@Coraga 1 Wrong. If you can bolt a steering column and seat to the "skateboard" and drive it without the body, it's not unibody. If you have to fix suspension top mounts to the body, it's not "body on frame. DCP DCP is correct. , (The skateboard is still a "frame" though)
@Coraga 1 Motor trend article "......While Tesla *integrates* its skateboard into a more common *unibody* design, Rivian has skewed closer to GM's idea and bolted the R1S's body *onto* the skateboard." (Chassis) A unibody is a single box of welded panels incorporating the floor pan as the chassis onto which either subframes or suspension components are bolted directly, rather than having a separate chassis below. In a unibody ("one piece") design you can't have a separate rolling chassis such as is apparent with the Rivian. You would have a body shell sitting on the floor and suspension components in a pile at each corner. Done, Goodbye.
It looks like it COULD be body on frame, but it sounds like most or all are using this architecture in a quasi-unibody mode, if the body is bolted on and contributing structurally. I'm not a fan of NVH, so I like the possibility of adding some isolation between the skateboard and the body. I don't know of anyone doing this, though.
The lack of an engine is good for another reason, no block to get shoved into your lap when an accident occurs. You finally get a legitimate crumple zone up front.
Not really GM has done a note-worthy job with the Bolt especially but they don't have any platforms readily available to build off it and their brand is typically large v8 engines not Hybrids or electrics. Also Tesla invests far more heavily into the R&D of it's technology and closely works with Partners like Panasonic to produce new battery's, GM wouldn't be ahead of Tesla unless they committed to electric cars 3-4 years earlier.
@@BigHeadClan that's exactly the OP's point. They've come up with innovative concepts like the skateboard design in the early 2000's or even the EV1 in the late nineties but ultimately never followed through due to costs.
@@lukerinderknecht2982 If the Engineers had more fore-sight they would have ensured their platforms were more readily designed for 48-Volt systems, and heavy hybrid designs. I'm sure the bean-counters and shareholders had a lot to do with those products not making it to market but other companies have went through similar hardships same and are better positioned. Nissan nearly went bankrupt in the late 90's, but they pulled themselves up by the boot-straps (without a bailout) and now are right behind the Bolt with the leaf, and their entire Luxury line of cars is set offer a hybrid or full electric by 2021. They also have shown off KERS technology in cars like the Project Black-S. To be clear I don't disagree, when marketing and sales start to run a large company and engineers are pushed out of those high-level decisions you can only expect bad things from it.
I was there I was literally at the Detroit auto shoe when GM introduced the skateboard platform idea and even then I thought it was an awesome idea and then they did absolutely nothing with it.
Question cooley !! If it’s a skateboard design does that mean it can be classified as an body on frame construction and if so does that compromise structural stiffness vs a traditional modern uni body.
SuperHollowfied for example you can use a USB cable to connect anything to a computer regardless of its brand or model. In a similar way we might be able to interchange components like the battery instead of charging it for hours.
@@anuivs2007 the USB port is a good example. Tesla actually did a trial run of what you're talking about. It's called battery swapping. I forget the reason but it was unpopular with customers.
I too found the lack of mentioning Tesla Motors in this video troubling. Tesla Motors put this "Skateboard" design to use well ahead of the rest of the automotive industry that is to include the pitiful GM who took the bailout money they got a ran firing fifteen thousand people just before the holidays. Why is Tesla Motors treated like someone giving a speech at a church event of someone trying to make sure they don't use any curse words?
Not really. SUVs (Sport Utility Vehicles) are body on frame but you can count with the fingers on your hand how many actual SUVs there are on the market. CUVs (Crossover Utility Vehicles) are the ones that are unfortunately taking over the market. CUVs are unibody. This truck that Rivian is showcasing is actually unibody. The "skateboard platform" that Cooley talks about has been implemented in unibody fashion so far. That may change in the future with future vehicles. A great example of a unibody truck is the Honda Ridgeline. It shares the same platform as the Honda Pilot.
I think that the first talk of any kind of skateboard platform may have been as long ago as the seventies. Does anybody else recall anything along these lines?
"skateboard design"? GM gets credit for creating it? What about all the electric RC cars since the early 90s.The all seem to have the "skateboard design".They just scaled everything up, including Tesla.
The future will be how many kW can you cram into a vehicle without intruding in to the Frunk, Passenger, Cargo / Bed space. Once high speed / wireless charging is perfected regen braking & its added weight may go away. Rotor style brakes will disappear as well.
Regen braking will *always* be there. The big breakthrough will be charge dense, resilient *batteries*. *Or* Hybrids!!! *But* not ICE /battery. Capacitive/ battery will be the way.
Very strange. You mention Tesla in your title, but "DO NOT" mention or credit them even once with the skateboard design. And, GM invented it? LOL. It was an FCV "concept" car. We should not credit "concept" cars with innovation, because by that standard we would already have a Turbine and Nuclear cars. Please credit Tesla, because Rivian is using a lot of features they innovated/popularized: - Skateboard - electric motors - OTA update - Cylindrical cell battery architecture. - Full Glass Roof - Single BIG screen replacing knobs To not due credit to Tesla is inappropriate. Especially when you are using their name in the title to attract clicks.
@@roguedogx Norway hit 60% (or more?) EV new car sales. Try this exercise. Assume 2.5% of sales now are EV (that's correct, give or take) Double it, (it's happening!) double again, and again and again. That's 40% by 2023. Before you dismiss it consider the following: EV's are generally known very well. That will change for every EV that sold that's why nice car that isn't sold. Manufacturers are deciding they must convert 2 EV's, it follows that for every EV that is manufactured that's one icei car that *isn't* manufactured. (Apply to previous point! If they don't make them they can't sell them!) Economy of scale for EV's will improve, economy of scale for ICE vehicles will decline, EV's are starting to sell despite *poor* economy of scale, certain categories of ice vehicles are not selling despite *good* economy of scale. It's actually undeniable that there are more subsidies applied to fossil fuels then electric power. This will change. Fossil fuels *will* become more expensive. EV's are *already* cheaper to run. If you live in a market that favours fossil fuels and associated vehicles, consider that most vehicles are built for a global market. If the majority of markets want electric vehicles that's what *you* are getting! Many other points.
The skateboard platform will kill a lot of Americans... Recently a Bronco decapitated a woman in a Tesla in a head-on collision. The Bronco literally went unobstructed through the frunk and glass of the Tesla and killed the driver.
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Everything old is new again. Body on frame is now body on skateboard.
@Coraga 1
Wrong.
If you can bolt a steering column and seat to the "skateboard" and drive it without the body, it's not unibody.
If you have to fix suspension top mounts to the body, it's not "body on frame.
DCP DCP is correct. , (The skateboard is still a "frame" though)
The Rivian truck and SUV have a traditional body on frame design, this time with a battery pack and a motor moving the wheels, same with the BMW i3.
@Coraga 1
It seems you just contradicted yourself?
@Coraga 1
Motor trend article
"......While Tesla *integrates* its skateboard into a more common *unibody* design, Rivian has skewed closer to GM's idea and bolted the R1S's body *onto* the skateboard."
(Chassis)
A unibody is a single box of welded panels incorporating the floor pan as the chassis onto which either subframes or suspension components are bolted directly, rather than having a separate chassis below.
In a unibody ("one piece") design you can't have a separate rolling chassis such as is apparent with the Rivian.
You would have a body shell sitting on the floor and suspension components in a pile at each corner.
Done,
Goodbye.
It looks like it COULD be body on frame, but it sounds like most or all are using this architecture in a quasi-unibody mode, if the body is bolted on and contributing structurally. I'm not a fan of NVH, so I like the possibility of adding some isolation between the skateboard and the body. I don't know of anyone doing this, though.
The lack of an engine is good for another reason, no block to get shoved into your lap when an accident occurs. You finally get a legitimate crumple zone up front.
This allows progressive hardness too to SLOW down the stop to make less damage to riders and others
Master Cooley..in session! Thanks
I see Cooley I hit the like button
Boy, it was painful to watch him NOT SAY TESLA.
It seems like GM pioneered a lot of things. If the bean counters had just gotten out of the way, they'd be ahead of Tesla right now.
Not really GM has done a note-worthy job with the Bolt especially but they don't have any platforms readily available to build off it
and their brand is typically large v8 engines not Hybrids or electrics.
Also Tesla invests far more heavily into the R&D of it's technology and closely works with Partners like Panasonic to produce new battery's,
GM wouldn't be ahead of Tesla unless they committed to electric cars 3-4 years earlier.
@@BigHeadClan that's exactly the OP's point. They've come up with innovative concepts like the skateboard design in the early 2000's or even the EV1 in the late nineties but ultimately never followed through due to costs.
@@lukerinderknecht2982 If the Engineers had more fore-sight they would have ensured their platforms were more readily designed for
48-Volt systems, and heavy hybrid designs. I'm sure the bean-counters and shareholders had a lot to do with those products not making it to market
but other companies have went through similar hardships same and are better positioned.
Nissan nearly went bankrupt in the late 90's, but they pulled themselves up by the boot-straps (without a bailout) and now are right behind the Bolt with the leaf, and their entire Luxury line of cars is set offer a hybrid or full electric by 2021. They also have shown off KERS technology in cars like the Project Black-S.
To be clear I don't disagree, when marketing and sales start to run a large company and engineers are pushed out of those high-level decisions
you can only expect bad things from it.
Dan Sanger GM has better engineers than management.
GM can't get out of its own way because it's run by Wall Street types. All they can see is short term profits.
I was there I was literally at the Detroit auto shoe when GM introduced the skateboard platform idea and even then I thought it was an awesome idea and then they did absolutely nothing with it.
Chevy has the Bolt now. Toyota still no skateboard design. 8.8KW battery in the pack taking up cargo space and Subaru Crosstrek Pluging same thing
Ok we're almost there now let him review the car and make it 20 minutes
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Whr is tesla in the video as the headline suggest?
I'm proud to be skateboarder & electrician.
Please Brian, do more reviews as only you can do
Question cooley !! If it’s a skateboard design does that mean it can be classified as an body on frame construction and if so does that compromise structural stiffness vs a traditional modern uni body.
Can you bolt a seat and steering wheel on then drive it? It's bony on frame
Is the suspension bolted to the "body"?
Then it's not.
Nothing in this video show Tesla!
Why not just titled the caption "The Skateboard under your Rivian" very misleading!!! Shame on you Cooley!💩
Yes! Finally a “universal” Platform!
What do mean by that exactly?
SuperHollowfied for example you can use a USB cable to connect anything to a computer regardless of its brand or model. In a similar way we might be able to interchange components like the battery instead of charging it for hours.
@@anuivs2007 the USB port is a good example. Tesla actually did a trial run of what you're talking about. It's called battery swapping. I forget the reason but it was unpopular with customers.
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Lots of skating lately Cooley I might add
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I too found the lack of mentioning Tesla Motors in this video troubling. Tesla Motors put this "Skateboard" design to use well ahead of the rest of the automotive industry that is to include the pitiful GM who took the bailout money they got a ran firing fifteen thousand people just before the holidays. Why is Tesla Motors treated like someone giving a speech at a church event of someone trying to make sure they don't use any curse words?
I love it!!!
Nice one !
Are we going back to Body on the Frame platform from Unibody platform.... maybe this time we use more batteries and motors....
Not really. SUVs (Sport Utility Vehicles) are body on frame but you can count with the fingers on your hand how many actual SUVs there are on the market. CUVs (Crossover Utility Vehicles) are the ones that are unfortunately taking over the market. CUVs are unibody.
This truck that Rivian is showcasing is actually unibody. The "skateboard platform" that Cooley talks about has been implemented in unibody fashion so far. That may change in the future with future vehicles. A great example of a unibody truck is the Honda Ridgeline. It shares the same platform as the Honda Pilot.
@@superhollowfied906 do they have the top suspension mounts bolted to the body?
If so, they're not true body on frame.
@@rogerstarkey5390 who is they?
@@superhollowfied906
Them
I think that the first talk of any kind of skateboard platform may have been as long ago as the seventies. Does anybody else recall anything along these lines?
Lotus Elan. 1962.
Model T Ford (!)
"skateboard design"? GM gets credit for creating it? What about all the electric RC cars since the early 90s.The all seem to have the "skateboard design".They just scaled everything up, including Tesla.
The future will be how many kW can you cram into a vehicle without intruding in to the Frunk, Passenger, Cargo / Bed space. Once high speed / wireless charging is perfected regen braking & its added weight may go away. Rotor style brakes will disappear as well.
Ivan Vojt regen has no added weight.
Regen braking will *always* be there.
The big breakthrough will be charge dense, resilient *batteries*.
*Or* Hybrids!!!
*But* not ICE /battery.
Capacitive/ battery will be the way.
Very strange. You mention Tesla in your title, but "DO NOT" mention or credit them even once with the skateboard design.
And, GM invented it? LOL. It was an FCV "concept" car. We should not credit "concept" cars with innovation, because by that standard we would already have a Turbine and Nuclear cars.
Please credit Tesla, because Rivian is using a lot of features they innovated/popularized:
- Skateboard
- electric motors
- OTA update
- Cylindrical cell battery architecture.
- Full Glass Roof
- Single BIG screen replacing knobs
To not due credit to Tesla is inappropriate. Especially when you are using their name in the title to attract clicks.
Yes!! Electric cars are selling like crazy!
Hotcakes!
Crazy is a bit of a stretch. Last I checked they were still well inside single digits of market share percentage.
Yeah not really they aren't doing bad by any means and continue to grow, but the yneed another 2-3 years to actually be " selling like crazy".
@@roguedogx
Norway hit 60% (or more?) EV new car sales.
Try this exercise.
Assume 2.5% of sales now are EV (that's correct, give or take)
Double it, (it's happening!) double again, and again and again.
That's 40% by 2023.
Before you dismiss it consider the following:
EV's are generally known very well.
That will change
for every EV that sold that's why nice car that isn't sold.
Manufacturers are deciding they must convert 2 EV's, it follows that for every EV that is manufactured that's one icei car that *isn't* manufactured.
(Apply to previous point! If they don't make them they can't sell them!)
Economy of scale for EV's will improve, economy of scale for ICE vehicles will decline, EV's are starting to sell despite *poor* economy of scale, certain categories of ice vehicles are not selling despite *good* economy of scale.
It's actually undeniable that there are more subsidies applied to fossil fuels then electric power. This will change. Fossil fuels *will* become more expensive. EV's are *already* cheaper to run.
If you live in a market that favours fossil fuels and associated vehicles, consider that most vehicles are built for a global market. If the majority of markets want electric vehicles that's what *you* are getting!
Many other points.
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Can’t wait until Wall Street start pounding rivian too.
The skateboard platform will kill a lot of Americans... Recently a Bronco decapitated a woman in a Tesla in a head-on collision. The Bronco literally went unobstructed through the frunk and glass of the Tesla and killed the driver.
With all this money on R&D they forgot to get a good designer fot this car ! God damz the front of this pickup is UGLY !!
You combustion engine you lose
Clickbaity title
So much ignorance
Sponsored?????