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Honestly, Batman mythos have changed radically when this show came out like there was no Red Hood or Damian at the time. I think full-on reboot will be justified. It would be interesting instead of having old Bruce Wayne that you get old Damian Wayne. He has failed the legacy of Batman, but Terry takes the mantle. I wondered what their dynamic would be.
I love your points on 'Terminal' Wilson; prior to Joker resurrecting himself(for lack of better, non-spoiler term), if anyone had the intelligence to solidify the Jokerz from a broad teenage counter-culture into an organized, anarcho-crime syndicate, it'd've been him.
Your ideas are really interesting. I didn’t even remember Terminal. I would really love to see you write a video of an episode or even a season with him as the antagonist.
Thanks for the great video! I’d always hoped Terminal would return and your take is fantastic. For a season 3 villain I would recommend bringing the revelations of Epilogue forward with 1 big difference: Waller doesn’t create Terry. Waller still tries to engineer a new Batman by creating & then orphaning a genetic son of Bruce Wayne but it backfires horribly when Waller’s proto-Batman realizes that his parents were killed by the government. He becomes the Beyond version of the anti-Batman Wrath and is determined to avenge his parents by destroying the government, Gotham and the Batman legacy. Terry must battle a villain who is a direct result of trying to create a Batman successor who is a direct copy of Batman.
Great video. I completely agree. I recently rewatched the series and found the episodes to have great outlining themes and characters but the episodes felt shallow and repetitive. Villians do bad, Batman shows up and beats them up to heavy rock. Rinse and repeat. Dana is a good example of the untapped potential. She got angry at Terry for, seemingly, constantly disappearing and abandoning her. But there was never any lasting repercussions. Their entire relationship wasn't all clear and didn't seem real. While BTAS is a joy, Beyond can become a slog to get through. Return of the Joker is phenomenal and on completely different level to the Beyond series.
In the comic Danna(terry's girlfriend)'s brother became the new leader uniting all of the Jokerz into 1 massive attack on Neo Gotham. ironically after he died his kidney was donated to Bruce with Danna's family permission(as thanks for Bruce saving them from him)
I always thought the Jokerz should have played a bigger role in the original show like at first have a bunch of teenagers act up using the joker as symbol for rebellion and all that stuff and until terminal shows up and takes control from their wanna be joker leader who can also play an important role maybe have him become an anti-villain and help Terry defeat terminal while diving in to him as a character, and why he did, and how he ended up in that position I just felt like it was a miss opportunity and a great parallel to Batman and Joker’s successors.
As much as I also would have loved it if Batman Beyond was a more serious dark cyberpunk show with season story arcs, it still came out at a time where TV didn't really do season story arcs that much because the goal was hitting 52 episodes and then collecting syndication money
I honestly think someone like Robert Vance would fit perfectly as the main villain for Season 3 maybe something with him shutting down all the cities power off similar to something in The Comic Zero Yero or No Man’s Land anyway he would try to influence/manipulate new villains into attacking Batman Beyond, his crew and the survivors of the outage, I think the whole season would combined into returning characters, heros, villains, or whoever maybe somehow one of villains switches sides to helps civilians to safety while they fight off Robert’s tech but somehow down the line they would find a way to revert his tech and shut him down to save the city (there’s like a whole bunch of other stuff I would include but I’m just brainstorming tbh)
I love your ideas for the seasons 1-2 big bads and I have a suggestion for a possible season 3 main villain. The season 3 two parter “The Call” had the perfect blueprint for what could have been the season’s arc. At the start of the season, the Justice League should be introduced to Batman almost the exact same way it played out in the show but save the possible “traitor” plot for another episode. The Justice League members don’t have to appear in every episode but at least one of them should appear every now and then. I think this season could have been like the last season of the 2004 The Batman series where the Justice League get major appearances. Let’s say half the League (Superman, Aquagirl, and Kai-Ro) immediately make friends with Terry while the other half (Big Barda, Warhawk, and Micron) don’t trust him and think he shouldn’t be in the League. Then in the middle of the season Micron gets taken out of commission by a Starro infected Superman and the hunt for a possible traitor leads Big Barda and Warhawk to suspect Terry while the Superman (whenever he can somewhat regain control) backs up Terry and defends him. Then the season finale can be a two parter where the rest of it plays out like it did on the show.
Damn that was deep and epic. 👏🏽 Just don’t know if I would have ended Blight in season 1. A visual of Barbara Gordon holding him in a containment unit and needing him for help against his son always intrigued me. He could be a Hannibal lector figure
I loved this. Making points that are no short of excellent! However.. Batman TAS wasn’t made for kids. It was made to fit the kid friendly limitations at the time. That’s where its authenticity comes from.
So, you mentioned not having an idea for season 3's overarching villain. I would suggest Xander for a few reasons. 1) even the writers themselves didn't like how that episode turned out, pointing out that they set him up as nuanced foil to Terry, only to turn him into a damn dinosaur in part 2. 2) Kobra keep appearing throughout the show, even being the villains of the last episode. Having Xander as their figurehead would make them less generic. 3) it sets up an interesting theme for the season, legacy as a corruptive force. I would have Terry learn more about why the Bat Family fell apart this season, as well as move some other episodes around, namely the Ra's al Ghul episode. I would also have 10 be a far more common recurring character, furthering that theme. Maybe the season could culminate in an all out war between factions, as the remnants of the Royal Flush Gang, the League of Shadows, and Kobra all fight for the soul of Gotham, with Terry caught in the middle.
My untapped potential is with the character Max. They could have done much more with that character. She was definitely a part of what had become a trio. I sorry if I give offense here-- but I think that you want the series to be something else, while I want more out of what it was. Sorry.
🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏 if WB ever decides to make a new Batman Beyond show or movie franchise, you must fight tooth and nail to be in charge and for god sakes don’t let WB boss you around and stop you from doing your job and making decisions like they do writers and directors of cinematic movies
To be honest, I heartily agree with the common consensus that Batman Beyond's weakest area is its villains. For one, the series is incredible averse to properly developing its villains over multiple episodes; the most iconic ones like Shriek, Blight, Spellbinder and Inque only appeared about three times each and no other villain appeared more than twice. For another, whilst I can applaud the spirit behind the developers wanting to avoid the road of "bad rehashes of original villains" direction that the comparable Spider-Man 2099 had gone down, a lot of their villains were honestly rather forgettable at best, and felt like thinly veiled pastiches of Spider-Man villains at worse - look at Stalker (Kraven) and Spellbinder (Mysterio), and even Inque invites comparisons to a sexy female version of Venom. I can understand the desire to avoid leaning too heavily on the original villainous cast, but it really strains belief that the only lasting impact of Batman's original rogues gallery was a lame and ineffectual street gang that styled itself after the Joker. There are ways to do the "villainous legacy character" and make them interesting! Another problem that added to the rather forgettable nature of most of the Beyond villains was that the series was surprisingly unwilling to explore the fantastical elements of the setting. This series is supposed to be, what, twenty-thirty years after the events of Justice League? Where are the supervillains? Most of Terry's rogues are just fairly generic thugs and toughs; there's comparatively few metas, cyborgs or mutates when realistically they should be proliferating like wildfire. Like, the Splicing storyline; there is so much potential here to set up a universal backstory for new rogues, rivals or even allies that Terry could have gained as he became more notorious as the new Batman, and instead it just gets abandoned after a single episode. All in all... as creative as this show tried to be, it definitely did not live up to its villainous potential.
I'm only 7 minutes in where you're clarifying you do still like the show and I think a good way to put it is that from a certain point of view you can't really be disappointed by something you dislike.
For a season 3 antagonist you could make the entire family of card focusing on 10 the overarching villians have them be a representation of what family is when it isn't encouraging and uplifting as opposed to terry who's family lifts him up and encourages him ten's family could drag her down be cruel and spiteful discouraging her and reminding her over and over she is nothing without them and that she can only matter with them as a opposed to Terry's who remind him he is more than them and his own person ten feels she only has value as 10 this could even work in hers and Terry's relationship either as a whole love story or a friendship with terry trying to give her the lessons he got and being the support her family doesn't offer only for this to either not work cause the wound and damage is too deep or it does work and leads to her sacrificing herself to save Terry in the final episode acting as a reminder that people change diswaying Bruce's notion in the beginning episode how at the root of people is selfishness with Terry disagreeing claiming it's goodness that's at the roote of people and Bruce could have a line saying Terry is too much like Clark or something along those lines
I would say pull a short story from the comics and makes season 3 a mystery story that would following "new" Batman trying to find The Mastermind behind all of the crime that's been going on in Gotham through out season 3. that would end up coalescing to a big reveal that The Mastermind, behind all of crime. that been happened in Gotham. was not caused by man, but caused by an ai. a super AI the ai of Gotham City, and the Central computer of this ai would be the bat caves computer.
They didn't just date. He slept with her. This cause a lot of tension between her and Nightwing as she carried Dick child and lost it trying to stop a mugging where she got stab.
Imagine Terry as Dick Grayson's grandson. Due to Batman estranging the Bat family, Dick becomes enraged and completely disowns Bruce from his life. For some reason Dick refuses to let his daughter return to Gotham, although she feels strangely attracted to it, so eventually she runs away. At Gotham, she knows nothing about her grandfather or her father as Nightwing, and uncle as Robin. She meets and marries Warren McGinnis and they have two sons. Although living in Gotham she and Bruce never meet until The first episode of Batman Beyond happens and Terry gets recruited as the new Batman. She still knows nothing about Bruce and when Terry goes to check his blood, instead of Bruce, he finds Dick Grayson as his grandfather, he is outraged at his mother and at Bruce but he gains closure from Nightwing instead of Amanda Waller.
considering that we never truly get any information on his mothers family i claim this as part of my headcanon. We don't know what happend to Nightwing since he's never spoken about so that's a good story and fills out some blank spots.
@@DioBrandoWRYYYYYY The villains don't have to be overly dark either. Here is a easy villian you can make Batman sees Riddles left everwere old Batman says Riddler is dead And then the Clue master says I was inspired by the Riddler to be like him. Legacy is a good motive for a hero or Villain if Batman can inspire Batman Beyond Joker and the others can inspire people
@@daraghokane4236 true, but the thing is Joker was a symbol of terror and anarchy that the whole city feared and he was the one that Batman fought the most and had the most difficulty with. Riddler was this OCD guy who would annoy people, Penguin and Two Face end up just being gang leaders who were less feared than Joker etc. I guess there'd be some like Scarecrow that might have some value in being emulated but still.
Wow I never realized how much they could have done with Terminal and as much as I love Return of the Joker like I love Return of the Joker but instead of making a whole movie about the Joker's return maybe they should have done a movie about Terminal's return and him facing Batman Beyond again more like his rising version of the Joker .
That's not what Batman Beyond Return Joker means. A lot of people point out that the movie shows that Terry isn't Bruce. He doesn't have connections to the Joker, like how Terry mocks him because he isn't Bruce. The whole point is that Terry is his own Batman.
Vol 3 of the batman beyond the tie-in comic was darker like the return of the joker. Got hush beyond, catwoman beyond and Terry got a true joker rival in his girlfriend older brother. Skip vol 4 it bad it like a time displaced adult Tim drake from the new 52 reboot is batman beyond. Vol 5 batman beyond comic is a full reboot setup in the possible future of main dc comic get to see a whole batman beyond family with a robin beyond plus Batgirl and batwoman beyond
It had some good ideas but have multiple future versions of Batman’s rogues galleries shows lack of creativity. Having Jokerz is enough, there doesn’t need to be Batman beyond, catwoman beyond, hush beyond, 2 face beyond etc
My untapped potential for Batman Beyond is having Helena Wayne in the show and bring a few more old Batman villains like Penguin, Killer Croc and Clayface for the Penguin I would have him take over Terry’s body and call the episode “The wrong Terry” as a parody of Wallace and Grommet the wrong trousers and I thought a movie called Batman Beyond: the House of Wayne.
God, I wish they brought Helena Wayne in the show. It will be interesting how Bruce reacts that Selena had a child of him. She could be anti hero and conflict with Terry and Bruce on her views of justice. They had some older villains return like Mr. Freeze, Bane, Ras, and obviously Joker. I could see Two Face comeback and try to reform himself to society, but he went back evil like in Dark Knight Returns. It also will be cool if Croc runs young gangs that splice themselves into crocs. It will also be cool if Clayface and Inque are in a relationship because they understand each other due to how similar their power are. But I could see Clayface backstab her.
@@brucebanana4486well actually I making her more like Bruce where she is no nonsense person and that she saw Terry as this punk who didn’t earned anything and would explain why Bruce was standing outside his house when Terry was chased by the Jokerz
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00:00 [ Before ]
08:47 The Twilight Years of the Dark Knight
13:37 The Blight of Ego in Derek Powers
19:36 The Terminal Velocity of Carter Wilson
26:45 Serum Lake and the Batman Beyond comics
31:36 Going Beyond Fear with Terry McGinnis
41:10 [ Beyond ]
And here's the full list of songs used in this video, all from Epidemic Sound:
docs.google.com/document/d/1yZO09MqDJRtwBoDEFXbErMP3hODgPwfo7ALpz313LqQ/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for having me, I always appreciate the opportunity to talk about Batman Beyond and the tie-in comics!
Honestly, Batman mythos have changed radically when this show came out like there was no Red Hood or Damian at the time.
I think full-on reboot will be justified. It would be interesting instead of having old Bruce Wayne that you get old Damian Wayne. He has failed the legacy of Batman, but Terry takes the mantle. I wondered what their dynamic would be.
Read Batman Rebirth. It's pretty solid and answers your questions
This guy means beatman beyond rebirth. Also Batman #700 by grant morrison has this sorta idea in time and the Batman
I wish we got to see more of Neo Gotham especially in modern day animated movies. I would love to see what other technology could be explored
I love your points on 'Terminal' Wilson; prior to Joker resurrecting himself(for lack of better, non-spoiler term), if anyone had the intelligence to solidify the Jokerz from a broad teenage counter-culture into an organized, anarcho-crime syndicate, it'd've been him.
Your ideas are really interesting. I didn’t even remember Terminal. I would really love to see you write a video of an episode or even a season with him as the antagonist.
Great essay. I do like the show, but I really enjoyed the serious thoughts and themes you had interwoven. Thank you.
9:30 Wouldn't say Barbara is "adopted" when her own father has been shown to still be around in the Batman TAS/TNBA
Thanks for the great video! I’d always hoped Terminal would return and your take is fantastic. For a season 3 villain I would recommend bringing the revelations of Epilogue forward with 1 big difference: Waller doesn’t create Terry. Waller still tries to engineer a new Batman by creating & then orphaning a genetic son of Bruce Wayne but it backfires horribly when Waller’s proto-Batman realizes that his parents were killed by the government. He becomes the Beyond version of the anti-Batman Wrath and is determined to avenge his parents by destroying the government, Gotham and the Batman legacy. Terry must battle a villain who is a direct result of trying to create a Batman successor who is a direct copy of Batman.
Great video. I completely agree. I recently rewatched the series and found the episodes to have great outlining themes and characters but the episodes felt shallow and repetitive. Villians do bad, Batman shows up and beats them up to heavy rock. Rinse and repeat.
Dana is a good example of the untapped potential. She got angry at Terry for, seemingly, constantly disappearing and abandoning her. But there was never any lasting repercussions. Their entire relationship wasn't all clear and didn't seem real.
While BTAS is a joy, Beyond can become a slog to get through. Return of the Joker is phenomenal and on completely different level to the Beyond series.
In the comic Danna(terry's girlfriend)'s brother became the new leader uniting all of the Jokerz into 1 massive attack on Neo Gotham. ironically after he died his kidney was donated to Bruce with Danna's family permission(as thanks for Bruce saving them from him)
I always thought the Jokerz should have played a bigger role in the original show like at first have a bunch of teenagers act up using the joker as symbol for rebellion and all that stuff and until terminal shows up and takes control from their wanna be joker leader who can also play an important role maybe have him become an anti-villain and help Terry defeat terminal while diving in to him as a character, and why he did, and how he ended up in that position I just felt like it was a miss opportunity and a great parallel to Batman and Joker’s successors.
As much as I also would have loved it if Batman Beyond was a more serious dark cyberpunk show with season story arcs, it still came out at a time where TV didn't really do season story arcs that much because the goal was hitting 52 episodes and then collecting syndication money
This was a great video. Illustrated my relationship with Batman and this show.
I honestly think someone like Robert Vance would fit perfectly as the main villain for Season 3 maybe something with him shutting down all the cities power off similar to something in The Comic Zero Yero or No Man’s Land anyway he would try to influence/manipulate new villains into attacking Batman Beyond, his crew and the survivors of the outage, I think the whole season would combined into returning characters, heros, villains, or whoever maybe somehow one of villains switches sides to helps civilians to safety while they fight off Robert’s tech but somehow down the line they would find a way to revert his tech and shut him down to save the city (there’s like a whole bunch of other stuff I would include but I’m just brainstorming tbh)
I love your ideas for the seasons 1-2 big bads and I have a suggestion for a possible season 3 main villain. The season 3 two parter “The Call” had the perfect blueprint for what could have been the season’s arc. At the start of the season, the Justice League should be introduced to Batman almost the exact same way it played out in the show but save the possible “traitor” plot for another episode. The Justice League members don’t have to appear in every episode but at least one of them should appear every now and then. I think this season could have been like the last season of the 2004 The Batman series where the Justice League get major appearances. Let’s say half the League (Superman, Aquagirl, and Kai-Ro) immediately make friends with Terry while the other half (Big Barda, Warhawk, and Micron) don’t trust him and think he shouldn’t be in the League. Then in the middle of the season Micron gets taken out of commission by a Starro infected Superman and the hunt for a possible traitor leads Big Barda and Warhawk to suspect Terry while the Superman (whenever he can somewhat regain control) backs up Terry and defends him. Then the season finale can be a two parter where the rest of it plays out like it did on the show.
Damn that was deep and epic. 👏🏽
Just don’t know if I would have ended Blight in season 1. A visual of Barbara Gordon holding him in a containment unit and needing him for help against his son always intrigued me. He could be a Hannibal lector figure
I loved this. Making points that are no short of excellent! However.. Batman TAS wasn’t made for kids. It was made to fit the kid friendly limitations at the time. That’s where its authenticity comes from.
So, you mentioned not having an idea for season 3's overarching villain. I would suggest Xander for a few reasons. 1) even the writers themselves didn't like how that episode turned out, pointing out that they set him up as nuanced foil to Terry, only to turn him into a damn dinosaur in part 2. 2) Kobra keep appearing throughout the show, even being the villains of the last episode. Having Xander as their figurehead would make them less generic. 3) it sets up an interesting theme for the season, legacy as a corruptive force. I would have Terry learn more about why the Bat Family fell apart this season, as well as move some other episodes around, namely the Ra's al Ghul episode. I would also have 10 be a far more common recurring character, furthering that theme. Maybe the season could culminate in an all out war between factions, as the remnants of the Royal Flush Gang, the League of Shadows, and Kobra all fight for the soul of Gotham, with Terry caught in the middle.
Anyone else notice how at time index 13:14 that the shadow on Bruce's face looks like the shape of his mask?
My untapped potential is with the character Max. They could have done much more with that character. She was definitely a part of what had become a trio.
I sorry if I give offense here-- but I think that you want the series to be something else, while I want more out of what it was. Sorry.
I remember watching BatMan Beyond when it first aired in 1999 I was 12 years old several episodes scarred me but in a good way.
🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏🙌👏 if WB ever decides to make a new Batman Beyond show or movie franchise, you must fight tooth and nail to be in charge and for god sakes don’t let WB boss you around and stop you from doing your job and making decisions like they do writers and directors of cinematic movies
To be honest, I heartily agree with the common consensus that Batman Beyond's weakest area is its villains. For one, the series is incredible averse to properly developing its villains over multiple episodes; the most iconic ones like Shriek, Blight, Spellbinder and Inque only appeared about three times each and no other villain appeared more than twice. For another, whilst I can applaud the spirit behind the developers wanting to avoid the road of "bad rehashes of original villains" direction that the comparable Spider-Man 2099 had gone down, a lot of their villains were honestly rather forgettable at best, and felt like thinly veiled pastiches of Spider-Man villains at worse - look at Stalker (Kraven) and Spellbinder (Mysterio), and even Inque invites comparisons to a sexy female version of Venom. I can understand the desire to avoid leaning too heavily on the original villainous cast, but it really strains belief that the only lasting impact of Batman's original rogues gallery was a lame and ineffectual street gang that styled itself after the Joker. There are ways to do the "villainous legacy character" and make them interesting! Another problem that added to the rather forgettable nature of most of the Beyond villains was that the series was surprisingly unwilling to explore the fantastical elements of the setting. This series is supposed to be, what, twenty-thirty years after the events of Justice League? Where are the supervillains? Most of Terry's rogues are just fairly generic thugs and toughs; there's comparatively few metas, cyborgs or mutates when realistically they should be proliferating like wildfire. Like, the Splicing storyline; there is so much potential here to set up a universal backstory for new rogues, rivals or even allies that Terry could have gained as he became more notorious as the new Batman, and instead it just gets abandoned after a single episode. All in all... as creative as this show tried to be, it definitely did not live up to its villainous potential.
I'm only 7 minutes in where you're clarifying you do still like the show and I think a good way to put it is that from a certain point of view you can't really be disappointed by something you dislike.
For a season 3 antagonist you could make the entire family of card focusing on 10 the overarching villians have them be a representation of what family is when it isn't encouraging and uplifting as opposed to terry who's family lifts him up and encourages him ten's family could drag her down be cruel and spiteful discouraging her and reminding her over and over she is nothing without them and that she can only matter with them as a opposed to Terry's who remind him he is more than them and his own person ten feels she only has value as 10 this could even work in hers and Terry's relationship either as a whole love story or a friendship with terry trying to give her the lessons he got and being the support her family doesn't offer only for this to either not work cause the wound and damage is too deep or it does work and leads to her sacrificing herself to save Terry in the final episode acting as a reminder that people change diswaying Bruce's notion in the beginning episode how at the root of people is selfishness with Terry disagreeing claiming it's goodness that's at the roote of people and Bruce could have a line saying Terry is too much like Clark or something along those lines
6:49 aight bro. i can tell you didnt really watch it
I would say pull a short story from the comics and makes season 3 a mystery story that would following "new" Batman trying to find The Mastermind behind all of the crime that's been going on in Gotham through out season 3. that would end up coalescing to a big reveal that The Mastermind, behind all of crime. that been happened in Gotham. was not caused by man, but caused by an ai. a super AI the ai of Gotham City, and the Central computer of this ai would be the bat caves computer.
They didn't just date. He slept with her. This cause a lot of tension between her and Nightwing as she carried Dick child and lost it trying to stop a mugging where she got stab.
Imagine Terry as Dick Grayson's grandson. Due to Batman estranging the Bat family, Dick becomes enraged and completely disowns Bruce from his life. For some reason Dick refuses to let his daughter return to Gotham, although she feels strangely attracted to it, so eventually she runs away. At Gotham, she knows nothing about her grandfather or her father as Nightwing, and uncle as Robin. She meets and marries Warren McGinnis and they have two sons. Although living in Gotham she and Bruce never meet until The first episode of Batman Beyond happens and Terry gets recruited as the new Batman. She still knows nothing about Bruce and when Terry goes to check his blood, instead of Bruce, he finds Dick Grayson as his grandfather, he is outraged at his mother and at Bruce but he gains closure from Nightwing instead of Amanda Waller.
considering that we never truly get any information on his mothers family i claim this as part of my headcanon. We don't know what happend to Nightwing since he's never spoken about so that's a good story and fills out some blank spots.
Your take is right it could've been so much better but we all gotta remember this was an kid show so they couldn't go to deep on the villains
except that it's the sequel to Batman TAS, which was famous for going in deep on the psyches of the villains
@@DioBrandoWRYYYYYY The villains don't have to be overly dark either. Here is a easy villian you can make Batman sees Riddles left everwere old Batman says Riddler is dead And then the Clue master says I was inspired by the Riddler to be like him. Legacy is a good motive for a hero or Villain if Batman can inspire Batman Beyond Joker and the others can inspire people
@@daraghokane4236 true, but the thing is Joker was a symbol of terror and anarchy that the whole city feared and he was the one that Batman fought the most and had the most difficulty with. Riddler was this OCD guy who would annoy people, Penguin and Two Face end up just being gang leaders who were less feared than Joker etc. I guess there'd be some like Scarecrow that might have some value in being emulated but still.
Wow I never realized how much they could have done with Terminal and as much as I love Return of the Joker like I love Return of the Joker but instead of making a whole movie about the Joker's return maybe they should have done a movie about Terminal's return and him facing Batman Beyond again more like his rising version of the Joker .
Interesting idea but it doesn’t sound as thematically satisfying as what we got
@@autobotproductions1244 yeah true , what I said sounds good on paper but it probably wouldn't be a good execution for a actual movie.
@@roderick8167 maybe an arc on the show at least
@@autobotproductions1244 yeah this would have been a good arc for the show
That's not what Batman Beyond Return Joker means.
A lot of people point out that the movie shows that Terry isn't Bruce. He doesn't have connections to the Joker, like how Terry mocks him because he isn't Bruce. The whole point is that Terry is his own Batman.
Hypeee.
Vol 3 of the batman beyond the tie-in comic was darker like the return of the joker. Got hush beyond, catwoman beyond and Terry got a true joker rival in his girlfriend older brother. Skip vol 4 it bad it like a time displaced adult Tim drake from the new 52 reboot is batman beyond. Vol 5 batman beyond comic is a full reboot setup in the possible future of main dc comic get to see a whole batman beyond family with a robin beyond plus Batgirl and batwoman beyond
It had some good ideas but have multiple future versions of Batman’s rogues galleries shows lack of creativity. Having Jokerz is enough, there doesn’t need to be Batman beyond, catwoman beyond, hush beyond, 2 face beyond etc
TARRY IS BEST BATMAN 2ND BEST BATFAM ONLY TO NIGHTWING
the show did need to be flused out and given more
My untapped potential for Batman Beyond is having Helena Wayne in the show and bring a few more old Batman villains like Penguin, Killer Croc and Clayface for the Penguin I would have him take over Terry’s body and call the episode “The wrong Terry” as a parody of Wallace and Grommet the wrong trousers and I thought a movie called Batman Beyond: the House of Wayne.
God, I wish they brought Helena Wayne in the show. It will be interesting how Bruce reacts that Selena had a child of him. She could be anti hero and conflict with Terry and Bruce on her views of justice.
They had some older villains return like Mr. Freeze, Bane, Ras, and obviously Joker. I could see Two Face comeback and try to reform himself to society, but he went back evil like in Dark Knight Returns.
It also will be cool if Croc runs young gangs that splice themselves into crocs.
It will also be cool if Clayface and Inque are in a relationship because they understand each other due to how similar their power are. But I could see Clayface backstab her.
@@brucebanana4486well actually I making her more like Bruce where she is no nonsense person and that she saw Terry as this punk who didn’t earned anything and would explain why Bruce was standing outside his house when Terry was chased by the Jokerz
In fairness most children cant be trusted.
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Dude Barbara isn’t a granddaughter to Bruce get over yourself! They dated! Geez! please stick to canon! 🙄🙄🙄🙄