It would be lovely if someone with deep knowledge of prof. Pearl causal inference theory could distill this conversation and try to explain with a structured lesson. I would love to see that.
Thank you Judea & Stephen for a very thought provoking interview. I especially enjoyed the thought about how world history would be changed based on a change to Cleopatra's nose. I look forward to using this intriguing question to kick-off my next cocktail hour encounter (post COVID of course).
Sorry for commenting on Wolfram's work and not directly Pearl's. The Rule 30 behavior at 3.05.00 is interesting because by taking every other value of the center column the cause of those values are hard to predict. This is useful for cryptography such hash functions. Starting with the message in binary format (plus an additional one at the end) instead of a single cell, and then iterating 7 times the length of the message produces a highly secure hash value by taking the consecutive every other values of the center column after that, any number of values, like a sponge function.
@somAlilegend I follow them pretty well. I have a heavy background in physics and math. There was a large portion of this discussion at the beginning where they were failing to connect. And in my opinion it seemed forced and unnecessarily rigid. Maybe because to me it was very clear what Stephen was trying to say and his method of bridging the understanding.... but maybe it's wasn't as clear to others.
@@nb6175 it looked to me like Pearl would have found Wolfram's causal graph software very useful in formulating his own causal graph ideas if he'd known about them sooner, they are both obviously brilliant minds but I think Wolfram's strong pragmatic streak has meant that he has produced an incredible number of intellectual 'leads' which he hasn't had the time to develop, whereas Pearl has been a bit more specific, his ideas about causality do seem to take us further than we have been before
one of the greatest conversations, please don't avoid the technical details!
This piece of history is just wonderful to watch
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Gentlemen, thank you for this! I'm 15 mins in (casual graphs) and i can tell i'm going to learn a lot more in this next hour. What a treat.
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Wolfram is really a great interviewer. He has what a lot of other interviewers don't. A genuine interest in the person and the topic. Great listen.
great "customer discovery"
I thought, this dawn, about a conversation between Yuda Pearl and Stephen Wolfram and, surely, I get to find it the next moment I am online.
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It would be lovely if someone with deep knowledge of prof. Pearl causal inference theory could distill this conversation and try to explain with a structured lesson. I would love to see that.
Accidentally left TH-cam running on a gaming video and somehow I ended up here. Great video though.
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Thank you Judea & Stephen for a very thought provoking interview. I especially enjoyed the thought about how world history would be changed based on a change to Cleopatra's nose. I look forward to using this intriguing question to kick-off my next cocktail hour encounter (post COVID of course).
This was absolutely lovely. Great fun.
absolutely fascinating
Why does all the descriptions say salonnière (plural salonnières) A woman who hosts a salon? So confused.
Sorry for commenting on Wolfram's work and not directly Pearl's. The Rule 30 behavior at 3.05.00 is interesting because by taking every other value of the center column the cause of those values are hard to predict. This is useful for cryptography such hash functions. Starting with the message in binary format (plus an additional one at the end) instead of a single cell, and then iterating 7 times the length of the message produces a highly secure hash value by taking the consecutive every other values of the center column after that, any number of values, like a sponge function.
Biggest LOL when Wolfram asked what "social intelligence" means.
Autists
3.03 it all came back to rule 30 somehow, beautiful
The real talent is resolute aspirations。
Brilliant convo. Apparently there’s trillions to be made knowing how to properly use isolated counterfactuals :)
In my opinion, at times... this guy seemed to be argumentative just to be argumentative, when you are both saying the same thing lol.
@somAlilegend I follow them pretty well. I have a heavy background in physics and math. There was a large portion of this discussion at the beginning where they were failing to connect. And in my opinion it seemed forced and unnecessarily rigid. Maybe because to me it was very clear what Stephen was trying to say and his method of bridging the understanding.... but maybe it's wasn't as clear to others.
Brilliant minded 85 year old Jew turns out to be argumentative, you don't say...
@@nb6175 it looked to me like Pearl would have found Wolfram's causal graph software very useful in formulating his own causal graph ideas if he'd known about them sooner, they are both obviously brilliant minds but I think Wolfram's strong pragmatic streak has meant that he has produced an incredible number of intellectual 'leads' which he hasn't had the time to develop, whereas Pearl has been a bit more specific, his ideas about causality do seem to take us further than we have been before
They're not saying the same things --- not even close
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