ENGINEERING UNBOXED: How turbo insulation works
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 เม.ย. 2020
- Gale Banks explains why insulating a turbo and exhaust systems can be very important to both the performance and safety of the surrounding equipment. We reached out to Heatshield Products to help with both our Duramax L5P in the Killing A Duramax series and the supercharged twin-turbo Duramax monster truck engine. The 35-year old family-owned company sent various Lava Shield turbo covers, Heat Shield Armor for the up-pipes and stainless steel fasteners.
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"Not to be confused with bath salt!" 🤣
Gale sir you just killed me...
Got me too! Haha
I don't get the joke.
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On the floor
That last little bit at the end was hilarious! 🤣
"I don't need the box cutter for this."
Famous last words.
I said that out loud right when he said that hahaha
Never thought watching a video about turbo and exhaust insulation would be so entertaining and informative at the same time. Great job Gale and Team Banks!
Glad to see you got my turbo necklace . After seeing the precision turbo episode , I thought you would like this.
Dude you didn't send him that I did. I made that and my name is Dom
I love this guy. Like a high octane grandpa I can watch on my phone. So insightful!
It's diesel, he would be "Low Octane Grandpa." lol
Wrong. Octane doesn't apply to diesels. Cetane is the correct term.
Well hopefully you'll go into more of the pros and cons of using heat shields and wraps. Maybe a breakdown as to why you chose this route etc etc rather than a 14:00 infomercial.. shit, all that was missing was the 1-800 number scrolling along the bottom etc.. lol and hats off to Mr. Banks for getting out and grinding like he does I can only hope I have the same amount of energy!!
This is such a great channel- just superior engineering. I had one of the original 6.9: Powerstroke Turbo Kits on my 1987 Crew Cab- super high quality stuff
Mr. Quindazzi wasn’t the 6.9 an international?
I’ve been ordering parts for the ranch truck saying 6.9 International and not 6.9 Powerstroke 😐😐😐😐🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
The 6.9 and 7.3idi is a international. The 7.3 power stroke
And 6.0 6.4 are also international.
The 6.7 is ford
I really like how the explanation covers so many topics and finally comes to the product in highlight.
Gale May God bless and protect you sir, a very kind man!
Thanks for doing these videos and helping promote other great companies.
Closing music was perfect! Bling for the Man.
I really love the technical point of view you offer in your videos.
I'm a vehicle development student from Germany and just discovered your channel!
That's awesome, nice to meet you sir!
Thank you for your knowledge and your videos. I now know in which direction to go with my Duramax.
Gale, you seem like the most genuine person. Love the channel
Can you guys do a few dyno runs pre heat-shielding and then run a few post heat-shielding where all parameters are as close to the same as possible so we can see the effect the shielding has? I'm very interested to see the results of a test like that.
Haha I shoulda used a gun to see the temp of the throttle cable on my race tractor ,before and after I made a heat shield because it was melting and now it's not.
Some tin, some high temp rtv and some exhaust wrap has ya covered.
Glue the wrap to the tin and there ya go.
I think my bud has more aero ideas at his page.
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@@MrTheHillfolkshameless self plug lmao
Gale Banks showing us young'ins some engineering high fashion... New season collection looks lit! 👀🔥🔥🔥
Gale Banka for president, i love this guy.
Great stuff Gale. Nice neck “bling”. Turbo Performance Products is another independent owned operation with amazing customer service. Can makes anything to your specs. Out of Idaho and ran by man named Levi. Makes a lot of nice blankets and wraps for diesel applications
Family operations one of the things that make America Great !
Oh what a recommendation, I make these at work, although we do them in more configurations than this, with stainless steel mesh impregnated products as well as basalt etc.
Thanks for the video :)
great explanation of the details you need for quality upgrade / replacement parts.
Glad you liked it!
Man I get so sucked into these videos I forgot there was an end... That turbo heat wrap looks really nice I want one now.
I want one and I dont even have a turbo
Love ya Gale! Be blessed my friend.
152👍's Mr power thanks for taking us all along with you
And he pays disco at the end 😂 love you Mr. Banks you are an inspiration
Grandpa Gail is with the modern lingo huh!!? Good job Gramps!! You rock!!
Oh man! The anticipation is killing me. Gale has so much cool new stuff on that Duramax, I can't wait to see what it does on the dyno. Problem is, I think he's become attached, and can't bring himself to kill it.
Really Like the idea of the babbit material around oil filter canister to prevent the exh 450+ heat boiling the oils and also near staters to isolate Heat from the starter-solenoid wires that HEAT kills its wire continuity properties. Tha
t always lead to failure on starer-solenoids on GM’s well known for it.
I really like how you explain things. Even a dummy can understand what your talking about.
8:55 - honda bois have left the chat
Buggati bois, just did the same.
"The beating heart of the Chiron is its newly developed W-16 engine. The engine matches the quad-turbocharger, 8.0-liter displacement setup of the unit in the Veyron but virtually every element has been redesigned for improved performance. Bugatti quotes official numbers of 1,480 horsepower and 1,180 pound-feet of torque, which is up on even the Veyron Super Sport’s 1,183 hp and 1,106 lb-ft.
The 25 percent jump in power is mainly due to increased boost pressure. To achieve this, bigger turbos were needed. However, to address the issue of lag Bugatti developed a sequential setup where two smaller turbos work at engine speeds of up to 3,800 rpm and then two bigger units take over. Incredibly, the Chiron’s engine delivers its peak torque at just 2,000 rpm and maintains this all the way to 6,000 rpm. Not surprisingly, Bugatti says the power delivery in the car is “absolutely linear.”
@@brightstarlastname2812 The Mazda RX7TT and Toyota Supra TT also used turbos in a sequence, but those cars definitely did not feel linear. However, that might be because the turbo technology of 1993 was not nearly as good as the turbo technology of recent years.
@@skylinefever Yes.
But Mr. Banks should have said "Except Buggati". It is one of the most overly engineered vehicles on this planet......Till we put a vehicle on Mars.
@@brightstarlastname2812 he is talking about dieassembling the charger and mashing the pieces together to form one. not sequentials.
@@brightstarlastname2812 Compound turbos and bastardizing a single turbo are not the same thing. Mr Banks runs compound turbos.... he does not bastardize a single turbo unit with different core part sizes (T03 compressor with T04 Turbine or vise versa).
I have a tiny turbo like Gale's necklace that makes a high pitched whistle when you blow into it. It may have been a key chain.
Dave Portnoy has a goldfish like this @barstoolsports
Gale is just the nicest guy ever
I watched this video at least a year ago and can't stop thinking about getting a turbo blanket for my Cummins....one of the things I've also been considering is wrapping a good amount of the exhaust after the turbo as well. Do any of y'all know if wrapping the exhaust all the way to the DPF would extend the DPFs life or would I risk damaging anything due the the higher EGTs carrying that far back because of the added insulation?
I'm a mechanical insulator... we do a lot of this with generators and turbos... focus on utility and longevity... I'd love to work with you guys to make a legit kit
Cerakote Glacier series...Thermally stable to 1000c all day every day (yellow hot!). I've been applying it directly to turbo turbines and manifolds for years with zero failures. Look it up Gale.
Great series 👍🏼
Another great video Sir
Thermal barriers do help the life of all the components under the hood. I also like thermal barrier coatings. I have a '03 Ford Explorer 4wd XLS Sport 4.0L. That I bought new as a winter highway vehicle. To travel US-395, between Lancaster, CA and Portola, CA. I installed JBA shorty headers with the Ceramic Thermal coating, in '05. When I go for the smog inspection. I have to tell the tech to plug into the OBD2 port. Because they think the engine is cold. It usually gets tested in Nov. or Dec., so they can feel some underhood heat. The techs are surprised that it has 226k miles on it. Because the underhood plastics look so good. On E-85 fuel, the fuel economy only drops 5% after adding the headers. There is also an ACCEL Super Coil pack. It is possible to touch the headers and not get burned. Even after a long highway trip.
So I appreciate all the great information you put out here always and following both your duramaxs and channel in general. One question I'm learning and all about smart tuning, why keep the heat in on manifolds, up pipes and turbo?
Improves exhaust velocity and shortens spool times and increases throttle response at the turbo.
love the ASMR, but we want to see the Super-Turbo on the Dyno!
Hi Gale you mention thicker wall 304 or 409 SS used in the pipes on the inlet side of the exhaust housing. I can understand during the prototyping stage but once the design is settled is there a reason why something like 321 SS is not used?
If I remember correctly its downside is difficult to mandrel bend, exspensive, not the simplest to weld and not easiest to obtain. Upside is alloyed with a little titanium that it is then stabilized against chromium carbide formation by the addition of titanium. Since titanium has a stronger affinity for carbon than chromium, titanium carbide precipitates within the grains instead of forming at the grain boundaries. By preventing chromium carbide formation in the grain boundaries it is much more resistant to thermal cycling fatigue cracks.
I think it was originally developed between WW1 & WW2 for piston engined fighter zoomies.
This guy is too cool and smart!
Wondering, if price wasn't a major object, if it would make sense to ceramic coat the exhaust headers and plumbing to the turbo(s).
These videos while sheltered in place is really nice
Can never go wrong with some mad bling bling
Wow, Cleetus could sure save his plug wires with that wrap!
i have always been afraid of heat wrap because they turn the manifold in to powder ( the thermotec stuff) ....i strated to paint the manifolds in VHT paint the the wrap the sprayed the wrap with VHT again ,...i have gotten better results but i have been trying oven dryed ceramic coatings ....but its not financially conducive in Jamaica ....
Speaking of, I wonder what the average and peak oil temperature was on the Banks Freightliner Crashcadia Pikes Peak run.
Great intro and love the bling! I think engineers need to have explained to them *what is chemistry?* before diving into these monsters which will of course of course is what makes making these monsters fun too!(the best example is the book *Liftoff* about the chemical engineering that went into making the NASA space program.) In this instance while I agree heat is the issue when deal with a turbo there is the question *what is heat in the first place?* as it's not like the sun is shining really bright to cause this problem...and of course the answer is *what is the chemical composition of air* which comes in the form of 2 gases namely the one we want (oxygen) and the one we don't (nitrogen). Spooling up a turbo means nothing more than pressurizing air with the purpose being to add the very combustible oxygen to the fuel creating higher amounts of energy content per unit of fuel compared to a naturally aspirated engine. But of course we are compressing nitrogen as well which is not a gas that likes to break it's chemical bonds easily unlike oxygen. Oddly enough nitrogen makes for an awesomely powerful fuel in an internal combustion engine (that nitrogen bottle in your Ford Mustang) but this is an active system done on the move taking ambient air at the ambient air temperature and pressure and compressing it and not sticking nitrous in a bottle and *blasting off.* So indeed NITROGEN heat is a problem both in the turbo itself but also as it gets added to the *combustion mix* in the fuel/diesel type engine which operates as a pressure based system and not ignition based system as with gasoline. Thus there are many forms of *chemical heat* that are travelling through the amazingly wonderful complex system being stacked here with that chemical compound being overwhelmingly nitrogen which is the *heat issue* at hand.
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That stainless exhaust tubing is gonna be a perfect gold after it gets run hard. Too bad it's buried against the firewall.
Sending your product for Gale Banks to use shoes they are very confident in effectiveness because it will be evaluated.
Mr. Banks,
Would this be a good idea for a Cummins X15, 565 horse in a 2019 Kenworth T880?
I do heavy haul on a regular basis.
My concern is the extra heat being generated behind the turbo due to the insulation. Would the extra heat affect the particulate filter or DEF system in any negative way?
Thanks,
Craig R Uszak
BTW, I had gauges installed at your felicity on my 2000 PSD years ago.
That's awesome mr Banks wearing turbo chain
Any experience doing the insulation turbo wrapping on the V6 dodge ecodiesel?
I have a Ford Ranger Raptor 2.0 Biturbo. I live in the Philippines. Which is hot and humid all year round or most of the time. will i benefit from heatshield turbo jackets and Heatshield armor exhaust kits? it gets pretty hot under the hood. im hoping for better temperatures and better engine performance. im concerned with some youtube videos that says that wrapping the exhaust would corrode the exhaust manifolds. please advice
BIG DADDY BANKS! Absolute legend! 🍻
Turbo insulation is good for power but doesn't keeping the heat within the turbo shorten it's life? Especially the bearings......
would this be a good pairing for a semi trucks i have a borg warner k31 turbo?
Why are turbos not spaced away a few inches from compression side an liquid cool the center
What can be done with a power turbine fed by an oxidized exhaust system in a nitro engine?
I want a turbo heat sheild do they make your egts any higher i already hit 1500 will it make that worse?
I would love to know more on towing performance vs hp gain does this keep under hood temps down thus keeping egts down when your loaded hammering down up a hill? Lower turbo outlet temps?
The idea is that by preventing the exhaust from cooling before it goes through the turbo, it is maintained at slightly higher pressure. EGT readings will be slightly higher, if any change at all. It should keep under hood temps lower, but if you have a good intake bringing in fresh outside air, that doesn't matter much.
It will also keep adjacent hoses from melting. That can be a big plus.
More of these
How many cfm could a to6 Aire search do and is a teo6 any different to a to6 please
Flava Flav would approve !! :)
[Night Club Turbo] haha I love it, spoken like someone who lived through the night club, cocktail lounge disco era.
This turbo wrapper is neat. I'm not sure it should be used everywhere. Some Mitsubishi Evo X had a ram air hood, but it directed air over the turbocharger turbine instead of into the air filter. The early Nissan Z cars had something similar. That makes me think if a wrap was placed over the snail, the turbocharger internals couldn't handle the heat.
Figuring out why an OEM designed something the way they do is not always straightforward and typically involves more than one constraint. Keeping the heat in the exhaust side is a good thing. Wraps and blankets tend to be corrosion's best friend on daily drivers in climates that already have corrosion issues. Stepping up to ceramic coatings for those applications is a good idea.
@@ShainAndrews I see. OEMs typically don't ceramic coat things because it isn't easy to mass produce. I think I would be willing to ceramic coat a turbocharger if I needed to have one rebuilt.
@@skylinefever OEM's could mass produce ceramic coated exhaust components no problem. Cost is typically the #1 constraint. Is the average driver going to notice the ceramic, wrap, or blanket advantage? Probably not. If heat protection is needed can it be achieved with a few dollars of heat shield? Then that is the route they go.
Bath salts! You're frikkin' hilarious! You would be a great straight man. I got a script- American Skyline. Bet I could work you in!
Who Supplies Them and Can you please send me The Brand of the Heat shield Cover,s and the Brand of Wrap and everything else you got i am running Twin Turbo G42-1450 and am getting them ceramic coated and then want to wrap them wanted to wrap them also How much roughly were they and can you tell me who sells them in Adelaide S,A Thanks Sounds good 👍 hope to hear from you asap Thank you Craig
Better name good job. Banks 💪🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
When using a turbo blanket on a oem stock turbo, is there a possible issue of the housing cracking from the heat being held in?
Also is it worth putting a blanket on a turbo that is air cooled from the hood scoop?
Love the videos keep up the amazing work!
Nah , ya wanna keep the heat in the hot side , and keep it from radiating to the cold side as best as possible.
You can make custom heat shields for other items at home.
I made one recently for a pesky hot exhaust that was too close to a throttle cable.
All ya need is some tin, some high temp rtv and some exhaust wrap.
Glue the wrap to the tin and waa laa heat shield.
Ive been doing em that way for a long time and they work great, I think I even did a vid on it.
More likely to help protect it from cracking. Will allow longer cool down times of the casting with less likelihood of cooler spots creating stress in the housing over time.
I would "season" a brand new turbo by running it without a shield for a few thousand miles, just to allow some heat cycles to normalise the casting before mummifying it.
Sideslip
Never thought of it that way. I have a book about turbocharging (Mr. Banks is mention a million times, it has a kit by Banks for a twin turbo kit for a third Gen. Camaro). The books about insulating the turbine side, but mentions it could cause the housing to crack. Understandably it’s a very old book, I that part crossed my mind.
Thanks for the reply.
How much horsepower does the heat shielding buy?
Dude ur the best
Get ready for the itch !! Gale
Turbo lagging will make you itch without gloves or long sleeves.
You should do a fass fuel breakdown product.. i want to know if I made the right investment
Turbo necklace is cooler then Dom’s cross. lol
What's the issue with hybrid turbos? ?
How does Gail know about "Bathsalts"?
So if you wrap a stock truck, wouldn’t it get more heat to the dpf causing it to regen less
Yes, that could have that effect. It could be something interesting to take a look at in the future.
Mr. banks is the one person that when he says something that doesn't make sense to me I wonder why. when other channels say something stupid, I comment with a correction. I wish I had wisdom of Gale Banks.
WINGA DINGA INTENSIFIES !!
Yo why Gale Banks all ways problem solving and innovation, but always fighting with them dang on BOXES!!!!!
Hydrogen Peroxide Injection, MW50 Injection, and Nitrous Oxide Injection are all things I want to see tested on Killing A Duramax.
I also really want to see you guys comparing different spark/glow plugs, but spark plugs don't really work for diesel engines, and glow plugs can't really get much more advanced than they are now (which isn't very advanced, tbh)
I understand why you don't want the heat from the turbo heating up everything else, but what performance gains to you get out of keeping the heat in the turbo ? , Could you cool the turbo with a water jacket, and secondary radiator?
Turbo blankets and wrapping exhausts have proven faster turbo spool up then without. Keeping the heat out of the engine bay is also the reason obviously and heat soaking any other components.
By the late 1980s, gasoline engines did have a water jacket to protect the turbo. Diesels didn't always get one because the exhaust temperature weren't considered hot enough for it. I think more diesels got a water jacketed turbo to protect them from active regen.
Keeping heat in the turbine increases exhaust velocity.
Taking a cue from James May's mail time? 😄
Gale's gone gangsta!
The "Swag"😂🤙🏾🤙🏾
Where can I get that turbo neck chain???
On eBay Papa.
Lookin' fly!
Ok now you have your heat wrap, radiator, and high flow pumps and injectors, and other goodies. How about a show on Friday of killing a Duramax or your super turbo monster truck engine? It's been to long. We want carnage in the Dyno room!!!! Please? The theaters are closed and this is great entertainment and a great learning program at the same time.
Wrapping the exhaust manifold and turbine housing blanket were the first performance modifications I did to my 91 Dodge, it was the most sensible given the weakness of the transmission not handling more torque so why not move the torque to a more usable place. It improved spool by 100° f EGT across-the-board. PDD did there dyno proof of concept vid after seeing my rig with stock sealed IP hit 148.8@1976whp uncorrected on there Mustang, max pressure was still 17psi but at an earlier stage making more bottom end TQ.
Now the question.
I have been asked repeatedly if I have compromised the Integrity of the cast iron manifold by trapping too much heat in the manifold possibly causing a change in the crystalline structure of the cast iron making it more brittle and prone to cracking. I do not know the answer maybe you can shed some light on this aspect of the myth?
The other question I often get asked is doesn't the retained Heat cause the CHAR to run hotter especially after shutdown , because of lack of ability to dissipate heat through the blanket increasing the likelihood of a turbo failure?
Cast is fine. Probably better than without a wrap as it maintains a more controlled thermal down ramp at shutdown. Either way the cast isn't becoming more brittle. Breakage occurs with the thermal cycles, especially on those I6 single piece exhaust logs. Broken manifolds, broken studs, sometimes both. I've never seen a significant temperature difference at shutdown. There is always some decent amount of time at very low engine loads prior to shut down. The volume of air running through it takes the heat out the exhaust. No turbo failures on my part. I think it is a bit of a myth.
Been running wraped since 2014 when I bought my Dodge with over 150k mi . Mesh settlement is the same as yours it should theoretically smooth out the heat cycling especially in my Northern Sub-Zero climate.
T25 and T28 - even smaller!
Hell, most factory turbo gasoline engines use really small turbos now.
Now power driven diesel said turbo blankets aid in spool up is that true
So this stuff could wrap around the cross over pipe that goes from driver to passenger side on my turbhoe? (Turbo Tahoe)
You could put it wherever you want, but unless you're into the extreme high performance, (or you need to protect something next to the turbo from melting) it probably isn't worth it. Those fancy ceramics are expensive.
Where's hoonigan at??
Now you’re just spooling around 😋
Wearing that chain Gale, the clubs would be pressured to not let you in 😬 okay, that’s enough about me boosting about my puniness. Who else is going to be scrolling through comments? Okay, I’m done.
why exactly does the turbo need to keep heat? does hot air move faster than cold air? if so, why do people seem to idolize cold air intakes?
death the kid Hot air moves faster but cold air is more dense.
The reason for hybrid turbos is to retain the stock turbo manifold
We used the Heatshield armor on an air cooled fire pump engine. Worked great. Kept the heat in the muffler too well. Burned right through. Exhaust pipe temp was 1100 degrees or so and the surface temp was under 250.