Was Christianity Imposed on African Slaves In The Americas? | The Bisrat Podcast w/ Dr. Vince Bantu
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- On this episode, Dr. Vince Bantu & Katherine Gerbner whether Islam is the original religion of African slaves in the Americas and whether Christianity was imposed on them.
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Enslaved Africans, not African slaves
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A white woman said black slave wasn't beat to be Christian. We beg our slave master to be Christian. History is his story. So said.
So grateful for this channel!!!
Excellent and eye-opening research!
Love the honesty here of the guest.
Excellent analysis, as always
Christianity as a management tool in slavery came later. The enslavers initially did not want the slave to know any thing about the bible. The bible and literacy among whites was still in its infancy. Until the enslaver was taught how to controll the slave thought selective verses and also by not allowing the slave to read.
But this was time limited, and slaves learned how to read where some had very good memories and knew more about the bible than the enslaver. Then some knew scripture from Africa. The mis conception that whites introduced god to the African is a myth.
Our tribe in East Africa migrated from ancient Egypt.
The Bible was never a book.
It was simply life lived daily by the grandparents
The customs and traditions of the tribe.
Still intact in the rural areas
I have an issue with how you apply knowledge and facts. She stated christianity was not imposed on african american slaves, but she uses a petition by a slave in St Thomas. St . Thomas and U.S. are 2 different territories. It has been documented that in Brazil , if a slave converted to christianity, they received more freedoms. So when you say christianity was not imposed on the african slaves, that statement is to broad. Its not a imposition if you are already a christian. It is a imposition if you are not a christian, and you are being told you will get treated better if you convert. This needs to be studied region by region. You cant take what they did in one country or region and then apply it to what took place in the U.S.
Most Christian leaders and teachers are more concerned with pushing agendas than pushing facts. This video is a desperate attempt to keep Black Folks comfortable with being introduced to their god by slave masters.
@@whatshatnin4572 thank God real Christianity was never imposed on the enslaved. God selected His Elect (according to Eph 1:4) from among the enslaved and gave them His Salvation. I'm convinced no racist slaveowner was ever Elected and Saved by Christ. And no racist Evangelical today is Saved either.
@@lbamusic You just pushing beliefs. I'm sure no real Crips shot the House Party up. But these things go beyond our little beliefs. The fact of the matter is that my people in America are English speaking Christians because their slave master was an English speaking Christian.. Many of my folks here in the Dominican Republic are Spanish speaking Catholics because their slave master was a Spanish speaking Catholic..
Keep your beliefs Bruh.. Just share the facts.
@@whatshatnin4572 ..what I said still stands...the English speaking slaveowner of my people came from North London...
@@lbamusic I'm sure they have a lot to do with why you are such a good English speaking Christian
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Can’t deny these facts!
You can tell she was scared to say somethings she wanted to say. She was hold back a lot of Truth. You had her on her toes 🤣
I’ve always thought It is complex and not overly simplistic. There had to be at least one Christian on the bottom of slave ships. So interesting. Thank you both.
LOL... Im sure it was a few African Christians who were Christians before being enslaved by the Christians..
@@whatshatnin4572 Well, a Christian in name doesn’t make a true Christian. At some point your faith supersedes your wallet.
@@Morerob We always say that about Christians who did bad things but we dont say that bout the Arabs or Crips who do bad things. No one hardly ever says that the Arab that blew everything up wasnt a real Muslim or the Crip that shot the wrong person wasn't a real Crip... Man them folks who enslaved our ancestors claimed to believe in Jesus. I take they word for it. Besides, history says one of the most affective ways to Black Folk in the church and to keep them there is through slavery and oppression.... So they did us a favor
@@whatshatnin4572 Facts. That’s true. A Christian can do bad things. I just think if a true looks at the transatlantic slave machine, they’ll reject it. John Newton, author of Amazing Grace is a great example.
@@Morerob I feel where you coming from...I have heard that reasoning before. I feel different though. I think a true Christian would do just what the Christians did for hundreds of years.
When i look at the slave states of America and compare them to the bible belt in America, I see that slavery was legal where the bible was most prominent. When I read the old testament and compare it to how the Christian slave masters did African people, i see a lot of similarities.
I actually think if Black Folk keep leaving the church, high levels of oppression towards Black Folk might be an option to get us back in the church. White Folks have more success and ease with Black Christians than Black nonBelievers in my opinion
Seriously dropping bombs 💣
So there were no Israelites on the ships
We had our God's we worshiped before Christianity came to Africa
Let me wake us up a bit because I truly believe we’ve lost our mind and way respectfully. Without religion and its beliefs system we all will still be here going through life. God Almighty is more powerful than we have made him/her to be wake up people…
Good stuff
The question was how did the slave know about Christianity when they didn't English. She never answered that.
Christian slaves. I was not aware. God bless this conversation.
From Babylon to Timbuktu by. Rudolph R. Windsor. Pg.115 It was A.D. 1492 (January 2nd), when the Moorish stronghold of Granada surrendered to the armies of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella. For the first time since the year 711 A.D. all of Spain was in Christian hands. The decree to expel the Jews from Spain was signed on March 31, in one of the corridors of the great Alhambra, the palace of the Moorish kings of Granada. The reason given for the expulsion of the Jews was that it was thought they corrupted the Marranos (Jews converted to Christianity) by privately encouraging them in disloyalty to Christianity. The ultimatum given to the Jews expired August I, 1492. But the last group of Jews did not leave until August 2, 1492. This date is of strange coincidence. That day was the 9th of Ab, the fast day which is reminiscent of the destruction of the First and Second Temples. Professor Allen H. Godbey says that the reign of the last Jewish king of Ghana terminated in 1492. In order to satisfy Queen Isabella of Spain, King Manocl of Portugal promulgated a royal decree expelling the Jews and Moors from his country in 1496. The Jews who were expelled from Spain and Portugal were scattered throughout the Mediterranean coasts. It is estimated that over 100,000 Jews departed from Spain and Portugal during the persecutions and the expulsion. Some of these Jews went to northern Europe, Italy, and Turkey; but most of them went to Moslem countries of northern and western Africa." These black Jews would naturally go to African countries most of all. because of less persecution and they could disguise themselves easily among blacks.
This is awesome!!
From Babylon to Timbuktu by. Rudolph R. Windsor. Pg.86 King Reccared ascended the throne in 589; this was the beginning of harsh religious enactments against the Jews. When King Sisebut (or Sisibot) occupied the throne, there was a prevalance of the utmost religious fanaticism. In 616 A.D. the big shock came; the king ordered the baptism of all the Jews in his domain, under the penalty of expulsion and the loss of all their property. According to Catholic authorities, ninety thousand embraced Christianity at this time. This was forced baptism. In the seventh century the Jews were threatened with the penalty of slavery if they were found practicing Judaism. This cruel policy caused many Jews to flee to the Mediterranean and western coast of Africa. The southernmost point of Spain after you cross the sea leads you to the northern or the western coast of Africa. Throughout the Middle Ages many European governments expelled their Jews; these black Jews migrated to neighboring countries, Turkey and Africa. The Byzantine emperors, in the fifth and sixth centuries, persecuted the Jews constantly; therefore, multitudes of Jews were compelled to migrate into the Sahara Desert to the south. By this time the Sahara Desert was heavily occupied with black Jews.
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Why are you not addressing whether they were Jewish!? It's amazing to me why that has not objectively looked at by mainstream Professionals smh.
In the 1980s our grandparents in Kenya used to remind us that we migrated from ancient Egypt and we shld wail until the new Jerusalem comes.
We were too young to understand.
Now we are too old to care.
Bcoz everything in the continent is mostly geared towards survival
I am not to sure that whoever enslaved and regarded you as less than human would give you something that will lead you to eternal happy life. Of what use is your happiness to them?
African spirituality is the Way. Religion of any form has been more harmful than good.
When God said “when they come speaking another Gospel and another Christ then you know the time is near”. He was talking the people that got off the ships which were the Israelites of the Bible in the Ghettos scattered around the world. So the Anti Christ has been here since we got off those Ships.
Yeah I’m buying the book bro Vince
So glad I'm free from this mind control.
I don't understand. How did they know they were Christians? If they didn't speak their language and we know that European Christianity is toxic from the way it was taught. And African Christianity didn't look like European toxic Christianity and they kept them from practicing their religion how can we say they were Christians or at least the Christianity they (Europeans practice) please help me understand. 😢
#igbojews #Lembajews: they are a Bantu people. All Bantus/Negro are jews and share the same DNA markers. It's even more evident in their Old Testament cultural practices. Not to mention the oral history we have inherited. You can argue all you want... but everyone knows now. Awaking of dry bones
Most of the regions slave came from were not Christians. Slaves were “converted” to Christianity. It was imposed on them.
how can you use the slave Master to answer for the slave ??? that's a Hugh mind "F'' for lack of a better word, ACTS 11:26 LET THE BBLE SPEAK Everything else lies to you
Do not believe their lies again.
Christianity started in Africa specifically in Israel
Israel's geography is not in Africa it's in Asia.
Fortunately the evil, godless enslavers could not prevent the Salvation of those Slaves God had planned to save and did save. This is where direct Election and Predestination by the Creator of the Slaves, defeated any attempt by slaveowners to deny them Everlasting life through Faith by Grace, in Christ. Also the 'god' of the racist slaveowners, had to be different from the God served by those slaves who were Christians.
You are mixing mythology with a tragic history. You believe in god but slavery was a real thing. And no god is worth a nation of people having to go through slavery for..
The sun dies more for mankind than any god that any slave master has ever introduced to any slave. And we got thr sun for free...
@@oldschool5 God is not responsible for slavery or any evil. But He works to alleviate the effects of it for whom He chooses.
@@lbamusic so you didn't read the part where Yahweh literally gives the slavery instructions?
@@lbamusic I understand god Is not responsible. In reality god is not responsible for anything. Bible god Is a concept that deals with belief. He has nothing to do with reality or history. Bible has nothing to do with anything.
@@oldschool5 ..well, that's where we disagree. God is my Creator and everything I am, is owed to Him. Whomever is your creator (unless you created yourself), you can thank. I thank and serve my Almighty Creator God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and Ruler of the Universe!
Before the flood the world was black. Jessie asked his father (Enoch ) if Noah was his child ( Albino) every one else were the norm . Noah fathered japhet whom took after Noah I would say. Shem was brown and Ham was of the darker race who sold us to Japhet in the later times. The Falush mura were known as the roaming tribe after they met the white race Christianity was force upon them and they never left Africa. But they maintain they were of the 12 tribes. Israel had a one refuse to allowing to move israel stating they weren't practicing judiasim. But gave in because they were who they said they were. and more resent they were put out . They were complaining israel was starting to look like Africa. They made there on point. Do they not realize they are Africa. And the reason they are not comfortable there is because there home is over around the caucas mountains where all the whites live . If they go home they will be more comfortable for they will see a lot of who look like the.
No Such thing as African Slaves in America the slaves were Israelites
That's not true
@@oldschool5 It absolutely is the whole Africans sold Africans or we sold our own selves is degenerate history lessons crafted by degenerates for degenerates to believe
A Kongolese King, Nzinga Mbema who was also a Christian helped the Portuguese with the slave trade and he also kept slaves for himself. He also wrote several letters to those kings concerning the slave trade saying it was bad for his economy. Not all slaves were Israelites (point blank) it may have been some but not many. Plus too much written documentation that shows that many of the Africans were Christians more so than Israelites.
@@viewproduction7225 Huh. Reread what you sent me out loud. I'm trying to understand where you coming from
@@vanharris5147 So what percentage of African slaves would you say were Christians before the Christians enslaved Africans
The lies of the CAUCASIAN
No disrespect, but why are we asking a European what African religions were like instead of asking an African historian? I doubt that she would know that there were many Hebrews taken as slaves. To many people mistake ancestral worship as traditional religion. The Akans traditionally worshipped the one True God, however it is also true that they mixed that with idolatry. So we have to be careful with the term Traditional African Religion. In fact many Akans say that they can trace their heritage back to Israel, even those that I know personally. It should not be a surprise to see Hebrews in Africa practicing Vodu or other forms of idolatry as it was common for the Israelites old to adopt the practices of their neighbors.
The enslaved people were Israelites