's before we talk financing. In that light, spending $1000 on a known car in good condition that you can get several more years out of may be not a bad deal. The real test is not how much you can sell it for, but what you can get out of it (assuming it still fits your needs).
There are tons of water pumps that are driven off timing belts. The old 90s mk3 VW Jetta 2.0 for example. Or the Honda V6 engines. Good thing about those is, since the timing belt is a common tune up item, you do the pump along with the belt and never have to worry outside of that. But, yeah, the engineering on this particular water pump is moronic.
Agreed, my 2012 Fiesta is the same. The shop replaced the timing belt along with the water pump for a fraction of the cost.
Talking about Ford, their transverse mounted V6s like the 3.5 on the Edge/MKX/Taurus have an overly complicated water pump design. I don't know which one is worse TBH
I truly believe some people just want to watch the world burn, this is a prime example, but in reality seems like something the designers did to make it so the customer brings the car to the shop more likely.
That's why I don't think it is a problem. When the water pump is changed alongside with the belt and other stuff it is going to work well. I don't really have experience of the newer cars though.
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Some companies do that layout better than others. The Ford Duratec 35 and 37 compared to the Nissan VQ35. Both have their water pump driven by the timing, but the Ford places its pump in the center of the 'Vee' of the timing chain and uses it as a stressed pulley for the chain, between the two heads. Nissan placed theirs lower and on one side and does not use it as a pulley. So with the VQ motor, it only ever experiences the force of the chain spinning the pulley. The Duratec though, is used in the same position a tensioner would be and is bearing the full force of all the engine timing pieces including the cam sprockets and tensioners. So when the Ford pump fails, and they do, you have to take the entire timing setup off the front of the engine including the valve covers. The oil pan comes off too. But because of the design on the Ford timing system, you can't just slip the chains off. You need a special tool to hold the variable valve timing stuff and cams in place, or else you have to re-time the engine. And there was a lawsuit over the Ford water pump. Because of the high torque load experienced by the pump and the pump's design, they wear out prematurely because the shaft in the pump gets pulled out of square, wearing out the shaft seals. When the shaft seals wear, the pump doesn't drip out of its weep holes, it dumps all the coolant as quickly as it can pump it and it goes into the oil pan. So if you don't stop the motor as soon as you see it getting hot, you could be chewing up the bearings in the bottom end and pumping oilpan milkshake through all your expensive variable valve timing parts like mine did.
The Nissan? Pop off the front cover, unbolt the water pump, use a wrench to release tension from the tensioner and let the chain go slack. Then pull the pump out. Stick the new pump in and release the tensioner to retension the chain. As long as you don't turn the chain at all, the engine stays in time. It's why a water pump on a Nissan VQ35DE in a Murano or a Quest is $500 and a water pump on a Duratec 35 in a Ford Flex is $1400. It is 10 hours of labor by the book!
A friend has one of these and I definitely agree. I attempted to replace it but I wasn't about to remove the manifold. It's so stupid. The could had placed it on the other side, put some kind of disconnect on the thermostat pipe or at least make the thermostat housing easier to remove. As far as the tool, I didn't mind that I found that easy enough to use. I ended up trying and putting it back together because I couldn't get the thermostat housing loose. If they would had use a rubber hose from housing to pump I believe it would had been easy but again no they put metal and I can only assume the housing bolts behind manifold. This still pisses me off lol.
I purchased two 3 series vehicles the one i just purchased only issues ive had is with the gaskets other than that ive had zero issues and the other 3 series is a 4 door 08 and has had waterpump and thermostat issues, they are good cars but be prepared to work on them yourself or spend the doe to krep it running !
I find it hilarious how BMW owners are getting their parents to pay for their repairs
Helicopter parents. And I bet it's not just BMW repairs but Chevy, Ford and that cute little Fiat 500 they bought for Princess. And if those kids have jobs, I bet Mommy calls in for them when they get sick or feel triggered.
They probably have to go & find a safe space when they get the bill
Nothing new about that. I experienced this 40 years ago at my family shop.
The same parents that bought their kid a nice car in high school that they didn't appreciate and just tore up. They then had college paid for, with a house rented for Princess or idiot son along with another car. Daddy knows a guy that owns a business that owes him a favor, so idiot son gets office job instead of guy that worked in the trenches for decades.