Diablo 4 Lore | Where's The Nephalem? A Hunt for Diablo 3's Hero
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2024
- What Happened to the Nephalem player character from Diablo 3? To find that answer, we dive into what the Nephalem are, how they returned to Sanctuary, and where they may be now. Come tune in!
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Timestamps can be found below:
0:00-1:34 - Nephalem Origin
1:34-2:12 - Sin War
2:12-3:12 - Nephalem Return
3:12-4:00 - Feared Again
4:00 - What We Know
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The prince failed in the end, the heroes in diablo 2 failed in the end, don't be surprised when the nephelem return as diablo
Doubt it. The nephalem gained the same power over life and death as Malthael. And the species was already stronger than both demons and angels. I highly doubt Diablo has the chops to take possession of the Diablo 3 hero. Personally, I like to think that my necromancer became a death speaker and rebuilt the order of the priests of Rathma and whatever disaster may come knocking, it has nothing to do with him. Either way, the prime and lesser evils are free now and Mephisto is already working his manipulations in Diablo 4. I suppose you could consider it a failure on the nephalem’s part, though if you think about it, that’s really Malthael’s screw up.
The Nephelem will absolutely be the next villain following their power scaling. Considering the villain of D3 was effectively Tathomet, the series' narrative move back to a darker tone, and the consistent themes of power and corruption in the series, it would make perfect sense.
D4 was a move backwards in terms of power scaling. The villain was the child of a Prime Evil, and the seeming next villain is back up to a Prime Evil proper, but not yet Diablo--the series namesake. The best means for Diablo or his brothers to increase past the Prime Evil "level of power" that doesn't involve combining into Tathomet again and retreading ground from a narrative perspective would be to corrupt the Nephalem which they already set up with the ending of D3.
Consider:
1) The Prime Evils have since been fully aware of the re-emergence of the Nephalem following the events of D3.
1a) The Nephalem must be addressed to resolve both their plot thread AND to show why the Prime Evils are confident to progress.
2) Lilith, Inarius, and Rathma were the major players of D4, and all 3 are gone.
2a) The series still has considerable focus on Nephalem as a race, and there's only one active Nephalem presently.
3) The majority of humanity was established as having been killed by Malthael.
3a) This suggests the Prime Evils only have one remaining Nephalem as their barrier to power considering the removal of angels from this point in the story as a narrative focus and, potentially from existence.
4) The theme of D4 is the corrupting power of hatred, with a secondary theme being the reliance and cyclical nature of hatred -> destruction -> terror.
4a) Evil in Diablo has, from the beginning, always directly resulted from the corruption of good. Anu resulted in Tathomet -> Albrecht resulted in Diablo 1 -> Tal Rasha, Kalim/Sankekur, Aiden resulted in Diablo 2 -> Leah, Imperius, and Mathael result in Diablo 3 -> Inarius, and seemingly Nyrelle result in Diablo 4
Whatever the result, The Nephalem certainly isn't going to end up as the first hero in the history of Diablo lore to live happily ever after.
Thank you thank you thank you. There is not enough lore stuff on Diablo in general and even less for D4. Really appreciate it!
Thanks for your support! More lore videos to come
Nephilim is like the legendary super saiyan in dragon ball. One in a million
I have a strong feeling the protagonist we play as in Diablo IV is a Nephaelum because the way you described it.
Very possible - they just haven't dropped the term yet it seems
Everyone in Sanctuary are literally unawakened Nephs. 🤣 The reason why the Nephalems are strong AF is because they're a creature of both light and darkness essentially making them mini-Anu the pre-Tathamet version of Anu.
Good point about the mini-Anu
Beyond the Diablo content, I really liked the personal touch at the end 😄
Haha thank you - she decided to video bomb my recording, so I kept her in lol
Lorath isn’t the only person who could know where the nephilim are. Lyndon is still around.
Great call out! The king of Backwater himself
Great call out! The king of Backwater himself
Lyndon? The scoundrel? What about Eirena? And Kormac? Huh! Maybe Kormac and Eirena really did get married, popped out a few kids and left that life behind.
@@Hynotama I guess someone needs to repopulate Sanctuary
I was about to say....what about Lyndon?!? Though he doesn't give us much about what happened to the Nephalim he was around, I enjoyed finding him and doing his Side Quests, it was funny, because I didn't really pay attention to the NPC quest giver at first and I was like....wait a minute I know that VOICE!!
I don't know about the other 6 Nephalem, but the Crusader at least seems to have died at some point between D3 and D4 - assuming Johanna is in fact the canon representative of the player Crusader the same way Aidan/Moereina/Jazreth are the canon representations of the Warrior/Rogue/Sorcerer from D1 and Carthas/Cassia/Isendra/Xul are the D2 Paladin/Amazon/Sorceress/Necromancer (for some reason, the Druid, Assassin, and Barbarian still haven't been given canonical names).
Crusader character’s story is one of my next videos!
Loved the vid, would love as vid regarding Tyrael as well. Great job on the editing also, nice easter egg at the end there lol.
😆- thanks for the support! More lore vids coming soon - next is this Saturday
Fantastic vid my dude! Been hoping to see something just like this. :)
The Nephelem will absolutely be the next villain following their power scaling. Considering the villain of D3 was effectively Tathomet, the series' narrative move back to a darker tone, and the consistent themes of power and corruption in the series, it would make perfect sense.
D4 was a move backwards in terms of power scaling. The villain was the child of a Prime Evil, and the seeming next villain is back up to a Prime Evil proper, but not yet Diablo--the series namesake. The best means for Diablo or his brothers to increase past the Prime Evil "level of power" that doesn't involve combining into Tathomet again and retreading ground from a narrative perspective would be to corrupt the Nephalem which they already set up with the ending of D3.
Consider:
1) The Prime Evils have since been fully aware of the re-emergence of the Nephalem following the events of D3.
1a) The Nephalem must be addressed to resolve both their plot thread AND to show why the Prime Evils are confident to progress.
2) Lilith, Inarius, and Rathma were the major players of D4, and all 3 were defeated.
2a) The series still has considerable focus on Nephalem as a race, and there's only one active Nephalem presently.
3) The majority of humanity was established as having been killed by Malthael.
3a) This suggests the Prime Evils only have one remaining Nephalem as their barrier to power considering the removal of angels from this point in the story as a narrative focus and, potentially from existence.
4) The theme of D4 is the corrupting power of hatred, with a secondary theme being the reliance and cyclical nature of hatred -> destruction -> terror.
4a) Evil in Diablo has, from the beginning, always directly resulted from the corruption of good. Anu resulted in Tathomet -> Albrecht resulted in Diablo 1 -> Tal Rasha, Kalim/Sankekur, Aiden resulted in Diablo 2 -> Leah, Imperius, and Mathael result in Diablo 3 -> Inarius, and seemingly Nyrelle result in Diablo 4
Whatever the result, The Nephalem certainly isn't the first hero in the history of Diablo lore to live happily ever after.
Aint that the truth! Those are great points indeed - I’m curious also if they will explore redeeming Leah’s soul somehow. That was a plot point being hinted at in Reaper of Souls
Very good video.Well edited, interesting topic,. Perfect. Suscribed.
Thank you so much! It means alot as a growing small creator!
The Nephalem are doing infinite rifts and comparing completion times. Nothing else is of importance to them.
🤣🤣
I like D3, but it's crazy how heroic and different to the others it is
Lore vids ⭐️🚀
The Scoundrel companion is in D4 at Flea Bottom with a few references to the d3 game. Hoping they bring Nephalim back or at least explain what happened to hero
Good video and interesting question. Subscribed
Awesome! Thank you so much
Great, detailed, short video. I love Diablo lore.
And your wife has a great smile :D
Won't be surprised if Tyrael comes back in the expansion.
I like content like this (especially since I play D 4 just about every day. I gave you a thumbs up because of your g/f - wife was caught in the background as the camera was fading. It made your video feel wholesome ^___^
Thanks for the support man! Haha - when I was recording she was like 'replay the end of your recording' to see a surprise. Joke's on her! I put her in the video lol
Where do you really go after doablo 3s crazy power story. The angel of death+all the evils combined together and your still stronger. Csnt really go higher than that. The new stories have to be smaller scale.
Good point - I feel like the potential of a 'Dark Nephalem' storyline was where Diablo 3's 2nd expansion was heading before it was cancelled. To your point though, that power creep in Diablo 3 was something else. It makes sense why they wanted to move away from the nephalem storyline in Diablo 4. Diablo 4's story is more centered on the world and characters around you than the player character themselves
you got a new sub, gj, make a 2 hour video with the whole story
Thanks for the sub, man! That’s not a bad idea…
Hoping my D3 Monk doesn't fall to darkness.
Considering our character in D4 has Lilith's blood in them, im more worried about them however.
This is what I want more of. Where is our characters. Where are the angels. Where are the prime evils
Glad to hear - I go into where the Prime Evils are in my Lilith video
Nice
Nice recap/speculation
Thank you!
what happened was a 2 expansion game ended up only getting one expansion because d3 doesn't have a game pass or subscription model to continue revenue. and after their CEO fully stepped down all of the key story production and writers left or were let go so the whole thing going into D4 was not going to carry over well.
The sad reality darker than the darkening of Tristram
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We need more people like you to shed some light on diablo lore because I'm afraid we are loosing that side of the game in the community
Please more lore brother 🙏
I wish we become on good terms with the heavens in the future of diablo story
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Thank you so much for your support man! Only way for this channel to get bigger is for people like you to take a chance and subscribe! My next video is going to be a lore one as well :). I hope you enjoy it
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The nephalem was retconned out of the game and they changed it into "the hero's who stopped Diablo" according to the Dev's themselves, it made Diablo 4 impossible with basically a god on the planet.
I cant say im surprised - do you have a source? Interested to look into it
@@loatheburger it was a passing comment they had made in one of the fireside chats before the launch of the game. I genuinely don’t remember anymore.
That’s also why when lorath reveals what little details he does, he only ever says “band of heroes” and never mentions the nephalem
I disagree that the Nehphalem fought Tathemet in D3. Diablo themselves was marked as The Prime Evil, but it was still Diablo in form. Tathemet is only mentioned by name in D3, and it was Diablo's Will that we fought. I think Tathemet in the flesh is being saved for a later storyline.
Yeah it could be - as the OG Tathamet was celestial in size and a 7 headed dragon. Diablo as the Prime Evil was still incredibly formidable though - being able to single handedly defeat Imperius, destroy the crystal gates, and almost destroy Anu’s Spine - the crystal arch. If Diablo was a mini-tathamet, the player character was basically a mini-anu BEFORE he divided himself of Tathamet
I'm 100% sure that we are the nephalem but it will be revealed somehow in the expansion.
He was too op they wanted heaven to lose lmao
The real question is, which of the hero's from part 3 is the nephalem. Its most likely not the crusader but the crusader or her apprentice is the only hero from number three in 4
Hey for all we know it could be the witchdoctor and we can meet them in Nahantu
What is even more disappointing is that Lyndon - scoundrel from D3 our follower doesn't have anything about The Nephalem aswell when u do his questline (there's a quest chain with him).
True that - strange that no one mentions it
I hope future expansions of D4 talk or bring back Leah. bc in behind the scenes of D3 the devs said her story wasnt over just bc she died and she was supposed to come back in the 2nd dlc but bobby decided to cancel production of D3
Very good point - I understand that Diablo 4 wanted to move in a different direction, but I would really like to see Leah's story come full circle
Demons are not dead-dead they resurrect as the same being over time compared to angels' resurrection that reincarnate them into different being with the primal power. We most likely will see her in the upcoming DLC/s.
In Book of Cain there pictured is her demonic visage.
Tyrael is clearly dead. He was just a mortal after all. We see Lorath talking at his tomb. Calling him “old friend “.
It’s ambiguous whose tomb that is - it could also have been the player character from D3. Donan mentions that Tyrael strangely left the horadrim scared - I feel like he wouldve mentioned if he was dead
@@loatheburger valid points. Time will tell. I, for once, would be disappointed to see Tyrael alive. I’ve already ascended him to martyrdom in my mind 😅
I belive he is dead since he became mortal, if it was the nephilem's tomb it would be strange no? He was at the peak of his power in D3 eneding, i dont think he just died of old age. It would be cool if mephisto's plan is to corrupt the nephelim if he is out there
Wait.,..diablo 3 nephalem defeats the main baddy Tethamet(sp?) when does that happen?
Yeah Tethamet is the culmination of the prime and lesser evils (his 7 heads).The ‘Prime Evil’ (Diablo in Heels) was technically as powerful as Tethamet
My question is why is meshif alive in d4 since he was the boatman for act 3 in d2. How the heck is he around
Great point - Diablo 4 happened approximately 71 years after the events of Diablo 2. So Meshif was either really young in Diablo 2 or he's like one of those 100y/o marathon runners
The Nephalem appears at 5:18
She is scary 😂🤣
Diablo 2 are the hero’s as they were nephalem at all but were humans who answered the call to the darkness of Tristram and the evil. As the world stone was tune to decrease their birthright, Diablo 2 hero’s defeated Baal mephisto and Diablo single handily
Very true - the Diablo 2 characters were badass humans, not overpowered ancients
@@loatheburger Which is crazy ass fuck, Maybe they were just one out of like 5 trillion in sanctuary
I dont know, powers casting spells etc comes from their humanity birthrate doing crazy ass feats
Skipped D3, sorry
Welcome back
It's probably Diablo 5 or a D4 expansion
Malthael is NOT the archangel of death. He is a mere imposter. An impersonator. A fake. A sham.
Judging by your avatar - looks like Malthael was trying to play off as you 😉
@@loatheburger he was trying to assume the identity of the pale horseman, but heaven’s pigeons aren’t meant to meddle with such vast cosmic forces. They don’t even understand what it is they are doing. As for my pfp, that’s Death’s Blessing. A legendary enchantment that War can obtain in the first Darksiders game.
Mistake. Tathamet is my more than Prime Evil. Do you remember how great was World Strone? And it was just an eye of Anu. Tathamet was kind of equal of him. Ok, seven evils comes out from seven heads of Tathamet, but the rest of his body become the Burning Hells itself. So calling Prime Evil the Tathamet is like calling five connect fingers a hand.
Yeah you’re right - Tathamet was a cosmic scale being
Evalangorian
nephelems are the midichlorians of diablo. we just pretend they didn't happen.
I'm sorry to say this but the premise of this video is both pointless and misleading. The reason is very simple: The Nephalem in the game is sitting in your couch/gaming chair whenever you are playing the game because... surprise surprise!!! YOU ARE A NEPHALEM in the game. It becomes pretty obvious once you advance a bit in the story of any of the games, you find out pretty quickly. For example Diablo 3 makes it pretty obvious early story, so does 4 sometime midway in the campaign: Lorath first implies that you are Nephalem after you beat Duriel in one of the story chapters.. he explicitly says that no normal human being can single handedly beat a lesser evil. And then Lilith at the end explicitly says you are one when she entices you to join her side by offering you leadership of the army of Nephalem she is planning to raise to fight both Heaven and Hell.
My point is that this video is pretty pointless because you can find out yourself the answer of the question you are using as a premise very early in the game... all you need to do is to play any of the games for like one or two hours and you'll quickly figure out that you are a Nephalem. Just the basic game progression will make it clear to you even if you choose not to pay attention to the story: you start as a relatively weak regular joe with like one skill/spell at your disposal, and then you grow in power to a point that you can face the worst that Hell (and even Heaven) has to offer... who else other than a Nephalem can do that in Diablo lore, really?
It doesn't sound like you watched the video and I wish you hadn't come with an accusatory tone as you made some good points around Lorath's comments in D4
The video is about where the canonical PC is from Diablo 3, not the race overall - as at the end of Reaper of Souls, Tyrael hints strongly that the player-character (nephalem) has a chance of having a villain arc. All the classes from Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 have their canonical equivalents in the game (Blood Raven, Aiden, The Summoner for example), so I am theorizing where the one from the 3rd could be in D4
You do know that there is a 50 year gap between the end of Reaper of Souls and Diablo 4 right? You also know that the Nephalem in D3, regardeless of how powerful they became, they were all still MORTAL.. right? Meaning that they age ... right? Or at least AFAIK
there was no implication in RoS that they became/will become immortal like the first Nephalem of Sanctuary were.
So just do the math. If your character in D3 was in its mid twenties (and I am being conservative) this means that by the beginning of D4 they would be at least 75 years old, if not older.
Hence, here is the simple answer to the premise of your video. At D4 the Nephalem from D3 are either :
(a) Dead, either due to aging or cuz they got killed battling against the forces of Hell/Heaven (which I am sure they kept doing post RoS)
(b) They had offspring and YOU are it. Meaning that either the momma and/or pappa of your D4 character faced off Leah's Diablo and Malthael.
and the last option, which is the crux of my original answer to your video is ....
.... wait for it .....
(c) YOU are the Nephalem from D3. If you do wish to RP this in D4 you can easily make a character that looks to be in its 70s in D4's character creator, and boom! There you go, you can fulfill the fantasy of your hardy D3 character still duking it out while at the same time battling with rheuma and dementia (just joking!!!! I myself am an old fart and I do have an old fart as a D4 character)
Which leads me back to my original post. The premise of it is pointless because the D3 Nephalem are YOU in the game... either because they died and you took up their mantle after hearing about their legendary feats, or because they were your mommy and/or daddy so you are following their footsteps, or because effectively YOU were one of them.
As it has been mentioned before, your theory about they possible becoming evil post RoS is most likely a plot strand that the developers planted as an intro to what would have been the second D3 expansion... which didn't happen cuz Bobby Kotick pulled the plug on it.
Sure, as you mention, who knows maybe they will pick up again this plot arch in the future, but for it to work they would need to make it so that the D3 Nephalem achieved immortality, and this lead them to desire even more power , which is what makes them evil ... (there is precedent of this in diablo Lore, actually, there's a story in Tales from the Horadric Library that deals exactly with this ... this desire of power after achieving almost inmortality is clearly portrayed as the beginning of the end for Sanctuary's first Nephalem....) but still, regardless, that doesn't exclude the fact that in one way or another, in D4 YOU are D3's Nephs.. either by admiration, descendence or cuz you are them.
Hope this post clarifies better my position to your video.
You the player are the Nephilim. Mortals dont have the powers like the characters in the game. Why else are you able to kill a demon or diablo himself. You arent a mortal but a nephilim.
In Diablo 1 & 2, you are mortal - the nephalem only return after the world stone is destroyed. In Diablo 4 yeah - there's definitely a good chance you are one. In Diablo 1 & 2 canonically though - the prime evils were vanquished by a group, not just 1 person