The Ancient, Biblical Roots of Catholicism (w/ Dr. John Bergsma)
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- In this episode of The Cordial Catholic, I'm joined by my friend theologian, biblical scholar, and former Protestant pastor Dr. John Bergsma to talk about the roots of Catholicism which stretch back not only into the Old Testament with the Levitical Priesthood but the very beginning of the Old Testament itself in Genesis and the Garden of Eden.
Dr. Bergsma unpacks his own conversion to Catholicism which involved not only looking at how the Early Church understood Christ, his mission, and the nature of the Church, but digging right back into the Old Covenant priesthood to understand the template that God was establishing with the Jewish people - a template He would use to fulfill that covenant in Christ with the establishment of the Catholic Church.
This is an episode for the history books. If you want to understand the paradigm through which so many Catholic converts come to understand Christianity, this is a conversation you aren't going to want to miss.
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This was dynamite!!! New convert to Catholicism from Southern Baptist and NEVER made this connection until listening to Dr. Bergsma connect the old with the new. So mind blowing to me just how detailed & precise God’s plan is for humanity. I’m learning so much and grateful for my Catholic faith and the rich history it flows from!
Love hearing this! Welcome! And thanks for watching. Glad it was so impactful! Praise God!
Catholicism is an ocean of spiritual depth. Welcome home!
Spot on. Welcome Home. Pax Christi
Without any argument, the Catholic Church is the Fullness of Truth and its very spiritually rich.
I'm 6 years into my conversion from being a Southern Baptist. It's so amazing, once you start exploring, how so much of the objections to Catholicism just fade away!
I was brought up Catholic but left the church and married a Protestant man. I was awakened to the Lord at a revival in 1977. We both attended devout & conservative Presbyterian & baptist churches for 45 years.
But at 68 yrs of age I am feeling as if I’m being called into the Catholic faith - please pray for me as I discover my beginning roots in catholism and for my sweet kind husband to make this journey together.
Praying for you! What an exciting journey.
You're definitely coming back to the Church. No need to delay, come now.
WELCOME HOME!!!
*+DEVS VVLT* ~
*+INSTAVRARE OMNIA IN CHRISTO*
CLAIMS of the RCC
1. Catholics claim CHURCH refers to Roman Catholic Church. BIBLE says CHURCH refers to all churches. Acts 5:11, Acts 8:1, Mat 16:18. HISTORY tells us Roman Church was just one local Church a member of the Pentarchy.
2. Catholics claim Roman Church was the CHURCH CHRIST founded (First Church) or one true church. BIBLE says First Local Church was Jerusalem Church. Acts 2. Not Roman Catholic Church.
3. Catholics claim there is only One Church. BIBLE mentions both CHURCH and Churches.
“CHURCH” refers to the Body of Christ Eph 5:30, Col 1:18 consisting of all churches. Acts 5:11, Acts 8:1 Mat 16:18.
“Churches” refers to local churches Acts 9:31, Acts 15:41 and believers Romans 16:5, 1 Cor 16:19,
4. Catholics claim to be the first believers. BIBLE says first believers were Jewish Christians. Acts 2, Acts 11:26, NOT roman catholics.
5. Catholics claim Pope is the head of the CHURCH. BIBLE says JESUS is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH. Eph 1:22, Eph 5:23, Col 1:18.
6. Catholics claim outside Roman Church there is NO SALVATION. BIBLE says : The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”apart from Jesus there is NO SALVATION”. Acts 4:12, 1 Cor 3:11.
7. Catholicss claim the first day of the week is a Holy day, made by God. .
The Holy Bible says:
Isaiah 58:13-14
13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words, 14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord; And I will cause you to tride on the high hills of the earth, And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father. The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”part from Jesus there is NO SALVATION”. Acts 4:12, 1 Cor 3:11.
----Catholics claim devote to Mary to be saved. BIBLE says “apart from Jesus there is NO SALVATION”. Acts 4:12, 1 Cor 3:11.
. BIBLE says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16.
10. Catholics claim Roman Church inherited infallible authority from Peter. BIBLE does not say that in Mat 16 or John 20 or John 21.
11. Catholics claim Roman pontiff inherited infallible authority from Peter. BIBLE does not say that in Mat 16.
12. Catholics claim bishop of ROME = the pope. BIBLE does not say that.
13. Catholics claim there is an office of bishop of bishops/universal bishop/pope. BIBLE does not speak of such an office. History tells us the first bishop of bishops came in AD590-600s.
14. Roman Church has all the false unbiblical clergies - Roman priests, roman cardinals, roman pontiff, monks, nuns, friars, … BIBLE mentions only pastors, teachers, evangelists, prophets, apostles, deacons, bishop, elders. Titus 1:5, Eph 4:11, 1 Tim 3.
15. Roman Church claim its doctrines come from traditions of Apostles. BUT 95% of roman doctrines are Not from traditions of Jesus or Apostles or Scriptures; neither practised by the Church of the Bible.
--If you decide to reply, QUOTE the Bible to refute any of these!!!!
You're being called to the completion of revelation. Protestant churches are stunted, truncated, with 7 books missing from their bible, a denial of legitimate authority, and a denial of the Real Presence, which is the source and summit of God's presence among us.
Dr. Bergsma is one of those Bible Scholars that you can truly put your trust in...not to mention how he can bring the Bible alive for me!
Thank you Keith! ⚘️
CLAIMS of the RCC
1. Catholics claim CHURCH refers to Roman Catholic Church. BIBLE says CHURCH refers to all churches. Acts 5:11, Acts 8:1, Mat 16:18. HISTORY tells us Roman Church was just one local Church a member of the Pentarchy.
2. Catholics claim Roman Church was the CHURCH CHRIST founded (First Church) or one true church. BIBLE says First Local Church was Jerusalem Church. Acts 2. Not Roman Catholic Church.
3. Catholics claim there is only One Church. BIBLE mentions both CHURCH and Churches.
“CHURCH” refers to the Body of Christ Eph 5:30, Col 1:18 consisting of all churches. Acts 5:11, Acts 8:1 Mat 16:18.
“Churches” refers to local churches Acts 9:31, Acts 15:41 and believers Romans 16:5, 1 Cor 16:19,
4. Catholics claim to be the first believers. BIBLE says first believers were Jewish Christians. Acts 2, Acts 11:26, NOT roman catholics.
5. Catholics claim Pope is the head of the CHURCH. BIBLE says JESUS is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH. Eph 1:22, Eph 5:23, Col 1:18.
6. Catholics claim outside Roman Church there is NO SALVATION. BIBLE says : The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”apart from Jesus there is NO SALVATION”. Acts 4:12, 1 Cor 3:11.
7. Catholicss claim the first day of the week is a Holy day, made by God. .
The Holy Bible says:
Isaiah 58:13-14
13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words, 14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord; And I will cause you to tride on the high hills of the earth, And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father. The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”part from Jesus there is NO SALVATION”. Acts 4:12, 1 Cor 3:11.
----Catholics claim devote to Mary to be saved. BIBLE says “apart from Jesus there is NO SALVATION”. Acts 4:12, 1 Cor 3:11.
. BIBLE says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16.
10. Catholics claim Roman Church inherited infallible authority from Peter. BIBLE does not say that in Mat 16 or John 20 or John 21.
11. Catholics claim Roman pontiff inherited infallible authority from Peter. BIBLE does not say that in Mat 16.
12. Catholics claim bishop of ROME = the pope. BIBLE does not say that.
13. Catholics claim there is an office of bishop of bishops/universal bishop/pope. BIBLE does not speak of such an office. History tells us the first bishop of bishops came in AD590-600s.
14. Roman Church has all the false unbiblical clergies - Roman priests, roman cardinals, roman pontiff, monks, nuns, friars, … BIBLE mentions only pastors, teachers, evangelists, prophets, apostles, deacons, bishop, elders. Titus 1:5, Eph 4:11, 1 Tim 3.
15. Roman Church claim its doctrines come from traditions of Apostles. BUT 95% of roman doctrines are Not from traditions of Jesus or Apostles or Scriptures; neither practised by the Church of the Bible.
--If you decide to reply, QUOTE the Bible to refute any of these!!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293, Dude, get a life. This is a Catholic video. You are not convincing ANYONE. You just come off as sad & desperate. We will pray for you to find the truth and peace.
This is sooo good. Been there, questioning the Protestant church that I was a part. It began to make no sense. No tradition or real authority. I became starved for liturgy, and the holy worship of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Thanks you for this discussion!
Thanks for watching!
Holy smokes ❤ this is fantastic! I could listen to Dr. Bergsma all day. I literally think I have all of his books. Stunned by scripture and Jesus, and the dead sea scrolls are incredible …definitely had a huge influence on my conversion as a former Lutheran/Baptist to confirmation in the Catholic Church this year 🥰
Two questions:
1. How can you be both Lutheran and Baptist? They don’t teach the same things.
2. Do you know how to be saved according to the catholic church?
Yes, for number 2: be baptized.
Awesome!!!
@@markc4176 I wasn’t Baptist and Lutheran at the same. If you were actually curious, recently shared my conversion story, and what drew me to the Catholic Church on Quest for Faith with Bryan th-cam.com/video/t6FnVuWN_vg/w-d-xo.html I am beyond grateful and literally finally feel like I am at home in the Catholic Church. My faith has been strong and personal for almost 30 years, and yet it has grown more in the past couple of years since coming into the church than I can even explain. It truly is the fullness of The Christian faith 🙏
@@TheCordialCatholic AMEN 🙏
Thanks to both of you for clarifying the roots of our faith. More and more of us are realizing the limitations of Sola Scriptura
“I just know Jesus and the Church are one”
St Joan of Arc
Dr John Bergsma has an amazing ability to articulate the continuity between the old and new covenants in an easy to understand manner. Wonderful presentation! Only wish the Gavin ortlunds of the world could get it
There’s something missing in modern Evangelical ecclesiology for sure. It was eye-opening for me!
I am a born Catholic Christian I am so glad and existing to listening to you brothers in the Lord Jesus glory to God Amen keep bringing more truth of the Church history to our Catholic world thanks so much 👏🙏🙏👏
quote----I am a born Catholic Christian ....unquote
NO SUCH type of person!!!
CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
Catholics DO NOT follow the teachings of Christ!!!!
Proverbs 28:9
⁹ He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
>>>
³ For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
⁴ And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
-2 Timothy 4:3-4
>>>>#1--Where in the Bible does God REST on the first day of the week to make that day special?
#2--Where in the Bible does God BLESS the first day of the week to make that day special?
#3Where in the Bible does God SANCTIFY the first day of the week to make that day special?
#4--Where in the Bible does God give a name the first day of the week to make that day special?
#5--Where in the Bible does God DECLARE the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special?
(Sunday keepers don’t realize that when they keep Sunday holy they are making a day holy that man ordained, not God, by doing that they have violated the 2nd commandment by making an image, they also violate the 4th commandment and the 9th commandment by lying about the Sabbath being changed to Sunday. I’m sure you could find a few different commandments that are broken by keeping Sunday. That’s why the Bible says if you break one commandment you break them all. Please open your eyes brothers and sisters that keep Sunday before it is to late!)
#6--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary prayed to/with beads.
#7--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary went to/ will go to heaven.
#8--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary is an mediator/intercessor.
#9--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary remained a virgin all her life.
#10--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary did not sin.
#11--Quote the Holy Bible that says a mere man is Head of the church.
#12--Quote the Holy Bible that says there are popes in God's kingdom.
#13--Quote the Holy Bible that says we are to confess our sins to a
priest.
#14--Quote the Holy Bible that says there is an "one holy Apolistic church?
#15--Quote the Holy Bible that says the seventh day is not the Sabbath.
#16--Quote the Holy Bible that says Rome is where Jesus will have His headquarters.
#17--Quote the Holy Bible that says Peter was in Rome.
#18--Quote the Holy Bible that says Mary is the Ark of the covenant.
>>>FACT: I have asked OVER 100 supposed experts on Catholicism to reply to those questions.
All I have received are out of context quotes, told to watch this or that video, or no reply at all!!!
Will you answer them???? At least the first 5 basic questions FROM THE BIBLE.
>>>>The works of His hands are verity and justice;
All His precepts are sure. They stand fast forever and ever,
And are done in truth and uprightness. Psalm 111:7-8 NKJV
>>>>READ THIS CAREFULLY:
Exodus 20:8-11
Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition
8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; 11 for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.
WHAT BIBLE IS THAT QUOTED FROM???
>>>>>Exodus 20:8-11
New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
8 “Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work. 10 But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work-you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and consecrated it.
WHAT BIBLE IS THAT QUOTED FROM???
>>>>>Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4 NKJV
Those who keep the Commandments by God’s grace will inherit eternal life.
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. Revelation 22:14 NKJV
>>>>>4.03 THE SABBATH DAY WAS MADE FOR THE MAN
Greek - MARK 2:27-28 - English
καὶ ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς τὸ σάββατον διὰ τὸν ἄνθρωπον ἐγένετο οὐχ ὁ ἄνθρωπος διὰ τὸ σάββατον 27 And he said to them, The Sabbath was made for the man, and not the man for the Sabbath:
ὥστε κύριός ἐστιν ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ ἀνθρώπου καὶ τοῦ σαββάτου 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
>>>>Common English Bible (CEB) "The Sabbath was created for humans; humans weren't created for the Sabbath."
The Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) "Shabbat was made for mankind, not mankind for Shabbat."
Good News Translation (GNT) "The Sabbath was made for the good of human beings; they were not made for the Sabbath."
Lexham English Bible (LEB) "The Sabbath was established for people, and not people for the Sabbath."
New Revised Standard (NRS) "The sabbath was made for humankind, and not humankind for the sabbath."
Source: #4.03 THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR THE MAN Mark 2:27
From the car! Catholics in cars getting Catechized.
I love it!
Catholic Car Catechism should be a thing.
With Coffee.
I love learning about our Church's glorious beginnings.
Thanks for watching!
began in 325AD at the council of Nicea
33AD is when Jesus Christ established his Church, the Catholic Church. That’s Biblical not your revisionist history which is not in the Bible.
@@Spiritof76Catholic quote---33AD is when Jesus Christ established his Church, the Catholic Church. That’s Biblical not your revisionist history which is not in the Bible... unquote
LOL--ROFL--LMAO
Quote the book, chapter and verses that says "Catholic church"!!!!!
------Local churches mentioned in the Bible: From 30Ad--100AD
Antioch, Pisidia: Acts 13:14; Gal 1:2
Antioch, Syria: Acts 11:26 (Paul's home base)
Athens: Acts 17:34
Babylon: 1 Peter 5:13; Acts 2:9
Berea: Acts 17:11
Caesarea: Acts 10:1,48
Cenchrea: Rom 16:1
Colossae: Col 1:2
Corinth: Acts 18:1
Crete: Titus 1:5
Cyrene: Acts 11:20
Damascus: Acts 9:19
Derbe: Acts 14:20; Gal 1:2
Ephesus: Acts 18:19
Hierapolis Col 4:13
Iconium: Acts 14:1; Gal 1:2
Jerusalem: Acts 2:5
Joppa: Acts 9:36, 38
Laodicea: Rev 1:11, Col 4:15
Lydda: Acts 9:32
Lystra: Acts 14:6; Gal 1:2
Pergamum: Rev 1:11
Philadelphia: Rev 1:11
Philippi: Acts 16:12
Puteoli, Italy: Acts 28:13-14
Rome: Rom 1:7
Sardis: Rev 1:11
Sharon: Acts 9:35
Smyrna: Rev 1:11
Tarsus: Acts 9:30
Thessalonica: Acts 17:1
Thyatira: Rev 1:11; Acts 16:14
Troas: Acts 20:6-7
Regions of churches:
Region of Phoencia: Acts 11:19
Region of Samaria: Acts 8:14, 25
Churches of Judea: Gal 1:22
Churches of Galatia: Gal 1:2
Churches of Asia: 1 Cor 16:19
Churches of Macedonia: 2 Cor 8:1
NOT ONE called "Catholic!!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 Thank you. That’s a very nice list of Bible verses which prove nothing since the ancient Catholic Church was known as the Way which grew and developed into the only and universal Christian Church since it is the only Church, Mat16:18 Jesus told us he would establish. Jesus also told us he is the head of the body, the church, Col1:18. And Jesus can’t have more than one body any more then he can have one bride, read Eph5:26-32, “This mystery is great, but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.” However as the Catholic Church grew by 107AD the Church was commonly known universally as Catholic, see Ignatius “Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8. Catholic is derived from the Greek katholikos meaning universal ie on the whole, according to the whole, throughout all or in general. In fact Universa Ecclesia is found in the Jerome/Latin Bible in Acts5:11 where Universa means for/of all nations. Or “Et factus est timor magnus in UNIVERSA ECCLESIA et in omnes qui audierpunt haec” because that is how Jesus promised it would be, one holy Catholic and apostolic. Even the KJB affirms “ALL NATIONS” in Mark11:17, “Is it not written, my house shall be called OF ALL NATIONS the house of prayer?” The Catholic Church is also reference in Acts9:31 in Greek as EKKLESIA KATH OLES, “ai men oun EKKLESIA KATH OKES tes ioudaias kai samareias eichon eirenen.”
So no matter how hard you try to prove the Catholic Church isn’t the Church Jesus established all you prove is that you are denying Jesus. Perhaps rather than fighting against Jesus you should try to know how “one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.” 1Tim3:15. Good bye.
I wish i was 20 years younger, so I could take his classes.
Me too!
I took a class of his a few years ago, and… let’s just say, I was way out of my 20s! There’s always continuing education classes!
Dr. Bergsma is with St. Paul center’s Ammeus Academy.
Greetings from Ecua🇪🇨
Dr. Bergsma 👍
I read John Bergsma book Stunned by Scripture.(how the scriptures made me Catholic)
Loved the video ❤
Read Stunned by Scripture by John Bergsma
Dr. John Bergsma is one of my favorite theologians. Awesome work!
Mine too! Thanks for watching!
Thanks!
Wow. Thank you!!
just heard Dr. B at Charlotte eucharistic congress, good job!
Awesome. He’s a lot of fun in person, too!
@@TheCordialCatholic yes, he is one of my profs but its all online, so never officially met him...
1. By what _authority_ do you claim when you read/interpret the Bible?
2. Why do you believe your _authority_ is the correct one?
3. From what _authority_ does your interpretation come?
4. Why do you believe THAT _authority?_
5. Who believed your interpretation prior to Martin Luther inventing his own church to compete with Jesus' one, holy, catholic, and Apostolic Church?
Bendiciones.
Matt 5:17 Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
quote-----Matt 5:17 Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill...unquote
Which laws?? All 613 of them???
This was great! Thank you!
Thank you so much!
Ahhhh you did it again Kieth! I haven’t even caught up in Catechism in a Year and now I have to put a pause on that…
Muahahaha!
Keith, did you come up with the comparison of God-breathed Scripture and God-breathed apostles? That's amazing. Should be a point in all sola Scriptura debates! James White would be knocked off balance by such a "jab."
You know what, I’m not sure where I first heard it but it’s a great argument to be sure.
@@TheCordialCatholic You should pass this debate argument on to Suan Sonna, Trent Horn, etc.
Trent Horn has lately taken the approach of trying to demonstrate that the adjective theopneustas/God-breathed was applied to a wide-variety of uninspired works by Jewish and/or Christian sources. But is that really the best approach??
But if he just told White and Ortlund that Scripture clearly shows that MORE than Scripture is God-breathed, I think it would be a more persuasive argument against sola Scriptura.
@@tonyl3762 ***Hebrews 4:12 Indeed, the word of God is living and effective, sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating even between soul and spirit, joints and marrow, and able to discern reflections and thoughts of the heart), or seen implicitly through its lens.
---- Not according to Catholics. Indeed, the word of the Pope (priests) is living and effective......
*** Deuteronomy 17:14-20 states that we “shall not turn away from God’s Word, not to the right or the left”.
-----Not according to Catholics. They turn to whatever direction they can to satisfy their itching ears.
***Psalm 1:2 and Joshua 1:7-8 says that “the righteous person dwells on the Word of the Lord day and night”.
--- Not according to catholics. They DWELL on every word spoken by a mere man, the Pope (priests).
***Deuteronomy 8:3 states that “we do not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God”.
--- Not according to Catholics.“we do not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of the Pope (priests)”.
***Proverbs 30:5-6 states: 5 Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.
---Not according to Catholics. 5 Every word of the Pope proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. 6 Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a heritic.
(--I will ask you, which NO ONE has replied to: Who's other writings does GOD tell us to accept as the truth??? QUOTE FROM the BIBLE!!!!)
Remember these words from Jesus: John 14:6 NIV -
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Since HE IS THE TRUTH, then when a church preaches their version of the truth, who is the truth??? Jesus or the "Church"???
>>>>
Absolutely amazing interview. The Bible is thoroughly Catholic, the New Testament is hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is fulfilled in the New Covenant. I immediately thought about what Jesus said in, Mat5:17-18, 17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.” Sounds like the Old Covenant being fulfilled in by Jesus in the New Covenant.”
Thanks so much for watching and your kind words!
In car 😆
Nice
👍🙏
Technically it’s a van. 😎
In the Old Testament non-priests who do not include the priests. - the tribe of Levi- in their offering ceremonies go badly wrong.
- Gideon creates a priestly garment for the Israelites to worship and give thanks, which is against the law.
-Nathan, a pagan general who is cured of leprosy, offers a human life as thanks for his cure. The sacrificed ends up being his daughter.
-Jews adopted worship practices of their neighbors.
A good question is, what happened to the Levites? They were supposed to live among the tribes and receive the leftovers of the offerings in the temples. They had instructions on how to give thanks in a way pleasing to God.
I have a challenge to the idea behind trusting the early fathers in their affirmation of the authenticity of the scripture authors: is is possible that the Holy Spirit led them into truth here, and that we coul trust them when they defended the authenticity of the scriptures, but that it doesn't necessarily follow that we must trust EVERYTHING they taught and wrote about? Just as today you might trust the testimony of some individual when it can be cross-examined and validated, but you must not therefore trust this person on everything else they say.
PS. I do trust the early fathers, and believe that they rightly passed on the tradition handed to them by the Apostles, but I would like to know how to respond to such a challenge.
Maybe Dr Gavin Ortlund need to watch this 🤷🏼♂️
Very eye opening. How be it that this is not preached everywhere?
All must read this short book
I would say the video title as: "The Ancient, Catholic Roots of the Bible"
Yep, that works too!
quote------I would say the video title as: "The Ancient, Catholic Roots of the Bible".. unquote
Ancient??? Less than 1700 years is ancient??
@@mitchellosmer1293 It is 1990 and will be 1991 at Pentacost.
Jesus was the final and perfect priest.
Indeed Jesus Christ started his One true Church with full Authority that he gave to his Apostles and their Successors,for when Jesus was speaking to the Jews the Jews said they never heard any man speak as he did because they said that he spoke as one with AUTHORITY.And indeed also when God started the Old Testament hierarchy and priesthood in the Old Testament through Moses it didn’t end when Jesus died on the cross but it was continued and passed on to the apostles and their disciples by teaching the apostles and their disciples the understanding of what the Old Testament priesthood and hierarchy were taught and celebrated but could not understand it until Jesus Christ fulfilled it through his life and death upon the cross which it was leading up to of all ceremonies that the Old Testament priesthood was taught and celebrated
At around 36 minutes in John mentions that you have sacrifice in the Catholic faith and I wondered what that is?
The mass!
The Eucharist is a sacrifice. There is a good article on it called "The Eucharist as a sacrifice" by John M. Grondelski over on the Catholic Answers website.
Protestants would be well advised to stop denying Jesus. Jesus said in Mat5:17-18 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.” In other words Jesus perfects the Old Covenant with His New Covenant. Listen to the video and learn and please stop your protesting.
promo sm 😃
Catholicism is not a new religion but natural continuation of Judaism under the new covenant of Jesus's salvation and Judaism in fact was the pre mesiahnic Catholicism
quote----Catholicism is not a new religion but natural continuation of Judaism under the new covenant of Jesus's salvation and Judaism in fact was the pre mesiahnic Catholicism.. unquote
LOL--ROFL--LMAO
The prove these FROM the Bible because NO Jew, nor Christ followers believes in them!!!
Cordial Catholic you are much too much talky! Let your guest speak. That's who we want to hear from. I'm saying this nicely thankyou.
It’s paganism The worship and veneration of Mary, the dogma, holy water, rubbing wooden beads and saying the rosary “holy MARY mother of God etc” over and over again is exactly what Jesus meant when he said “Don’t recite the same prayer over and over as the heathen do, who think prayers are answered only by repeating them again and again. Remember, your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him!”matt 6:8-10.
Would your side please STOP condemning yourselves by spreading the lie that Catholics worship Mary. It's just not worth going to Hell for!
“Thou shall not bear false witness.” You don’t know anything why Catholic venerates Mary. Stop being a parrot and get out of the satanic lane of your protestant lies.
John Jewel (1522 - 1571) Anglican Bishop of Salisbury , said:
If any learned nan of all our adversaries, or if all the learned men that be alive, be able to bring anyone sufficient sentence out of any old Catholic Doctor, or Father, or out of any old general Council, or out of the Holy Scriptures of God, or any one example of the primitive Church, whereby it may be clearly and plainly proved that there was any private mass in the whole World at that time, for the space of six hundred years after Christ ; or that there was then any communion ministered unto the people under one kind; or that the people had their Common Prayers then in a strange tongue that they understood not; or that the Bishop of Rome was then called an 'Universal Bishop: or the' Head of the Universal Church;' or that the people was then taught to believe that Christ’s Body is really, substantially, corporally, carnally, or naturally, in the Sacrament; or that His Body is, or may be, in a thousand place or more, at one time; or that the priest did then hold up the Sacrament over his head; or that the people did then fall down and worship it with godly honour; or that the Sacrament was then, or now ought to be, hanged up under a canopy; or that in the Sacrament, after the words of Consecration, there remaineth only the accidents and shows, without the :substance of bread and wine; or that the Priest then divided the Sacrament in three parts, and afterwards received himself all alone; or that whosoever had said the Sacrament is a figure, a pledge, a token, or a remembrance of Christ's body, had therefore been judged for an heretic; or that it was lawful then to have thirty, twenty, fifteen, ten, or five masses said in one Churcb, in one day; or (that images "Were then set up in the Churches to the intent the people might worship them); or that the lay-people ,was then forbidden to read the Word of GOD in their own tongue,- If any man alive were able to prove any of these articles by any one clear or plain clause or sentence, either of the Scriptures, or of the old Doctors, or of any old General Council, or by any example of the Primitive Church, I promise them that I would give over and subscribe unto him: The Works of John Jewel Vol 1 Oxford University Press , 1848. pp. 30-1.
Imagine caring or taking seriously what a protestant who belongs to a sect that allows gay married men and women priests thinks. He never read the Early Church Fathers or St John Chrysostom or any early Saints works on the Holy Eucharist.
Catholicism is the legitimate continuation of ancient Judaism not first century Judaism or rabbinic Judaism but the Judaism of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the Melchizedek priesthood. King Josiah removed the religious artefacts, imagery and practices of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and almost all the kings in Jerusalem - Josiah enforced the Deuteronomy version of the Moses religion on the people. The religious items of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob had survived in the land until 6th century BCE - sacred oak tree, pillars, altars, places outside Jerusalem to offer sacrifice.
In other words, the ‘Moses’ religion with the ten commandments and the Aaron priesthood did not finally replace the Abrahamic faith and the Melchizedek priesthood until just before the first temple was destroyed. No indication in the early chapters of Isaiah, written in 8th century BCE, that the prophet knew about Moses and the ten commandments.
The two temple rituals originally exclusive to the high priests were carrying blood into the holy of holies on the Day of Atonement and eating the most holy Shewbread (manna) on the Sabbath. These were combined to become the Catholic/Orthodox Eucharist. 3 times a year the holy shewbread would be presented to pilgrims in Jerusalem on the 3 major feasts and the jewish priest would hold it aloft and say "Behold Gods love for you".
It is beyond doubt that the first christians were concerned with reinstating the faith of the FIRST temple which became "Christianity". Images and practices that most Christians take for granted such as priesthood, the shape of a traditional church building, or the imagery of sacrifice and atonement are all obviously derived from Solomons Temple. By reconstructing the world of the older faith it can be shown that Invocation of the divine Presence, Incarnation, Resurrection, Trinity, Sanctification (the human becoming divine), the Mother of God and the self-offering of the Son of God were also drawn from the temple.
The gospel as it was first preached by Jesus, and as it was developed and lived by the early Church, concerned the restoration of the true temple, the First Temple.
Albertus Pieters (1869-1955)Missionary to Japan and later professor at Western Theological Seminary,wrote:
Two attempts. have been made by Satan to rebuild the barrier that Christ destroyed; the first when the church returned to the legalism of the Old Dispensation in the Roman Catholic perversion of the Middle Ages, when learning was well nigh buried under a mass of bigotry, and the church vainly fancied she could have Religion without Science. This ended with the Reformation. Mission Problems In Japan The Board of Publications of the Reformed Church in America 1912 pp. 134-5
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The Church of England of John Jewel never allowed gay married men or women priests. His statement makes it clear that he had read the fathers ( including John Chrysostom) up to the sixth century @@SaintCharbelMiracleworker
Have you seen Anglicanism today, that's his church, doomed from the start when the bisexual King sought the divorce. @@lindsaymaccallum7255
It is not the reestablishment of the priesthood, but rather the continuation of the priesthood, because look in the book of acts, it says, even many of the priests became obedient to the faith, and they did not change their calling
This is absolutely false. Reading Isaiah 66:21-22 the Lord was actually saying earlier in Isaiah 66 everyone with a humble and contrite in spirit trembles at His Word and honors His commands
He then rebukes the hypocrisy of the sacrifices offered by the “one who offers incense, as one who blesses an idol” In vs .s 20 and 21 the Lord says “I will also take some of them as priests and Levites” says the Lord
meaning the priests and Levites were from the Jews and this Aaronic line of priests would cease. No Gentile could partake, but now that Christ has come,Jesus our Great High Priest, by the once and for all sacrifice on the cross, burial and resurrection made a way for Gentiles to enter into the Holy Of Holies. 1 Peter 2:9-12 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
Jesus was the once and for all sacrifice for sin. He is our High Priest. There is no one who substitutes for Him or can stand in His place. He abolished the need for priests performing “unbloody manner” He doesn’t offer Himself up anymore as in the eucharist. He Finished His perfect work on the cross. Hebrews 10
Hebrews 10:11-18 11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[a]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[b]
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.
You are teaching a false gospel which is no gospel at all. See Galatians 1:6-10
I pray the Lord opens your eyes and hearts and the hearts and eyes of your followers
The historical roots of Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Protestantism all go back to the apostolic gospel, the scriptures, and the early church fathers.
That is the catholicity (universality) of the Lord's church (= ekklesia, congregation).
Amen!
quote----The historical roots of Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Protestantism all go back to the apostolic gospel, the scriptures, and the early church fathers... unquote
Nope----
Catholic did NOT start officially until after 325AD!!!! Council of Nicea.
When did the Protestant reformation start?
1517
The Reformation generally is recognized to have begun in 1517, when Martin Luther (1483-1546), a German monk and university professor, posted his ninety-five theses on the door of the castle church in Wittenberg. Luther argued that the church had to be reformed.
LONG AFTER Jesus!!!
First Catholic church built in Rome--325AD!!
First Catholic church built in Jerusalem--326AD!!!!!!!
LONG AFTER Peter!!!!
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People... Doesnt Bible say that Word is truth? and that Spirit is truth? Maybe beacuse they are one😂 if Word is truth, shouldnt it be authority?? Cmonn im catholic but Bible is final authority
You don’t seem very well-catechized…
Jesus is also the Word (John 1:14) and He didn’t tell anyone to write a Bible…
@@EpoRose1 you seem like the one's who were judging by appearences. Not only that i know that Jesus is Word of God but im born of His seed 10 years ago. What makes you saying this foolish assumption about me? Arent we called to judge righteously?
@@EpoRose1 lol Jesus didnt tell anyone to write the Bible, while Timothy says all scripture is God/Jesus breathed?😂 Dont know where is your spirit of understanding
The Bible cannot be an authority because it is not alive. It's a book. It has to be interpreted. You can make the Bible mean anything you want, depending on how you read it and what tradition you apply to reading it. Authority lies in the Church, guided by sacred tradition and the Holy Spirit. The Bible is part of sacred tradition, but it requires the teaching authority of the Church, handed down by Jesus through his Apostles, to interpret it correctly.
@@isoldam i cant believe what im hearing. 3 witnesses in heaven...Father, Word and Holy Spirit. Tell me about your experience of being born of incorruptible seed of the Word of God? How did your born again experience look like?
Respectfully, Roman Catholics and Protestants do share a paradigm that is more fundamental than the one described by the host. That is why the pro-Catholic arguments from TH-cam apologists and the like are so powerful for so many Protestants. Catholics have better answers to the questions that arise out of their shared paradigm. I see so many ex-Protestants on TH-cam posing questions and then showing how the Catholic answers are superior. But they never seem to question the underlying paradigm itself, the one that they share with Protestants.
This paradigm is based on a particular conception of God and God’s relationship with Humanity specifically, and all of creation generally. This conception of God gives rise to a problem that both Protestant and Roman Catholic apologists purport to solve. The problem is one of SEPARATION from God. It doesn’t really matter how one conceives of the separation. Protestants and Catholics believe that Original Sin has created ontological separation between God and God’s creation and that the separation persists through space/time until the proper prayer is said or the right act is made that closes that ontological gap. Of course one needs a God who fits into this model, and that conception of God is one that prioritizes God’s holiness above Love. This ‘holiness paradigm’ is what all of these apologetic videos are based upon.
So, it turns out that, at another level of analysis, there really is no difference between abolishing the old covenant and replacing it with the new covenant (Protestant), and the new covenant fulfilling the old covenant (Catholic), because they’re both attempting to answer the same basic question, ‘How can separation from God be overcome?’. In Old Testament terms, the lens that Protestants and Catholics use to see everything is the age old and well worn Tree of the Knowledge of God and Evil in stead of the seldom used lens, the Tree of Life.
Jesus Christ became flesh to shatter our most fundamental paradigm, SEPARATION. There is no separation between God and God‘s creation. There never has been, nor will there ever be. The problem is not separation! So the solution is not getting me back to God (Protestant), or getting God back to me (Catholic). The solution is to “see“ in the here and now what always already IS (Paradox).
Remember that Jesus came to show us the Father. ‘If you have seen me, you have seen the Father’. Jesus is what God is always already looks like. This is what the Eucharist is all about. Jesus Christ (Divine Immanence) shows us what the Father (Divine Transcendence) is like (Paradox). They go together, Son and Father, always. Unfortunately, Catholics tend to focus on the former so much (the real presence in the Eucharist) that I wonder what happens to the latter (interestingly, I think one can see the results of this imbalance in images of God like the Pantocrator, that can and have been understood to represent a two-faced God rather than ‘I and the Father are One’). I think Jesus, in the Eucharist, gives us the eyes to see the Father. And those eyes show us that all humanity already participates in Christ (the Divine Immanence), just not yet fully. How could it be otherwise? ‘Eat my flesh’ gives one eyes to see ‘Christ in me’, and then once I begin to see that reality, I can see Christ already in you, and you, and eventually my enemy, for that is what it means to ‘Love your enemy’.
And then there’s the cross. Both Catholics and Protestants, because they view the cross through the lens of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, believe that we can only be in the Father’s presence if we are holy. So that through his life, death, resurrection and ascension, somehow Jesus either covers us in his holiness (Protestant), or teaches us to be holy (Catholic), both of which are based on that notion of overcoming ontological separation. The cross should teach us that the Life, which the Father always and completely gives and which is always and completely received by the Son (Jesus Christ), already includes creation, and therefore also includes the pain and suffering resulting from humanity’s missing the mark (sin). God always and at just the right time (Paradox) bears the suffering of humanity. BTW, God did not turn his face from Jesus on the cross. Read the rest of Psalm 22 and 23. This is what it means that God is Love. God does not do abandonment.
(Paraphrase) Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by Grace you have (already though not yet) been saved, through faith - though it is not your faith that saves you (Protestants) though it is a faith that you participate in, but rather the faith of Jesus Christ, which is always already given freely to all - and neither is it your works that save you (Catholics) though salvation means freedom to do good works, because I know you’re all (Protestant and Catholic) going to try to take credit for it in some way and therefore try to exclude some from God’s free gift. Everyone is welcome at God’s table.
Post essays on your own blog.
@@fantasia55 this space is only for fanboys.
@@trupela best to post cogent comments, not clutter someone else's blog/channel with essays
@@fantasia55 lol
@@fantasia55 you’re not obligated to read every post.
Christianity doesn't have its roots in idolatry, Mariolatry, the Pope, or any other numerous doctrines that came about in later centuries.
@trollpatrol7215 Correct, it doesn't.
@trollpatrol7215 You're the troll, my friend. The Romish church ignores Scripture except when eisegesis can twist it enough to give the slightest appearance of validity. Rome is a harlot and will be destroyed by the King of kings.
The only thing Peter and the Pope have in common is they both denied Christ.
@weaponofchoice-tc7qs The Roman Catholic Church is the teacher of lies. It's an apostate church that has anathematized the gospel. I won't become Catholic because I'm a follower of Christ, not idols or demons.
We worship the God who has revealed Himself in Scripture, not the one made up by the Roman Magistrate. How can you follow Pope Francis? Shameful.
@@c.m.granger6870 History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their list of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century, just 75 years AFTER the council of Nicaea which began the Trinitarian doctrine, and then with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
@srich7503 Oh, well, if Jesus didn't leave us a Bible I guess you learned about Him from the stain glass windows in your church building?
Have you not read that the Scriptures are God-breathed and inspired, inerrant, infallible, of the Holy Spirit?
What did Christians do before the printing press? They were taken advantage of by ignorant and greedy monks and priests who pilfered them for money and exercised authority over them by fear of excommunication. Perhaps you should read some Erastus?
Why even making catholics and protestants cuz both of them were man made.... One word only....CHRISTIANS! Christ like! Thats our faith
The Catholic Church was founded 2000 years ago by Jesus Christ, so it is not 'man-made'. Protestantism was founded by men, the Protestant reformers, in 16th-century Europe. So yes, Protestantism is man-made.
@po18guy annointed messiah and Christ in us is annointing. You feel rivers of living waters in your innermost being?
Catholic means universal. It is the Universal Church.
@@BensWorkshop good, do you feel rivers of living waters inside of you? Do you SEE Kingdom of Heaven aka Garden of Eden?
Do you guys have a conscience? Why do you lie so blatantly? Please show me a single verse in the where Old Testament priestly is practiced? It is also a lie that Christ established a Davidic Kingdom in the church! In fact when the apostles asked if the Lord would now establish His Kingdom, He clearly said that issue was non of their business, their job was to be witnesses that would spread knowledge about the Lord. So any Church that is only interested in projecting themselves instead of Christ are time wasters. Peter never at anytime called Himself a chief over other apostles. He calls himself, a fellow elder 1 Peter 5:1-4. So your Pius IX is not of the same stock as the Peter we know. Paul also said, " I just wanted to know Christ and Him crucified". You have spent an entire hour arguing about anything else other than Christ and Him crucified! True faith is John the Baptist like, "He must increase, I must decrease!" All the Catholic TH-camrs are busy about preaching the Catholic church and how salvation is only possible through the Church.
Also the appointment of Bishops has nothing to do with succession, it all has to do serving in the body of the Lord. If succession is true, please provide clear documentation of how some Roman Bishop, Linus apparently, was handed over the keys! Preach the truth about our saviour and repent from this manipulation!
FACTS: Acts 1:21-23 qualifications to be an apostle:
#1--MUST have seen Jesus be baptised
#2-MUST have walked/talked to Jesus
#3--MUST have seen Jesus after His resurrection!!
--Now, lets; see when these supposed Popes were born after Peter.
---****Anencletus [Cletus]----Born c. AD 25. THat would have made him age 9 when Jesus died!!!!
NOT AN apostle!!! Age 6 when Jesus was baptised!!!!
***----Saint (Pope) Clement: The name is mentioned in Philippians 4:3 but there is no way to connect this Clement with the Church Father known as “Saint Clement of Rome,” ...
----Is Pope Clement mentioned in the Bible?
Clement of Rome - Wikipedia
A tradition that began in the 3rd and 4th century, has identified him as the Clement in 4 bce.
born: Clement of Rome
Born in Rome!! Where is the biblical story of Jesus traveling to Rome, Or Clement traveling to Jerusalem???
Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Clement_of_Rome
35 AD - 99 AD), also known as Pope Clement I, was the bishop of Rome in the late first century AD. He is listed by Irenaeus and Tertullian as the bishop of Rome ...
Three years AFTER Jesus was crucified!!!
-----Pope, Saint Linus
Born c. AD 10 Volterra, Italia, Roman Empire
Age 23 when Jesus was crucified. BORN IN ITALY!!! So, where is the story of him traveling to Jerusalem to see Jesus be baptised? Walk/talk with Jesus?? See Jesus AFTER HIS resurrection???
****So you see, the "traditions" of these supposed "apololistic popes" DO NOT LINE up with facts!!!
Same old pushback from the usual suspects.
It's the line of Bishops to the Apostles not new apostles.
Read more.
@@iggyantioch so, when catholics say "apololistic succession", that is not correct?? They mean "Bishop succession"????
These two words"Apostolic succession" have been used as a kind of polemic against the CC . You are correct in the criteria for Apostleship.
The first Christians had no doubts about how to determine which was the true Church and which doctrines the true teachings of Christ. The test was simple: Just trace the apostolic succession of the claimants.
Apostolic succession is the line of bishops stretching back to the apostles. All over the world, all Catholic bishops are part of a lineage that goes back to the time of the apostles, something that is impossible in Protestant denominations (most of which do not even claim to have bishops).
@@iggyantioch quote---Apostolic succession is the line of bishops stretching back to the apostles. All over the world, all Catholic bishops are part of a lineage that goes back to the time of the apostles,.. unqiote
Impossible!!!
Acts 1:21-23 says to be an apostle :
MUST have seen Jesus be baptised!!
MUST have walked/talked to Jesus during His minitry!!
And--MUST have seen Jesus after His resurrection!!
----Let's see what the ages were of bishops after Jesus was resurrected!!
Is there a Linus in the Bible?
Linus is only mentioned once in the Bible in 2 Timothy 4:21. He's mentioned in a string of names, not even as a standout name. Some of the names that accompany his include Pudens and Claudia. Since he barely gets a shoutout, it may seem weird that we'd even focus on him today.
---2 Timothy 4:21 King James Version (KJV)
Do thy diligence to come before winter. Eubulus greeteth thee, and Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia, and all the brethren.
NOT A POPE!!!
Born: 10 AD, Volterra, Italy Age when Jesus was resurrected: 23
So, apparently he traveled to Jerusalrm just to see Jesus be baptised!! And walk/talk to Him, /and see Jesus at his resurection!!
>>>****Anencletus [Cletus]----Born c. AD 25. THat would have made him age 9 when Jesus died and ascended to heaven.!!!!
NOT A POPE!!!
>>>>----Saint (Pope) Clement: The name is mentioned in Philippians 4:3 but there is no way to connect this Clement with the Church Father known as “Saint Clement of Rome,” ...
----Is Pope Clement mentioned in the Bible?
Clement of Rome - Wikipedia
A tradition that began in the 3rd and 4th century, has identified him as the Clement in 4 bce.
**Clement of Rome
born: 35 AD - 99 AD), also known as Pope Clement I, ***NOT born when Jesus was resurrected!!!
>>>AGAIN---NO ONE after John met the qualification to be an apostle, thus NO apolistic sucession!!!
CLAIMS of the RCC
1. Catholics claim CHURCH refers to Roman Catholic Church. BIBLE says CHURCH refers to all churches. Acts 5:11, Acts 8:1, Mat 16:18. HISTORY tells us Roman Church was just one local Church a member of the Pentarchy.
2. Catholics claim Roman Church was the CHURCH CHRIST founded (First Church) or one true church. BIBLE says First Local Church was Jerusalem Church. Acts 2. Not Roman Catholic Church.
3. Catholics claim there is only One Church. BIBLE mentions both CHURCH and Churches.
“CHURCH” refers to the Body of Christ Eph 5:30, Col 1:18 consisting of all churches. Acts 5:11, Acts 8:1 Mat 16:18.
“Churches” refers to local churches Acts 9:31, Acts 15:41 and believers Romans 16:5, 1 Cor 16:19,
4. Catholics claim to be the first believers. BIBLE says first believers were Jewish Christians. Acts 2, Acts 11:26, NOT roman catholics.
5. Catholics claim Pope is the head of the CHURCH. BIBLE says JESUS is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH. Eph 1:22, Eph 5:23, Col 1:18.
6. Catholics claim outside Roman Church there is NO SALVATION. BIBLE says : The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”apart from Jesus there is NO SALVATION”. Acts 4:12, 1 Cor 3:11.
7. Catholicss claim the first day of the week is a Holy day, made by God. .
The Holy Bible says:
Isaiah 58:13-14
13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words, 14 Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord; And I will cause you to tride on the high hills of the earth, And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father. The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”part from Jesus there is NO SALVATION”. Acts 4:12, 1 Cor 3:11.
----Catholics claim devote to Mary to be saved. BIBLE says “apart from Jesus there is NO SALVATION”. Acts 4:12, 1 Cor 3:11.
. BIBLE says “believe in Jesus to be saved”. Acts 16:30-31, John 3:16.
10. Catholics claim Roman Church inherited infallible authority from Peter. BIBLE does not say that in Mat 16 or John 20 or John 21.
11. Catholics claim Roman pontiff inherited infallible authority from Peter. BIBLE does not say that in Mat 16.
12. Catholics claim bishop of ROME = the pope. BIBLE does not say that.
13. Catholics claim there is an office of bishop of bishops/universal bishop/pope. BIBLE does not speak of such an office. History tells us the first bishop of bishops came in AD590-600s.
14. Roman Church has all the false unbiblical clergies - Roman priests, roman cardinals, roman pontiff, monks, nuns, friars, … BIBLE mentions only pastors, teachers, evangelists, prophets, apostles, deacons, bishop, elders. Titus 1:5, Eph 4:11, 1 Tim 3.
15. Roman Church claim its doctrines come from traditions of Apostles. BUT 95% of roman doctrines are Not from traditions of Jesus or Apostles or Scriptures; neither practised by the Church of the Bible.
--If you decide to reply, QUOTE the Bible to refute any of these!!!!
This was awesome 👌 In RCIA so this was a tremendous blessing 🙏🙏
I’m so glad to hear that!
Reading an important book on this subject," Fifty Years In The Church Of Rome" by Charles Chiniquy. The whole book is astounding regarding the paganism in the Roman Catholic Church. But, the most shocking quote is on page 682. “… It may be added that there is more certainty of doing the will of God by obedience to our SUPERIORS than by obedience to JESUS CHRIST, should He appear in person and give His command…” Saint Ligouri, The Nun Sanctified [upper cap emphasis mine]
--THe FACT that the first Catholic church in Rome--built after 300AD!!!