I had this video scheduled, woke up, and they just nerfed rogue pretty hard. Changes: - Rogue's Creep now has a narrow hearing range. - Rogue's Stealth now reveals his silhouette when moving.
This isn’t going to change ambush rogue. The good players won’t take hide anymore and the bad players will still sit in a corner or at a door not moving all game. It will make it slightly harder for them to ambush, but it won’t stop it. Rogue needs a new play style other than ambush or hand crossbow.
The irony being, he was doing the same thing. Though to be fair, it's a rogue. How else are you going to play other than ambushing? maybe not a DOOR but still
5:05 I love that you walk into a popular rogue room and call it a mistake. Most people would walk in there and get 1 shot by a rogue and be pissed about the game, not a misplay. (I'm one of those people lol)
You cant hide because of the Frame Drop bug. If you're near enough to someone and you scan the walls, if you get frame drops looking in a direction someone is there.
The funniest part of the awful players who choose to play rogue like this is when you extract early and spectate who is left in the dungeon. Most of the time, it's a bunch of rogues holding CTRL and barely moving back and forth. Riveting gameplay to say the least.
Personally I'm glad the class got nerfed, since genuinely at times there was no counter play to landmine rogue if you don't have a play style catered to countering it
@@hudsoneyseleh9444 well, yeah the only class that have almost zero melee ofensive/defensive and cant outrun a rogue if he dont build a MS style😅 Edit: In solo, on duos/trios is very good
Yknow what. I hadnt seen this build before because i usually play duos or trios, and i thought the nerfs today were really lame until watching this. What a show
rogue nerfs WOMP WOMP people always act like changes in this game are permanent. rogue plagued the game last few weeks now we can play with a little less rogues while they try to balance again. let them cook. fuck rogues also.
The whole rogue class needs a re-design. The most recent patch changes just solidifies that Ironmace have no idea what to do with the class and are just shotgun blasting out changes with a blindfold hoping something sticks.
I dont have the full game, I just run druid and get out of the ice map and throw drums and torches at players while acting like a ghost, pretty fun lmao
Yeah they definitely needed the nerf 😂 I was minding my own business one match while a rogue was right behind me stealing my stuff. No sound or indication that I was being stolen from. Completely undetectable. I only caught him by accident when his invisibility ran out
i appreciate D&Der as a goblin simulator. people play so hostile and selfish, avoiding opportunities to escape so they can kill people whose loot they can't even carry
everywhere i look it says rogues are C tier garbage of a class yet when i play they're insanely OP, slapping buffed barbs and fighters around and just looting everything while avoiding pve
I love how Red gets 2 hits from a barbarian and stays alive, shattering rogues circlejerk of “oh everyone one shot us that’s why our insane damage is ok” Great vid as always.
Because he was stacking STR which gives HP as-well. A lot of rogues don't stack as much STR as he did. He got very lucky that crayon eating W-key class didn't 1 / 2 shot him.
i think the rogue issue is fixed if creep is just taken out the game entirely, invisibility is one thing in this game but not being able to hear someone for as long as they crouch is so much worse, haven’t tested with the new update tho
I test it and is not very good😅 You can hear it but only if you are super focus or in silence to hear it and even that the rogue will ALWAYS hear you first and he could just stand still and wait until you are distracted by a mob,looting,etc... and rush. They need make the crouch walk more louder😅
The silhouette part is just bad u can just see the person with the silhouette like they arnt even invisible creep was only good for goblin caves bc there arnt many mobs u cant creep around when u have to kill the mobs i dont even use the perk i find it almost useless but good chages should of also lowered the sound of doors and chests tho with the nerf to make it more of ur trying to be quiet then to just hold ctrl and u make no noise
I feel like ambush is the biggest problem with rogue rn. Bc it essentially gives people who are attacked no time to react as over 75% of their health dissappears without even knowing what’s happening.
My opinion from a new player and my first thing I picked was Rogue for the jump scares and I I win I win , I don't really take good gear since it's for fun Seems ez to beat one just keep spacing and swing if the rogue is to close block and strike fir hit shots they drop pretty quick in my opinion 🤔 🤷 As a fighter beat one just by swinging randomly if i was the rogue and got him Really experience what it takes and complaining just makes you weak 🤔
I main barb/fighter and it really hurts when i say ive been abusing the rogue a little. just let me W key at someone again instead of crawling around the map like a scummy little rat :( thank god they nerfed creep and stealth we can play the game again boys.
4:55 damn i think you die there if the barb played that ANY better (not getting hit 3 times for free at the start, and not getting hit by the goblin). gonna be interesting to see if the nerfs are impactful at all
he dies to barb and fighter, he almost died to a budget kit barb having first 3 stabs and he would've died to any fighter with anything above poor grade armor rogue's high risk but no one wants to admit it. also u can play however u want i've played rogue since playtest 2 and don't run creep or stealth, this dude is choosing to play in a boring way and complaining about it while he does it kinda weirdge
dont quite get all the hate for rogue... you cant fight a fighter/barb/cleric in a straight face to face ...if you arent stealth attacking then youre pretty much useless , you have no defense at all so anything that catches you out in the open will two tap you. The only interesting skills they have outside stealth is the trap/lockpick skill , and pickpocket , and those arent really worth taking over damage perks and they have a pretty limited weapon selection. might as well just remove the class and just have fighters and wizards only.
This is kinda the problem with dark and darker, rouge gets a buff *OMG ROUGE NEEDS A NERF* rouge gets a nerf *OMG ROUGE NEEDS A BUFF* its this endless cycle where when it's buffed new players have fun but when it's nerfed only the best players can really play the class at full potential and even then I've seen the best players have to do so much just to secure a kill, so I'm not really sure what the solution to this is
I hate the rogue class in games. Ive always thought they shouldnt be a class in any game. It encourages lazy scummy gameplay. Never been a fan but too each their own I guess.
I had this video scheduled, woke up, and they just nerfed rogue pretty hard.
Changes:
- Rogue's Creep now has a narrow hearing range.
- Rogue's Stealth now reveals his silhouette when moving.
lmao i figured. necessary fs tho
@@CasperActual nah cap
Decent changes now I wonder if stealth will even be used though. Curious to see what it looks like.
@@AveragePokeCollector the invis change sucks and should get removed again the creep is dead and you use armor pen now so not really ;,;
This isn’t going to change ambush rogue. The good players won’t take hide anymore and the bad players will still sit in a corner or at a door not moving all game. It will make it slightly harder for them to ambush, but it won’t stop it. Rogue needs a new play style other than ambush or hand crossbow.
"I knew this guy was just waiting by the door because that's all they do."
I can hear the disgust in your voice.
The irony being, he was doing the same thing. Though to be fair, it's a rogue. How else are you going to play other than ambushing? maybe not a DOOR but still
@@seekerhunts I mean it he was camping an entire room, that dude was camping a single door
5:05 I love that you walk into a popular rogue room and call it a mistake. Most people would walk in there and get 1 shot by a rogue and be pissed about the game, not a misplay. (I'm one of those people lol)
Trust me, I've been rogue ambushed there plenty 🤣
If I saw the name SneakertonMcsheesher killing the whole lobby I would just hide in a corner LMAO
You cant hide because of the Frame Drop bug. If you're near enough to someone and you scan the walls, if you get frame drops looking in a direction someone is there.
@@hdrag9 ill just keep my head down and pray
The funniest part of the awful players who choose to play rogue like this is when you extract early and spectate who is left in the dungeon. Most of the time, it's a bunch of rogues holding CTRL and barely moving back and forth. Riveting gameplay to say the least.
The KOS of Red is kinda insane, that warlock was just chillin and you murked him with no hesitation XDD
I love the subtle shade that you throw at Rogue/Landmine throughout the whole video haha
I'm convinced goblins are just russian gopnics since they scream "blyat" every time you stab them
Having pots on your belt is a def no no in my opinion they are visible from a mile away 😂
Personally I'm glad the class got nerfed, since genuinely at times there was no counter play to landmine rogue if you don't have a play style catered to countering it
Light orb in question:
@@hudsoneyseleh9444 Every other class in solos in question:
@@hudsoneyseleh9444 well, yeah the only class that have almost zero melee ofensive/defensive and cant outrun a rogue if he dont build a MS style😅
Edit: In solo, on duos/trios is very good
I wish Fighter / Barb had counters to their crayon eating W-key playstyles (or fighters out bow-ing a ranger too)...
@@corogast Yeah, I agree with both of those, although as a barb main swapping to fighter is looking real good right now
If weapon is not mentioned in the kill feed, it was a druid in animal form.
Really enjoying your stuff man, learning a lot just from watching you play. Keep up the good work! :)
Yknow what. I hadnt seen this build before because i usually play duos or trios, and i thought the nerfs today were really lame until watching this. What a show
"I'm sure that guy had fun"
W Nerf though 🤷🏻♂️😬
True rogue still has a good kit
rogue nerfs WOMP WOMP people always act like changes in this game are permanent. rogue plagued the game last few weeks now we can play with a little less rogues while they try to balance again. let them cook. fuck rogues also.
fuck rogues
It's depressing to watch how strong this is/was.
As someone who runs mostly ice caves to avoid rogues i felt this in my soul
6:10 lol warlock tried to surrender lol RIP
A lot of new vids recently nice got something to binge
You knew he was camping at the door becasue that all they do!?! Dude you are part of that they, that's exactly what you were doing. lol
When you take out a normal player: disgusting
When you take out a rogue: hahaha taste of your own medicine bucko
The whole rogue class needs a re-design. The most recent patch changes just solidifies that Ironmace have no idea what to do with the class and are just shotgun blasting out changes with a blindfold hoping something sticks.
Ofcourse this vid comes out right when i saw the rogue nerfs :(
love your content though red, keep it up
They made him useless now
@@laurinbalsiger3887 thats what am saying, i bet the people are so happy rn
@@laurinbalsiger3887😂
I dont have the full game, I just run druid and get out of the ice map and throw drums and torches at players while acting like a ghost, pretty fun lmao
just murdered that warlock and mage ☠️
Rouge before the nerf :(
Hey, amazing channel bro. I have 1 question if someone can help - to what are ancient scrolls?
I love how this video manifested the rogue nerf.
New Red video, new like.
Yeah they definitely needed the nerf 😂
I was minding my own business one match while a rogue was right behind me stealing my stuff. No sound or indication that I was being stolen from. Completely undetectable. I only caught him by accident when his invisibility ran out
I hope it doesn’t get nerfed and I hope other classes get buffed like wizard so they can take on druids just as easy as they can every class
Have you tried Dungeonborne?
MORE FOR THE TIMMYS!!!
13:20 What's the "sleeper build" though??
i appreciate D&Der as a goblin simulator. people play so hostile and selfish, avoiding opportunities to escape so they can kill people whose loot they can't even carry
I feel bad for that wizard, as a wizard main i feel his pain
if we take 2 daggers which have armor peneration on 1 hand do we take that extra armor pen (sorry for my english and my questions i just new player)
yes you do
how are you looking around with out stopping the looting
drag the screen by holding left click outside of the inventory
“The loot comes to you” lol. I’m a week in and I can’t even get a successful extraction.😭
this playstyle is crazy
Why were you using two daggers? More move speed with one
Each dagger has 5% innate armor penetration. Whilst duel wielding, it stacks for 10% armor pen per swing.
Can someone explainbme this :
There is a perk to hide ur waist items potions etc. So does that mean ppl see ur potions in stealth?
The potions are very bright when on your belt, the perk hides them when you walk around normally. In stealth they are always completely invisible.
everywhere i look it says rogues are C tier garbage of a class yet when i play they're insanely OP, slapping buffed barbs and fighters around and just looting everything while avoiding pve
Hot fix 57.2 has entered the chat
You know rogue needs a nerf when red makes a video playing one😂
I love how Red gets 2 hits from a barbarian and stays alive, shattering rogues circlejerk of “oh everyone one shot us that’s why our insane damage is ok”
Great vid as always.
Because he was stacking STR which gives HP as-well. A lot of rogues don't stack as much STR as he did. He got very lucky that crayon eating W-key class didn't 1 / 2 shot him.
Decent first run more like really good wym
i think the rogue issue is fixed if creep is just taken out the game entirely, invisibility is one thing in this game but not being able to hear someone for as long as they crouch is so much worse, haven’t tested with the new update tho
I test it and is not very good😅
You can hear it but only if you are super focus or in silence to hear it and even that the rogue will ALWAYS hear you first and he could just stand still and wait until you are distracted by a mob,looting,etc... and rush.
They need make the crouch walk more louder😅
17:36 next videos anti rogue build after the nerfs: having eyes and ears
The silhouette part is just bad u can just see the person with the silhouette like they arnt even invisible creep was only good for goblin caves bc there arnt many mobs u cant creep around when u have to kill the mobs i dont even use the perk i find it almost useless but good chages should of also lowered the sound of doors and chests tho with the nerf to make it more of ur trying to be quiet then to just hold ctrl and u make no noise
I feel like ambush is the biggest problem with rogue rn. Bc it essentially gives people who are attacked no time to react as over 75% of their health dissappears without even knowing what’s happening.
6:15 Looks like he did not want to fight in general to me.
I want another zero too whatever difficult goal series
I feel like these nerfs on paper werent substantial enough for such a dropoff in rogue activity, but it happened so i guess they were.
This aged well
4 hours old and already aged like milk 😂
And people ask why rogue was nerfed 😂 It's stupid atleast 3 rogues in any of my lobby, now i have seen 3 all day.
"High roller is a bunch of naked players or people AP farming" Hahaha, then why do I keep getting run down by people?
LFGGGG!!!!
My opinion from a new player and my first thing I picked was Rogue for the jump scares and I I win I win , I don't really take good gear since it's for fun
Seems ez to beat one just keep spacing and swing if the rogue is to close block and strike fir hit shots they drop pretty quick in my opinion 🤔 🤷
As a fighter beat one just by swinging randomly if i was the rogue and got him
Really experience what it takes and complaining just makes you weak 🤔
Dark and Darker aka Oops all Rogues
I main barb/fighter and it really hurts when i say ive been abusing the rogue a little. just let me W key at someone again instead of crawling around the map like a scummy little rat :( thank god they nerfed creep and stealth we can play the game again boys.
I get hit pretty bad as Rogue. I’m probably just under geared and under skilled.
4:55 damn i think you die there if the barb played that ANY better (not getting hit 3 times for free at the start, and not getting hit by the goblin). gonna be interesting to see if the nerfs are impactful at all
Definitely played it as bad as possible on my part 😂 I should have been cooked.
he dies to barb and fighter, he almost died to a budget kit barb having first 3 stabs and he would've died to any fighter with anything above poor grade armor
rogue's high risk but no one wants to admit it. also u can play however u want i've played rogue since playtest 2 and don't run creep or stealth, this dude is choosing to play in a boring way and complaining about it while he does it kinda weirdge
Thank God for the nerf. Rogues have so little counterplay and make the gane so frustrating. Now they just need to remove vampirism
More wizard!!
I want rightermlike you said on previous vids😢
shit was so broken
They shouldn’t nerf rogue, they should just nerf it’s gear. But not it’s base gear. Base gear rogue is very under powered (how I play)
I really tried to have fun with this game and i really like tbh but Creep destroys it for me...
Do you game?
Remove all invis from the game and its fine. Doesnt make any sense anyways
Change invis to some variation of camouflage.. that it somewhat hides you but not 100% invis.
Honestly I would rather rouges damage be nerfed it’s super tedious to sneak up on people now which kinda ruins the fun.
gayming right here i see, i see
Bro killed me on my wizard and made a vid out of me, im insulted.
I want to give this game a try but this stuff turns me off so much.
Big nerf :(
As a wizard main. I hate rogues
I am sorry to say this, but this video if it didn't have you talking over it would be boring, I don't get how so many players enjoy this play style
RIP ROGUE, MOVING TO WARLOCK SQUAD
Well, k not my game
dont quite get all the hate for rogue... you cant fight a fighter/barb/cleric in a straight face to face ...if you arent stealth attacking then youre pretty much useless , you have no defense at all so anything that catches you out in the open will two tap you. The only interesting skills they have outside stealth is the trap/lockpick skill , and pickpocket , and those arent really worth taking over damage perks and they have a pretty limited weapon selection. might as well just remove the class and just have fighters and wizards only.
This is kinda the problem with dark and darker, rouge gets a buff *OMG ROUGE NEEDS A NERF* rouge gets a nerf *OMG ROUGE NEEDS A BUFF* its this endless cycle where when it's buffed new players have fun but when it's nerfed only the best players can really play the class at full potential and even then I've seen the best players have to do so much just to secure a kill, so I'm not really sure what the solution to this is
The solution is you can't make everyone happy all the time so those buffs/nerfs cycles are needed to keep the players happy and interested.
u betrayed the wizard community, kinda disgusted...
NERF IT MORE
Im filing a lawsuit against u!! You stole my videos title!!
jk great vid
I hate the rogue class in games. Ive always thought they shouldnt be a class in any game. It encourages lazy scummy gameplay. Never been a fan but too each their own I guess.
Boooo rogue booo cringe
Aren't you ashamed to play like this?
First lol