Su-27 Flanker: The Soviet Answer to the F-15 Eagle
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- The Su-27 Flanker was a highly capable fighter jet that was designed to match the capabilities of the US-made F-15 Eagle. The aircraft was highly maneuverable, with a range of advanced features and weapons systems that made it a formidable opponent in air-to-air combat.
The Su-27 has had a significant impact on the development of modern fighter jets, and its legacy continues to be felt in the modern era.
Su-27 WAS NOT originally designed to have TVC. That was added to some models much later.
Factors to consider.
1. Training
2. Mission set
3. Airframe maintenance
4. Avionics
5. Armament
Not as simple as playing "top trumps"
What air to air combat, the wars the Soviet Union and Russia fought had no air forces.
ya cause ba dum tuss they dont like war unlike someone going in iraq libiya syria
America also fights only nations with no air
@@Sumi_S guess Iraq didnt exist...
Major General Vladimir Alexeyev (retired), former head of Combat Training Directorate:
I received theoretical instruction on the Su-27 in spring 1990 and started flying Flankers at Myrhorod that summer.
Something which really gave me a positive impression of the Flanker is its jaw-dropping thrust-to-weight ratio. I was also surprised by the exceptional view from the cockpit. When I first rolled an Su-27, I felt as if I was going to fall out of the cockpit! Another surprise was the ease of flying. The new fly-by-wire controls gave the impression that you just think of doing something, and the airplane does it as if of its own accord.
The Flanker’s speed and acceleration are good, but there is one [bad side-effect]. Once you exceed 850 to 900 kilometers per hour (528 to 559 mph) in a twin-seat Flanker, or 900 kilometers per hour in a single-seat version, the cockpit noise increases with the increase in speed. This is because of the bubble canopy. The disturbed airflow behind the canopy creates a crashing sound. It would sometimes get so loud at speeds in excess of 1,100 kilometers per hour that you couldn’t hear the radio.
In March 1997, I demonstrated the Su-27 in flight for U.S. Air Force General Mike Ryan, at that time commander of [U.S. Air Forces in Europe] and later U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff. After the takeoff, I gave him the controls, and he immediately pulled 7Gs! He wanted to see how quickly the Flanker pulls up. The Eagle is a little wooden when pulling up, a little slow. The General wanted to compare and pulled the stick back quickly, as you do in an F-15. The Flanker immediately pulled up, almost vertically. Mike Ryan didn’t expect that he would pull so many Gs when doing that, because he was flying like in an F-15, with quick, wide stick movements, which you can use in the very stable Eagle. He reacted very well, pushed the stick forward immediately.
When we met in the States the following year, he told me he was surprised by how well the big and powerful Flanker maneuvered.
Colonel Yury Bulavka, deputy commander for pilot training of the 831st Galatska Tactical Aviation Brigade.
During the second year of junior high, I decided that I would be a fighter pilot. I looked at videos of famous Soviet Flanker test pilots-Anatoly Kvochur and Viktor Pugachev-but never imagined that I would fly the Su-27 myself.
I first flew in an Su-27UB twin-seat combat trainer in fall 2004. However, because of a fuel shortage in the air force at that time, it wasn’t until 22 April 2007 that I first flew in a single-seat Su-27. It accelerates faster than the twin-seater and is more powerful. The most difficult part of that flight was the landing-nobody was there to assist and monitor me from the rear cockpit, and that was unnerving.
We often flew against the MiG-29 during exercises. It was really interesting to observe how fighters of two very different categories compare: The Fulcrum is light and small, and our Flanker is considerably bigger. The Fulcrum is good in the vertical plane, it can jump up to a higher altitude quickly. The Flanker has more powerful engines, but it is also heavier. The Flanker’s advantage is that it can drag the Fulcrum into horizontal and oblique maneuvers, and conduct these at high angles of attack and speeds, with which the Fulcrum pilots simply won’t be able to cope for long. For example, the same maneuver might require a pilot to pull 5Gs in a Flanker, but requires 7Gs in a Fulcrum.
However, altitude was an important additional factor. The Su-27 is more nimble at sea level and medium altitude than it is above 8,000 meters (26,200 feet), while the MiG-29 is better at higher altitude.
The maneuvering capabilities of the Flanker are excellent, of course. For example, during air combat maneuvering training at the Clear Sky 2018 exercises-with the F-15C Eagles of the 144th Fighter Wing of the California Air National Guard-we won in three out of four engagements. Naturally, you need to survive long enough to close to visual range, because the Eagle’s electronic equipment and armament are much better. Ukraine has factories that manufacture air-to-air missiles, but we are not quite at the level of modern technology. We need fire-and-forget missiles, because illuminating a target with your radar after launch (with semi-active radar homing) is now a relic of the past. The Russians have the R-77 missile with active homing, while our R-27 is still semi-active.
A significant advantage of the Flanker is its long range. It is as if we are carrying extra fuel tanks, but internally, rather than under the wings. This allows us to carry more weapons on the under-wing hardpoints.
Colonel Sergey Zhuravlev (retired), former senior inspector pilot of the Combat Training Directorate.
I graduated from the Chernihiv Military Aviation School in 1985. I was assigned to serve on the MiG-23 with the 168th Fighter Regiment [in] Starokostiantyniv. Just after we reported, we happened to visit the 831st Regiment at Myrhorod. We asked to take a look at the aircraft it was flying, and they agreed, but warned us, “Don’t come close. The aircraft is secret!” We didn’t go farther than the smoking area-that’s about 100 meters from the aircraft. Until then, we’d only seen images of the Flanker, and now it was already flying here!
Sometime later, I was lucky to become part of an experiment: four Lieutenants, myself included, all with a third-class rating, were chosen and sent to Lipetsk [in Russia] to convert to the Flanker. We got to Lipetsk, the Soviet air force combat training center, at the end of 1986. As soon as we got there, they told us, “We’ll show you a MiG‑29 and Su-27 display today, so that you will see just what you’ll have a chance to fly.” A lot of people from different regiments lined up along the runway. Well, they got a show they won’t forget. A MiG-29 took off, pulled up into a loop right on take-off. He crashed right next to the runway with all his fuel on board. Burning fuel spilled from the aircraft, there were many dead, many others badly burned. We four were lucky, even though we were close.
I got the chance to fly an F-15E once, following the transatlantic transit flight of Su-27s from Myrhorod to Seymour Johnson [Air Force Base in North Carolina] in 1998. I remember clearly how long the preflight check took. For us, you jump into the cockpit, start the engines, and then you are away in five minutes. In the F-15, we sat there for 20 minutes just to check the systems. We sat there, then some kind of onboard failure was discovered and we switched to another fighter, which was checked for a similar amount of time.
Over the range, the U.S. pilot took his hands off the control stick-do what you want! First he showed me maneuvers, then I controlled the aircraft and repeated them. We communicated mostly by signs; the language barrier didn’t allow for more back then. Overall, the F-15 is “softer.” You pull the stick, and it goes smoothly in that direction. In the Flanker, you can achieve greater vertical speeds and angles of attack. In the turn, the Su-27 is also more maneuverable
Man you wrote a novel here. I skipped to the end to see how long it was and I don't feel like reading anymore.
@@chaikaomoua1169 read it whenever you get time with patience...
Very interesting Sir. So sad the relations so deteriorated between countrys.
What is your opinion on the war in Ukraine? As a Russian?
@@genchar692 I don't give opinions. I give out facts...
The Flanker turned heads back in Farnborough 1986 with its aerodynamic maneuverabilitys that the F15Eagle Can't match! (Fact).
What good is maneuverability when you can’t rate fight and it kills all your momentum?
it comes down to who’s the better pilot. maneuverability goes out the window when you have a better trained pilot and I don’t see that with the Russians.
@@turtle__gaming1889 Well, Russia has nice pilots *moves away the photos of pilots drinking vodka before the flight*
Like the one that used a MiG-31 (3rd generation) to destroy an F-14 (4th generation)
Also, who needs aircraft since in case of a world war in not even 30 minutes 8 billion people would be dead
@@prodigy-hu6dyRate fight wont matter when the flankers tosses a high off boresight fox 2 in the one circle
@@muhammadsaleh7229 you realize the F-15 has a better off-foresight Fox 2? You know that right? And that it also has the JHMCS.
25 years later... then the F22 showed up ;)
It was still outclassed by the eagle!
pour le SU27, le système poussées vectorielle ont était développé plus tard
Was the SU-27 meant to have thrust vectoring?
No, but the Su-35 and Su-30 does have
@@TheMadVulpen I know, but that's not what he's saying. Could be because of the short version editing, of course.
Air to Air Combat against who??😂
Same could be said about US records
@across_ media love your shorts ,love by India
i love Rusian
What then? No fight ever happened ⚠️
Super Amazing....
Indonesia have Su27 Su30
Track record of not fighting any other aircraft.
ya same as F 22 right?
@@ghostyt2950 look at his comment "track record of not fighting any other aircraft". this reminds me of another jet.
And yet! Ukraine easily takes them out
no russia uses R-37M not ukraine
Using the missile that was developed by the same country that developed it
Using russian technology 😂
@@ytdanyteveroCorrection...Soviet technology that was actually developed by Ukrainians.
@@joqki_officialWhatever. The R-37 is not very good against fighters unless they’re flying very low with no room to maneuver and heavily laden with ordnance, or they have a terrible radar and don’t get any warning.
The Su 30 and 35 have thrust vectoring. Not the 27. The 30 and 35 are much newer aircraft.
I hope that these two great countries terminate the aggression between them, and have to be friends. If USA and Russia will be friends!!! I promise you that the world will be changed with 180 degree. I love my great homeland USA, and I always wish her the best.
If Trump becomes president wish granted
SU-27 doesn't HAVE thrust vectoring... That's the SU-57...
Su35 does
@patrickwright8352 that's not an SU-27. This video wasn't about other jets, it's about the SU-27. I know very well which Russian jet does what, I trained to fly and fight against them.
@@karlchilders5420yeah you are right. Even though the Su-35 is a latter and the last development of the Su-27 it still doesn't count as the same aircraft. Two different birds
@@karlchilders5420 what did you fly?
@@patrickwright8352 C and D model F/A-18s for the Marine Corps.
Bro said SU 27 has thrust vectoring.
Ikr lmao
I love reading the American "patriot" comments, arguing why they're the best like a child. 😂
Ukraine, hold my beer.
Annnnnnd how’d that work out?!🤣🤣🤣
worked out great for Russia, not for Ukraine (they got shot down by Russian Su35)
So far so good.. lost some to ground fire, or drone attack in the airbase, but overall very effective against ukraine..
@@pikapikacool Nope. Not at all. The SU-27 is a capable platform but the whole Red Air Force dramatically underperformed against Ukraine.
....and in Ukraine, the - anything russian - is on fire or dead.
Beautiful
U.s aircarft are best in the world ... Every one know that ...❤❤❤
MiG-25 ---> F-15 ---> Su-27
Those missiles looked blind af
Of course this aircraft is great against countries without a real air force.
The radar is pretty bad tbh. Even from playing dcs I’ve found u can’t ask it to lock something fighter size any more than 40 miles away while the f15 can track multiple targets at a time at a range of about 80-100 miles.
But any one actually check what they were up against some of these opponents don’t sound like they had anything better than a Mig 15 ,17???????
Although being a capable and (according to British test pilots) easy to adapt to fighter jet, the su 27 is no f15.
Match the F-15?
Yeah right
Wait the 27 didn't have thrust vectoring, right?
why do you feature and praise the military that one day we might be at war with ?? if they would have fought against a country like the USA they would have never put them in the air...
Wise man said always respect your enemies
@fadillah6014 that could be true, but you don't let them know it . General MacArthur didn't praise his enemy when he liberated the Philippines..
What happened to the Iraqi air force? His examples of air to air combat are silly.
And Russia is still trying to beat the F-15!
Pretty bad "response" to an absolute beast. The F-15 can and would kick the shit out of anything Russia has put in the air, including the SU-57, the "more advanced" younger brother of the SU-27.
My Dearest Russia please do some progress in Stealth Technology.
This whole video is meant to gaslight fans of military aviation. Don’t take the bait.
Russia and Chinese fighter jets are joke comparing to US made fighter jets. Bring them on.
Kinda looks like a F15
And I thought it was an mig 29 as an response to f15
And yet the F-15 with a 104:0 K/D in air to air....Su-27 stands no chance...
Mostly depends on the type of approach you are looking for, in terms of payload capacity and radar the f15 wins, while the su 27 wins in things like maneuverability and dogfight capabilities.
@@kerushade8127 maneuverability and DF wont get you far when paired with an excellent radar and 22x AIM-120D, missile carrying abilities of the new F-15EX.
That 104:0 is due to the discrepancy in the support F15 got over whatever opponents got. Put Su27 in F15’s place in those same scenarios, Su27 would also have a 104:0 score.
Yea its easy when you fight more wars than Russia
They fought against brain dead pilots with little training, they fought against Mig 23, 25, 27, 29 with downgrades cus of export models. They fought with those jets without their latest and greatest missiles. The Middle East export Mig-29s had the old R60M missiles and no HMD guided, R73s, much poorer training and tactics and radars were also detrimental.
No wonder the F-15 has 0 deaths in combat. It just hasn't fought a well equipped and capable Air Force.
Like the su-57 but better
Thrust vectoring? Ok bozo.
imagine this aircraft built in the west.. wheew.
f15 is no loses while su27 is many shot down in syria,libya,iraq😂😂
Dude asian fighter jets needs justice..
Westerns are too overrated
Never killed a F15 or F16!!!
....hows it gonna kill one if they havent gotten into a conflict? Thats like saying the US never destroyed a eurofighter
Всем известно, что русские самолеты самые лучшие
F-15 104 kills to zero.
@@mikebrase5161 что это за сказки?)
The SU-27 doesn't have thrust vector ingredients.
The SU-35 or theoretically the 57 are the only Russian aircraft that could take on the F-15
An su 27 can take on a f15 what are you saying man?
@@maximus2536Not really. In a dogfight sure but in practical combat no. The F15 has far superior radar and missiles. The SU27s advantages are the typical advantages Russian aircrafts have. They’re cheap, cost effective and decent for the price. They’re good for militaries on a budget, but the more financially capable countries all run US made fighters for a reason. They’re just straight up better if you can afford them.
@@SilentButDudley which financially capable countries excuse me? France uses mirages and rafales, india uses modernised su-30s and china also uses their own knockoff versions of su27s and su30s, european countries use viggens, gripens, typhoons, rafales, etc. except japan who the actual fk on this earth uses F-15s and is actually a competent military? Because I dont see them???
Furthermore, the F-15 has been modernised multiple times, so if you want to compare the recent f-15s, compare them with SU-35s, which have new AESA radars and missiles. So every single point you mentioned is wrong, its not about "not really" you are just wrong.
Sukkhoi SU 35 is the latest Sukkhoi Su 27 family and the Duck bill Sukkhoi Su34 Fighter Bomber.
India 🇮🇳 Aur Force operation woth Sukkhoi Su30 MKI types.
It’s really hard to call the aircraft “highly effective” when all it was not fighting a formidable enemy. I would take one American in an F4 over this pile any day. But god forbid the SU goes up against an F22. They would be dead before they knew the shot was even fired.
Su-27 has no TVC
No chance against F-15
Russian Jets 😱
Russian pilots 🤤
The su has something in them the f15 dont, cup holder for vodka
The Best Su27
And it was…..
The wrong answer.
It depends on the variety, if it's the F15E strike eagle then maybe it stands a chance, but any other variety like the C or D variant the flanker would get absolutely smoked
I like you little american fanboys😂 always thinking your are the best in everything😂. What fun.😂
@@stachelbeere6978 The reason I say this is because it is slowly getting outclassed by its other brothers, the su35 and su30, and by the way I actually prefer the flanker series I just know that the Americans have slightly better technology.
So u say....This guy probably works for prunelips Putin 😂
The F15 is the greatest fighter jet of all time.
Copium
Do do do do do do do do
@@itsericthedude7585: Слава России
@@itsericthedude7585yep, it stands no chance against F-22 and F-35, while Rafale, Gripen-E and Typhoon are also very impresive...
But we all must agree that its better than anything Russia can field
@@petrsafranek5725no
And the f15 still better
Su_,Beast❤
Beast of a trash can. There’s a reason that Russian equipment is not sold world wide. It’s junk lacking any technological capability.
@@secretsquirrel572You're a funny boy You're a funny boy, SU_Beast😉
Not even close
Su27 can't touch the F15
Там где летает Су-27 ф-15 боиться показываться. Потому что знает что его уничтожат!
Let's see, give f-15 to Ukraine.
@@mr.waffentrager4400will see
laughs in R-73
The SU27 is a very fine aircraft, don't kid yourself. It is lethal in the right hands
The F-15 is among the most successful modern fighter jets, with over 100 aerial combat victories and no losses in dogfights.
The SU-27 not so much, here are some details
1992-1993 war in Abkhazia against Georgian forces. One fighter, piloted by Major Vatslav Aleksandrovich Shipko (Вацлав Александрович Шипко) was reported shot down in friendly fire by an S-75M Dvina on 19 March 1993 while intercepting Georgian Su-25s performing close air support. The pilot was killed
February 2013, two Su-27s briefly entered Japanese airspace off Rishiri Island near Hokkaido, flying south over the Sea of Japan before turning back to the north.[29] Four Mitsubishi F-2 fighters were scrambled to visually confirm the Russian planes,[30] warning them by radio to leave their airspace.[31] A photo taken by a JASDF pilot of one of the two Su-27s was released by the Japan Ministry of Defense.
a Ukrainian Su-27UB1M flown by Colonel Ivan Petrenko crashed during the Ukraine-USAF exercise "Clear Sky 2018" based at Starokostiantyniv Air Base. The second seat was occupied by Lieutenant Colonel Seth Nehring, a pilot of the 144th Fighter Wing of the California Air National Guard. Both pilots died in the crash
February 2022, a Ukrainian Su-27 and a refueling vehicle were burned out by fire after a Russian attack on Ozerne Air Base in Zhytomyr District during the first day of the Russian invasion of Ukraine.[71] The next day, another Su-27 was shot down in Kyiv by friendly fire[72] while incorrectly attributed to a Russian S-400 system[73] and was recorded by residents on their cellphones and published on Twitter;[74] its pilot, Colonel Oleksandr Oksanchenko, was killed
June 2022, a Ukrainian Su-27, bort number 38 blue, was shot down while flying at low altitude near Orikhiv in Zaporizhzhia Oblast. The aircraft was reportedly destroyed either by an enemy air-to-air missile or due to friendly fire
August 2022, a Ukrainian Su-27 was reported lost in combat. The pilot died
October 2022, one Ukrainian Su-27 from the 39th Tactical Aviation Brigade [uk] was lost during a combat mission in Poltava Oblast, the pilot died
September 1990: A Soviet Su-27 crashed at the Salgareda airshow in 1990 after pulling a loop at too low an altitude. The Lithuanian pilot, Rimantas Stankevičius, and a spectator were killed
December 1995: Two Su-27s and an Su-27UB of the Russian Knights flight demonstration team crashed into terrain outside of Cam Ranh, Vietnam, killing four team pilots.
July 2002: A Ukrainian Su-27 crashed while performing an aerobatics presentation, killing 77 spectators in what is now considered the deadliest air show disaster in history. Both pilots ejected and suffered only minor injuries
September 2005: Russian fighter Su-27 crashed near the city of Kaunas, Lithuania. The pilot ejected and wasn't hurt. Investigation concluded, that main cause for crash was pilot's incompetence
The SU-27 system sucks, pilots Lack training. this is a deadly combo. Russias military is just horrible in so many ways. I suspect China is very much the same.
Its so powerful
Sukhoi is ready for buying as well
Srt r.dezler usa,prndulum
If the F-15 was sentient, it'd be laughing at this video.
The Su-27 is cool and all, but it'll never be as good as the F-15.
Yes it hasn't bombed enough civilians
@@maximus2536 LOL.
Su27 is superior aircraft in all aspects as far as plane itself is concerned, f15 has better radar and avionics and missiles, if both planes had close air dogfight f15 wouldn't have a much chance yes in bvr f15 has edge.su27 has unmatched agility
@@umaydniassuh6511 you wish that was true so bad.
@@AlienVibesss I don't wish but facts are facts which you seem to have little knowledge 😂have you even bothered to read about usaf exercise with Indian flankers which are based on Su27? F15s struggled badly.
Russians went up against easy prey! If the Russians were going up against USA fighters, they would all stay home😂😂😂
It's not like US itself fought tough opponents..In past 20 yrs US fought countries with no airforce pls remember dat part b4 u disparage Russia's capabilities after all ur much vaunted airforce didn't cover itself in glory in Vietnam.
@sifisontshangase9200 they sure did cover themselves on glory in Vietnam. SAMs took down the majority of jets there. The only other times stuff was shot down is when MiG-21s show down EB-66s or F-105s and shit like that. They ran from F-4s and if you remember what Robin Olds did he waxed their panties so bad they never faced American airpower in any numbers after operation Bolo. Russia is a shadow of what the USSR was, and even THAT was a paper tiger.
Buddy have u even watched 1 Vietnam documentary 😂your a pencil pusher the only aircraft that has really proven it’s self is the f 15 that being said if push came to shove and the f15s did intrude on RU airspace they wouldn’t “stay home” because they would need to do their job and defend their airspace like any other nation the f15s ain’t stealth and fighter has grown in the many years since the f15 had its glory it looks nice on paper but just like any other aircraft combat is very unpredictable and anything can go wrong
@@karlchilders5420wtf are you say? The US lost the Vietnam War while suffered over 2,251 aircraft losses against the viet cong that only lost between 150-170 aircraft and helicopters. The US hasn't face a major power in a direct conflict and has only won just 1 major war and lost the rest since ww2, cope harder 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just like US always go against easy prey and still lose, cope harder 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They are all in pieces in Ukrainian farmers’ fields.
😊😊😊❤❤❤
Inferior electronics ☹️
Match the capabilities of the F15 yeah ok keep on dreaming russia
Sue 27 😂😂😂😂😂
How much BS can a person make up in a freaking short… sad if people don’t know anything about the topic but make a video on it.
Why all the Russian propaganda?
They are losing a war despite having greater numbers and equipment. The su series are cool just not stellar in the hands of eastern countries with vicious ambitions to their neighbors.
Always COPY
Nope F14 started the SU27
MIG 21 started F14
Circle of life 🦁
To me the Sukhoi27 always looked like a F16 on steroids with twin turbines
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Glory to Russia 🇷🇺 ❤
Hmmm - isn't there only 11 in service - not a credible threat!
You are talking about SU-57. This is SU-27
F
Now this might be the (wrong) answer to the F-15, but put any Russian jet from any time period against an F-22 or F-35 and it’s getting shot down before the Slavs can even get their radar to function. 😂
That thing would get smoked
Su27 and su30 have no chance against f15
Russians make some beautiful planes. I’ve had the privilege of being in Russia twice, the second time very recently in Feb 2023. I loved listening to all the cool war stories and how Russia ended WW2 and lost millions of men in the process. Russia didn’t forget what can happen like the west forgot.
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No match atall here , the F 15 will pulverize the su hu 27 , shut the front door an F 16 will even lay waste
I'm sorry, didn't America take the idea of the F15,from the su25/27,before gobbing off do some proper revision
No. The US heard about the MiG-25’s speed and assumed it to be some super-fighter. So the US freaked out and built an actual super-fighter in record time in response. Then the US got to see a Mig-25 close up when a Soviet pilot defected, and realized it was garbage as a fighter and was only decent as an interceptor due to limited range and short engine life. The F-15 was good at everything though. The Su-27 was the Soviet response to the F-15. It had a slight advantage in maneuverability over the F-15 (but not over the F-16), but the two countries had different fighter doctrine, with their respective fighters reflecting that. The F-15 had far superior radar and avionics as well. That mattered then, but the F-15’s advantage has only increased due to the increased effectiveness of air to air missiles and IFF systems. Whereas the Su-27 might have been able to get into dogfight range in the 80s (if well piloted, which was always in doubt), it would probably be a flaming wreck now long before it had a chance to engage the F-15 in a turning fight. And if it did, the F-15 just wouldn’t turn with it. It would use hit and run tactics like US fighters have used since Guadalcanal.
FLYING BOAT ANCHOR.
Junk .. how many do they have .. hahahahahahaha
Verdad que todos los sukhoi y mig's rusos casi son iguales solo le cambian un pendejadita...
The SU-35 is no match to the F-15. It was the potential answer to the F-15 however the SU-35 is now obsolete and the war in Ukraine prove how vulnerable is when inferior Ukrainian Mig-29 beat them multiple times in dogfights.💥🐵🤷♂️