Nick and Cris have heated discussion over Eli Manning and Daniel Jones | NFL | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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- Nick Wright and Cris Carter discuss the benching of New York Giants quarterback for quarterback Daniel Jones and if Eli should request to be traded instead of mentoring the rookie. Eli has a no trade clause in his contract and has previously expressed no interest in playing for another team.
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Nick and Cris have heated discussion over Eli Manning and Daniel Jones | NFL | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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Should Eli Manning request a trade?
Not at all
If he wants cte sure thing
yes
FTF should trade the self-righteous HOFer CC...man is annoying and redundant smh
What for? To become another Joe Flacco somewhere else that isn't Denver?
Cowherd should have walked over and said
“Did someone say Divorce?”
Dylan Treadway LOL
winner
Dylan Treadway this wins here’s the trophy 🏆 lol
Haha
It would be a long walk from L.A.
Cris "when i was in the league" Carter
Back in my day, I had to walk 10 miles to school, with a pair of Kleenex boxes for shoes.
_Chris "Man... I've known Tommy Coe... since he was a little boy!!!" Carter_
@@cityhawk 🤣🤣🤣
And he’s the only one on this thread that has the mentality of a professional athlete. It’s called irrational confidence. He’s right..Eli believed he could outplay Daniel Jones. Period. And as he said “I don’t expect you to understand”
@@AwH22311 , there is a difference between thinking you are going to play forever and wanting to play forever. Nick is simply stating that Ely should have seen the writing on the wall, no one is saying he should agree with it.
I knew from the title "heated debate" that CC would be acting like a clown in the segment before I even watched it. When he isn't interrupting, he is acting like a condescending know-it- all. I agree with Nick. Eli has been BAD for the past 3 years.. would be considered even longer if it wasn't for OBJ making him look better than he actually was.
Well said
Cc is talking from a place of experience Nick is talking about what he can imagine. Cc had better points that Nick
@@reytempo - CC is arguing that professional athletes are stupider than every fan who can see when the athlete is getting old and is about to get replaced.
@@danielmocsny5066 na bro ... Pride in your craft.. when you are in Manning's position you are on top of the mountain. And when they sit you down is like falling from there....
his football team was bad. not just him
Nick is absolutely right. If one day being benched has never crossed Eli's mind, then he is foolish. Especially right after drafting a QB in the first round. Yes, it still hurts when you are told you are benched, but Eli could see the writing on the wall.
I would have to agree with Chris about the competition for QB1... Eli didn't get a fair chance to play for 3-4 weeks? Like c'mon Ik Daniel Jones was a Top ten player in the draft but you need to let the Vet a last chance to compete. Also when Did Lamar Jackson Started for the Ravens? I believe he played a couple or games last season but that was midway into the season before starting him at QB1...
Nonsense.
Nick is an ignorant fan and little more.
Facts
@@xLiMiiTz Good point. I think he could have had more time as QB1, but Cris made it sound like there was no way Eli could have ever seen this coming.
Exactly.
Nick pulling out the divorce analogies he's learned from Colin
Lol go watch one of his latest features on the Herd, he literally acknowledged it when Colin pointed out how good his analogies had become.
CC is the type that doesn't actually listen to you before responding. They drafted Jones in the first round 6th overall... No way Eli didn't see this coming. Anyone can see their replacement coming.
man i feel for Nick he's being talked down on by Cris bc Cris is a former player and HOF. he knows more about this then him tough spot to be in but it doesn't make Nick's point wrong. mentally you should be prepared to lose your job to a younger transcending player for a franchise. you can't act like it wasn't going to happen the NYG are 0-2 part of that is on Eli so Cris to me is a little wrong here.
I think they both made valid points.
Chris always talks down to him.
John Pestano totally agree
And also, Jones does possibly have more ability than Eli because he's mobile and it's not like Eli isn't and getting paid millions of dollars oh, we all knew this day was coming and I remember when Cris Carter was Downing Eli last year sticking up for Odell Beckham. Now he's Eli's best friend? Cmon
John Pestano nick needs to shut up, he knows nothing about this. He should listen to the hall of famer
How can Chris possibly think Eli wasn’t preparing for this? He should’ve expected this 2 years ago if the giants had a half decent back up. Can’t stand CC
Knowing what you know now looking at Daniel Jones gameplay and Tom Brady having a 10 times better team than Eli had on The Giants do you still stand by this statement 🤔
Chris Carter is really beginning to annoy tf outta me. He just seems like a bitter commentator. I agree with Nick. Every athlete should have the mental foresight to always plan and mentally prepare for life outside of football. What? You think you are put in a position and youre gonna keep it forever? Theres always someone that will come onto the scene thata younger, faster, more talented than yourself! Thats life! Instead of pouting about it, take it for what its worth! Nothing lasts forever.
Then why collin fans cant get over he's not playing
Agreed sometime I dont want to watch the show cuz CC ego too much to handle
The fact that Eli stayed after practice to help DJ proves that he knew this day was coming. Now, there's no doubt that day was going to be a difficult one and as prepared as you can be for that moment, it's still tough. But COME ON CHRIS CARTER!!!! Eli knew this was coming!!!!!
That's why I like skip and Shannon better. Even though they usually don't agree they always end up laughing and making light of the situation. Chris Carter gets too emotional.
Nick wrong!
Nick is right
No he is not
You play like hot garbage you get benched very simple.
Don't be a dope.
Nick is ignorant in this case... actual experience supercedes someone who's never been in that position. Chris knows cause he's been there and he's absolutely right...
@@aubreysouza1772 if you're working at a job and your performance isnt top tier any longer would you not prep yourself mentally for the worst? You can try and do better but it doesn't erase where you were failing.
Nick just leave the show. Cris Carter is unbearable to listen to so I can’t even imagine actually debating him
CringeVideosHD360 He is the worst, honestly, Nick is the only reason I tune it
@@JayWalk23 Same here
But bc of cris Carter the show is fun
Nick is the worst , Chris is 1000x better, he speaks facts and from true experience. Nick is a hater because he grew up to be a talentless hack so this is as close as he will ever get to pro sports
Exactly
CC "I was an NFL player so I know exactly how every player thinks".
Nic k Wright, I never played and I know exactly what every player is thinking..
@@AfrikanLifestyle Nick never claims special knowledge; he just makes the points that make sense to him. He's right and wrong on his own merits. CC just thinks he's right all the time, has no interest in hearing others' opinions, and tries to fight reasoned argument with anecdotal nonsense.
The comments/arguments here could be applied to either Nick or CC because they both state their opinions, whether agreeable or not. Isn't that how it's supposed to be though.
@@geoffmcclean6035 CC uses the appeal to authority fallicy almost exclusively in his arguments. Nick uses reasoning to create valid arguments. CC's career is helpful for insights sometimes but most of the time it hinders his reasoning.
@@RogerDonald except Nick isn't using reasoning to create valid arguments because even his analogy is wrong since any family counselor worth their salt will tell you that you don't sit there and mentally prepare for getting divorced or you are gonna get divorced. If you don't sell out to fixing things then it's not gonna work. So if anything CC is right here because as an NFL player if you are mentally preparing for getting benched then you are gonna get benched. You have already resigned yourself to your fate, and btw just cause CC is using a logical fallacy to argue his point doesn't make him wrong. Assuming because a claim has been poorly argued is must not be true is a fallacy in itself.
Nick is 100% right. Once Eli saw the Giants draft Daniel Jones then he def knew at some point this day would come
Jordan Dean EXACTLY
I agree completely. A
@w9j15g True. If they were gonna do that, then just throw Jones into the fire opening day.
w9j15g yeah but in this situation there is no other job for him to take other than his
@w9j15g - would you mentor someone to take your job if your career earnings were already over $200 million and you were getting another $20 million to mentor the new hire for a few months? Eli has the second-highest career earnings in NFL history, after his big brother Peyton. I'm sure it's an awkward situation for Eli but it doesn't compare to the average working stiff with no savings who needs his job.
Nick is saying he should've been prepared
Chris response : it is hard and i know more becouse i played
🤣🤣🤣 I feel for you nick
Nick is spot on...wtf is Chris talking about?!
CC seems to be saying that athletes view themselves according to the best game they ever played, even if it was over a decade ago and things have been different in the last several years.
Alex Smith lost his job to Colin Kaepernick. He also lost his job to Patrick Mahomes. Brett Favre knew 3 seasons before, Aaron Rodgers was coming. Eli Manning knew also. I think CC just enjoys hearing himself talk.
100%. That's how he has always been since watching him growing up. I can't stand personalities like him but they need 2 polar opposite personalities for the show to be a debate. And all 3 work great together so the show for most part I like. I usually just watch Stephen A and Max though. Much more entertaining with the balance of trolling and facts.lol
@Brandan Repsch but in practice, you can look at the guy behind you, and you can see the talent level. In both scenarios Alex knew these guys were better.
Adrian McCoy you can also look at situations where the starter won like brady/garrapolo maybe eli thought he could hold him off like brady did, why is it so hard for people to realize that these professional athletes dont look at things like normal people man, especially when your an elite athlete you develop the mindset that you can do anything or beat the odds so eli probably just looked at this as another challenge for him 🤷♂️
@@donniefontane1554 because this is a young man's sport. Regardless of what you tell yourself, you are on the field with the guy who is coming to take your spot. You can see he's faster, and or sharper than you are. It's only a matter of time. Look at Brett Favre, they had to trade him. Why? Because he refused to believe that Aaron Rodgers was better. Even though the whole coaching staff knew, and Aaron went on to lead the team to a Superbowl and become an elite and maybe Green bay's greatest QB ever.
Adrian McCoy 🤦♂️bro what cc is saying is that is wasn’t obvious that daniel jones was better because if it was THAN HE WOULD HAVE BEAT HIM OUT FOR THE JOB IN THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON, so eli isn’t seeing someone in practice who is clearly better than him he’s seeing someone that he feels he is still better than at this point, and even beyond that you cant expect these athletes to see that even if it is true these guys are delusional about their own abilities man thats how they got to where they are
No matter what the topic, Cris Carter will always find a way to talk about himself.
shidd that's dam near every former player
Well he is a HOFamer. Pretty rare air. You aren’t you are a nobody. Just a blip
Chris Carter, we know you played football
Nick is getting better at this job over time, CC is getting worse. CC comes off as way too salty and combative.
Fire CC! I am sick of this dude!
Did he lie about Eli though?
@@abc_12333 yes. Eli hasn't been good for years! Move on to the future
RambleTamble 100%
I love the job Chris Carter does, but he too often talks to the other panelist like they don't know anything because they didn't play in the n.f.l . He may be right, but by making Nick feel that way he makes the audience feel idiotic because most of us didnt play in the n.f.l. either. I don't want to watch an " opinion" show where the layman's opinion is considered stupid. I'm a lay person, nick is also a lay person I can more identify with his perspective, but if Chris is dismissive of his opinions simply because he didn't play then it makes me feel like my opinions are also invalid. Everyone is entitled to an opinion , even those who didn't play in the n.f.l.
Nick is an idiot...Everyone of these shows is designed the same way...The panelust share different views on the same topic, thats the format... Ftom Skip and Shannon, Stephen A and Max, Nick and Chris and all the rest..
diallo - and as a fan you are also paying CC's salary. Even if CC thinks everyone who hasn't played in the NFL is an idiot, he should at least pretend otherwise. In business you try not to call your customers stupid, whether they are or not.
Can we please bench Chris Carter!!! Please!!! Nick I feel for you bruh. If we could just hear Nick speak and or complete a thought?
We need CC to mentor his replacement. Or storm out of the building. Either way is fine.
CC needs to take the day off when he's on his period.
I guess he needs to take off every show
Agreed. He’s always throwing temper tantrums for some reason
Wow lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣
He sucks as a host forreal. He just says the opposite on nick while trying to roast him. Rather watch skip and shannon. Collin and Stephen Smith are annoying too.
This isn't even Eli's first time being benched.
You're right. He sucks anyway
@@nickmedina6735 18 and 1 GIANT LOSS
@@nickmedina6735 never forget that
@@nickmedina6735 yeah but look what happened to the coach that did it?
@@Nick-zs1kx stop living in the past bro what has Eli done lately
There needs to be a new broadcaster for CC to mentor. Just because you played doesn’t immediately justify your opinion. Nick was 100% right here. Eli should have seen this coming. Eli may not have known when, but it was coming. Also, he better mentor the young QB for 22 million with no grumble about it.
For 22 million he better answer any questions, texts, and phone calls whatever time of day or night that he gets them. Classy move by the organization to still pay Eli, so Eli better handle it in a classy manner.
I don’t have a clue what CC is arguing about
Eli got benched by the previous coach, he knew it was coming.
Nick is making sense and talking the truth and Chris is being a narcissist. Eli made 2 great playoff runs and besides that very average qb over his career.
Zero Hero skip and Shannon agreed on that as well
Zero Hero below avg
Cris Carter is a joke sometimes.
But he's right about Eli. Eli is a class act.
123abc no one is disputing that. Eli and the giants have been trash for 3 or 4 years now. It was bound to happen. To act like Eli got blindsided is hilarious
Correction: ALL THE TIME.
Almost all the time
No no your wrong he's a joke MOST of the time... NOT SOMETIME.
Nick was 100% right. Also showed class and sympathy. CC wrong on this one.
Nick is right - as usual! I can't believe that CC being the athlete expert is trying to build a case around his foolish debate position!!! This is a business CC..... Eli has not delivered ROI in 4 years!!! No need for a competition - you just bench him.
Cris carter is the worst ... this guy thinks he knows EVERYTHING. I can’t take it anymore
I agree-I'm surprised to see CC back on whatever show this is...I don't watch TV and haven't for 2 years. BUT-I told a Giants fan 3 years ago that Eli acts like he just doesn't GAF.
Eli has been over-rated his whole career. If not for the NYG defense and a couple of amazing catches Eli would be long gone from the NFL. The Giants should have got rid of him at least 2 years ago.
Cris owes Nick Wright an apology on Monday for thinking Antonio Brown would stay in line during his time in NE this year. Nick was right and he was wrong! HE NEEDS TO OWN UP AND APOLOGIZE TO HIM!!!
Agree, it’s actually uncomfortable to watch sometimes
@@zkickpush - Would Nick have owed Carter an apology if NE had worked out for AB. Not at all, totally unnecessary.
@@zkickpush He was let go because of the off the field issues, accusations and Nike releasing him not because of any issue with the Pats. It isn't comparable to what he did in Oakland.
This is not something that has happened over 2 weeks. He has been stinking it up for years now.
Years as in at least 3 years-probably more. I've never liked Eli-he always has a look on his face like he just farted at the dinner table and everyone knows it.
Nick was making a good point as someone who didn’t play in the league. Chris, I know you got a chip on your shoulder because it happened to you just calm down the war is over man. Been over for a long time.
PTSD Since he never got a ring...
Chris is one of the most annoying, know it all characters on TV, he really grind my gears 😒😒😒
Wish I was on this SHOW. He a real trip forgetful to,
Alright Peter Griffin lol
Cris thinks he's always right... it's almost becoming unwatchable with cris. Let Nick finish his comment. Eli knew this was coming. It's not 2 weeks it's been 2yrs coming. Eli can stay after, that's fine. Cris sit back and listen. Cris isn't making any good points. He's comparing apples to as nick said bowling ball's. He actually died that allot
what cris is saying is as a athlete you develop the mentality that you can beat any odds so while eli probably knew at some point the kid would start he probably believed he could play well enough to hold him off for a year or two(i.e tom brady/jimmy g), and secondly no preparation you do gets you ready for when you lose something you’ve been doing for 15 consecutive years especially when you still believe you can do it.
All of this sad talk about Eli Manning is getting out of hand. Eli hasn't been playing well for more than two games. He's been on shaky ground MOST OF his career, outside of two incredible playoff runs and Super Bowl victories.
Thank You Derek L. Career Record 116-116 = .500 Q.B. - he Looses 1/2 of his Games. He is a Great Guy, and a Good, solid, durable QB. He is Not his brother. Not on the same stratosphere as Many others.
He's been much better than shaky. 4 Pro Bowls and top 10 all time in passing yards and touchdowns. And only Tom Brady and John Elway have more game winning drives in the playoffs.
Cris Carter has never been wrong about anything .....just ask him. Annoying self righteous know it all.
@mksrookies and what does that have to do with anything I said ?
Absolutely agree! Well said
CC was right....elite, accomplished athletes don't think they will ever be replaced.
5:26 Love the whole "Stayed the dragon" analogy by Cris Carter.
Yes but if the Giants were 2-0
They wouldn't be moving on from Eli right now but they're not
Carl Banks actually said on an interview the other day that Eli was disappointed but not really upset because he knew it was coming number one and number two he may have even requested it because of where his record was going
CC is the only one in the media who actually gives Eli the respect he deserves.
Hear me out on this because you have to consider what Nick witness from his favorite team. I know Alex Smith is not on Eli's level, but once they drafted Patrick Mahomes, Alex knee his job was about to be taken. He prepared mentally and also did his part to help Mahomes develop. His point is that you don't draft a QB in the top ten to not start at some point. Everyone knows that but CC wants to compare all scenarios to his from 20+ years ago as a WR
Eli won his job from Kurt Warner who had more ability than him at the time so this should not be a shock to him.
And the Giants were 5-4 when Eli took over. Guess CC forgot about that.
James Hall II 5-3 I believe, but point taken
fulaan1 Right...
fulaan1 Kurt never really had any ability. Kurt was strictly a system QB. Old grocery store boy had to be in a specific offense to be anything special.
Ronnie B He is a Hall Of Famer. Two time league MVP.
Here we go again, Cris thinking that just cause he played that his points are valid and Nick’s aren’t. Nick made a great point. After the atrocious season last year, Eli DEFINITELY should have seen this coming. Then they drafted Daniel Jones, confirming they were nearing transition. Cris just called this dude a “superstar” when Eli hasn’t played up to that level in a few seasons. His time’s done.
Chris making a fool out of himself. Nick is absolutely right.
Why is the audio always so quiet
Bravo CC..first time I ever agreed with you
I like how the basis of CC's argument is how well Eli has played recently. Eli hasn't had a good year since 2015
At 5:10. Chris Cater speaks facts about that undefeated Patriots team. I remember his exact words back in week 2 of that season when he said , "This team could go undefeated and we're in the early stages."
CC hit the nail on the head
Once again I agree with Nick!!
Thank You Chris Carter for knowledge & speaking the truth about Easy E.
Sorry CC, Nick gets the W on this one
I definitely agree with Nick here. Your time comes at one point. You just have to make the best of the opportunity you do have and try to be the best until you just cant do it anymore.
Where was the heated part?
CC comes off as completely unobjective and seems to give Eli's performance WAY more credit than he deserves. The Giants have gone above and beyond what most teams would do in response to (at best) average quarterback play. If Eli didn't expect to be benched at some point in the near future, then he's incredibly naive and lacks self-awareness. They've been a bad football team for years, and any other team would have changed QBs far sooner than now.
NICK I AGREE
In CC mind athletes can't be replaced and to entertain the idea that they are dispensable after 14 yrs in the league is the biggest insult. Athletes are such divas these days, grow up! Welcome to the real world where if you're no longer capable of doing your job you are replaced.
"When you play as well as Eli..." started off 100% incorrect.
CC, this much i know ...
what management says at a presser and what the word is in private can be two completely different things.
Carter is such a condescending, name dropping dork. NFL players today are different in mentality then they were in his day. That’s how culture works for football players and all us normies who couldn’t possibly understand losing their job to a younger more talented person.
I agree with CC on this..certain players shouldn't be treated as such
Hmmm...reminds me of this time back in 2004 when some guy named Kurt Warner was benched early in the season for some 1st round draft pick Rookie....what was his name again?
I've always wondered what happened to Tom Green.
CC let Nick know what’s good !
I agree with CC all the way! True that!
Agreed Nick Wright
Four games, he stunk it up for the last few years😂
EXACTLY!!
Cris bullying Nick 🤣Classic. Glad he's out tho
I do think we need to mentally be ready for retirment or getting bench. Is the cycle of life and work.
Also!!! CC just said yesterday Dave Gettleman been lying the whole season! Now the organization says, "It'll be great for Eli to start the whole season." We're supposed to believe them all the sudden?!?!? Please replace CC with Chris Broussard or Chris Canty!
As a Giants fan I have no trouble admitting Eli hasn’t been elite for a few years now. Yeah he should’ve been getting ready for this. Father Time is undefeated and we all know that.
CC needs to be benched, again.
Where is C.C at.
I like how Nick tied his points together and decided not to run behind Cris' opinions. His points were better received than Carter saying what he said.
Chris - spoken like a true number 3
Im not a fan of CC's aggressiveness but gotta agree with him here. Although you may expect it, you're never mentally prepared for a life changing moment
Hey it’s Tom Green!
Just like someone close to you dying... Until it happens, you can never really be ready for it.. You can think your prepared,but when it actually happens, it hits deeper than you could have ever imagined... I see where CC is comin' from
Man cris carter feels he no everything that’s so corny
Not understanding ccs point here
He was a top 10 pick and Eli was benched last year. He obviously knew this was coming.
I watched the Dallas-Giants game replays. Manning can still make the throws, he still has zip on his throws, and can still throw the long balls. The fact is, Dallas is a much better team. The Giant's coverage was not very good. Maybe the Giants decided to replace Manning, but I don't know if that will make anything better.
Nick talking bout taking that show ! And Chris Carter telling him they wouldn’t get rid of him. But they did. Both Eli and Chris are gone 😂😂😂
This was heated ?
They're both right.
Cris is TRIPPIN'. I'm a NYG FAN and if the fans saw it coming how could Eli not see it?? Cris making excuses. And I'm sick of Cris talking down to Nick all the daggone time.
We all saw it coming. Maybe not so soon. But we saw it coming.
Ok. I see what Nick was trying to say but every player always prepare to start every game until they retire. I dont see any mental prep that can prepare for it.
I understand Nick's point.
Players in this position have in the back of their mind that they will eventually be replaced, but the mindset of an NFL athlete, especially Eli, is “Im the man. Im the starter, and I’m alway going to think of myself as the starter.” Imagine your starting qb thinking he shouldn’t be there..
I agree with Cris you can’t mentally prepare to lose your job and etc. and even if u can there’s a difference from practicing and doing.
Wow finally someone that doesn’t trash Eli and call him a scrub
Thank you Chris
That wasn't heated at all
Eli is 116 and 116. It's time. Better now than let it dip to below .500. It's been time for several seasons. Staying on to mentor Daniel Jones is something that he can do and it's really not so surprising. It's been a downhill slump for several years now For Elia and the Giants, but you can't take the two Super Bowls they won from them.
I never heard of a professional athlete preparing themselves to lose their job they've been doing for over a decade.
If you are a veteran quarterback that had a losing record last season then your team proceeds to draft a quarterback in the first three rounds... Then this quarterback has a good pre-season and you as a veteran have a bad first two games then in my head I would see it coming... Especially being a quarterback which is the most mental position in football
Nick is on the money on this