In the US, I believe a lot of motorists suffer from a condition called anti-stationwagonism. Most American drivers just don’t buy them, which is a shame, but here in Europe, they have had a long enduring love affair with what many people in the industry agree are practical, stylish vehicles.
@@rambocambo75 I think Toyota should launch a rugged Corolla Touring Sports in your market. The trunk area is pretty much the same as a Toyota RAV4. Offering it with 1.8 hybrid, 2.0 gas or 2.0 hybrid (FWD or AWD).
@@rambocambo75 Well it's sort of a "Chicken or the Egg" situation. Apart from the outback, the remaining wagon options are expensive European brands because people buy enough wagons and hatchbacks in Europe that it's no trouble to still offer them here. Especially when the margins are so high. The affordable options stopped selling here, so no point in offering them. American brands don't really even make cars anymore, and when they were they just couldn't compete in quality or reliability. There are wagon versions of the WRX (Levorg), Mazda6, Corolla (not shortened like the Corolla HB) and others around the world, where they still sell fine.
@@markcoopers1930 The Outback is a SUV, and the Mini Clubman is more like a MPV than a Station Wagon. The cheapest Wagon is the Audi A4 Allroad, Volvo V60 Polestar is the cheapest wagon that is not ruggedized.
Was torn between the V60 and V90 CC. Went with a used V90 for a little extra space and love it. Wagons are very practical and would be a great option for the large majority of people who never actually take their SUVs off road. Also, the ground clearance on these is similar or better than a lot of crossovers. I like that I own a vehicle that is unique and rarely seen on the road.
We have a 2022. We love it. There is a dynamic mode which I guess would translate to "sport" mode. It really does feel like a solid vehicle so far (17000mi) since being purchased literally at the end of 2021. Only issues we've had are the headlight and fog lights developing condensation inside. Both replaced by the dealer under warranty. No issues after being replaced.
I agree completely. We love our 2022. We passed on the B and W sound system, and instead paid half of that for the Polestar Optimization. The mid-range torque increase makes this dude scoot!
Thats what we Swedes want. An AWD wagon with around 200bhp. However diesels are more common, but that’s changing towards hybrids. If you compare a crossover with a wagon, the boot space is usually bigger with the wagon.
I was wondering why people choose crossovers over wagons, then I saw the price of the few wagons we have left. I don't think it's fair to say that Americans kill the wagon anymore, especially when in many cases I can get a full size SUV for the same price as a wagon.
The S-word Outback is a wagon, sells well and is cheap enough. The only reason the rest of the remaining options are from expensive brands is because no one was buying them when they were offered. The European brands sell enough in Europe to justify still producing and offering (some of) them here.
why would brands sell cheap wagons, when they can sell expensive crossovers and expensive wagons.. americans just dont want small cars, wagons, or minivans
That is the best SUV ever Room, economy, great interior, AWD, ground clearance. And will pull a small trailer. That is probably going to be our next "car"
I've always loved Volvo wagons but unfortunately I've never owned one for two reasons. #1 I'm not a new car buyer and there aren't many used Volvo for sale in my area. #2 The reason there aren't many used Volvo for sale is because there's only one dealer and it is an hour away from me. I'd prefer to be able to service and maintain my vehicle locally.
I have a 2015.5 V60 not CC not all wheel drive. The best handling wagon ever. Flat cornering, quick, comfortable. Get this, 36 mpg hwy!!! Nothing has ever failed on this car. Just one recall for door handle.
Good Job as always Nathan , two drawbacks their infotainment system by most opinions is laggy and lousy, and since Geely Bought Volvo their cars are not very Reliable. But they have design charm anyway!
They are no less reliable and Geely really had nothing to do with Volvo's reliability. Geely infused Volvo with capital but Volvo is responsible for the content in their cars. There have always been unreliable Volvos even back as far as the 1970s. But there are solid reliable ones too and some of the current ones are reliable.
I do love me a good wagon, always have . . . but a crushed vertebrae now has me driving a raised wagon (cough, cough, CUV) because of entry and exit issues. Good review as always, Nathan.
Hello Nathan. Great video as usual. FYI, the photo of the Audi is an E Tron and not an A4 AllRoad. The other thing that would be nice to know is where these vehicles are made. Something to keep in mind since Volvo is owned by a Chinese company Geely. Thanks
That is true …they also manufacture sedans in the USA … but the control is out of China and the profits go back to China. I wish that Geely would become an international company and divorce themselves from the CCP.
love wagons, but the major issue with station wagons from makers like: volvo, audi, vw, mercedes ..too expensive to service in the US, at least in Az they are...
I am going to take one for the team and provide the dreaded six hundred and sixty sixth like on this video. Also, wagons are cool, but I'm a 33 year old car enthusiast with bills, and this seems a little steep. The best vehicle for my situation, I believe, is the Mazda CX-50, kind of a wagon, kind of a suv, kind of sporty, kind of a tow vehicle, kind of offroady, kind of practical, kind of what I think I need 🙃
The V60 is actually designed for family use, with kids in mind for the back seat. That being said: it fits normal people fine. I did order a V60 (not in cross country) since it is big enough and the hybrid is better for fiscal reasons. Volvo actually prefers to sell SUV’s rather than estates. Waiting time for an SUV (XC60) is half compared to that of a V60.
Where you pointed to auto start-stop in the center console, I wonder if that is actually auto brake hold. If there is the ability to turn off auto start-stop, even if only per ride, I think that will be in the screen menu. Love seeing Volvo wagon reviews, great job.
It is in fact the auto brake hold. Same as in our 22. I had a loaner 2023 XC60 whey the mild hybrid and I couldn't find how to deactivate the auto start stop.
I wish there were more wagon choices, I am not a fan of SUVs with very few exceptions. Most of what is available now are from manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Mercedes.
I love your poem, with the double rhyme "Feet / seat, poet/ know it." Be sure to join an improv-poetry show! I love the wagons, but those cost are high! Does the Crystal shifter light up?
For wagon lovers on more of a budget than a new Volvo (more like $30-40k), placing priorities on reliability, comfort, and costs to own/maintain, is a new Subaru Outback/Mini Clubman smarter than a used luxury brand like a V60/A4 all road/or other German equivalent? I have seen used luxury brands in that price range anywhere from 40,000-70,000 miles (2017-2020ish)depending on year and trim of said wagon and have trepidation when comparing it to a new Outback. Or is there a good year to look into for those luxury brands that may be worth those few extra miles? Fantastic review as always!
The audi a4 all road starts at 45k because there are literally prehistorical specs on it or none at all. If you spec it to the Volvo features you EASILY go above 70. Audi makes you pay CRAZY money for even the simpliest spec. I am own both of them.
Wagons are highly useful but the SUV has replaced it in America. It’s a shame the Jetta / Golf Sportwagon and Alltrack were discontinued, it was affordable and quality. Closest thing now is the KIA Nero which we’re not a fan due to dealership’s for KIA are pretty much horrible.
The price for the "upgraded wheels and tires" is crazy. I say upgraded because every V60 does come with 4 wheels and 4 tires as part of the msrp. So to pay an additional $800 per corner on top of the standard wheel and tire price then you are essentially saying these upgraded wheels and tires are worth $1,200 at each corner as part of the total production price as it sits. Crazy. I assumed a standard wheel and tire would cost about $400 each.
i will forever argue that the outback is not a wagon, and has not been since like pre 2008. I hate that it still gets brought up in wagon talks. by most any metric, the outback is a SUV. by interior volume, the outback crushes just about every other wagon out there. the prime advantage of wagons you mention at 4:16? accessible roof storage? the outback's as tall as a RAV4, it doesn't have that. No one who buys an outback totday, had to have a wagon. based off physical dimensions, you cannot objectively tell me that someone in an outback, couldn't have gotten by with a rav4, or a cx-50, or a CRV.
I'm looking for my first car in decades and I can't believe why there aren't more choices with proper storage space. I like AWD and high clearance for snow etc, but don't wanna buy a "hatchback tank" haha, where are all the crossover SUV alternatives? 😆
Too many nannies for my liking. I’d grad a Outback over this in a heartbeat. Plus, what’s up with the piano black frenzy? Nah, it’s supposed to be rugged and practical. It’s a Cross Country. Like the XC70 (that I dearly miss) or the Wilderness.
Luxury cars are like staying in a luxury hotel. Why am I being charged extra for parking and wifi when The Hampton Inn has those for free? Why would I pay extra for heated leather seats when my 2015 Honda Fit has that? It just doesn't make sense.
Nathan -- Grab that wagon and some relatively similar SUV with a bit of ground clearance. Now get Roman, Tommy, Andre, and yourself to "go shopping" or do some kind of trip where you guys get in and out of both vehicles a few times. I know that "enthusiasts" just can't understand the appeal of the whole SUV segment, but along with the sheer amount of room for cargo, the simple fact is that large people, and older people, simply can get in and out of the larger, taller vehicles much better than they can with "cars" and "wagons." Seriously, please do a video where you take four big guys out in the two alternatives, and see how it goes. I DARE YOU! 😛
7.79 0 to 60 is perfect. Have fun keep your licence. What a great car! To opulent for me tho. I won't pay for opulence. I pay for reliability and economy. GO appliance cars!!!
Man, how big are you that you're not fitting in the back? 😃 I'm 180cm/5'11" and 238lbs/108kg, and I still have a lot of space for my legs and head in this car...
So sad, Volvo used to offer family cars, now you can't even put a child seat on the back seat anymore. I owned one S60 and was truly disappointed. The 240 and 760 had some much space, don't understand what happened to Volvo.
18 mph combine is garbage. A Tahoe or 1/2 ton pickup truck can get that with double the capabilities. While wagons are cool, this offers nothing unique
Actually Volvo is ignoring them tbh. You can’t even find v60 or v90 in dealer lots because they don’t send them. It’s terrible. Trying to buy a luxury wagon and they’re tough to find.
No sir. The owner of the company is Chinese. But the car is engineered, designed, road and track tested in Sweden and the management of the company is Swedish. Volvo is not Chinese.
60k for a station wagon!!?? that's a total ripoff. You can get a full size truck with a lot of utility for that amount of money and if not, you can get a decent crossover and still save 15-20k. No wonder that segment is dead
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In the US, I believe a lot of motorists suffer from a condition called anti-stationwagonism. Most American drivers just don’t buy them, which is a shame, but here in Europe, they have had a long enduring love affair with what many people in the industry agree are practical, stylish vehicles.
The station wagons that are left are very expensive. Domestic SUV’s usually have better ground clearance and more storage for less money.
@@rambocambo75 I think Toyota should launch a rugged Corolla Touring Sports in your market. The trunk area is pretty much the same as a Toyota RAV4.
Offering it with 1.8 hybrid, 2.0 gas or 2.0 hybrid (FWD or AWD).
@@rambocambo75 Well it's sort of a "Chicken or the Egg" situation. Apart from the outback, the remaining wagon options are expensive European brands because people buy enough wagons and hatchbacks in Europe that it's no trouble to still offer them here. Especially when the margins are so high. The affordable options stopped selling here, so no point in offering them.
American brands don't really even make cars anymore, and when they were they just couldn't compete in quality or reliability. There are wagon versions of the WRX (Levorg), Mazda6, Corolla (not shortened like the Corolla HB) and others around the world, where they still sell fine.
@@markcoopers1930 The Outback is a SUV, and the Mini Clubman is more like a MPV than a Station Wagon. The cheapest Wagon is the Audi A4 Allroad, Volvo V60 Polestar is the cheapest wagon that is not ruggedized.
sadly in Europe theyre dropping proper cars instead of crossovers too.
I love hatchbacks and wagons. They are so much better than SUVs and Crossovers. I wish more people bought them
Was torn between the V60 and V90 CC. Went with a used V90 for a little extra space and love it. Wagons are very practical and would be a great option for the large majority of people who never actually take their SUVs off road. Also, the ground clearance on these is similar or better than a lot of crossovers. I like that I own a vehicle that is unique and rarely seen on the road.
We have a 2022. We love it. There is a dynamic mode which I guess would translate to "sport" mode. It really does feel like a solid vehicle so far (17000mi) since being purchased literally at the end of 2021. Only issues we've had are the headlight and fog lights developing condensation inside. Both replaced by the dealer under warranty. No issues after being replaced.
I agree completely. We love our 2022. We passed on the B and W sound system, and instead paid half of that for the Polestar Optimization. The mid-range torque increase makes this dude scoot!
Thats what we Swedes want. An AWD wagon with around 200bhp. However diesels are more common, but that’s changing towards hybrids. If you compare a crossover with a wagon, the boot space is usually bigger with the wagon.
I was wondering why people choose crossovers over wagons, then I saw the price of the few wagons we have left. I don't think it's fair to say that Americans kill the wagon anymore, especially when in many cases I can get a full size SUV for the same price as a wagon.
The S-word Outback is a wagon, sells well and is cheap enough. The only reason the rest of the remaining options are from expensive brands is because no one was buying them when they were offered. The European brands sell enough in Europe to justify still producing and offering (some of) them here.
why would brands sell cheap wagons, when they can sell expensive crossovers and expensive wagons.. americans just dont want small cars, wagons, or minivans
That is the best SUV ever
Room, economy, great interior, AWD, ground clearance. And will pull a small trailer.
That is probably going to be our next "car"
I loved my v70xc all the way to 305k miles
I've always loved Volvo wagons but unfortunately I've never owned one for two reasons.
#1 I'm not a new car buyer and there aren't many used Volvo for sale in my area.
#2 The reason there aren't many used Volvo for sale is because there's only one dealer and it is an hour away from me. I'd prefer to be able to service and maintain my vehicle locally.
I had a 2018 Volvo V60CC, I thought it was a good car. The redesign in 2020 really stepped up the appearance.
I have a 2015.5 V60 not CC not all wheel drive. The best handling wagon ever. Flat cornering, quick, comfortable. Get this, 36 mpg hwy!!! Nothing has ever failed on this car. Just one recall for door handle.
I like volvo v60 cross country, it is so cool.
Good Job as always Nathan , two drawbacks their infotainment system by most opinions is laggy and lousy, and since Geely Bought Volvo their cars are not very Reliable. But they have design charm anyway!
They are no less reliable and Geely really had nothing to do with Volvo's reliability. Geely infused Volvo with capital but Volvo is responsible for the content in their cars. There have always been unreliable Volvos even back as far as the 1970s. But there are solid reliable ones too and some of the current ones are reliable.
@@benjaminsmith2287 agree with you but their infotainment systems and screens are terrible.
I do love me a good wagon, always have . . . but a crushed vertebrae now has me driving a raised wagon (cough, cough, CUV) because of entry and exit issues.
Good review as always, Nathan.
It looks great
I presume this is made at their factory in
Sth. Carolina ?
I’d prefer the V90 CC
More room in row 2 and more cargo space.
Hello Nathan. Great video as usual. FYI, the photo of the Audi is an E Tron and not an A4 AllRoad. The other thing that would be nice to know is where these vehicles are made. Something to keep in mind since Volvo is owned by a Chinese company Geely. Thanks
they are still made in Sweden,
That is true …they also manufacture sedans in the USA … but the control is out of China and the profits go back to China. I wish that Geely would become an international company and divorce themselves from the CCP.
I have a 2020 V60 that was manufactured in Ghent, Belgium.
a honda accord wagon would be my ideal vehicle
love wagons, but the major issue with station wagons from makers like: volvo, audi, vw, mercedes ..too expensive to service in the US, at least in Az they are...
I am going to take one for the team and provide the dreaded six hundred and sixty sixth like on this video. Also, wagons are cool, but I'm a 33 year old car enthusiast with bills, and this seems a little steep. The best vehicle for my situation, I believe, is the Mazda CX-50, kind of a wagon, kind of a suv, kind of sporty, kind of a tow vehicle, kind of offroady, kind of practical, kind of what I think I need 🙃
I actually like the screen size on these
I love the V60. I wish I saw more on the used market.
Thank you for the seating in back sit I’m sold
The V60 is actually designed for family use, with kids in mind for the back seat. That being said: it fits normal people fine. I did order a V60 (not in cross country) since it is big enough and the hybrid is better for fiscal reasons.
Volvo actually prefers to sell SUV’s rather than estates. Waiting time for an SUV (XC60) is half compared to that of a V60.
Where you pointed to auto start-stop in the center console, I wonder if that is actually auto brake hold. If there is the ability to turn off auto start-stop, even if only per ride, I think that will be in the screen menu. Love seeing Volvo wagon reviews, great job.
It is in fact the auto brake hold. Same as in our 22. I had a loaner 2023 XC60 whey the mild hybrid and I couldn't find how to deactivate the auto start stop.
I wish there were more wagon choices, I am not a fan of SUVs with very few exceptions. Most of what is available now are from manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Mercedes.
Between saving the manuals or the wagons, wagons any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Oy I’m so I in love with wagons. Especially Subaru and Volvos!!!!
I actually love the gear shift. It blends well with the car
Keep showing Audi E Tron when mentioning A4 allroad! Would love that volvo, especially with the Bowers and Wilkins sound system!!
We ignore them because of one thing, price. Price to buy it and maintenance cost.
And add reliability.
I love your poem, with the double rhyme "Feet / seat, poet/ know it." Be sure to join an improv-poetry show! I love the wagons, but those cost are high! Does the Crystal shifter light up?
For wagon lovers on more of a budget than a new Volvo (more like $30-40k), placing priorities on reliability, comfort, and costs to own/maintain, is a new Subaru Outback/Mini Clubman smarter than a used luxury brand like a V60/A4 all road/or other German equivalent?
I have seen used luxury brands in that price range anywhere from 40,000-70,000 miles (2017-2020ish)depending on year and trim of said wagon and have trepidation when comparing it to a new Outback.
Or is there a good year to look into for those luxury brands that may be worth those few extra miles?
Fantastic review as always!
I hate that there are generally so many more wagons available in Europe than here in the US cause we just don't buy them often.
Hate 4-cylinders, but these look amazing on the road. The even bigger V90 looks like a space ship on the road.
The audi a4 all road starts at 45k because there are literally prehistorical specs on it or none at all. If you spec it to the Volvo features you EASILY go above 70. Audi makes you pay CRAZY money for even the simpliest spec. I am own both of them.
Wagons are highly useful but the SUV has replaced it in America. It’s a shame the Jetta / Golf Sportwagon and Alltrack were discontinued, it was affordable and quality. Closest thing now is the KIA Nero which we’re not a fan due to dealership’s for KIA are pretty much horrible.
Many of the current SUVs are just wagons with a lift kit.
The price for the "upgraded wheels and tires" is crazy. I say upgraded because every V60 does come with 4 wheels and 4 tires as part of the msrp. So to pay an additional $800 per corner on top of the standard wheel and tire price then you are essentially saying these upgraded wheels and tires are worth $1,200 at each corner as part of the total production price as it sits. Crazy. I assumed a standard wheel and tire would cost about $400 each.
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i will forever argue that the outback is not a wagon, and has not been since like pre 2008. I hate that it still gets brought up in wagon talks. by most any metric, the outback is a SUV. by interior volume, the outback crushes just about every other wagon out there. the prime advantage of wagons you mention at 4:16? accessible roof storage? the outback's as tall as a RAV4, it doesn't have that.
No one who buys an outback totday, had to have a wagon. based off physical dimensions, you cannot objectively tell me that someone in an outback, couldn't have gotten by with a rav4, or a cx-50, or a CRV.
You are correct. I ignore everything that prevents me from retirement.
I love wagons, imma get a used Dodge Magnum and plop a Hellcat engine in it one day once I go to school
Subaru use regular gasoline vs Volvo premium. Outback is much bigger inside
I'm looking for my first car in decades and I can't believe why there aren't more choices with proper storage space. I like AWD and high clearance for snow etc, but don't wanna buy a "hatchback tank" haha, where are all the crossover SUV alternatives? 😆
Too many nannies for my liking. I’d grad a Outback over this in a heartbeat. Plus, what’s up with the piano black frenzy? Nah, it’s supposed to be rugged and practical. It’s a Cross Country. Like the XC70 (that I dearly miss) or the Wilderness.
old cars with the key in the centre console.....except it was SAAB that did that, not Volvo
Luxury cars are like staying in a luxury hotel. Why am I being charged extra for parking and wifi when The Hampton Inn has those for free? Why would I pay extra for heated leather seats when my 2015 Honda Fit has that? It just doesn't make sense.
If you cant haul sheets of plywood with the tailgate open to a safe driving position, it really doesn't have the utility original station wagons had.
I like the idea, but that's SUV prices or fullsize truck prices
Nathan -- Grab that wagon and some relatively similar SUV with a bit of ground clearance. Now get Roman, Tommy, Andre, and yourself to "go shopping" or do some kind of trip where you guys get in and out of both vehicles a few times. I know that "enthusiasts" just can't understand the appeal of the whole SUV segment, but along with the sheer amount of room for cargo, the simple fact is that large people, and older people, simply can get in and out of the larger, taller vehicles much better than they can with "cars" and "wagons." Seriously, please do a video where you take four big guys out in the two alternatives, and see how it goes. I DARE YOU! 😛
7.79 0 to 60 is perfect. Have fun keep your licence. What a great car! To opulent for me tho. I won't pay for opulence. I pay for reliability and economy. GO appliance cars!!!
Not Ignore. Can't afford new LOL
I love Nathan pronouncing Volvo, rather than the traditional: vall-vo. Nathan says: vul-vo. Sounds like part of the female anatomy.
All this expensive technology for just a little mpg - my 2011 Subaru 3.6r is fast and plows through the snow - I average 25 mpg.
11:00 What adult is using the rear climate controls?
I liked wagons
Who needs the kwiky mart…..we doooooo
good review Nathan, i would take the Volvo over the Audi wagon any day, especially when it comes to reliability 👍
So you guys like this , but hate SUbaru's !!!
Because subarus feel like crap inside. Cheap plastic and you are riding almost shoulder to shoulder like some old Japanese car from the 70s.
Man, how big are you that you're not fitting in the back? 😃 I'm 180cm/5'11" and 238lbs/108kg, and I still have a lot of space for my legs and head in this car...
He's 6 foot 1 inch and wears size 13 shoes, not exactly fat or thin , he's big. If he were younger, you would expect him to be a football player.
How come Nathan is hardly ever heard from anymore?
He's had a couple surgeries and long recoveries that made camera work impractical.
I'd take a truck over a wagon or SUV.
That user interface is brutal, the price offers no value and service costs are ridiculous.
So sad, Volvo used to offer family cars, now you can't even put a child seat on the back seat anymore. I owned one S60 and was truly disappointed. The 240 and 760 had some much space, don't understand what happened to Volvo.
18 mph combine is garbage. A Tahoe or 1/2 ton pickup truck can get that with double the capabilities. While wagons are cool, this offers nothing unique
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only if Volvo are reliable
China is now the proud majority owner of Volvo!
Station wagon…
Actually Volvo is ignoring them tbh. You can’t even find v60 or v90 in dealer lots because they don’t send them. It’s terrible. Trying to buy a luxury wagon and they’re tough to find.
Thats a very nice Chinese car.
No sir. The owner of the company is Chinese. But the car is engineered, designed, road and track tested in Sweden and the management of the company is Swedish. Volvo is not Chinese.
Crappy backseat room rules this out immediately. Price is absurd.
60k for a station wagon!!?? that's a total ripoff. You can get a full size truck with a lot of utility for that amount of money and if not, you can get a decent crossover and still save 15-20k. No wonder that segment is dead
What difference does the category make? This is a premium wagon and Mercedes make some that cost over $100K.
stop trying to make fetch happen.....
I ignore Volvo as a brand so it's not just wagons.