The point of a carrier is that it carries. The Galatica has 75 Vipers, just as the similar-sized Star Destroyers have 72 TIE Fighters. (And they each have at least a dozen armed shuttles). The Enterprise has half a dozen shuttles.
And Galactica's fighters would be completely irrelevant. The tech divide is just too great, we have seen what happens when low-tech fighters take on a starship. They get swatted like flies.
@@Tyrael1701 The torpedoes were likely made on the go. they can replicate the casing and most of the material except antimatter - that can be either taken from the ship itself, OR they traded for antimatter with friendly species. Same applies to shuttles. The tech these people have at their disposal is ridiculously advanced and capable of maintenance, upgrades, repairs, construction, whatever you can think of really. They probably did that during off-screen times.
I honestly don't recall BSG weapons tracking like that either. I am sure some of the missiles did but I believe the the Galatica guns were like regular shells that exploded on impact or timed to exploded?
The galactica uses heavy turrets across its front, bottom and top and uses point defence turrets along the flight pods. It does have missle tubes usually loaded with nukes.
@@richardscepton3114 I'd say the Excalibur shells are more course adjustable within extreme limitations than guided- even with the laser marking, the fins can only do so much without propellant assist. (Likewise, those fins wouldn't really do jack in vacuum- one the KEWs fired, the rounds were going the direction they were going.)
I love BSG, but that would be the shortest battle in Sci-Fi history. The range and accuracy of Star Trek weapons is insane compared to BSG. It would be nearly impossible for the Galactica to even be able to land a hit from the distances the engagement would take place. Voyager's sensors and phasers would also completely negate the Galactica's Viper/Raptor squadrons. And let's not forget how badly a single nuke messed up the Galactica in the mini-series. I don't even want to think about what a full volley of anti-matter warheads would do to it. All this and I haven't even mentioned Voyager's shields, maneuverability, and transporter advantages. The Galactica's only chance would be to catch them by surprise, execute an FTL jump right on top of Voyager, and unloading everything they had before the shields could be raised. But once the Voyager crew knew they were in a fight, it would be game over.
In STTOS, Spock advises Kirk that a 1960s nuclear weapon might be able to damage the Enterprise if its shields are down. With them up? Probably little to no effect. Phasers are shown to wipe missiles and fighters away. And as you pointed out, STTOS engagement ranges were typically measured in tens of thousands of kilometers. Tactical warp to range, beam out the gadget that maintains the Galactica's reactor containment field, tactical warp away, and watch the boom. Star Wars and BSG tech is no match for ST with one exception: strategic speed. hyperspace is much quicker than warp.
@@MichaelAnderson-ir7hz Even then, I still think Voyager would have an advantage in that area, at least when it comes to an engagement. It's true that Star Wars and BSG ships have FTL technology that can cover distances MUCH faster than Federstion ships. However, these are also shown to need a decent amount of "spool up" time and require extremely complex calculations to be done. Warp, on the other hand, seems to be something that can be engaged pretty much at the drop of a hat (barring ship damage or environmental considerations). In a battle, I think Voyager would be much more capable of executing a strategic retreat, if necessary, than either the Galactica or Star Wars ships.
There's always talk about tens of thousands of kilometer ranges in Star Trek, but we always see combat take place at on-top-of-each other distances ... just like in BSG.
@@dmacbass It’s so the audience can actually see the battle on screen without the ships being tiny dots off in the distance. Honestly, the Galactica is probably also capable of engaging from farther out than is shown on screen. But again, it’s for the audience’s sake that ships are usually shown in such close proximity. However, bullets and other projectile weapons are never going to outrange guided torpedoes and energy beams. They’re going to always be outranged, with no ability to maneuver in close, and no offensive/defensive counters for anything Voyager is bringing to the table. Galactica has an instantaneous FTL ability that will only be good at the outset of a surprise attack. Everything after that leans heavily in Voyager’s favor.
@@pokes404 I agree that no one should have to engage that close in any realistic scenario, but still, what you see is what you get. As for the battle, tech obviously heavily favors Voyager. The only monkey wrench is that Trek ships are incredibly fragile by sci-fi standards while battlestars are the absolute definition of toughness. Whether those facts can give Galactica a better chance ... hard to say.
@@kcdodger Discovery, Terrain flagship vs planet, matter anti-matter explosion based on real physics, yields more explosive force than seen on the show. 1.5kg matter and anti-matter is 1,712 times more energy than the one released by Little Boy.
@@ascelot It explodes however big the plot needs it. If photon torpedoes were REALLY that destructive, there never would have been an Enterprise past the first hit.
@KCDodger Photon torpedoes are anti-matter explosives. Each torpedo is a multi-megaton explosive. Voyager's first barrage of torpedoes would've wrecked Galactica.
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Looking online and the 25 isoton yield of a ds9 era photon torpedo is just shy of 100 kilotons giving an average photon torpedo twice the yield of the battlestar nukes, in the show the Galactica took a lot of hits from 50kt nukes and took a beating each time, a handful of photon torpedo hits in the same area of the hull would punch through the armour and rip the Galactica apart, also the Galactica armour was built to take kinetic damage from rail guns and explosive damage from missiles and nukes, wouldn't phasers more or less melt through the armour pretty quickly?
The reality is, given the technological disparity, I don't think the Galactica would stand a chance. Ship to ship, phasers and photon torpedoes would tear the Galactica apart in short order. It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I don't recall the Galactica having energy shields at all. Not to mention, we know the range of Federation phasers is around 300,000km by the TNG era and Galactica is a slow, lumbering hulk of a ship compared to most Federation ships. The Intrepid class excels in that area. The weapons employed by the Galactica probably couldn't even hit Voyager and even if they did, it's doubtful they could do any significant damage before Voyager destroyed the Galactica. Fighters would be useless. We've seen Federation starships destroy multiple small craft of that sort simultaneously with ease. With their targeting systems, fighters are largely irrelevant in the Star Trek universe. They exist to perform niche roles, but they are not generally employed against capital ships for good reason. In my opinion the Galactica is among the most primitive hero ships out of the major sci-fi franchises and it would have virtually no chance against any Federation starship. The video is pretty generous towards the Galactica here.
My prediction is that a Star Destroyer would utterly wreck a Battlestar. Star Wars is a significant weight class in weaponry above even Star Trek, especially with Imperial ships.
@@EdricLysharae No, not consistently. Both Star Trek and Star wars have inconsistent firepower showings, but star treks is wider, and top end trek feats significantly exceed star wars by a very wide margin. TOS having enterprise tank a plant killing shot and DS9 The Die is cast showing 20 trek ships destroying 30% of a planets crust in a single volley goes way above any showing star wars has ever had minus hyperbolic statements and the death star. But both setting have shown wildly inconsistent showings making a firepower comparison between Star Trek and Star wars rather pointless because you can get wildly different results depending on whatever showings are cherry picked. That being said, both Star Trek and Star wars should be significantly ahead of BSG, so the original point of an ISD being able to facewreck Galactica is still valid. I would personally rate Star Trek TNG Era ships and Star Wars GCW era ships as being roughly comparable on a ton for ton basis in terms of power generation with maybe a marginal advantage to trek, but not big, with say a Galaxy being roughly in the ballpark of power generation as say an Acclamator or a Providence.
I think the origional battlestar would fare better seen as that one doesnt use projectile weapons, it uses energy weapons like star wars ones, if you compare the two battlestars on that note the origional one seems more advanced than the new one Whats better though, lasers or missiles
Galactica, a ship that would make the nx-01 look advanced with no shields and weapons travelling at sublight speeds against Voyager, a ship that took hundreds-thousands of nuclear bombs in the span of a few seconds before the shields gave out. The nukes were also going faster in time than voyager and yet the shields still stopped them somehow. This fight if lore accurate would go so hilariously one sided in voyager’s favour that the video would be boring. Still looks like a fun mod though.
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The problem with all of these cross-universe battles is the tactics. No way would a Starfleet ship fight at impulse speeds against something like the Galactica, which definitely does not have the ability to fight at FTL speeds (we've seen both photons and phasers work at Warp speeds). Hit and run attacks, the Picard Maneuver, even the transporters randomly beaming bombs into the Galactica (which doesn't have shields), would be absolutely devastating in most of these alternative universes (B5 and Star Wars ships can't fight at FTL speeds either).
I think this is one of those battles that don't add up. The shields on Voy give it a significant advantage; I'm pretty sure a micrometeor at near light speed packs more punch than a full broadside from Galactica. And her nukes wouldn't be effective- even with her shields down, the Enterprise tanked a nuke at point blank range and had some electrical issues (Balance of Terror). I love me some BSG, but its just not a balanced fight- sure, the Bucket might be the Mike Tyson in this fight, but the other side is a freaking tank.
In the episode blink of an eye, voyager was pelted by hundreds or thousands of nuclear weapons going faster in time than voyager before failing. Galactica would be destroyed in a single phaser hit. But the mods wouldn’t be fun I’d lore accurate.
@@kellyevans3254 Not quite; just popped in the DVD, and it wasn't nukes, it was antimatter "torpedoes" (I mean, I'm really thinking they were more missiles), and it was a few dozen, not hundreds. The last shot was a tricobalt device- however, the entire time, the shields were up. (The tricobalt device took down the shields, shortly before the native's ships pulled Voyager from orbit.) So, the shields were doing the lifting. Insofar as "a single phaser" taking down Galactica, depends on 1) how good the armor is at energy displacement, and 2) what era/type the phaser is. I mean, we saw the NX hit by phasers, and it wasn't a warship not did it have shields- and "polarized hull plating" only would go so far. (And when the NX "found" a Romulan mine, it was a 1/4 kiloton detonation; significantly less than the bombs dropped in WWII, and messed the ship up. Obvs, defensive tech got better by TOS, but a small nuke took out a chunk of the NX's hull (and from the damage radius, it was a little ways from the hull)- whereas direct phaser fire (on non-Armor hull- definitely far thinner than a battlestars) did far less damage.) Again, the battlestar ain't gonna win- but its gonna tank a bit more damage (though not really able to return any) than "a single phaser".
It has been shown in canon both classic ST and ST TNG that missiles are no match for Starfleet ships. The computer can shoot them down long before they reach the starship. Interesting battle but with this glaring error.
Without Vipers, Point Defense Cannons, or the fast-blink FTL, it was somewhat of a one-sided fight. But my goodness that thing could rain down fire huh?
I''d love to see him attempt to destroy the Lantean starship. (With it's shield bypassing drone weapons and impenetrable shields. And that's before the upgrades!)
@@InvincibleSol considering a photon torpedo is roughly over a 1000 times more powerful then a nuclear bomb and van distrupt subspace and causes major subsystem damage on a direct hull impact i am going to have to say the galactica wouldnt stand a chance.
Keep in mind that this is the Galactica we're talking about. Not the pegasus. (The Galactica's bigger and much angrier brother. Nuke spam for days bois)
I hope retro sees this but I doubt it. First, your theory about it folding under one torpedo is simply asinine. Battlestars are specifically designed to take heavy bombardment. A couple things that seem to be missing, according to canon the reason they relie so heavily on armor is the energy shield grid use by both the cylons and colonial navy worked so well energy weapons had little to no effect anymore, hence the reason they both used kinetic weapons. Next, let's say for a moment we completely disregard the story canon that attempts to connect original 1978 BSG, with 2004, There is yet another issue. BSG has a full on PDS system. Something Star Trek couldn't even get right in the most advanced showings. As slow as torpedoes are there's almost no chance they make it through the point defense flak from the BSG. Also, primary rail cannon range on a Battlestar is upwards of a third or more longer max accurate range of any Trek weapon we've seen this far. Meaning the Voyager, or really any of the Trek ships could have taken critical dmg before even getting into range to fire. Simply put, the person that designed and wrote the BSG mod was woefully uninformed, or just really hated BSG. And to another point made by a previous poster, BSG is a carrier, yet not once have we seen her launch all vipers and raptors.
@@timbarela7807 1: kinetic weaponry is woefully ineffective against deflector shielding 2: a photon torpedo in the star trek the next generation technical manual was stated to have 1.5 kilograms of antimatter. After energy conversion it is roughly equivalent to 66 megatons of tnt. For comparison the largest nuclear warhead ever detonated, the Tsar Bomba, sits at 50 Kt. However it is stated that the antimatter in the torpedo is mixed for weapons grade capacity, it would be comparable to an antimatter storage pod rupture containing 100 cubic meters of anti deuterium. Antimatter is usually stored on star ships as liquid. And 1 cubic meter of deuterium has a density of 160kg/cubic meter. If the comparison is indeed correct then it would be equivalent to a 690 gigatons , or 690000 FUCKING megatons of tnt. A photon torpedo can SNAP A CONTINENT IN HALF and you think a mere unshielded vessel would be able to withstand it? Also torpedoes are equipped with deflector shielding for firing at warp. That means unless a flak shell strikes it directly, shrapnel won't do much against the slow flying menace.
@@timbarela7807 also, lasers. The so called energy weapon you mentioned just so happened to be laughed out of the window by the enterprise crew. Captain Picard even said to forget about shields. And yes,there is always a range problem. However, by the time they see a starfleet ship warp in using their DRADIS, it'll already be too late.
@@timbarela7807 and then there comes the phasers. Standard starfleet type 12 phaser arrays were stated to have 1000 terawatts(hours? Seconds?) of energy. So we'll do both calculations. First is the 1000 tw/h calculation. After conversion the megatons of tnt it is now 820 megatons. And using the tw/s calculation its energy is 619502.868069 megatons. We'll assume tw/h calculation is accurate because well, just seems a bit unfair for the photon torpedoes.
If the BSG has no shields I would think your best weapon would be the transporter. Just beam some photon torpedos with a very short timer and blow up from the inside. Just need to locate main engine core of fuel storage area.
Well done again... I forgot what the Battlestar Galactica looked like no the new show but the older ones... Nice job Captain.. just a big hole on the front but Neelix will find parts.. eehhh!
again the fundamental flaw of battlestar is they don't have FTL sensors. any federation ship can maintain warp 1.2 and just flank them all day dodge weapons fire and keep with the flanking until battlestar blows up. if that don't work beam torpedoes into her engine core and blow her up that way
The average fed vessel should be able to park there and take its entire weapon load without flinching given that they're using what looks like chemically propelled guns and a couple of low yield nuclear weapons
@@cosmeticscameo8277 they shouldn't have been loaded with that many powerful nukes since the ones used by the Cylons to destroy colonial cities were considered a big deal, and those weren't all that impressive compared to photon torpedoes. Regarding the inability of fed shields to take nukes, photon torpedoes are effectively more powerful versions of nukes and shields withstand those fine. In the first strange new worlds episode the Enterprise was fired upon by plasma torpedoes which were probably plasma shaped charges powered by nukes, and their shields pretty much shrugged them off as well.
Seriously. This mod MUST include the TOS battlestars with their Vipers from 1978's show, along with those Cylon basestars and their 3 passenger raiders
The only thing that should have done any damage to Voyager would have been nuclear ordinance, since in the series Galactica didn't have that much, I'm assuming that was the War Time configuration with more hull plating based on the texture. So maybe that had that much nuke power at that time.
Ahhhhh...The ST Voyager is more advanced than anything that the rebooted BSG ever had...The only unusual thing about the Rebooted BSG was it's Armored frame designed to take a couple of low kt yield Nukes from fighter escorts....The Voyager is light-years ahead of the BSG (which ONLY had conventional based bullets, shells, rockets, and missiles...) Voyager had an advanced defense shield 🛡️...They would appear to be invulnerable as they dished out Futuristic destruction with their Phaser arrays and class 6 /10 PHOTON TORPEDOES....
The flak shield Galactica puts out should count as a shield. would have stopped some torpedos and some phasers though since its directional Voyager could just move around it.
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Seems like voyager's computer would scan and find a weakness in just a few seconds. Then one photon would enter that weakness and explode the ship from the inside. That scenario seems more realistic.
Would have been easier if you had targetted their sensors instead of their port hangar bay. Also, would have been much harder if the BSG had or were able to launch vipers.
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LOL what a nerf job, true to the series itself. Voyager's photon torpedoes should have ended it in one salvo. The Galactica has zero beam weapon defenses and zero shields. Voyager ultragigaterawatt phaser array should have carved it like a roast. "Fire phasers ok coffee time and romance novel hour on holodeck gg all"
i read a interesting fanficiton whre voyager runs into galctican and due to the STRONG pesonalities shall we say involved on both sides shit almost got hot. Ironically Janeway didn't think that the incredibly backward and fractious society of the colonials would be anything but a pain in the ass for the federation and FOR ONCE i cannot disagree.
I don't know who statted the Galactica for Bridge Commander, but it doesn't have anywhere near that much firepower. It has a ton of point defense, four cannons that might be able to dent a starship's shields (but probably not) and some missile silos it rarely ever fires. Voyager is at least a century ahead of Galactica tech wise, this should be a one-sided slaughter.
I hope retro sees this but I doubt it. First, your theory about it folding under one torpedo is simply asinine. Battlestars are specifically designed to take heavy bombardment. A couple things that seem to be missing, according to canon the reason they relie so heavily on armor is the energy shield grid use by both the cylons and colonial navy worked so well energy weapons had little to no effect anymore, hence the reason they both used kinetic weapons. Next, let's say for a moment we completely disregard the story canon that attempts to connect original 1978 BSG, with 2004, There is yet another issue. BSG has a full on PDS system. Something Star Trek couldn't even get right in the most advanced showings. As slow as torpedoes are there's almost no chance they make it through the point defense flak from the BSG. Also, primary rail cannon range on a Battlestar is upwards of a third or more longer max accurate range of any Trek weapon we've seen this far. Meaning the Voyager, or really any of the Trek ships could have taken critical dmg before even getting into range to fire. Simply put, the person that designed and wrote the BSG mod was woefully uninformed, or just really hated BSG. And to another point made by a previous poster, BSG is a carrier, yet not once have we seen her launch all vipers and raptors.
Trek ships phasers have 200,000km range, torpedoes have 4 million km. BGS would not have a chance. Phasers destroy metal by nadion particles. Vipers would be one shot by 1% phaser power. 100% phaser power can destroy cities. And a small fleet can liquify 30% of a plants Crust in minutes. Look up Die is Cast.
The AI can't utilize these ships as intended. Not all of Galactica's weapons were used. Looks like only the missiles were used. While its nukes and close-range guns were not, including the Vipers. These scenarios need to be PvP.
There is no BSG would be even remotely comparable to Trek level of technology. Also, whoever thought that missiles would ever pose a threat? They are slow moving, easy to shoot down, etc. Tactical nukes are something even the TOS Enterprise can shrug off without shields. Photon torpedoes travel at a significant fraction of C and carry heavy firepower (we've seen evidence of hundreds of megatons to dozens of gigatons range). BSG wouldn't stand a chance.
Hate to say it I've been a mega fan of BSG since 1978 voyager could slice up that Galactica like a pork roast. Like a jedi through 6 standard battle dorids
Against the Galactica's class of ship stay far and stay below for the most part. Less guns or armor, and most of the galacticas guns are flak for close up or defense against missiles
its a strange situation, because bsg tech is really old... they still use guns, not even rail guns... just guns. missile, conventional and nuclear. and their speeds are very g limited. same with their fighters. against star trek, the expanse and such, where distances are often as far as 40,000 km, you need weapon that travel at high fractions of the speed of light. really, a starship could sit at 20,000km out and pound it with phasers. or 40k out and torpedoes. its one of those strange "faction" issues.
Galactica would have decimated Voyager in reality. They have nukes and fighters, …unless Voyager has some tricobalt devices onboard. But then again, Voyager has shields…
i so hate it when people try to compare APPLES to ORANGES; a 'rational' comparison of tech capabilities as depicted in their respective franchises will show that BSGalactica gets its @$$ handed to it; rail guns - stopped by navigational deflector, nuclear warheads - stopped by standard shields. on the FLIP SIDE Galactica has no answer to the photon torpedo, the transporter, or tractor beam any Starfleet ship can attack at faster than light speed which would render Galactica UNABLE TO EVEN TARGET let alone HIT the Starfleet Vessel. Galactica losses badly against the TOS Enterprise and were talking about Voyager here. so you want to go on about all the extra armor... then you also need to discus Starfleet sensors and the ability to precision strike the only way Galactica even comes close is because the game parameters are set to let it
Or would the Borg let them hack them then use that connection to force the Hive mind onto that ship. Would end up being full cyber warfare no other weapons fired.
The Battlestar Galactica betta has no chance against Star Trek ships. Battlestar Galactica alpha will definitely give it a better fight either Galactica I can only say one thing where are the fighters where are the vipers half the battle strength of a Galactica class vessel is fighter squadrons they may only care in one pair of pulse lasers but they carry four missiles each
The point of a carrier is that it carries. The Galatica has 75 Vipers, just as the similar-sized Star Destroyers have 72 TIE Fighters. (And they each have at least a dozen armed shuttles). The Enterprise has half a dozen shuttles.
Any starfleet ship would one shot their phasers
And Galactica's fighters would be completely irrelevant. The tech divide is just too great, we have seen what happens when low-tech fighters take on a starship. They get swatted like flies.
And Voyager carries unlimited shuttlecrafts
And unlimited torpedoes despite saying they can't replicate them. Still my favorite show though.
@@Tyrael1701 The torpedoes were likely made on the go. they can replicate the casing and most of the material except antimatter - that can be either taken from the ship itself, OR they traded for antimatter with friendly species.
Same applies to shuttles. The tech these people have at their disposal is ridiculously advanced and capable of maintenance, upgrades, repairs, construction, whatever you can think of really.
They probably did that during off-screen times.
I honestly don't recall BSG weapons tracking like that either. I am sure some of the missiles did but I believe the the Galatica guns were like regular shells that exploded on impact or timed to exploded?
It might be because of the ST ship going really fast and the battlestar going max lead pumping lol
Also the BSG did have missiles.
The galactica uses heavy turrets across its front, bottom and top and uses point defence turrets along the flight pods. It does have missle tubes usually loaded with nukes.
They were cannons with standard projectiles (relative to our world); of course, good gunners do lead their targets a bit...
@@Sephiroth144 We do have guided shells for our cannons IRL.
@@richardscepton3114 I'd say the Excalibur shells are more course adjustable within extreme limitations than guided- even with the laser marking, the fins can only do so much without propellant assist. (Likewise, those fins wouldn't really do jack in vacuum- one the KEWs fired, the rounds were going the direction they were going.)
I love BSG, but that would be the shortest battle in Sci-Fi history. The range and accuracy of Star Trek weapons is insane compared to BSG. It would be nearly impossible for the Galactica to even be able to land a hit from the distances the engagement would take place. Voyager's sensors and phasers would also completely negate the Galactica's Viper/Raptor squadrons. And let's not forget how badly a single nuke messed up the Galactica in the mini-series. I don't even want to think about what a full volley of anti-matter warheads would do to it. All this and I haven't even mentioned Voyager's shields, maneuverability, and transporter advantages.
The Galactica's only chance would be to catch them by surprise, execute an FTL jump right on top of Voyager, and unloading everything they had before the shields could be raised. But once the Voyager crew knew they were in a fight, it would be game over.
In STTOS, Spock advises Kirk that a 1960s nuclear weapon might be able to damage the Enterprise if its shields are down. With them up? Probably little to no effect. Phasers are shown to wipe missiles and fighters away. And as you pointed out, STTOS engagement ranges were typically measured in tens of thousands of kilometers. Tactical warp to range, beam out the gadget that maintains the Galactica's reactor containment field, tactical warp away, and watch the boom. Star Wars and BSG tech is no match for ST with one exception: strategic speed. hyperspace is much quicker than warp.
@@MichaelAnderson-ir7hz Even then, I still think Voyager would have an advantage in that area, at least when it comes to an engagement. It's true that Star Wars and BSG ships have FTL technology that can cover distances MUCH faster than Federstion ships. However, these are also shown to need a decent amount of "spool up" time and require extremely complex calculations to be done. Warp, on the other hand, seems to be something that can be engaged pretty much at the drop of a hat (barring ship damage or environmental considerations). In a battle, I think Voyager would be much more capable of executing a strategic retreat, if necessary, than either the Galactica or Star Wars ships.
There's always talk about tens of thousands of kilometer ranges in Star Trek, but we always see combat take place at on-top-of-each other distances ... just like in BSG.
@@dmacbass It’s so the audience can actually see the battle on screen without the ships being tiny dots off in the distance. Honestly, the Galactica is probably also capable of engaging from farther out than is shown on screen. But again, it’s for the audience’s sake that ships are usually shown in such close proximity. However, bullets and other projectile weapons are never going to outrange guided torpedoes and energy beams. They’re going to always be outranged, with no ability to maneuver in close, and no offensive/defensive counters for anything Voyager is bringing to the table. Galactica has an instantaneous FTL ability that will only be good at the outset of a surprise attack. Everything after that leans heavily in Voyager’s favor.
@@pokes404 I agree that no one should have to engage that close in any realistic scenario, but still, what you see is what you get.
As for the battle, tech obviously heavily favors Voyager. The only monkey wrench is that Trek ships are incredibly fragile by sci-fi standards while battlestars are the absolute definition of toughness. Whether those facts can give Galactica a better chance ... hard to say.
Harry must not have been working that day. He would have just beamed a torpedo on to there ship lol
As much as I love the Galactica, it would be devastated by voyager.
exactly, each torpedo has significantly more explosive damage than a nuclear device, volley of torpedos would take out the galactica
@@ascelot I don't believe that about torpedoes. We never see a remotely nuclear-yield explosion from them in the shows. Not even close.
@@kcdodger Discovery, Terrain flagship vs planet, matter anti-matter explosion based on real physics, yields more explosive force than seen on the show.
1.5kg matter and anti-matter is 1,712 times more energy than the one released by Little Boy.
@@ascelot It explodes however big the plot needs it. If photon torpedoes were REALLY that destructive, there never would have been an Enterprise past the first hit.
@KCDodger Photon torpedoes are anti-matter explosives. Each torpedo is a multi-megaton explosive. Voyager's first barrage of torpedoes would've wrecked Galactica.
So wanted to see the Vipers launch and go at Voyager.
That would be a complete waste of pilots.
Yes, where is the vipers
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Looking online and the 25 isoton yield of a ds9 era photon torpedo is just shy of 100 kilotons giving an average photon torpedo twice the yield of the battlestar nukes, in the show the Galactica took a lot of hits from 50kt nukes and took a beating each time, a handful of photon torpedo hits in the same area of the hull would punch through the armour and rip the Galactica apart, also the Galactica armour was built to take kinetic damage from rail guns and explosive damage from missiles and nukes, wouldn't phasers more or less melt through the armour pretty quickly?
Why didn't they launch Vipers?
LOL. Stay outside of Galactica's weapons range and beam a photon torpedo onto Galactica's bridge.
The reality is, given the technological disparity, I don't think the Galactica would stand a chance. Ship to ship, phasers and photon torpedoes would tear the Galactica apart in short order. It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I don't recall the Galactica having energy shields at all. Not to mention, we know the range of Federation phasers is around 300,000km by the TNG era and Galactica is a slow, lumbering hulk of a ship compared to most Federation ships. The Intrepid class excels in that area. The weapons employed by the Galactica probably couldn't even hit Voyager and even if they did, it's doubtful they could do any significant damage before Voyager destroyed the Galactica.
Fighters would be useless. We've seen Federation starships destroy multiple small craft of that sort simultaneously with ease. With their targeting systems, fighters are largely irrelevant in the Star Trek universe. They exist to perform niche roles, but they are not generally employed against capital ships for good reason. In my opinion the Galactica is among the most primitive hero ships out of the major sci-fi franchises and it would have virtually no chance against any Federation starship.
The video is pretty generous towards the Galactica here.
It would be interesting to see a battlestar take on a stardestroyer
My prediction is that a Star Destroyer would utterly wreck a Battlestar. Star Wars is a significant weight class in weaponry above even Star Trek, especially with Imperial ships.
@@EdricLysharae No, not consistently. Both Star Trek and Star wars have inconsistent firepower showings, but star treks is wider, and top end trek feats significantly exceed star wars by a very wide margin. TOS having enterprise tank a plant killing shot and DS9 The Die is cast showing 20 trek ships destroying 30% of a planets crust in a single volley goes way above any showing star wars has ever had minus hyperbolic statements and the death star. But both setting have shown wildly inconsistent showings making a firepower comparison between Star Trek and Star wars rather pointless because you can get wildly different results depending on whatever showings are cherry picked.
That being said, both Star Trek and Star wars should be significantly ahead of BSG, so the original point of an ISD being able to facewreck Galactica is still valid.
I would personally rate Star Trek TNG Era ships and Star Wars GCW era ships as being roughly comparable on a ton for ton basis in terms of power generation with maybe a marginal advantage to trek, but not big, with say a Galaxy being roughly in the ballpark of power generation as say an Acclamator or a Providence.
I think the origional battlestar would fare better seen as that one doesnt use projectile weapons, it uses energy weapons like star wars ones, if you compare the two battlestars on that note the origional one seems more advanced than the new one
Whats better though, lasers or missiles
Yay my request was granted! I thought Voyager would have done better tbh. In the show she had some pretty resilient shields. Still fun though! 💗
Galactica, a ship that would make the nx-01 look advanced with no shields and weapons travelling at sublight speeds against Voyager, a ship that took hundreds-thousands of nuclear bombs in the span of a few seconds before the shields gave out. The nukes were also going faster in time than voyager and yet the shields still stopped them somehow. This fight if lore accurate would go so hilariously one sided in voyager’s favour that the video would be boring. Still looks like a fun mod though.
Viewer Request: If you have Neelix's ship... Then he can be the villain. He and his many clones are piloting their clone ships and are after a flotilla of ptlomely class frieghters and you have to defend them. Pick whatever ship you want to do so, you get to blow up many Neelix
I like! Any opportunity to destroy Neelix's Plural. :-)
@@RetroBadgerGaming I'd say blowing up 25 Neelix's sounds fun. You can't let him take the gallons of Pepsi those frieghters are hauling
The problem with all of these cross-universe battles is the tactics. No way would a Starfleet ship fight at impulse speeds against something like the Galactica, which definitely does not have the ability to fight at FTL speeds (we've seen both photons and phasers work at Warp speeds). Hit and run attacks, the Picard Maneuver, even the transporters randomly beaming bombs into the Galactica (which doesn't have shields), would be absolutely devastating in most of these alternative universes (B5 and Star Wars ships can't fight at FTL speeds either).
I think this is one of those battles that don't add up. The shields on Voy give it a significant advantage; I'm pretty sure a micrometeor at near light speed packs more punch than a full broadside from Galactica. And her nukes wouldn't be effective- even with her shields down, the Enterprise tanked a nuke at point blank range and had some electrical issues (Balance of Terror).
I love me some BSG, but its just not a balanced fight- sure, the Bucket might be the Mike Tyson in this fight, but the other side is a freaking tank.
In the episode blink of an eye, voyager was pelted by hundreds or thousands of nuclear weapons going faster in time than voyager before failing. Galactica would be destroyed in a single phaser hit. But the mods wouldn’t be fun I’d lore accurate.
@@kellyevans3254 Not quite; just popped in the DVD, and it wasn't nukes, it was antimatter "torpedoes" (I mean, I'm really thinking they were more missiles), and it was a few dozen, not hundreds. The last shot was a tricobalt device- however, the entire time, the shields were up. (The tricobalt device took down the shields, shortly before the native's ships pulled Voyager from orbit.) So, the shields were doing the lifting.
Insofar as "a single phaser" taking down Galactica, depends on 1) how good the armor is at energy displacement, and 2) what era/type the phaser is. I mean, we saw the NX hit by phasers, and it wasn't a warship not did it have shields- and "polarized hull plating" only would go so far. (And when the NX "found" a Romulan mine, it was a 1/4 kiloton detonation; significantly less than the bombs dropped in WWII, and messed the ship up. Obvs, defensive tech got better by TOS, but a small nuke took out a chunk of the NX's hull (and from the damage radius, it was a little ways from the hull)- whereas direct phaser fire (on non-Armor hull- definitely far thinner than a battlestars) did far less damage.)
Again, the battlestar ain't gonna win- but its gonna tank a bit more damage (though not really able to return any) than "a single phaser".
It has been shown in canon both classic ST and ST TNG that missiles are no match for Starfleet ships. The computer can shoot them down long before they reach the starship. Interesting battle but with this glaring error.
Colonial battleships use mostly railguns btw
Without Vipers, Point Defense Cannons, or the fast-blink FTL, it was somewhat of a one-sided fight. But my goodness that thing could rain down fire huh?
I''d love to see him attempt to destroy the Lantean starship. (With it's shield bypassing drone weapons and impenetrable shields. And that's before the upgrades!)
Great battle but the Galactica wouldn't stand a chance against photon torpedoes without shields!
It would. Literally look at the miniseries to see how Galactica takes a nuke quite easily -- and even then, it was exaggerated.
@@InvincibleSol considering a photon torpedo is roughly over a 1000 times more powerful then a nuclear bomb and van distrupt subspace and causes major subsystem damage on a direct hull impact i am going to have to say the galactica wouldnt stand a chance.
No shields, just beam in torpedoes into critical areas and get the heck out of dodge.
Keep in mind that this is the Galactica we're talking about. Not the pegasus. (The Galactica's bigger and much angrier brother. Nuke spam for days bois)
Still gonna get folded in half by 1 photon torpedo but OK
I hope retro sees this but I doubt it. First, your theory about it folding under one torpedo is simply asinine. Battlestars are specifically designed to take heavy bombardment. A couple things that seem to be missing, according to canon the reason they relie so heavily on armor is the energy shield grid use by both the cylons and colonial navy worked so well energy weapons had little to no effect anymore, hence the reason they both used kinetic weapons. Next, let's say for a moment we completely disregard the story canon that attempts to connect original 1978 BSG, with 2004, There is yet another issue. BSG has a full on PDS system. Something Star Trek couldn't even get right in the most advanced showings. As slow as torpedoes are there's almost no chance they make it through the point defense flak from the BSG. Also, primary rail cannon range on a Battlestar is upwards of a third or more longer max accurate range of any Trek weapon we've seen this far. Meaning the Voyager, or really any of the Trek ships could have taken critical dmg before even getting into range to fire. Simply put, the person that designed and wrote the BSG mod was woefully uninformed, or just really hated BSG. And to another point made by a previous poster, BSG is a carrier, yet not once have we seen her launch all vipers and raptors.
@@timbarela7807 1: kinetic weaponry is woefully ineffective against deflector shielding
2: a photon torpedo in the star trek the next generation technical manual was stated to have 1.5 kilograms of antimatter. After energy conversion it is roughly equivalent to 66 megatons of tnt. For comparison the largest nuclear warhead ever detonated, the Tsar Bomba, sits at 50 Kt. However it is stated that the antimatter in the torpedo is mixed for weapons grade capacity, it would be comparable to an antimatter storage pod rupture containing 100 cubic meters of anti deuterium. Antimatter is usually stored on star ships as liquid. And 1 cubic meter of deuterium has a density of 160kg/cubic meter. If the comparison is indeed correct then it would be equivalent to a 690 gigatons
, or 690000 FUCKING megatons of tnt.
A photon torpedo can SNAP A CONTINENT IN HALF and you think a mere unshielded vessel would be able to withstand it?
Also torpedoes are equipped with deflector shielding for firing at warp. That means unless a flak shell strikes it directly, shrapnel won't do much against the slow flying menace.
@@timbarela7807 also, lasers. The so called energy weapon you mentioned just so happened to be laughed out of the window by the enterprise crew. Captain Picard even said to forget about shields. And yes,there is always a range problem. However, by the time they see a starfleet ship warp in using their DRADIS, it'll already be too late.
@@timbarela7807 and then there comes the phasers. Standard starfleet type 12 phaser arrays were stated to have 1000 terawatts(hours? Seconds?) of energy. So we'll do both calculations. First is the 1000 tw/h calculation. After conversion the megatons of tnt it is now 820 megatons.
And using the tw/s calculation its energy is
619502.868069 megatons. We'll assume tw/h calculation is accurate because well, just seems a bit unfair for the photon torpedoes.
"Two starships; only one will make it to Earth!"
If the BSG has no shields I would think your best weapon would be the transporter. Just beam some photon torpedos with a very short timer and blow up from the inside. Just need to locate main engine core of fuel storage area.
Well done again... I forgot what the Battlestar Galactica looked like no the new show but the older ones... Nice job Captain.. just a big hole on the front but Neelix will find parts.. eehhh!
again the fundamental flaw of battlestar is they don't have FTL sensors. any federation ship can maintain warp 1.2 and just flank them all day dodge weapons fire and keep with the flanking until battlestar blows up.
if that don't work beam torpedoes into her engine core and blow her up that way
The average fed vessel should be able to park there and take its entire weapon load without flinching given that they're using what looks like chemically propelled guns and a couple of low yield nuclear weapons
@@keyboardt8276 I mean 1 photon and they are toast
@@keyboardt8276 for some reason they make it seem like BSG is loaded with nukes and stuff and fed shields can't take nukes...or something like that.
@@cosmeticscameo8277 they shouldn't have been loaded with that many powerful nukes since the ones used by the Cylons to destroy colonial cities were considered a big deal, and those weren't all that impressive compared to photon torpedoes. Regarding the inability of fed shields to take nukes, photon torpedoes are effectively more powerful versions of nukes and shields withstand those fine. In the first strange new worlds episode the Enterprise was fired upon by plasma torpedoes which were probably plasma shaped charges powered by nukes, and their shields pretty much shrugged them off as well.
@@keyboardt8276 i saw that and then the helsm officer had to say IF our shields weren't up we'd be f'd.
Nelix is panicking! ..u, and our nose is ..Gone! :)
TOS era ship vs whatever ship you want would be cool
How about a Borg Tactical Sphere vs a Cylon Base Star?
Has anyone done a matchup of either Halo ships or warhammer40k vs Starfleet or star wars?
I wonder if Galactica's flak barrier would stop a photon torpedo?
Realistically, if traveling at show-not-lore speed..? Probably yeah.
Seriously. This mod MUST include the TOS battlestars with their Vipers from 1978's show, along with those Cylon basestars and their 3 passenger raiders
The only thing that should have done any damage to Voyager would have been nuclear ordinance, since in the series Galactica didn't have that much, I'm assuming that was the War Time configuration with more hull plating based on the texture. So maybe that had that much nuke power at that time.
Ol' DRADIS is accurate AF with those nukes, huh... Be glad they didn't send out Starbuck and Apollo you'd have all that plot armor to contend with!
Where were Galactica's vipers?
Oh come on. Galactica has no shields. A single photon torpedo would destroy it.
Ahhhhh...The ST Voyager is more advanced than anything that the rebooted BSG ever had...The only unusual thing about the Rebooted BSG was it's Armored frame designed to take a couple of low kt yield Nukes from fighter escorts....The Voyager is light-years ahead of the BSG (which ONLY had conventional based bullets, shells, rockets, and missiles...) Voyager had an advanced defense shield 🛡️...They would appear to be invulnerable as they dished out Futuristic destruction with their Phaser arrays and class 6 /10 PHOTON TORPEDOES....
The flak shield Galactica puts out should count as a shield. would have stopped some torpedos and some phasers though since its directional Voyager could just move around it.
Could have been 0 damage if you kept distance
And constantly moved OUT of the way of the missiles, however he kept stationary alot through the combat.
Years ago i use to mod the hell out of this game and play for hours, but that was with an old vista pc. Can you play and mod this game on a modern pc? Omg if you can im already imaging having huge battles and no choppy screen.😮
Admiral Adama to Apollo and Starbuck: Launch Colonial Vipers!
Janeway should try the Pegasus battlestar! Much more capable battleship ;)
God I love battlestars.... I would love to see voyager vs Pegasus
Pretty sure if you’d stayed at long range you’d have left with full hull integrity…?
Seems like voyager's computer would scan and find a weakness in just a few seconds. Then one photon would enter that weakness and explode the ship from the inside. That scenario seems more realistic.
Would have been easier if you had targetted their sensors instead of their port hangar bay. Also, would have been much harder if the BSG had or were able to launch vipers.
That was a good battle!
Ah but u didn’t use Voyagers ace tactic - the sight of Neelixs cooking!
Even with a handicap the old girl still put up a hell of a fight
Battlestars don't have guided projectiles, so this was not accurate in the slightest.
2:28 that's the secret weapon! Transmit Neelix's recipes. They'll become so sick that you'll have destroyed them by the time they relocate the command center to sickbay.
Haha. I'm beginning to think Neelix is some sort of Ironic Gift from Q.
you should've factored in the galatica having the vipers out also
That battle doesn't take into account Voyager could just attack BSG while at warp. Plus it has more powerful weapons. Shields.
LOL what a nerf job, true to the series itself. Voyager's photon torpedoes should have ended it in one salvo. The Galactica has zero beam weapon defenses and zero shields. Voyager ultragigaterawatt phaser array should have carved it like a roast. "Fire phasers ok coffee time and romance novel hour on holodeck gg all"
They're both trying to get to Earth. 🤣
Distance is your friend.
i read a interesting fanficiton whre voyager runs into galctican and due to the STRONG pesonalities shall we say involved on both sides shit almost got hot.
Ironically Janeway didn't think that the incredibly backward and fractious society of the colonials would be anything but a pain in the ass for the federation and FOR ONCE i cannot disagree.
I don't know who statted the Galactica for Bridge Commander, but it doesn't have anywhere near that much firepower. It has a ton of point defense, four cannons that might be able to dent a starship's shields (but probably not) and some missile silos it rarely ever fires. Voyager is at least a century ahead of Galactica tech wise, this should be a one-sided slaughter.
I hope retro sees this but I doubt it. First, your theory about it folding under one torpedo is simply asinine. Battlestars are specifically designed to take heavy bombardment. A couple things that seem to be missing, according to canon the reason they relie so heavily on armor is the energy shield grid use by both the cylons and colonial navy worked so well energy weapons had little to no effect anymore, hence the reason they both used kinetic weapons. Next, let's say for a moment we completely disregard the story canon that attempts to connect original 1978 BSG, with 2004, There is yet another issue. BSG has a full on PDS system. Something Star Trek couldn't even get right in the most advanced showings. As slow as torpedoes are there's almost no chance they make it through the point defense flak from the BSG. Also, primary rail cannon range on a Battlestar is upwards of a third or more longer max accurate range of any Trek weapon we've seen this far. Meaning the Voyager, or really any of the Trek ships could have taken critical dmg before even getting into range to fire. Simply put, the person that designed and wrote the BSG mod was woefully uninformed, or just really hated BSG. And to another point made by a previous poster, BSG is a carrier, yet not once have we seen her launch all vipers and raptors.
Trek ships phasers have 200,000km range, torpedoes have 4 million km. BGS would not have a chance. Phasers destroy metal by nadion particles. Vipers would be one shot by 1% phaser power. 100% phaser power can destroy cities. And a small fleet can liquify 30% of a plants Crust in minutes. Look up Die is Cast.
What is to Closers Battlestar Galactica is big ship.
No vipers? Kind of a major part of Galactica.
A colonial battlestar is a close in powerhouse
The AI can't utilize these ships as intended. Not all of Galactica's weapons were used. Looks like only the missiles were used. While its nukes and close-range guns were not, including the Vipers. These scenarios need to be PvP.
And then Cylons arrived and took control of USS Voyager.
🤣
There is no BSG would be even remotely comparable to Trek level of technology.
Also, whoever thought that missiles would ever pose a threat? They are slow moving, easy to shoot down, etc.
Tactical nukes are something even the TOS Enterprise can shrug off without shields.
Photon torpedoes travel at a significant fraction of C and carry heavy firepower (we've seen evidence of hundreds of megatons to dozens of gigatons range).
BSG wouldn't stand a chance.
Get into behind her in her baffles and you can have you way with Galactica.
Use Excalibur Class Refit against enterprise g
Hate to say it I've been a mega fan of BSG since 1978 voyager could slice up that Galactica like a pork roast. Like a jedi through 6 standard battle dorids
Against the Galactica's class of ship stay far and stay below for the most part. Less guns or armor, and most of the galacticas guns are flak for close up or defense against missiles
its a strange situation, because bsg tech is really old... they still use guns, not even rail guns... just guns. missile, conventional and nuclear. and their speeds are very g limited. same with their fighters.
against star trek, the expanse and such, where distances are often as far as 40,000 km, you need weapon that travel at high fractions of the speed of light. really, a starship could sit at 20,000km out and pound it with phasers. or 40k out and torpedoes.
its one of those strange "faction" issues.
Galactica would have decimated Voyager in reality. They have nukes and fighters, …unless Voyager has some tricobalt devices onboard.
But then again, Voyager has shields…
i so hate it when people try to compare APPLES to ORANGES;
a 'rational' comparison of tech capabilities as depicted in their respective franchises will show that BSGalactica gets its @$$ handed to it; rail guns - stopped by navigational deflector, nuclear warheads - stopped by standard shields. on the FLIP SIDE Galactica has no answer to the photon torpedo, the transporter, or tractor beam any Starfleet ship can attack at faster than light speed which would render Galactica UNABLE TO EVEN TARGET let alone HIT the Starfleet Vessel. Galactica losses badly against the TOS Enterprise and were talking about Voyager here. so you want to go on about all the extra armor... then you also need to discus Starfleet sensors and the ability to precision strike
the only way Galactica even comes close is because the game parameters are set to let it
Uss voyager vs star destroyer
Ah ! Not so sure. The Galactica is a slugger at short range - long range. A different matter.
But the REAL QUESTION IS Can the Cylons Hack the Borg?!?!
Zero chance
Or would the Borg let them hack them then use that connection to force the Hive mind onto that ship. Would end up being full cyber warfare no other weapons fired.
Hit at range and dodge incoming nukes your win easily .
She didn't use her fighters. Apollo would probably crushed that ship.
They'd be one shot by voyager
The Battlestar Galactica betta has no chance against Star Trek ships. Battlestar Galactica alpha will definitely give it a better fight either Galactica I can only say one thing where are the fighters where are the vipers half the battle strength of a Galactica class vessel is fighter squadrons they may only care in one pair of pulse lasers but they carry four missiles each
You deserved to lose this fight. Shameful.