I might be wrong, but to me, it seems like they trimmed it to be able to possibly fit it in a future PS5 Slim, and also, so they can have more shared parts between the different versions in the future, to reduce production costs... But i do agree with the fact that the space seems a little bit wasted, although, that does seem to help with the airflow and better cooling of the console...
As a person living outside of the US, I always appreciate it when you measure stuff in kilograms and meters (I am aware that they are Canadians and that Canadians use the metric system. But many TH-camrs choose to use the Imperial system to just please the Americans)
As an American, the metric system is just objectively superior to the imperial system. For instance, why is an inch divided into 16ths? Why is a foot 12 inches? Why is a yard 3 feet? There is no continuity.
The new plastic fins on the chassis are probably channels for airflow when the PS5 is put back together. They probably studied the airflow inside the console and those fins help to direct the hot air to the outside of the console. I would say that it is ok to decrease the size of the heatsink as long as the air flows through it and cools the console adequately.
Smaller main PCB creating lower resistance so less current to run is my guess. Less beefy power delivery etc all adding up to 10% less power draw so less heat to remove again adding to efficiency. It will also make it cheaper to build, more boards cut from a sheet etc. Makes the price height more galling. I'd like to see the quality/thickness of the PCB, if they've cheapened out there as well then I would personally avoid this model because that is what caused the reliability issues (despite MS's claims) with the 360, the cheap board they used flexed under heat damaging components, in the case of the 360 causing a power fluctuation in one of the chips causing it to fail. I have no doubt you are right about the placement of the fins, it's a simple way to improve air flow and reinforce the structure at no extra cost other than the new injection moulds at the plastic factory.
If you look at their position, if they just put in two fans above and below the heat pipe arrangement, aiming towards the back, that would dramatically reduce the overflow of heat coming off that CPU/GPU/BIOS/Storage block section. Especially as those pipes just transfer it all over the place. That's definitely as you said to alleviate some of that excess heat transferring before it circles over other parts of the board.
@@darthwiizius Idk I don't think you can cut power draw by THAT much by shrinking the PCB. 20-30W decrease is about the same as every Xbox 360 mobo revisions that did a die shrink.
This can be a possible step preparation for a PS5 Slim as soon as this gets in the hands of the consumer so they can get more performance feedback from real world use.
The new 12XX PS5 models have a new updated APU from AMD which is more efficient than the other models. So, Sony had to redesign a lot and there you have the difference.
Model 1200 is another example of a situation where technological deflation should cause lower prices, but it doesn't, because of monetary inflation or other reasons. 🙁
@@Kynareth6 PS5 CFI-1000 is RM2299 in Malaysia PS5 CFI-1100 (before price hike) is the same, but less materials, which they should have save some material cost to coup with it, but no, Sony take a shitty move to increase the price to RM2499 despite they have saved the material cost Then come the CFI-1200, which decrease the material cost drastically again, and using newer revision of chipset, which also cost them cheaper to produce overall, and yet they keeping the price as RM2499 instead of lowering them
I think this is Sony trying to optimise what they have for a future slim version, knowing the thermal constraints are fully along with better power management.
@@ssnjr1299 because majority of them are the guinea pigs! Stick with a day 1 console! The PS5 is what the PS4 Pro should of been and the Series X the XB1X should of been! None run at native 4K120, none run at native 4K60 with RT... point is, these aren't exactly upgrades and the heat dissipation and thermal tests and none are really better because they've cheaped out on the heatsink! They want to make money on these consoles and this is how they do it! They strip every component they can and knock off every dollar they can until they please the shareholders!.
@@ssnjr1299 the question you should ask, why people buy it? Sony know demand for ps5 is high so to rnd just for ps5 slim will take time "probably". Instead they use this way, making the internal smaller each year until the internal small enough we will see the ps5 slim "hopefully". That's just my guess.
That additional plastic that you called "support" are actually air guides. Definitely will make it cooler and more efficient because of that. Now, it should be easier to make water blocks to cool the PS5 more :D
I noticed the air guides too. That’s why this version runs cooler with the help of a smaller motherboard. But I still heard coil whine from the safety capacitors in the power supply though.
Few issues with the testing methods (which can be improved): - Noise level is depended on the distance. Hold it closer and it will be louder. In theory, 2 times further away is -3dB. So don't hold it to close (it is not a mic), but a couple of inches. Try 6 inches, it is al you need (that's what she said). - also always measure your ground noise level. 45dB in a 20dB room is audible. 45dB in a 40dB room isn't. To a certain point, noise perception is relative. People with quiet rooms at home will hear the PS5. - The temperature of the heat sink is not interesting. High temperature of the heat sink could mean, it transports the heat very well from the SOC to the air (=good heat sink), but a high temperature could also mean the SOC is very hot and the heat sink does cool enough (=bad heat sink). The only interesting temp is the temp of the SOC itself (by using a probe in between the heat sink and the SOC) - A FLIR isn't precise in measuring the temperature. A FLIR measures the infrared non visible light. Infrared is an indicator of temperature, but is definitely not perfect. Light can reflect of surfaces, so the temperature you are measuring could be reflected IR of another object. Dark object reflect much less IR than light objects. Also dark object emits more IR than light object. This is basic optica! FLIR only gives a good indication of temperature. It gives on indication of which part is hotter and which is colder. - I don't know if this is possible with your FLIR, but try to fix values (some can). Don't put white on highest temperature, but put it on a fix temp like 65°C and put blue on like 25°C. Much more easy to compare between images... - The FLIR was still useful in your video. You said that the heat was emitted top to bottom, which is a correct useful statement. Thanks for this video!
He made the exact same mistake of measuring exhaust temps. Again... Gee, if I taped up my laptop fans so it doesnt move hot air, therefore no hot exhaust, it must be better right 🤦🤦
So the remaining thing is 20w lower power draw - I would GUESS that it's the result of better chip binning, resulting in a lower operating voltage to maintain the same core frequencies
from passed experience the original playstation models always used higher quality builds, as they tweak them it’s mostly to reduce cost so the the original consoles are usually always better quality and last the longest.
The original model ps3 has solder bump issue causing them to get the yellow light of death more often than any other model. It actually wasn’t until the PS3 slim that they addressed the issue and made the console last longer. In fact launch ps3s are so prone to the yellow light of death that it’s becoming harder and harder to find one and they’re in high demand since they’re the only ones with the build in hardware for backward capability that was phased out in later models.
Hey austin im in tech. The relayout from the board probably used more efficient components, which result in lower power loss = better thermals. Considering the pcb shrunk, its highly likely less components were used, not just a relayout of components. Resulting in further cost down and even less power loss = better thermals. Retooling for the new plastics is negligible due to high demand of ps5. So yeah, same price, more money saved per year, and this is a post-NPI (sustaining) build they probably did one big sustaining validation given all the new parts. New components can likely just need less power input.
Question : The CMOS Battery is right under the Heatsink, almost touching it. Is that O.K. ? Or could it be a Problem at some Point ? I don't know much about this Stuff... i'm not into Tech, i'm a Gardener 😅
Well Meta raised the price on the Quest 2. Hardware that's been around for 2 years as well. I mean it went up by $100 dollars. I think it's a bad look for any company to raise the price of a product they have already released.
The less power consumption is likely due to it running cooler. When things run cooler they become more efficient and draw less power. They probably used better thermal paste and better air flow control.
@Don't Read My Profile Photo okay, you should stop this. this isn't funny anymore. I have seen so many "dOnT rEad mY pRofiLe piC" that it's not funny anymore. just stop already.
By definition -10dB is 10 times more quiet. 10^(5dB/10) is 3.16 times louder. +3dB is 2 times louder. But because we have a big range our ears can manage (25dB to 85dB; +60dB is 1.000.000 times louder), a difference of 3 dB is just audible.
@@codmonster1493 Never had any problems with mine. Sure, I opened it up and replaced the thermal compund but even with RDR2, it was quiet enough to sometimes even not be noticed.
Love the new studio guys. And the smaller thermals and smaller motherboard really shows they are cutting down cost to produce these things and at the same time are charging people more money. Typical Sony with their anti consumer policies while making wrong excuses.
My main concern is why Masayasu Ito PS5 design engineer retired just before the news posts of this remake, and he made no comment on the new design. If Sony were upfront with customers, you'd think they would have thrown the guy a retirement Press announcement, displaying all of his works, and how they led to this new revision, and why we should be satisfied with the changes. Really shady that we have to learn these things from second-hand sources.
if your getting the same or better performance... does it matter? you pay to play the games with reliable performance not the heat sink that was placed on it.
It all came out of the Heatsink. It isn't better. The 1100 series is probably the best. they use square stamps and thermal contacts that make closer to 100% contact to the memory modules across the motherboard Vs the round stamps on the 1000 that only cover 30%-40% of the memory chips surface area. Yes, the heatsink on the 1100 is slightly smaller than the 1000 but it also has better heat transference due to the longer heat tubes into the fins. Pulls OUT more heat from the functional parts of the system. the 1200 has a lower wattage draw which tells me that the processing power is greatly reduced you just cant see it yet. That heat pipe is encased in the 1000 and 1100 models, I'm guessing they considered it best to leave it exposed to leech out heat through those huge "ports" they cut into the plastic body. As soon as you flipped them the 1100 was the clear winner. they got rid of that flow-blocking heatsink and incorporated its thermal load into the longer heat-tube with the fins that the fan can actually blow air through. DANG the heat management is leaps better than the 1000 on the 1100. On the 1200 it looks like they shortened the fin contacts on both tube stacks. less power=less heat=less performance
Thanks man, I was worried I got the short end of the stick when I got my PS5 1100 model today. Very thoroughly elaborated and puts my mind at ease. Was worried about the higher temperatures and smaller heatsink compared to the others initially but after reading your insight my mind has been out to ease. Thanks man!
Only reason why they reduce weight is to optimize shipping costs. From a customer perspective we need to focus on the quality of the product and if it was affected in any way
@@ayocjwtf it depends on what they have taken out or if they just used lighter materials. But with these changes u never know. They will say it is the same and it will be hard to tell for the consumer. Long term use will give the answer
The lower power draw is fairly easy to account for. The new board is clearly optimized better than the previous generations that were very likely iterative on the same design. Simply shortening the traces will improve efficiency and thus reduce power draw (not the full 20w obviously). I would imagine they have also integrated more on the new design, fewer, more integrated ICs to save on both manufacturing cost and improve efficiency. This is common practice with consoles. When the PS5 launched Sony would have been under a deadline crunch and would need to use whatever chips they had available to get these out the door. Integrating multiple ICs into one takes time to both design and fab, this is why you so often see smaller, less dense motherboards on later model consoles. Better efficiency also means less heat to dissipate, hence the smaller cooling solution. Bare in mind we are 2 years on from launch and many of the ICs will have seen upgrades in design, possibly even smaller fab nodes. Even without design changes on the core components (CPU/GPU), we will be seeing better yields with lower voltage requirements to be stable at the target clocks. This is normal across all CPU/GPU fab nodes as they mature. I suspect the price premiums are due to economic factors. The US being excluded makes sense as it has seen less inflation than most of the rest of the world. The Euro is down about 15% - 20% of what it was not too long ago, ~$1.2 to 1 euro vs 1 to 1 more or less right now. That equates to about the same price in the US as Europe adjusting for comparative inflation.
@@captaincrunch1707 More efficient, lighter, better integrated so yeah, it should be. Personally I would wait for the next iteration or at least wait a while to see if there are any flaws that crop up with the revised design before buying.
easiest way to get 20 watts and reducing heat would be to reduce the frequency of the gpu, the higher you go in mhz, the less efficient it is, and the ps5 had about 500mhz over xbox gpu
With the watch battery covering up by the heatsink. Over time, it could decay the watch battery faster than the 1000 and 1100 models where the watch battery is by itself
I don't know if you can call this "cuting down the quality" like some folks are saying, with better engineering you can get the same results spending less... but, of course, they're using less material while also raising the price... Sony is being really greedy this generation, while Xbox is doing the oposite and offering more and more value for the same price, dangerous game for sony.
Be careful what u day. These sony zombies will respond with comments like enjoy bo games for 2022 bullshit all these losers try saying. I love my ps5 and series x.
I think the 1000 model's has higher power consumption than 1200 model is because it has more heatsink so more heat is dumped ie it stays cooler hence for same temperature it'd has more performance and hence more power consumption, in the video as you saw the Temps of 1200 and 1000 models are almost same!
They surely could have added more storage at this point. 2 tb have never hurt anyone and would justify the price increase, since they have basically been removing stuff and increased the price with 0 new features to justify it
Austin, I love you and your entire team’s content, but this video gave me an aneurism due to the contant shifting of the 3 models on the screen. Please, when inevitably Sony releases a 4th one, pick an order for the models left to right or whatever and stick to it because this was just needlessly confusing
You always put the new product in the middle and not to the side as they are the main focus on the content. OLD stuff while still presented are always on the side. Plus they were clearly labled.
Right, I love how they put the 1200 in the middle for most the video, even though it belonged on the right. Guess 3rd come 2nd served. At least first was first.
The PS5 I got was manufactured in October 2021 so it's the CFI-1115A model. Performs great, it's quiet and doesn't overhead at all. It's a true joy to have! Very excited and curious to see what Sony will do for the Slim model if they decide to make one. All these updates seem to be going in the right direction, although I'll keep my current model due to the proven reliability I've had with it so far
It was interesting to see how the first version missed a few ram modules which cooled the cpu nicely, then the second model made better ram contact which was great while only rising cpu temps a bit due to thermal transfering through the heatsink, I wonder how this new design differs when it comes to the actual temps vs the other ones. The lower readings of the heatsink can go both ways of better cooling or poor heat absorbtion. We shall see hopefully
Interesante como ahora sony fabrico la ps5. Veo que la placa madre es más corta, disipador más pequeño, pero más eficiente en consumo eléctrico. Ahora con esas reducciones fuera que sony hiciera la ps5 más pequeña. Bueno creo que pronto veremos la ps5 slim???.. saludos hermano Austin
Qué modelo es mejor en términos de materiales y rendimiento? el hecho de tener menos materiales un buen indicio de que es una buena consola ( me refiero a la última) en comparación a la primera?
I will eventually get a PS5, and I’m glad when I do, it will have several improvements over the original model-still satisfied with my PS4 Slim right now
Since I have had my Console from the beginning (when originally released), I should receive an order for a new one in about over a week from now. - Mainly because I believe Sony have improved a few things on newly pressed models.
LESS POWER => lower thermals to compensate for the smaller heatsink basically its power throttled to 200 watts, same architecture same 7 nm no way they are gonna redesign the chip (apu) is way to expensive which means lower frequencies as a result worse performance also with smaller motherbard contributes to less plexiglass and copper layers making it cheaper overall. An even bigger disappointment by sony
Seems like Sony is 'inching' towards a PS5 slim. If they were able to trim up that much of the motherboard, they could most certainly reduce manufacturing costs by having a smaller chassis as well. I was hoping the would have a matte finish chassis by now.
The PS3 got slimmed internally before externally, but the cost savings to company were reflected at retail prices and reduction, here we are getting the opposite.
@@Ziddel Well let's see here. 90% of people will never open it and clean the heat sink or fan. The 1200 and 1100 will have dust in them and with less heat sink will end up running hotter faster. Just because the thing is more efficient out of the box doesn't mean it's going to stay that way. The 1000 having way more potential to cool itself after dust build up will run cooler longer. If you don't believe me than you don't know how heat dissipation works lol
@@pranacale4460 base ps 5 is crap laudest fan worst heat protection they other 2 models have brighter warming protection. All heat is focused on 1 area by the base ps 5 bro G I A. Also the 1100 version cpu cooling is 8 degrees less then first model lmao. Biggest heatsink means nothing when its bad build lel.
Initial thoughts, they had to have spent more money in R&D, fab modifications, etc.. than what they will save in parts costs and could have kept it at the old price.
I think this is the most coverage a different version of the same system has gotten when it's literally the same system rather than something completely different like when you go from an Xbox 360 to an Xbox 360 s to an Xbox 360 e. But you don't hear people talking about the different revisions of the original Xbox 360 back in the day in this kind of way.
Well, the first few versions of X360 (that looked the same on the outside), did get some coverage in media because of the Red Ring of Death problem. The Jasper revision essentially fixed it. (I still own a working Jasper X360 from 2009)
I agree, the only shame is that there was so much more coverage to be had. This is a partial teardown, with many components yet to get the inspection they deserve.
Since the motherboard is so much smaller, I'd assume they both reduced the amount of traces (less copper to put power into means less leaked power) and chips (eg : old chip "A" and "B" are replaced with a single new chip "C" that can handle the latter 2's tasks; OR New Chip "Y" just consumes less power than old chip "X" to handle the same task(s)). I'd also take a look at the VRMs to see if the layout and/or serial numbers changed. The blades of the fan are different and seem to have a lower mass, so it's also possible that it takes less Amperes to move a fixed amount of air. Also the air seems to have a easier time going through the back of the PS5, with new holes and pieces of plastics to better guide the air. This could mean that there's a lower need for static pressure to allow the air to actually push through those fins => again, lower power requirements for the fan.
Ps5 sends temperature and power draw stats to Sony. And over time they use these numbers to create newer more efficient models. They also use these numbers to send fan updates allowing them to customise fan speeds to specific games, making the system even quieter.
and it would be a bad idea since games run on ps5 now are really not that demanding at all, remember when I play Last of us on PS3, its fan just sounds like a jet engine, same thing happened to my ps4 pro , with more demanding game coming out in future, it is a bad idea to downgrade the heatsink or fan
to add more information, I bought ps4 pro when it comes out, It is really loud, and I heard many people who buy the ps4 pro later don't have the issue as big as mine, cause they have newer model of ps4pro that has better heatsink, what Sony do now on ps5 is quite opposite to it, downgrading hardware to make more profit
Also if you didn’t notice if they had resized the heat sink to not have the tower protrusion on the top left they actually could have made the ps5 like 4-6 inches shorter. Someone should diy a ps5 slim now.
I mean from what I can gather, the reasoning for the revisions is 95% for production cost cutting. Less material overall but more importantly less copper. The remaining 5% is to overcome any remaining part shortages and to fix any flaws from the earlier models. All of the other 'improvements' like the additional heat pipe and slots in the outer plastic are most likely there to offset the loss in cooling performance compared to the earlier units with larger heatsinks. This would also explain why the original and the latest model operate at a similar temperature, despite the huge difference in heat dissipating material. As for power consumption, for the latest model it's most likely a mixture of a more power efficient fan, power supply and chips, but the 1100 using the most out of the 3 will be down to the fan having to spin faster, since the heatsink is smaller but it doesn't have the 'improvements' that the 1200 has, so it'll take more airflow to overcome.
@@irishlad1367The original 1000 model. This is the one Sony wanted everyone to review. It has the largest heatsink with the most copper and hasn't been a result of cost-cutting or part shortage. A bonus is that the majority of these models were also fitted with the Delta fan, which is the quietest one available.
I have the 1200 model PS5. Good to know that it’s much more power efficient and has better heat dissipation. The new CMOS battery location probably isn’t a big deal considering those things can last 10-20 years, but it would have been a nice bonus if Sony found a way to keep it easily accessible in the 1200 models.
With the motherboard must shorter and a lot of open space in the case now, I wouldn't be surprised a slim model is in the works and be announced next year or in early 2024.
Ill consider it a good PS5 when we start seeing it in stock long enough for people to have a chance to get without having to camp out for the delivery truck.
I walked into a retail store yesterday and bought one off the shelf. I live in a tiny ass country as well where stock of everything is smaller than bigger countries. They are there.
7:56 ... "they probably cut some cost by not using the PCB" Umm.. exsqueeze me? Baking powder? There is literally a PCB underneath the metal you absolute unit. Even the other dude had to point out to him the metal was added TO THE PCB for heat dissipation... HOW IS THIS A TECH CHANNEL?
I opted to get a new monster PC instead of a PS5 (for reasons outside of just gaming). I still plan on getting a PS5, but I also wanted to thank everyone for being "early adopters" aka beta testers for the PS5 so I can get (hopefully) the best version when it finally releases. 😂
You won’t be getting the best version, you’ll be getting the version that makes Sony the most money, aka the version that’s made of cheaper material and is missing half the heatsink
Looks like I know what to expect when I get a digital edition. I don’t know how much the disc edition really adds in terms of weight but it felt heavier than 7 pounds, more like probably 8 or 9. I have the newest model, bought mine in November 2022 standing up vertically in my living room right next to my TV. I’m definitely excited at the end of this year to get the digital version in my bedroom. That’s what my goals are for this year, have myself a PlayStation console collection from the PS3 onwards.
Only bad for replacement reasons, though a great design choice. Older consoles get thrown out daily when the onboard battery dies, as they are rendered useless. Make it harder than most would go through trouble to replace, and you get mostly the same end result. It will make for more repurchases rather than repairs, and will help kill off old product line after battery lifespan, thus reducing population of ps5's during ps6 and ps7 era, increasing future demand.
@@joshuaadams4945 thats so scummy for them to do that, especially after the battery controversy it spiraled a year ago. Talk about turning a left ear wow
Maybe the new supports are there also for cooling purposes (as in diverting the hot air through the new slits), the PSU might be a bit more efficient or better yet, they might have changed the CPU into a newer version (as you would compare 5800HS vs 6800HS)
@@fazesw2343 I don't think it will. They will need a 3 nm SoC in order to reduce the power consumption and heat to make it fit into a considerably smaller chassis and 3 nm processors won't be available for Sony and Microsoft until late 2024. Apple and Nvidia and Intel will buy most of those chips from TSMC so nothing for Sony and Microsoft.
@@fazesw2343 Probably not. The fact that it's still impossible for most people who don't follow notifications accounts to go to any major retailer website and order a PS5, along with the price hike, means that it will basically be a slap in the face to anybody who have tried to get their hands on the PS5 for the past 3 years if a new model cames out.
They want it lighter so that it is easier to knock over when placed in their wobbly upright position, causing more repairs. At least that is how it plays out in the real world. Watch those wagging tails!
You can buy the bundle right now for 549.99 & it comes with forbidden west so its not a waste buy. Walmart & playstation direct have them. Just bought my 3rd ps5.
@@kubeanie18 I mean you can still get the disc version for 500.00 but they sell out fast so disc version bundle for 550.00 is a very good deal right now.
@@suhtangwong its worth it. & you don't like forbidden west you can just sell the code to get some money back. But I actually like the game. Very vivid & beautiful scenery. Story & gameplay great too
Austin thank you for another awesome video. Keep up the good work! I hope that you and those around you don't get doxed, harassed and receive any death threats. Any fanboys who are watching this, remember it's just a video about a videogames console and that's all it is and ever will be. There is no need to get upset, angry and defensive about it. You made a complete mockery of yourselves last time with the way that you behaved especially when you doubled down by trying justifying the harrasment, doxing and death threats 🤦♂
Thank you guys so much. I just got the 1200 version and was panicking when I tried to upgrade the SSD and didn't have the green board as shown in every video online.
If the power supply is using less power, it has less power to transfer. And my guess is that the power supply is lighter, with the same efficiency, but just draws less and transports less. Less for your buck, but savings in the long term, electricity wise.
You are not missing out. I got rid of mine promptly, and the friends I have that own them... are constantly on the edge of selling. Some do love them and would never replace, and if that were, I am sorry. At least you weren't promised one "Valve Steam deck 1 year preorder still not fulfilled here", so you are not alone in hopes and dreams being crushed. There are people like me though, with access to them on store shelves and capabilities to ship. Unfortunately, most people are out to make money, so good friends are limited. I, myself, would just feel grateful to be in a country so fine as New Zealand.
@@joshuaadams4945 Only reason I don't get rid of my stuff, is my 3 teen kids, since I've amassed an obscenely large collection over the years... If the economy does fully collapse, I'm gonna sell it all to some snobby rich kid... Gotta play the long game...
i am shocked theyve done 3 revisions, this one 2 years into the life cycle no less. shame it makes it cost more (in some markets) but it does make some sense given the big-ish changes
first reports: on 1200 Version, the big cooler can break from the Metalplate because its ONLY GLUED!!! not screwed anymore... Watch the German TH-cam Video "PS5 1216A/B überhitzt in wenigen Sekunden"
So it's definitely a bad look and also super shady that the price increases aren't equal everywhere, no raise at all in the states. They could be raising costs to cover the redesigned engineering inside the console and/or the cost of changes to the manufacturing process. I bet this redesign is in response to backlash from how poor thermals/power draw are managed in the 1100 models. It's possible they are using the price hike to push the cost of their own mistakes on consumers. yikes. I will say, the video really makes this ps5 look enticing, as cool as the original model while also drawing less power. More efficient than either previous model in both using and manufacturing it. Sony could have had a huge win win here if they hadn't gotten greedy.
Thankyou for the video guys - so informative. I live in Australia and have my second PS5 console on it's way to me. And hopefully this time it's a 1200 model. (CFI - 1202B). And just to clarify, in your opinion with what you have compared - does our Australian 1200 model add up to be the best?
I really love the fact, that Sony is just making it plain simple to upgrade the ssd/hdd.. and do so for many years now! And not as uncomfortable as microsoft is doing it with their consoles.. (I own a xbox, cause I’m a xbox dude, but yeah Sony is way better with their repairability!) ❤
The U.S definitely saw a price increase. I paid $560 at the Sony website not including shipping or taxes. I don't understand why Sony claims they didn't raise the prices here.
@Deric James The whole point of a bundle is that you get extra things for the set price. I bought the God of War Ragnarok bundle with a disc PS5. Not only did I pay for the game at $560, but it was digital! I bought the disc PS5 on purpose. I like collecting games. It's so greedy! What happened to the good old days of a few years ago where you could buy a bundle with a certain game launch and have the controller and console carry the theme of the game?! I'm genuinely getting tired of Sony's greed. If they didn't have the games I love, I wouldn't even bother. I have owned every single Playstation console over the last 22 years. This is what my loyalty and money deserve? I'm so annoyed that Sony is making me hate them.
Personally I think they've realized errors in their original design, and I don't find it very consumer friendly to cut the cost of your console manufacturing yet charge most of your customers 20-50 beans more. The XSX might be a blocky looking thing but there is no need for liquid metal and there is virtually no wasted space inside that console. At the same time, it theoretically performs better with that compact design. It's an engineering feat, really. I wish my PS5 was a simple block design, and smaller. Maybe in a couple of years? These design tweaks don't really matter when it's just sitting there on your desk. No one would ever know. I'd like to see a form design overhaul. Just give me a blocky black box with some subtle creative touches. PS consoles have been ugly af since the PS2. The PS4 didn't look terrible but man I hated trying to fiddle with the back of that damn console without completely spinning the back towards me.
I agree with you. But I fault every console I’ve ever had from Atari to our current gen. Every console has to be as small as possible to look nice on a shelf. In the meantime every nerd’s PC has a nice beefy chassis and large fans for better airflow and tempts. The stupidity of smaller to look better has only limited the potentials of these consoles, and idiots eat that shit up. People are part of the problem. If anything they should continue to make components on PS5 smaller, keep the same size case, add better vents and bigger fans. Anything to lower tempts. But you think idiots would like the look of this when thy open up their PS5? Unless we’ve figured out a safe and practical consumer method to deal with heat in a compact space we shouldn’t be fucking with small cases. Only reason I play consoles is because I’m OK with about mid level graphics. And I do appreciate the extra work that devs put into optimizing performance. This new PS5’s smaller heat sink is questionable though. Only time will tell. I’m sure Sony’s team of engineers have reworked stuff to make it stable for now. But look at the disaster of the PS4 Slim crapping the frame rates with the more graphical intense games. Let’s hope they didn’t do the same thing here.
@@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur on waht earth has MS made any products that is actually good to use, not some junky as marketing materials that is only good for advertising not for using.
im curious - did the base ps4 and ps4 pro get this many revisions? if they did, I sure never heard about them back in the day; I also find it odd that they have 3 model revisions when people still cant get their hands on the FIRST model 🤔
@@dapperfan44 yes - i just find it *odd* that they have 2 revisions already when a majority of people havent even been able to *see* a 1st revision model let alone a second one
@@kendog0013 The revisions (smaller heatsink, fewer components, lighter weight overall, etc.) were likely made so that they can build and ship PS5s cheaper and faster compared to the OG model. Every little efficiency improvement of their supply and manufacturing chain can really add up considering the scale of the demand. So if they didn't come up with these last 2 revisions, then there would probably be even fewer PS5s available out there.
Well.... why would they make it lighter? It is not going to be any more portable right? They are probably saving costs by removing extra cooling and things since they did have to increase the selling price. Edit: PS5 1000 model and the 1200 model perform same. 1000 has better cooling and more efficient, 1100 has a better and efficient design and 1200 is a mox of those. So the 1200 is efficient in cooling, more cost effective with less not-needed material.
Because the chip manufacturing is getting refined, meaning the hardware is more efficient than it was in the earlier models, so it doesn't need the same level of cooling.
@@catgirldoll yeah, my take from this video is that it's the efficient cooling of 1000 and better and cost effective design of 1100 mixed with more cooling efficiency.
Doubt there has been a shrink. TSMC nodes are more marketing names than anything else. Have you seen the thermals from AMDs new 7000 series CPUs which are on 5nm ? And there are very small die
6 nm is the same as 7 nm except that it's cheaper to manufacture so yes there's probably a 6 nm SoC inside 1200 series. But it's probably doesn't reduce power consumption.
@@ohwow2074 Moving to newer process won't be a cheaper solution especially with how mature TSMC 7nm is now. Be able to tell when they measure the die, the 7nm one was 308mm2
It’s not better theirs 3 variants and they all perform the same & keep in mind the new one is cheaper they swapped over to cheaper parts to mass produce without loosing to much money
They haven't raised the price in the US, but the only PS5 you can pretty much find is the $550 model with a bundled game, essentially raising the price and giving you a free game.
The motherboard sure does look a lot shorter, even the bottom is trimmed! Seems wasted inside such a big case now more than ever.
On the bright side u can make an even smaller ps5
World’s smallest PS5 2.0?
you should make a new ps5 slim, or even a portable ps5
More storage potential
I might be wrong, but to me, it seems like they trimmed it to be able to possibly fit it in a future PS5 Slim, and also, so they can have more shared parts between the different versions in the future, to reduce production costs... But i do agree with the fact that the space seems a little bit wasted, although, that does seem to help with the airflow and better cooling of the console...
As a person living outside of the US, I always appreciate it when you measure stuff in kilograms and meters (I am aware that they are Canadians and that Canadians use the metric system. But many TH-camrs choose to use the Imperial system to just please the Americans)
I love how the 1100 and 1200 model wobble on the scale, just like when placed on a completely flat surface, the 1200 with more wobble.
As an American, the metric system is just objectively superior to the imperial system. For instance, why is an inch divided into 16ths? Why is a foot 12 inches? Why is a yard 3 feet? There is no continuity.
Absolutely
@@ImagoDei360 no he is saying it is worse
@@ImagoDei360 Your reading comprehension was caught slacking
The new plastic fins on the chassis are probably channels for airflow when the PS5 is put back together. They probably studied the airflow inside the console and those fins help to direct the hot air to the outside of the console. I would say that it is ok to decrease the size of the heatsink as long as the air flows through it and cools the console adequately.
"They PROBABLY studied" nah
Smaller main PCB creating lower resistance so less current to run is my guess. Less beefy power delivery etc all adding up to 10% less power draw so less heat to remove again adding to efficiency. It will also make it cheaper to build, more boards cut from a sheet etc. Makes the price height more galling. I'd like to see the quality/thickness of the PCB, if they've cheapened out there as well then I would personally avoid this model because that is what caused the reliability issues (despite MS's claims) with the 360, the cheap board they used flexed under heat damaging components, in the case of the 360 causing a power fluctuation in one of the chips causing it to fail. I have no doubt you are right about the placement of the fins, it's a simple way to improve air flow and reinforce the structure at no extra cost other than the new injection moulds at the plastic factory.
Should have been done before it launched tbh
If you look at their position, if they just put in two fans above and below the heat pipe arrangement, aiming towards the back, that would dramatically reduce the overflow of heat coming off that CPU/GPU/BIOS/Storage block section. Especially as those pipes just transfer it all over the place. That's definitely as you said to alleviate some of that excess heat transferring before it circles over other parts of the board.
@@darthwiizius Idk I don't think you can cut power draw by THAT much by shrinking the PCB.
20-30W decrease is about the same as every Xbox 360 mobo revisions that did a die shrink.
This can be a possible step preparation for a PS5 Slim as soon as this gets in the hands of the consumer so they can get more performance feedback from real world use.
This guy was onto them😂
The new 12XX PS5 models have a new updated APU from AMD which is more efficient than the other models. So, Sony had to redesign a lot and there you have the difference.
What is _efficient_ supposed to mean, lower power consumption, less heat exhaust, better airflow, what?
@@lapis591 all of em
@@lapis591 It's on 6nm instead of 7nm. 1200 costs Sony 12% less to make.
Model 1200 is another example of a situation where technological deflation should cause lower prices, but it doesn't, because of monetary inflation or other reasons. 🙁
@@Kynareth6 PS5 CFI-1000 is RM2299 in Malaysia
PS5 CFI-1100 (before price hike) is the same, but less materials, which they should have save some material cost to coup with it, but no, Sony take a shitty move to increase the price to RM2499 despite they have saved the material cost
Then come the CFI-1200, which decrease the material cost drastically again, and using newer revision of chipset, which also cost them cheaper to produce overall, and yet they keeping the price as RM2499 instead of lowering them
I think this is Sony trying to optimise what they have for a future slim version, knowing the thermal constraints are fully along with better power management.
Then why release it to general public?
@@ssnjr1299 because majority of them are the guinea pigs! Stick with a day 1 console! The PS5 is what the PS4 Pro should of been and the Series X the XB1X should of been! None run at native 4K120, none run at native 4K60 with RT... point is, these aren't exactly upgrades and the heat dissipation and thermal tests and none are really better because they've cheaped out on the heatsink! They want to make money on these consoles and this is how they do it! They strip every component they can and knock off every dollar they can until they please the shareholders!.
@@SSNebula 🤡
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@@ssnjr1299 the question you should ask, why people buy it? Sony know demand for ps5 is high so to rnd just for ps5 slim will take time "probably". Instead they use this way, making the internal smaller each year until the internal small enough we will see the ps5 slim "hopefully". That's just my guess.
That additional plastic that you called "support" are actually air guides. Definitely will make it cooler and more efficient because of that. Now, it should be easier to make water blocks to cool the PS5 more :D
@thebiggestxboxfan04 This comment so stupid it's funny
I noticed the air guides too. That’s why this version runs cooler with the help of a smaller motherboard. But I still heard coil whine from the safety capacitors in the power supply though.
@thebiggestxboxfan04 lol your name is enough to say that your 12
@@karansharma-je1se ong bro probably has gaybox
base ps5 is cooler and more efficient as it is, there's no need to even upgrade.
Few issues with the testing methods (which can be improved):
- Noise level is depended on the distance. Hold it closer and it will be louder. In theory, 2 times further away is -3dB. So don't hold it to close (it is not a mic), but a couple of inches. Try 6 inches, it is al you need (that's what she said).
- also always measure your ground noise level. 45dB in a 20dB room is audible. 45dB in a 40dB room isn't. To a certain point, noise perception is relative. People with quiet rooms at home will hear the PS5.
- The temperature of the heat sink is not interesting. High temperature of the heat sink could mean, it transports the heat very well from the SOC to the air (=good heat sink), but a high temperature could also mean the SOC is very hot and the heat sink does cool enough (=bad heat sink). The only interesting temp is the temp of the SOC itself (by using a probe in between the heat sink and the SOC)
- A FLIR isn't precise in measuring the temperature. A FLIR measures the infrared non visible light. Infrared is an indicator of temperature, but is definitely not perfect. Light can reflect of surfaces, so the temperature you are measuring could be reflected IR of another object. Dark object reflect much less IR than light objects. Also dark object emits more IR than light object. This is basic optica! FLIR only gives a good indication of temperature. It gives on indication of which part is hotter and which is colder.
- I don't know if this is possible with your FLIR, but try to fix values (some can). Don't put white on highest temperature, but put it on a fix temp like 65°C and put blue on like 25°C. Much more easy to compare between images...
- The FLIR was still useful in your video. You said that the heat was emitted top to bottom, which is a correct useful statement.
Thanks for this video!
Well done👏
Bruh u wrote a whole fucking essay in a comment
@@Yvesnation771 shows how many mistakes Austin makes...
He made the exact same mistake of measuring exhaust temps. Again...
Gee, if I taped up my laptop fans so it doesnt move hot air, therefore no hot exhaust, it must be better right 🤦🤦
So the remaining thing is 20w lower power draw - I would GUESS that it's the result of better chip binning, resulting in a lower operating voltage to maintain the same core frequencies
from passed experience the original playstation models always used higher quality builds, as they tweak them it’s mostly to reduce cost so the the original consoles are usually always better quality and last the longest.
Precisely..
Exactly, they did the same with PS3
The original model ps3 has solder bump issue causing them to get the yellow light of death more often than any other model. It actually wasn’t until the PS3 slim that they addressed the issue and made the console last longer.
In fact launch ps3s are so prone to the yellow light of death that it’s becoming harder and harder to find one and they’re in high demand since they’re the only ones with the build in hardware for backward capability that was phased out in later models.
Sorry that may be true but disc sound and rattling in ps4 and ps3.
The reason for the lower power consumption is most likely due to improved silicon (eg. less leakage etc.)
also less power spent on cooling
and would you say this can result in less performance in a sense? approximately 10% is wat ppl think?
@@TorutheRedFox and would you say this can result in less performance in a sense? approximately 10% is wat ppl think?
@@ayocjwtf no as it performs the same, if not better because of decreased thermal output
@@ayocjwtf no it actually performs better!
Hey austin im in tech. The relayout from the board probably used more efficient components, which result in lower power loss = better thermals. Considering the pcb shrunk, its highly likely less components were used, not just a relayout of components. Resulting in further cost down and even less power loss = better thermals. Retooling for the new plastics is negligible due to high demand of ps5. So yeah, same price, more money saved per year, and this is a post-NPI (sustaining) build they probably did one big sustaining validation given all the new parts.
New components can likely just need less power input.
So you’re saying just build a pc then
Question : The CMOS Battery is right under the Heatsink, almost touching it. Is that O.K. ? Or could it be a Problem at some Point ? I don't know much about this Stuff... i'm not into Tech, i'm a Gardener 😅
Yeah but it's not the same price
@CH H Sadly you are totally wrong. Sony now uses an APU made in 6nm instead of 7nm. Thats why Thermals and power are better now.
and would you say this can result in less performance in a sense? approximately 10% is wat ppl think?
That's not the Australian model. The Aussie model only works when mounted upside down to the ceiling and is powered by Vegemite.
Well Meta raised the price on the Quest 2. Hardware that's been around for 2 years as well. I mean it went up by $100 dollars. I think it's a bad look for any company to raise the price of a product they have already released.
The less power consumption is likely due to it running cooler. When things run cooler they become more efficient and draw less power. They probably used better thermal paste and better air flow control.
they are using liquid metal, because thermal paste is not conductive enough for the heat from the SoC tothe heat spreader
No, it will have less power because its performance has been toned down, reduced power means less heat produced
@@bladeclanhalo3 performance has been toned down? Please stop spreading misinformation
@@dmvsye can't force you to be right
Hopefully these improvements can lead to a slim model soon
Lovin' the vibe and feel of the new studio.
@Don't Read My Profile Photo okay, you should stop this. this isn't funny anymore. I have seen so many "dOnT rEad mY pRofiLe piC" that it's not funny anymore. just stop already.
Well, they weren't looking so happy tho... I felt a bit of tension among them.
@@RealNeonPlayz they are bots they wont stop
@@hecticgunner8723 that's the thing
@@RealNeonPlayz yeah, they are meant to do that and they dont respond
5:04 since decibels are logarithmic, the 1100 PS5 is actually A LOT quieter than the 1000. 5dB are really much more than you would imagine.
The decibel scale is *logarithmic.
You were close tho
By definition -10dB is 10 times more quiet. 10^(5dB/10) is 3.16 times louder. +3dB is 2 times louder.
But because we have a big range our ears can manage (25dB to 85dB; +60dB is 1.000.000 times louder), a difference of 3 dB is just audible.
@Milizé or ps4 which sounds like a jet about to take off!!!
@@codmonster1493 Never had any problems with mine. Sure, I opened it up and replaced the thermal compund but even with RDR2, it was quiet enough to sometimes even not be noticed.
My 1100 PS5 fan speeds are quiet. But the coil whine is definitely not.
Love the new studio guys. And the smaller thermals and smaller motherboard really shows they are cutting down cost to produce these things and at the same time are charging people more money. Typical Sony with their anti consumer policies while making wrong excuses.
My main concern is why Masayasu Ito PS5 design engineer retired just before the news posts of this remake, and he made no comment on the new design. If Sony were upfront with customers, you'd think they would have thrown the guy a retirement Press announcement, displaying all of his works, and how they led to this new revision, and why we should be satisfied with the changes. Really shady that we have to learn these things from second-hand sources.
if your getting the same or better performance... does it matter? you pay to play the games with reliable performance not the heat sink that was placed on it.
@@gshockstyles If consumers are getting components that may wear down sooner or give out over shorter, then yes, it does matter.
@@lapis591 does anyone know if it will wear down quickly??
@@lapis591 how did you know? did you make a test?
It all came out of the Heatsink. It isn't better. The 1100 series is probably the best. they use square stamps and thermal contacts that make closer to 100% contact to the memory modules across the motherboard Vs the round stamps on the 1000 that only cover 30%-40% of the memory chips surface area. Yes, the heatsink on the 1100 is slightly smaller than the 1000 but it also has better heat transference due to the longer heat tubes into the fins. Pulls OUT more heat from the functional parts of the system. the 1200 has a lower wattage draw which tells me that the processing power is greatly reduced you just cant see it yet. That heat pipe is encased in the 1000 and 1100 models, I'm guessing they considered it best to leave it exposed to leech out heat through those huge "ports" they cut into the plastic body. As soon as you flipped them the 1100 was the clear winner. they got rid of that flow-blocking heatsink and incorporated its thermal load into the longer heat-tube with the fins that the fan can actually blow air through. DANG the heat management is leaps better than the 1000 on the 1100. On the 1200 it looks like they shortened the fin contacts on both tube stacks. less power=less heat=less performance
got my digital one last year in Feb. now I gotta check the box number because idk which version mine is
Thanks man, I was worried I got the short end of the stick when I got my PS5 1100 model today. Very thoroughly elaborated and puts my mind at ease. Was worried about the higher temperatures and smaller heatsink compared to the others initially but after reading your insight my mind has been out to ease. Thanks man!
Only reason why they reduce weight is to optimize shipping costs. From a customer perspective we need to focus on the quality of the product and if it was affected in any way
and would you say this can result in less performance in a sense? approximately 10% is wat ppl think?
@@ayocjwtf it depends on what they have taken out or if they just used lighter materials. But with these changes u never know. They will say it is the same and it will be hard to tell for the consumer. Long term use will give the answer
The lower power draw is fairly easy to account for. The new board is clearly optimized better than the previous generations that were very likely iterative on the same design. Simply shortening the traces will improve efficiency and thus reduce power draw (not the full 20w obviously). I would imagine they have also integrated more on the new design, fewer, more integrated ICs to save on both manufacturing cost and improve efficiency. This is common practice with consoles. When the PS5 launched Sony would have been under a deadline crunch and would need to use whatever chips they had available to get these out the door. Integrating multiple ICs into one takes time to both design and fab, this is why you so often see smaller, less dense motherboards on later model consoles. Better efficiency also means less heat to dissipate, hence the smaller cooling solution. Bare in mind we are 2 years on from launch and many of the ICs will have seen upgrades in design, possibly even smaller fab nodes. Even without design changes on the core components (CPU/GPU), we will be seeing better yields with lower voltage requirements to be stable at the target clocks. This is normal across all CPU/GPU fab nodes as they mature.
I suspect the price premiums are due to economic factors. The US being excluded makes sense as it has seen less inflation than most of the rest of the world. The Euro is down about 15% - 20% of what it was not too long ago, ~$1.2 to 1 euro vs 1 to 1 more or less right now. That equates to about the same price in the US as Europe adjusting for comparative inflation.
So do you think this is probably a better model than a launch sku? Seems like it to me from a casual perspective
@@captaincrunch1707 More efficient, lighter, better integrated so yeah, it should be. Personally I would wait for the next iteration or at least wait a while to see if there are any flaws that crop up with the revised design before buying.
easiest way to get 20 watts and reducing heat would be to reduce the frequency of the gpu, the higher you go in mhz, the less efficient it is, and the ps5 had about 500mhz over xbox gpu
With the watch battery covering up by the heatsink. Over time, it could decay the watch battery faster than the 1000 and 1100 models where the watch battery is by itself
I thought they put it there to keep it cool, they just forgot a round thermal pad for the top of the battery. JK of course
@@joshuaadams4945 good one.
I don't know if you can call this "cuting down the quality" like some folks are saying, with better engineering you can get the same results spending less... but, of course, they're using less material while also raising the price... Sony is being really greedy this generation, while Xbox is doing the oposite and offering more and more value for the same price, dangerous game for sony.
Be careful what u day. These sony zombies will respond with comments like enjoy bo games for 2022 bullshit all these losers try saying. I love my ps5 and series x.
I think the 1000 model's has higher power consumption than 1200 model is because it has more heatsink so more heat is dumped ie it stays cooler hence for same temperature it'd has more performance and hence more power consumption, in the video as you saw the Temps of 1200 and 1000 models are almost same!
They surely could have added more storage at this point. 2 tb have never hurt anyone and would justify the price increase, since they have basically been removing stuff and increased the price with 0 new features to justify it
Look at the price of m.2 SSD’s for the better ones that have the speed to match the default it’s $100 difference in price between 1tb and 2tb.
If they added 2tb for the ps5 it would raise the price higher since the price of m.2 ssds are up there, i just bought one 2tb m.2 and it cost me $210
I got a 4tb expasnin mvne firecuda and its full.... Sadly 8tb dont work perfecly fine 😢
They buy in bulk. They don't pay what you pay. @@vicrattlehead5051
Oh, boy. I wonder what the comment section is gonna say after the last time Austin took a look at a PS5...
yep, i cant wait for the ponies to start getting in here. also the 1200 model he says reminds me of lga 1200 intel socket
@@mariodelrio1694 Frankly 1200 just makes me think there's a 1.2 liter gasoline engine inside that.
I love pony salt
Well I don't think I've been here to see a new video upload so early
It’ll be the same because he still used a mobile app thermal camera hahaha.
Austin, I love you and your entire team’s content, but this video gave me an aneurism due to the contant shifting of the 3 models on the screen.
Please, when inevitably Sony releases a 4th one, pick an order for the models left to right or whatever and stick to it because this was just needlessly confusing
Its literally labeled which one is which
You always put the new product in the middle and not to the side as they are the main focus on the content. OLD stuff while still presented are always on the side. Plus they were clearly labled.
Right, I love how they put the 1200 in the middle for most the video, even though it belonged on the right. Guess 3rd come 2nd served. At least first was first.
The PS5 I got was manufactured in October 2021 so it's the CFI-1115A model. Performs great, it's quiet and doesn't overhead at all. It's a true joy to have! Very excited and curious to see what Sony will do for the Slim model if they decide to make one. All these updates seem to be going in the right direction, although I'll keep my current model due to the proven reliability I've had with it so far
Mine too!!!
CFI-1115A from November 2021 still doing great here!! Hasn't ever overheated or anything.
Been waiting for this video! I’m getting a 1200 model ps5 today! Can’t wait to try it out. Walmart has had them on stock for weeks.
It was interesting to see how the first version missed a few ram modules which cooled the cpu nicely, then the second model made better ram contact which was great while only rising cpu temps a bit due to thermal transfering through the heatsink, I wonder how this new design differs when it comes to the actual temps vs the other ones. The lower readings of the heatsink can go both ways of better cooling or poor heat absorbtion. We shall see hopefully
didnt even know this was a thing, just looked on the box and i have a 1215A model. Which is nice
The old models were discontinued a year ago...
Interesante como ahora sony fabrico la ps5. Veo que la placa madre es más corta, disipador más pequeño, pero más eficiente en consumo eléctrico. Ahora con esas reducciones fuera que sony hiciera la ps5 más pequeña. Bueno creo que pronto veremos la ps5 slim???.. saludos hermano Austin
Es como la primera versión se calienta un culo pero es más eficiente en consumo eléctrico lo único rescatable.
Qué modelo es mejor en términos de materiales y rendimiento? el hecho de tener menos materiales un buen indicio de que es una buena consola ( me refiero a la última) en comparación a la primera?
I will eventually get a PS5, and I’m glad when I do, it will have several improvements over the original model-still satisfied with my PS4 Slim right now
Since I have had my Console from the beginning (when originally released), I should receive an order for a new one in about over a week from now. - Mainly because I believe Sony have improved a few things on newly pressed models.
It has barely any improvements the original is still better
LESS POWER => lower thermals to compensate for the smaller heatsink basically its power throttled to 200 watts, same architecture same 7 nm no way they are gonna redesign the chip (apu) is way to expensive which means lower frequencies as a result worse performance also with smaller motherbard contributes to less plexiglass and copper layers making it cheaper overall. An even bigger disappointment by sony
Do b chasis is better than this new ?
I like your format with your friends hanging out with you :) Pretty unique in tech
Seems like Sony is 'inching' towards a PS5 slim. If they were able to trim up that much of the motherboard, they could most certainly reduce manufacturing costs by having a smaller chassis as well. I was hoping the would have a matte finish chassis by now.
The PS3 got slimmed internally before externally, but the cost savings to company were reflected at retail prices and reduction, here we are getting the opposite.
The 1000 will outlast all of these. Every move I've seen here is a cost cutting measure.
No is worst lel
@@Ziddel y 1200 is best then 1100 and 1000 is worst launch model always worst in every console launch time ya salame
@@Ziddel Well let's see here. 90% of people will never open it and clean the heat sink or fan. The 1200 and 1100 will have dust in them and with less heat sink will end up running hotter faster. Just because the thing is more efficient out of the box doesn't mean it's going to stay that way. The 1000 having way more potential to cool itself after dust build up will run cooler longer. If you don't believe me than you don't know how heat dissipation works lol
@@pranacale4460 base ps 5 is crap laudest fan worst heat protection they other 2 models have brighter warming protection. All heat is focused on 1 area by the base ps 5 bro G I A. Also the 1100 version cpu cooling is 8 degrees less then first model lmao. Biggest heatsink means nothing when its bad build lel.
1215a is best
Initial thoughts, they had to have spent more money in R&D, fab modifications, etc.. than what they will save in parts costs and could have kept it at the old price.
the new office is looking nice.
The new plastic looks more like it's made to redirect airflow, instead of for adding weight.
I think this is the most coverage a different version of the same system has gotten when it's literally the same system rather than something completely different like when you go from an Xbox 360 to an Xbox 360 s to an Xbox 360 e.
But you don't hear people talking about the different revisions of the original Xbox 360 back in the day in this kind of way.
youtube was an entirely different place back in the 360 era, people didnt really make money here.
Well, the first few versions of X360 (that looked the same on the outside), did get some coverage in media because of the Red Ring of Death problem. The Jasper revision essentially fixed it.
(I still own a working Jasper X360 from 2009)
I agree, the only shame is that there was so much more coverage to be had. This is a partial teardown, with many components yet to get the inspection they deserve.
Love the new set. nothing can beat the old one, But this comes pretty close
Since the motherboard is so much smaller, I'd assume they both reduced the amount of traces (less copper to put power into means less leaked power) and chips (eg : old chip "A" and "B" are replaced with a single new chip "C" that can handle the latter 2's tasks; OR New Chip "Y" just consumes less power than old chip "X" to handle the same task(s)). I'd also take a look at the VRMs to see if the layout and/or serial numbers changed.
The blades of the fan are different and seem to have a lower mass, so it's also possible that it takes less Amperes to move a fixed amount of air.
Also the air seems to have a easier time going through the back of the PS5, with new holes and pieces of plastics to better guide the air. This could mean that there's a lower need for static pressure to allow the air to actually push through those fins => again, lower power requirements for the fan.
Or maybe it's just the APU that finally got shrinked to 6nm, but I find it unlikely since a die shrink should allow for a slim design of the PS5
Are these changes better?
Talk about cost cutting...just to increase the price. 😂
I just realized I was not subscribed!? I watch a lot of your videos. I'm subscribing now!
Next the 1300 model that's even more powerful for some reason
there is probably not gonna be another new model just like the original ps4 that ended on 1200 and just got a slim version
Nah after that model it goes to Slim model.
1300 will overheat for sure.
@@vickybengali nope wrong
Ps5 sends temperature and power draw stats to Sony. And over time they use these numbers to create newer more efficient models. They also use these numbers to send fan updates allowing them to customise fan speeds to specific games, making the system even quieter.
and it would be a bad idea since games run on ps5 now are really not that demanding at all, remember when I play Last of us on PS3, its fan just sounds like a jet engine, same thing happened to my ps4 pro , with more demanding game coming out in future, it is a bad idea to downgrade the heatsink or fan
to add more information, I bought ps4 pro when it comes out, It is really loud, and I heard many people who buy the ps4 pro later don't have the issue as big as mine, cause they have newer model of ps4pro that has better heatsink, what Sony do now on ps5 is quite opposite to it, downgrading hardware to make more profit
@@sundaylee91 tests have shown the newer models are better, did you watch the video? This is because of usage data being used to optimise the system.
Also if you didn’t notice if they had resized the heat sink to not have the tower protrusion on the top left they actually could have made the ps5 like 4-6 inches shorter. Someone should diy a ps5 slim now.
Your late to the party search ps5 slim cooper on TH-cam
Look up PS5 Slim on youtube, thinner than a penny. With a monster power/cooling unit. Full Copper Case.
I mean from what I can gather, the reasoning for the revisions is 95% for production cost cutting. Less material overall but more importantly less copper. The remaining 5% is to overcome any remaining part shortages and to fix any flaws from the earlier models.
All of the other 'improvements' like the additional heat pipe and slots in the outer plastic are most likely there to offset the loss in cooling performance compared to the earlier units with larger heatsinks. This would also explain why the original and the latest model operate at a similar temperature, despite the huge difference in heat dissipating material.
As for power consumption, for the latest model it's most likely a mixture of a more power efficient fan, power supply and chips, but the 1100 using the most out of the 3 will be down to the fan having to spin faster, since the heatsink is smaller but it doesn't have the 'improvements' that the 1200 has, so it'll take more airflow to overcome.
so which model is best
@@irishlad1367The original 1000 model. This is the one Sony wanted everyone to review. It has the largest heatsink with the most copper and hasn't been a result of cost-cutting or part shortage. A bonus is that the majority of these models were also fitted with the Delta fan, which is the quietest one available.
@@tomburnham6640 but I'm guessing that they're no longer available?
@@irishlad1367 Not in production anymore no.
But honestly you'd be ok with any of them.
@@tomburnham6640 thanks, I literally just bought one and it's a 1200 series
I have the 1200 model PS5. Good to know that it’s much more power efficient and has better heat dissipation. The new CMOS battery location probably isn’t a big deal considering those things can last 10-20 years, but it would have been a nice bonus if Sony found a way to keep it easily accessible in the 1200 models.
I remember the last time you made a PS5 comparison video… old models were inflated in price due to the heatsink changes lol
Fg
Lol ffs
They're still selling Old models in some countries.
Old models are actually the cheap version now
With the motherboard must shorter and a lot of open space in the case now, I wouldn't be surprised a slim model is in the works and be announced next year or in early 2024.
A slim model was never in question. The only way, they don’t release a slim, would be if the PS5 was a complete failure.
Slim model to be released in late 2024, it was leaked by a tcl document
Ah good luck with scalpers.
Idc about slim tho they always underperform compared to the fat one
they sneakily raised the ps5 price in the US by $50.. a piece of paper with a code on it probably cost them 5 cents a print
9/10 - Less space for our family, but still warm - Sincerely, The Roaches
love the new backround
Dope, still keeping my day 1 launch model though
Same, and keeping off the internet for when the hacks come out
same
Paying more or less doesn't matter, if we can't even get it in the first place 🤷🏽♂️
It does though, if when you can finally get one you have to pay more for one that is sub-par.
Ill consider it a good PS5 when we start seeing it in stock long enough for people to have a chance to get without having to camp out for the delivery truck.
There are loads of ps5s in stock, way more than xbox, it's just bundled for £600 with stuff people don't want
I walked into a retail store yesterday and bought one off the shelf. I live in a tiny ass country as well where stock of everything is smaller than bigger countries. They are there.
As an aussie I can admit we mass produce Australia smell that gets injected in to everything in everything in Australia :)
7:56 ... "they probably cut some cost by not using the PCB"
Umm.. exsqueeze me? Baking powder? There is literally a PCB underneath the metal you absolute unit.
Even the other dude had to point out to him the metal was added TO THE PCB for heat dissipation... HOW IS THIS A TECH CHANNEL?
They've been huffing pcb all day apparently.
I opted to get a new monster PC instead of a PS5 (for reasons outside of just gaming). I still plan on getting a PS5, but I also wanted to thank everyone for being "early adopters" aka beta testers for the PS5 so I can get (hopefully) the best version when it finally releases. 😂
You won’t be getting the best version, you’ll be getting the version that makes Sony the most money, aka the version that’s made of cheaper material and is missing half the heatsink
Looks like I know what to expect when I get a digital edition. I don’t know how much the disc edition really adds in terms of weight but it felt heavier than 7 pounds, more like probably 8 or 9. I have the newest model, bought mine in November 2022 standing up vertically in my living room right next to my TV. I’m definitely excited at the end of this year to get the digital version in my bedroom. That’s what my goals are for this year, have myself a PlayStation console collection from the PS3 onwards.
The Battery right under the Heatsink, almost touching it...🧐 that can't be better than before, right ? I don't know if that's a good Thing.🤨
Only bad for replacement reasons, though a great design choice. Older consoles get thrown out daily when the onboard battery dies, as they are rendered useless. Make it harder than most would go through trouble to replace, and you get mostly the same end result. It will make for more repurchases rather than repairs, and will help kill off old product line after battery lifespan, thus reducing population of ps5's during ps6 and ps7 era, increasing future demand.
@@joshuaadams4945 thats so scummy for them to do that, especially after the battery controversy it spiraled a year ago.
Talk about turning a left ear wow
Exactly. You don't know
"I don't know" sums up the knowledge of evans on every technical object.
There is no "additional" heatpipe on the back. The 1000 and 1100 have the same heatpipe as the 1200, but underneath the metal shield.
Maybe the new supports are there also for cooling purposes (as in diverting the hot air through the new slits), the PSU might be a bit more efficient or better yet, they might have changed the CPU into a newer version (as you would compare 5800HS vs 6800HS)
No evidence for this all bunch of waffle
Oh yeah, we definitely need a lighter PS5, gotta carry it around and all
Cheaper to make and cheaper to ship so Sony make even more money after the price hike.
@@mancuniangamecat8288 they’re preparing to release a slim model mark my words. I bet it’s coming in 2023
@@fazesw2343 I don't think it will. They will need a 3 nm SoC in order to reduce the power consumption and heat to make it fit into a considerably smaller chassis and 3 nm processors won't be available for Sony and Microsoft until late 2024. Apple and Nvidia and Intel will buy most of those chips from TSMC so nothing for Sony and Microsoft.
@@fazesw2343 Probably not. The fact that it's still impossible for most people who don't follow notifications accounts to go to any major retailer website and order a PS5, along with the price hike, means that it will basically be a slap in the face to anybody who have tried to get their hands on the PS5 for the past 3 years if a new model cames out.
They want it lighter so that it is easier to knock over when placed in their wobbly upright position, causing more repairs. At least that is how it plays out in the real world. Watch those wagging tails!
Majority of us can't even get the 1000 model, how did we end up getting the 1200 model??? 🤔
You can buy the bundle right now for 549.99 & it comes with forbidden west so its not a waste buy. Walmart & playstation direct have them. Just bought my 3rd ps5.
@@GeniusButton yep that confirms the PS5 is 550 in the US
@@kubeanie18 I mean you can still get the disc version for 500.00 but they sell out fast so disc version bundle for 550.00 is a very good deal right now.
@@GeniusButton what?! I've been sleeping on that?! Might consider buying it... But gonna wait for better games to come out. 🤔
@@suhtangwong its worth it. & you don't like forbidden west you can just sell the code to get some money back. But I actually like the game. Very vivid & beautiful scenery. Story & gameplay great too
The harder to replace CMOS is a big downside to me.
To understand it better just mod them with a kernel modification and run some tests such as stress tests alongside diagnostics report on all 3!
Less material, 50€ more, "well done" Sony 👌
Less is more
I love how chip shortage slows manufacturing so much that they can just update and optimize the console on the go
Austin thank you for another awesome video. Keep up the good work! I hope that you and those around you don't get doxed, harassed and receive any death threats.
Any fanboys who are watching this, remember it's just a video about a videogames console and that's all it is and ever will be. There is no need to get upset, angry and defensive about it. You made a complete mockery of yourselves last time with the way that you behaved especially when you doubled down by trying justifying the harrasment, doxing and death threats 🤦♂
🌎 lol get doxxed 🌎
Thank you guys so much. I just got the 1200 version and was panicking when I tried to upgrade the SSD and didn't have the green board as shown in every video online.
Lmao Spidey senses. Well it is an Australian one.
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My guess is that the PSU is heavier and has more efficient component and that's why it was using less power than the others
If the power supply is using less power, it has less power to transfer. And my guess is that the power supply is lighter, with the same efficiency, but just draws less and transports less. Less for your buck, but savings in the long term, electricity wise.
You don’t know how power supply efficiency works. Higher efficiency means, you loose less power going from the socket to the components.
Nice unboxing, now to find one at the store and not overpriced online😬
The closest i'll ever get to owning a PS5 in New Zealand is watching these videos
If you’d ordered one, you’d already have it
@@juraj_b no shops are taking preorders. I could buy one second hand, or place a preorder in America and get it shipped, but that’s outrageous money
@@joshjordan1868 better off with Xbox anyway
You are not missing out. I got rid of mine promptly, and the friends I have that own them... are constantly on the edge of selling. Some do love them and would never replace, and if that were, I am sorry. At least you weren't promised one "Valve Steam deck 1 year preorder still not fulfilled here", so you are not alone in hopes and dreams being crushed. There are people like me though, with access to them on store shelves and capabilities to ship. Unfortunately, most people are out to make money, so good friends are limited. I, myself, would just feel grateful to be in a country so fine as New Zealand.
@@joshuaadams4945 Only reason I don't get rid of my stuff, is my 3 teen kids, since I've amassed an obscenely large collection over the years... If the economy does fully collapse, I'm gonna sell it all to some snobby rich kid... Gotta play the long game...
i am shocked theyve done 3 revisions, this one 2 years into the life cycle no less. shame it makes it cost more (in some markets) but it does make some sense given the big-ish changes
first reports: on 1200 Version, the big cooler can break from the Metalplate because its ONLY GLUED!!! not screwed anymore...
Watch the German TH-cam Video "PS5 1216A/B überhitzt in wenigen Sekunden"
So it's definitely a bad look and also super shady that the price increases aren't equal everywhere, no raise at all in the states.
They could be raising costs to cover the redesigned engineering inside the console and/or the cost of changes to the manufacturing process.
I bet this redesign is in response to backlash from how poor thermals/power draw are managed in the 1100 models. It's possible they are using the price hike to push the cost of their own mistakes on consumers. yikes.
I will say, the video really makes this ps5 look enticing, as cool as the original model while also drawing less power. More efficient than either previous model in both using and manufacturing it. Sony could have had a huge win win here if they hadn't gotten greedy.
Well said mate I don't have a PS5 and I live in Australia. But yeah it has incased price not sure if model 1000 or 1200 better.
@@trusttrumppeaceandlove1859 I'm in Perth and expecting my second PS5 soon.
@@joshfulcifan1015 lol bro I sent this 4 months ago well I still don't have a PS5 I have gamepass on Xbox atm,
Thankyou for the video guys - so informative. I live in Australia and have my second PS5 console on it's way to me. And hopefully this time it's a 1200 model. (CFI - 1202B). And just to clarify, in your opinion with what you have compared - does our Australian 1200 model add up to be the best?
I really love the fact, that Sony is just making it plain simple to upgrade the ssd/hdd.. and do so for many years now!
And not as uncomfortable as microsoft is doing it with their consoles.. (I own a xbox, cause I’m a xbox dude, but yeah Sony is way better with their repairability!) ❤
The U.S definitely saw a price increase. I paid $560 at the Sony website not including shipping or taxes. I don't understand why Sony claims they didn't raise the prices here.
Oh they did and PS5s are finally available to buy but only bundles like $459 or $559.
@Deric James The whole point of a bundle is that you get extra things for the set price. I bought the God of War Ragnarok bundle with a disc PS5. Not only did I pay for the game at $560, but it was digital! I bought the disc PS5 on purpose. I like collecting games. It's so greedy! What happened to the good old days of a few years ago where you could buy a bundle with a certain game launch and have the controller and console carry the theme of the game?! I'm genuinely getting tired of Sony's greed. If they didn't have the games I love, I wouldn't even bother. I have owned every single Playstation console over the last 22 years. This is what my loyalty and money deserve? I'm so annoyed that Sony is making me hate them.
Austin “I have it and you don’t “ 🤣🤣🤣
Personally I think they've realized errors in their original design, and I don't find it very consumer friendly to cut the cost of your console manufacturing yet charge most of your customers 20-50 beans more. The XSX might be a blocky looking thing but there is no need for liquid metal and there is virtually no wasted space inside that console. At the same time, it theoretically performs better with that compact design. It's an engineering feat, really. I wish my PS5 was a simple block design, and smaller. Maybe in a couple of years?
These design tweaks don't really matter when it's just sitting there on your desk. No one would ever know. I'd like to see a form design overhaul. Just give me a blocky black box with some subtle creative touches. PS consoles have been ugly af since the PS2. The PS4 didn't look terrible but man I hated trying to fiddle with the back of that damn console without completely spinning the back towards me.
that is the reason ur weakbox is weak
I agree with you. But I fault every console I’ve ever had from Atari to our current gen. Every console has to be as small as possible to look nice on a shelf. In the meantime every nerd’s PC has a nice beefy chassis and large fans for better airflow and tempts.
The stupidity of smaller to look better has only limited the potentials of these consoles, and idiots eat that shit up. People are part of the problem.
If anything they should continue to make components on PS5 smaller, keep the same size case, add better vents and bigger fans. Anything to lower tempts. But you think idiots would like the look of this when thy open up their PS5?
Unless we’ve figured out a safe and practical consumer method to deal with heat in a compact space we shouldn’t be fucking with small cases.
Only reason I play consoles is because I’m OK with about mid level graphics. And I do appreciate the extra work that devs put into optimizing performance.
This new PS5’s smaller heat sink is questionable though. Only time will tell. I’m sure Sony’s team of engineers have reworked stuff to make it stable for now. But look at the disaster of the PS4 Slim crapping the frame rates with the more graphical intense games. Let’s hope they didn’t do the same thing here.
@@zihechen3111 the Xbox Series X is more powerful and has better options and they didn't need to fix the Xbox because it's perfect as is!
@@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur u mean a console runs elden ring 10% less fps 10% less resolution is more powerful? In what universe are you talking about?
@@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur on waht earth has MS made any products that is actually good to use, not some junky as marketing materials that is only good for advertising not for using.
so less ps5, for a higher price
Less is more
im curious - did the base ps4 and ps4 pro get this many revisions?
if they did, I sure never heard about them back in the day; I also find it odd that they have 3 model revisions when people still cant get their hands on the FIRST model 🤔
yes the Base PS4 got the 1000,1100 and 1200 and pro models got the 7000, 7100 and 7200
There are 9 different PS4's. 3 in each model... but I always prefer the first one.... revision is to cut costs, this can influence the useful life.
You are aware these revisions straight up replaced the original models in stores?
@@dapperfan44 yes - i just find it *odd* that they have 2 revisions already when a majority of people havent even been able to *see* a 1st revision model let alone a second one
@@kendog0013 The revisions (smaller heatsink, fewer components, lighter weight overall, etc.) were likely made so that they can build and ship PS5s cheaper and faster compared to the OG model. Every little efficiency improvement of their supply and manufacturing chain can really add up considering the scale of the demand. So if they didn't come up with these last 2 revisions, then there would probably be even fewer PS5s available out there.
Austin should sell drugs with that weight system
New PS5? I still haven’t found the original launch version.
Tbf I'm with the 1100 model and I'm just happy I was lucky enough to grab that. Not considering owt else till the pro or PS6 at this point
1100 is the best version and soon it will be quite rare.
I have the 1100 version and it's never gave me any trouble ,love it
Well.... why would they make it lighter? It is not going to be any more portable right?
They are probably saving costs by removing extra cooling and things since they did have to increase the selling price.
Edit: PS5 1000 model and the 1200 model perform same. 1000 has better cooling and more efficient, 1100 has a better and efficient design and 1200 is a mox of those.
So the 1200 is efficient in cooling, more cost effective with less not-needed material.
Because the chip manufacturing is getting refined, meaning the hardware is more efficient than it was in the earlier models, so it doesn't need the same level of cooling.
@@catgirldoll yeah, my take from this video is that it's the efficient cooling of 1000 and better and cost effective design of 1100 mixed with more cooling efficiency.
@@catgirldoll 😆 keep telling yourself that, they did it to make money. Just like any other console maker
@@Davidsmithisyourdad as long as it performs the same what's the problem? 💀
I mean, it draws less power and runs cooler. So if the performance did not take a hit, then it's overall better than the previous generations, no?
I heard it received a slightly updated chip in terms that the old chip was 7nm and the new one is 6nm so I guess it reduces heat by a little bit
Doubt there has been a shrink. TSMC nodes are more marketing names than anything else.
Have you seen the thermals from AMDs new 7000 series CPUs which are on 5nm ? And there are very small die
6 nm is the same as 7 nm except that it's cheaper to manufacture so yes there's probably a 6 nm SoC inside 1200 series. But it's probably doesn't reduce power consumption.
@@ohwow2074 Moving to newer process won't be a cheaper solution especially with how mature TSMC 7nm is now.
Be able to tell when they measure the die, the 7nm one was 308mm2
@@grumpyoldgamerUK that's something that this guy can't do. You need a professional to measure that.
@@ohwow2074 it doesn't take much to work out die size and these are single chip designs
“First time”. Dead
I’m watching this after your PS5 “slim” tear down and I’d say 😊the PS5 1200 model is the best out the 4 models.
Does it have coil whine?
It does
no it’s not
It’s not better theirs 3 variants and they all perform the same & keep in mind the new one is cheaper they swapped over to cheaper parts to mass produce without loosing to much money
They haven't raised the price in the US, but the only PS5 you can pretty much find is the $550 model with a bundled game, essentially raising the price and giving you a free game.
Exactly
They should just make it smaller, the shell is just a giant plastic case I doubt there’s significant performance due to air flow