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Considering that for the whole hour+ duration of this video I was entertained the whole time, it goes to show just how good you did. The fact that you’re still in high school makes this even better, keep it up man!
A fun fact about the first omnidroid Mr. Incredible fights: a key reason why Bob is able to defeat is is because it wasn’t initially meant to fight him, it was meant to fight Frozone. When Mirage is spying on Bob and Frozone in the car, that was Syndrome spying on Frozone as his next target, but then his plans change once they spy Bob in the car. Its why the first Omnidroid fought Bob in an active volcano; it was programmed with Frozone’s weaknesses in mind.
@@agoblintrippingonhorrordus145 Just you wait for season 2. Omni-man is great in the comics and I really wonder how they are gonna handle him in the rest of the show.
Homelander can’t process or understand why his he has Emotions that’s his biggest problem and they confirmed this season it was designed for him to be insecure and wanting for acceptance
I love how Syndrome designed a robot with adaptive combat AI but forgot to disable it learning or programming it so that it would never seek to kill him. He literally pulled a Plankton from SpongeBob SquarePants Battle for Bikini Bottom with the robot.
It's really a clairvoyant writing decision lol. When the US military wa testing AI drones in simulations the drone decided to kill the radio tower controlling it because the human operator was stopping it from optimally achieving its mission. When they disincentivized killing the tower, it killed the operator. Only a simulation but still concerning lol
Or Demolition Man. The who who revived (villain) Simon Phoenix in the future made it impossible to turn by programming in that he is unable to kill his beneficiary. But he forgot to do the same with the minions. So all Phoenix does is give his gun to one of his henchmen "kill him"
The Sentinels are the same way in X-Men and the Spider Slayer from Spider-Man let's not forget the Androids from Dragon Ball Z and Metallo from Superman Metallo is the one with the Kryptonite battery all those things were literally created to kill their respective Heroes in each of those series
Injustice Superman is basically the moral opposite of Kingdom Come Superman. Both versions have everything they love taken away because of Joker, but while Superman went insane with grief, KC Supes kept his resolve and grieves Lois's death pretty normally.
You also have to take into consideration that Injustice Superman is not the main Superman. He's more flawed. For example, Injustice Superman selfishly low key used his powers to get a football scholarship. The original Superman was honest enough to give up on football when his powers appeared.
@@newguy90 oh shit, that reminds me of the S4 episode of Smallville "Recruit" where the freak of the week, who can induce paralysis via touch, is a walking warning on what Clark would need to do if he used his powers for that football scholarship
@@newguy90 In further fairness (Haven't seen KC< to be fair) Injustice Superman killed Lois and (Indirectly) set the nuke off. That cannot be good for a man's mental state,
@@kazekamiha The fact that he killed Lois and blew up Metropolis by mistake and decided he needed to be MORE involved in people's lives instead of LESS for fear he could cause another disaster is probably the biggest reason to not view Injustice Superman as a normal Superman...or even a rational Superman, for that matter.
Injustice was basically written by someone who doesn't know Superman. Superman is a man with the power of a god, who has, over his long life, resisted every temptation to use that power for his own benefit at the expense of others. His moral code is as inflexible as Batman's. He is a good man. That said, killing the Joker is something that any good man would have done years ago. The blood of every person killed by the Joker is on Batman's hands because he refuses to do the right thing.
There are so many evil supermen at this point that the most subversive thing to do would be make an actual good guy Superman who makes it through a whole movie without killing anyone
@@kingzkb2195 I still to this day consider the Tick to be one of the best Superhero parodies ever made, whether it be the original comic series, the Animated series, the extremely short-lived show starring Patrick Warburton, and the Amazon show.
@rollerskdude of course I did, though I'm pretty sure that he only doesn't take a life in the first one. He kills the 3 kryptonians in 2 (with the exception of an obscure TV edit from the mid 80s where we see them arrested) and the cybernetic lady in 3
@@rollerskdude it's also up for debate, but he technically did kill some goons in Superman Returns by crushing them with giant crystals and throwing their corpses into space
I think you forgot to mention that Megamind was always a Hero, shoehorned into the role of villainy, not just by his upbringing, but by his peers in school. Metroman says as much when he gives him the pep talk, and this is shown especially, as even when he's in complete control, he never causes any terror directly.
Fun fact: if you pay attention on the background of Mark by Battle Beast, you can see something in the sky, and it's definitely not an art mistake. It's Omni man watching over his son
So many people have probably said this but I love all the little details about that through the show. He is constantly trying to convince himself and those around him. You can see how much he cared for his friends right after he killed them. You feel his rage when Debbie confronts him, and so much more - watching it a second time recontextualizes it, almost making Omniman the main character since so much of our focus is on him and his actions.
Heard a recent theory that makes sense. Nolan was happy on Earth with his family, and was almost glad that Mark didn't have powers. So, the theory is that Nolan was going to wait til his family had aged and died off then would've taken over the Earth since Viltrumites live for so long, but because Mark got his powers, he could no longer wait for them to age and die.
@@Exzimius idk how were you watching it, but Omniman literally tells it in one episode. He never wanted Mark to have powers and wanted to continue living life with his family.
I think one of the best takes on the Evil-Superman was in the Irredeemable series. Showing how he started as a genuine hero but was influenced by the world he kept saving into being evil... then the end of the series lost sight of that and got weird.
i agree! i think it comes down to the fact that the boys comic was so mean spirited to the genre. it was written by someone who hates superheroes. all the protagonists a)shoot up compound v in the beginning for shigs and b) kts in the end. the show is written by people who actually Like superheroes and writing nuance with the gross/gritty stuff 😂
Everyone’s seen PointlessHub’s TH-cam video about how the comics are bad and stuff and I agree the show was superior to the comics, but the comics definitely deserve more credit than to be brushed off as edgy garbage. It’s a genuinely good story and most of the show is still rooted in a lot of the plot-lines from the comics. I’m really happy I decided to give the comic a chance, if I’d have listened to that video I would’ve missed out on a fun time. It deserves criticism for how needlessly excessive it can be at times, but it’s a good Fuckin read and I feel like anyone who says it lacks depth hasn’t read it and or is just easily offended.
In college i wrote a paper about how Hancock and Homelander are complete opposites ends of the superman trope. One wants people to see him as a hero, but is terrible on the inside and doesnt have the traits of a hero, the other doesnt care what people think of him that much, but he still has the empathy needed to be a real hero. The comparison goes much deeper than that too but i'm not writing a whole essay here lol i just like thinking about characters like this in this way.
What’s important about Homelander and the plane is that we never see him *try* to save the people in the plane, he just *says* it’s impossible for him to do anything, because Homelander at that point in the story has completely given up on the idea of being an actual hero.
Absolutely love this. I'm glad that you're comfortable with straying away from your normal content, because this is a master class in video essays. Great job man.
Master class? That's meat riding my pal. The video is good. An insightful listen, but it's not masterful. However that doesn't mean I don't want to watch and support his climb towards masterful content.
Shame to leave out one of my favroite scenes from Homelander, the end of season 3 where he killd a guy and thinks "welp, there goes my reputation" but instead of that, everyone starts cheering for him, showing that he might not even lose everything he cares about if he goes insane
@@helloneighbour2408this Is a world where super heros are an everyday thing,and they believe Homelander is the best at protecting them so it's realistic
@@helloneighbour2408Wouldn’t say it’s unrealistic. Look at history(and even present day unfortunately) where public executions and killings were celebrated by crowds of people. Even more so if the one doing the killing is someone people idolized.
I think Omni-man's story had one of the best uses of Dramatic Irony I've ever seen. The show would seriously be so much worse if it didn't immediately show you the hidden conflict of the entire series!
Invincible makes good use of narrative tension by following Hitchcock’s teachings. The classic example is this. What is creates more tension. People string at a table eating dinner and then exploding or people eating dinner at a table but a bomb is hidden under the table? The logic being that the mix of information we do and don’t have is what gives a story tension. If the Guardians were just killed, all we would ask ourself would be “who and why did it?” Not a bad way to write a thriller but by staring the show by telling us Omiman killed them, the questions change to “why? and when will everyone find out and how will he react?” Which is much more engaging. Made even better by making it clear just how great of a dad and mentor he is. Because of those good personality traits we like him and as such secretly hope that he didn’t kill then maliciously. Maybe he was mind controlled or someone threatened Mark or anything but the one thing we all knew and just didn’t want. Great show
@@frankwest5388that's what made season 1 of invincible so compelling, I dont know if that kind of tension will be reached again in the later seasons but I can sure hope
10:27 Bruce has tried to kill Joker after Jason died. Jason’s death had taken such a big toll on Batman’s mental health by making him even more depressed. It affected his general life of as Bruce and Batman. He never wanted another robin because of how traumatic Jason’s death was. Like Tim made himself robin because he wanted to help Bruce to move on from his grief as he thinks that Batman needs robin. It took a long time until Bruce accept to having Tim as robin. Both Alfred and Nightwing have tried to convince him to accept Tim as Robin because they can see how much Jason’s death affected him. Bruce’s grief had gone to the point where he was willing to go against his moral code of not killing anyone. After Jason died, he was beating Joker to death but was stopped by Superman. Superman convinced him not to do it with also mentioning that Joker somehow obtained diplomatic immunity.
Great thing about Homelander and his portrayal by Anthony Starr is that while he's a complete and utter psychopath the show actually manages to make audience feel for him. I mean after watching flashbacks from Homelander's childhood from the animated episodes I'm more suprised he didn't snap and decide to murder everyone much earlier.
Other similar and well played roles by Giancarlo Esposito are Antón Castillo from FarCry 6 and The Dentist from PayDay 2, while they're both videogames he still delivers as always
@DeadManWalking Well. He did Gus like that on purpose of getting more than 1 episode. Normally he was supposed to be just a normal salesman or something. Not menacing and with ton of secrets.
If I had a nickel for every time the actor played a characters who’s business was taken over by a very poor managing antagonist, I’d have two, which isn’t a lot but weird it happened twice
I thought the guy meant more "evil super man" not "evil superman" but just spelled it that way in the title. Cuz since Superman is a proper noun, if you were talking about multiple of them it would actually be "supermans" not "supermen". It would only be supermen if you are talking about men who are super.
@@friedfrog5447 no? I generally don't like evil supermen, admittedly, but the term means something. An evil superman is a superman analogue who's, get this, evil. Metroman isn't an evil superman because he's not evil, not because the term is shallow
It saddens me that genuinely nice, sincere, hopeful characters like Superman just aren't taken seriously anymore but modern media. Especially when it feels like we need characters like that now more than ever in these dark, dreary times that we're living in.
People think, or at least the people coming up with these ideas, that it is more mature to be nihilistic. It is wise, yes, to understand the negatives, but allowing them to undermine is weak in every possible way. Hope, determination, grit, and idealism (with proper judgement) are true marks of maturity. We fight so that we improve, we improve so that we survive, and we survive so that we may live (in nature, and random chance is what that is, which could apply to some challenges in normal life: "survive" and "improve" are switched, but that is what makes us special, we go out of our way to find problems). But nihilism stops you at step one because it believes there is no objective purpose to fighting, or no reason for being willing to do so, that we must stop.
People these days are taught from a very early age that kindness and resolve don't work. Look at corporations, look at politicians, look at social media. Superheroes are a reflection of our surroundings. And our surroundings are _broken._
@@rognogog5092 Mostly true. The characters you have just listed, with the exception of Invincible, all have a flaw within them that fits their story, but not the story of superman. Mr. Incredible is just a guy. He contemplates cheating, he hates his 9 to 5, has trouble parenting, and all around is just human. He is relatable. Which is a theme in the story of Incredibles. Then there is Metroman. He understandably, but selfishly chose a music career over the fate of a city. But he did enough for it some might say, I'll get to that in a few, but that is what Megamind is about. The weight expectations of people on others (Hal's expectations of Roxanne, everybody expecting Megamind to be a villain, everybody expecting the world from Metroman), and finding and choosing your place in the world. Finally, Starlight. I don't think I need to explain this, but I'll shorten this with a scenario. Here is the premise, and if you're not on board with it, that's okay, but the scenario should get you. Fence-sitting is just as bad as choosing (bad) sides: Lets say person A is watching another (person B) endure a painful situation, and as to not mess with the social hierarchy, status quo, or to even avoid confrontation, or the situation they allow person B to suffer. This is with the factor of Person A having the power to stop said event from happening. Could you ever really call Person A a perfect role model if this is a tendency of theirs? (Irony, I said I was going to shorten it, but instead I made a explanation for her as long or longer than the last two.) Anyways, on to Superman; he is an incorruptible force of good. And from his inception, based on the idea of the ubermench. The ubermench is the replacement for god, in that his limited being is still great enough to enforce the laws with his moral compass, and his will alone. You would think this man-god would be corrupt, after all we are taught "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" "all great men are bad men" "money is the root of all evil" "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" and so on But yet we have Superman, and he stands strong. He is proof that good is not a contemporary thing, that evil does not always win, and that power does not make weaker men, it shows the weakness of those men. And he has none. Superman is mostly unrelatable. And that is good, we don't always need to see how things can go wrong, how to understand evil, sometimes what we need is inspiration, that is what he is inspiring. He is not supposed to fit or relate to our stories as humans, we are supposed to relate and live up to his
@@carmelorosario279 that is true I falsely assumed that they showing some qualities of Superman's morals or powers make them similar to Superman. Though i do believe that they, probably with exception to Metro-Man since he's more grey than the others. show examples of hope despite the presence of nihilism in media
One major trait about Homelander is that he isn't just selfish, he's psychologically ill. His desparation for attention isn't just in the form of public approval, but in coddling to the of fetishizing drinking milk from a breast. The way he was raised severely stunted his emotional maturity, he's stuck in an egocentric state that all children initially have but naturally grow out of. Edit: Btw this wasn't meant to shame people with certain kinks or fetishes, the show itself just uses his obsession with milk as part of the narrative about his psyche- to make his mental state more obvious.
Being someone who’s read all of Invincible, Omniman is so much more then a cold blooded Superman clone. Without saying much Omniman’s character is so much more complex and his arc over the series is one of my favorites.
Yup! He’s the outlier in the group mentioned in the video. Dude is a straight up Alien who didn’t grasp what love was until Deb and Mark. At some point in the show, everyone will recognize Omni-man as just Nolan. Next season can’t come soon enough!!
How is your comment 12 hours ago but the video is 11 hours ago? Did i take too much time watching video? I started in minute 40 or 50 because i watch the first 40 yesterday
Seeing a video called "Evil Superman" start with footage from "Fred Goes Grocery Shopping Feat. Annoying Orange" is the fastest I've ever been hooked on any piece of media.
Another really interesting thought on Omni-Man. Whilst it is true Omni-Man appears to be our Superman stand in, he’s only somewhat there. Omni-Man’s ability to tank every blow dealt upon him and his abilities make it seem like Omni-Man is Superman, Earth’s mightiest hero. However, people often overlook the titular character, Invincible. Mark may be weaker than his father, but he still has immense power (and will become the most powerful viltrumite or so I’ve heard). But Superman isn’t JUST his powers, he’s also his ideals. Omni-Man has all the powers of Superman. Invincible has the powers AND the beliefs and values of Superman.
omni-man doesnt have all of supermans powers like heat vision or freeze breath but he does have supermans strength and flight and thats pretty much it.
@@totallynotmiless when I say superman powers I understand that Omni-man does have the other tools in his kit. It’s just that compared to Mark, Omni Man is near indestructible (at least in what’s animated so far)
You forgot to mention the fact that after Homelander's "I'm better" speech, people started rallying to him because a good chunk of the populace found him to be relatable due to his struggles. People began to see him as a hero standing up to corruption, and he begins to gather his own political following. To the point where he kills someone for attacking his son in public, and the public agrees with him and cheers him on instead of cursing him out.
So, regarding Syndrome/Buddy, it's actually theorized that he *is* powered, but his power is extreme intelligence given the technology he develops and employs over the course of the film.
That makes a fair amount of sense since according to another theory regarding Mr Incredible knowing Buddy’s parents. As it’s theorized that Buddy’s first super victims were his 2 parents. Super blood is in his veins.
People, just to be clear, Mark gets roiped in the comics, aswell as Eve having an abortion. I think Invincible is one of those cases of "alright comic series turned into banger TV show" just like The Boys and The Walking Dead.
An evil Superman can work really well for building tension. Homelander is so good in the show because every scene he’s in inherently has a boatload of tension because you know he could just kill anyone he’s talking to at a moment’s notice without a second thought. But in general what makes a good Superman so interesting is that the same is ultimately true. But instead they actively are choosing not to take the easy way out and to try and do things the right way.
I do hope you've also read the Invincible comic. It's like 140 issues long and is completely finished. Season 1 only adapts the first 30 issues or so. To adapt the whole comic they'll probably need 4 or 5 seasons. For example, you say he killed the guardians because it was his plan all along to gain their trust for a surprise attack. Not quite. Comic spoilers ahead. He actually did love Debbie and Mark. In fact that was a major internal conflict for him. He initially didn't care about them, but as he lived with them, he grew to genuinely love them, which threw a wrench in his takeover plans. He was basically just going to live with them until they died of old age and then take over. But then Mark got his powers and Nolan remembered he had a mission to do. You can see the conflict in Nolan's reaction. He's shocked. Mark's powers *are* the catalyst. Also, in the comic, he kills the guardians easily. Anticlimactically, even. He did not need their trust for that. Also, you left out an important detail of Syndrome's plan: it wasn't to make Syndrome a hero. Being perceived as a hero was only a means to an end, and that end is that he sells his gadgets to the general public, "and when everyone's super, no one will be". His plan is to eradicate supers by diluting the concept altogether. Killing Mr. Incredible just destroys his physical body. Syndrome wants to go further. He wants to erode the very _idea_ of a superhero. Publicly felling an unstoppable robot isn't a self-aggrandizing ego trip, but rather a key part of a long-term revenge plot.
@@Benjamslikestrains He probably didn't think that far ahead, but Mark's death of old age (in an AU where he never got powers) probably would have been a catalyst to something. Either Nolan taking over or being so grief-stricken that he takes measures to protect Earth. For the record, Mark does have a child near the end of the comic.
to be fair. spoilery stuff ahead.. When given a little forewarning in a later time travel-esque plot, its implied the gaurdians were as powerful as their animated counterparts, able to defeat omniman with a little forewarning and help from mark, whose powers were still fairly weak at the time. I kind of wonder if the anticlimatic defeat they suffered the first time was a regret of the author.
@@BradenBest Oh yeah. I wasnt gonna say that since it isnt relevent to the power scaling part, though I suppose one could argue that the tactics they used there wouldnt have really worked or something like that.
I almost never comment on videos but I felt the compulsion to say that this video was fantastic! Just 20 minutes in I felt like it was halfway through the video with how well you conveyed everything. It was all written so well and it's obvious that a lot of thought went into this. Please keep up the great work!
I like the irony that Syndrome would lie about his Omnidroids going rogue to kill superheroes only for the final upgrade to actually go rogue and shoot his remote off
It's really funny that in the boys the actor for stan edgar also is the actor of gus fring from breaking bad, really shows how the actor is really good at portraying business men
I feel the most interesting thing about Homelander is how the question of how to stop a superman from just punching everything out present in the comics about good supermen is translated to an evil superman. You can see how sometimes he has the upper hand not because of his strenght, and also how there are issues his strenght can't solve, and the same goes to the ones trying to stop him.
I love this so much and it just shows you that anyone with certain aspects and characteristics who gets powers or are born with powers can show the true colors they have deep down inside of them and their powers just simply serves as a means to amplify their behavior to some extents. This was such a great breakdown of the whole evil supermen concept. I hope to see you make more of this typw of stuff, this was such a fun and introspective watch to enjoy and experience! 💯
i watched this during study hall, and this is one of the best documents I have ever watched. This content is top tier, and I am glad that you are getting into new topics.
I can really see the passion shining through your video essays, they're always about some topic that's unrelated to your typical "shitty mobile game" videos. Your writing has gotten better as well. Keep doing you.
The Batman-Joker dynamic and their representation is truly genius and lightning in a bottle. No other property could ever replicate the same dichotomy.
Also uhh, Batman doesn't have restraint in not killing, if he kills he spirals into a murderous rampage (seen in multiple elseworlds) He has a no kill policy because he knows hes too weak to choose with to kill and when not to. Hes tetering on the edge of insanity
That's just hack writers who don't understand not being a self-righteous fuckhead. Superheroes who avoid killing do so because there's always a grounded element of criminality in their stories, therefore the law needs to be the same. And you have people who are specifically there to decide the punishment, up to and including the death penalty. The momemt the person stopping the criminal also becomes the one to enforce justice, you get shit like police brutality irl.
Every version is different, but at the heart, batman is trying to prove Joker wrong, and Joker is trying to prove batman wrong. To put it plain and simple, batman's childhood and life were taken from some guy with a gun. He simply does everything he can to prevent that from happening to anyone and redeem everyone.
some parts are directly ripped from emp's "sympathy for the villain" such as the intro of syndrome and the first 5ish minutes, and the talk about joker, with the yin and yang. ik anybody could talk about it, but he basically paraphrases what emp says and is obv inspired. kind of lazy but good content ig
I mean, there are several points in Emp’s video where he borrows some points from other sources as well, like the stuff about Syndrome, but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter because Emp’s video is about the dynamics in antagonists and my video is about different takes on evil versions of Superman. The intro’s writing style was inspired by Emp’s and the taijitu transition was based on his video but besides that the videos are nothing alike. And calling it “lazy” just because it’s vaguely similar in a few areas is simply inaccurate.
@@T3rr0r626 I mean't the parts that seem directly ripped from emps video were lazy (its not vaguely similiar, its downright paraphrased). Emplemon's video is one of the most popular videos on the topic, and emps stuff is very well researched so hes obv gonna source it from somewhere. I agree the rest of the video is pretty original but the intro isn't vaguely similiar, its literally paraphrased lmao. Paraphrasing is a form of plagiarism when you don't source where you got it homie, and thats lazy, especially when its the entire intro of your video, which is the most important part. Your video doesn't really relate to the intro anyway so I don't know why you added it. the whole video is low key a homage to emp like the editing style and the intro of the segments, mentions of the downward spiral, etc. I still love your content but idk why you wanted to even make this video.
I rewatched Emp's villains video and I now understand your point even less. From what I can tell there are 3 things my video and his share: the Syndrome bit, the "dEVIL" clip, and the use of Darth Vader/Joker as an example, as well as me using his background music. While I tried to capture the same tone, both intros go in completely different directions. Emp discusses how children view heroes and adults view villains, while I discuss fiction and the creation of antagonists. At what point does inspiration become paraphrasing? I make some similar points but I don't ever even mention the taijitu, only showing it to visualize a different point. The section about Batman's villains reflecting himself is nowhere to be seen in Emp's video. I made this because I wanted to try by hand at making any sort of character "analysis" type thing, I gave emp credit for the music at the bottom of the pastebin link. Claiming the entire 7 minute intro is paraphrased/plagiarized from another individual's video is a gross oversimplification and flat out untrue.
I don't think the consept of "being scared of your own strength" hasn't been done a lot, like if I was hypothetically bestowed with superhuman powers, I would be terrified everyday of the fact that I could kill someone close to me or something.
A detail I love is that in The Incredibles that Robot Mr Incredible fights in the volcano was actually meant for Frozone as earlier in the movie during the building fire that Black Van is referencing Frozone and what he's doing aswell as the fight itself taking place in the volcano aswell further shows this
Titan from megamind becomes much more scary when you realize metroman has the power to stop time, and thus titan has it too, but can't use it because he doesn't know how to, or that the power exists Imagine if by chance he does activate it Megamind would have become a puddle of red on the floor immediately It also shows how metroman was never actually challenged by megamind
small correction coz idk if you knew this or just phrased it weirdly- Metroman nor Titan have the ability to stop time, the part where Metroman seems to have stopped time is just him using his super speed. But yeah if Titan actually sharpened his powers to that point he would've been undefeated, but he's an idiot so nah lol
I’m 11 minutes in and the editing, writing, production, and presentation of this piece of art is astounding! Great work! Defiantly will be watching whatever comes next’
I think a truly morally good Superman will always be more interesting and relatable than an evil one. That optimism, seeing the best in everyone regardless of no matter what…that is what Superman truly is.
I love the idea of both the hero and villain having back stories that are mostly the same, just for one small (or big depending on how you look at it) change to lead them to where they have taken different paths just to end up known for the good/bad things they've done to have the power they do.
Fiction and stories can exist without enemies or a conflict, descriptive storytelling that just tells you about a place is a thing, it's more artsy and not as easily digestible but it exists
yep, yotsuba proved to me that a story without conflict can still be engaging and its even one of my favorite manga i've ever read. And its a little weird with berserk being my favorite right above it.
@@kalackninjaYotsuba does have "conflict" in the literary sense. The conflict is Yotsuba's naivete and misunderstandings, the resolution is her learning. Every story does need conflict, but not all conflicts are fights.
Just another thing note is that megamind is like those wwe villains and that means that he was happy to just play the bad guy, As he said to tighten “oh you’re a villain alright, just not a super one “ Tighten quips back with “oh yeah, what’s the difference?” And the response to to that quip “presentation “ shows that there is a difference between actually being a villain and just playing the villain , the fact that megamind is able to act like a villain who functionally is a violent character (including references to common moves in wwe and a joke on product placement) I think it makes sense that megamind talks about themes of judging others not on their own characters but rather who they truly are, no single villain truly wants to be a super villain and this applies to homelander and tighten especially and even evil Superman and syndrome. This is what I noticed in the characters you choose for the trope of evil Superman, a character who chooses their image over their morality, also known as the imposter Superman as I call it, those that want people to believe they can do no wrong while actively doing wrong the whole time.
The comparison to WWE villains is also great when it comes to Megamind because the wrestlers who are heels (wrestling's term for villain) are usually very nice people. For example, Roddy Piper, one of the greatest heels in wrestling, was just a guy who wanted to spend the most amount of time with his family and give his kids the good childhood he never had.
Gotta say, this is a wonderful retrospective video, it's like 5 videos all knitted together, the editing is good, and the music selection is magnificent, MF DOOM definitely fits considering the point of the video is, well, villains. Great work.
Despite this being not much more than a summary for their respective shows/movies, I found myself returning to this video several times. I think if you want a better understanding of the characters from these shows this video is a great means of doing so.
Bro terror if you knew the amount of joy I had when I saw you posted a new video followed up by the amount of pure happiness I had when I saw it was over an hour, you made my day man thank you :).
Something that always stuck out to me about Omni-Man is that he, unlike other supermen, doesn't have anything like laser eyes or whatever. He just has flight and super strength, and that's all he needs.
Would've been awesome seeing the good Superman talk down his evil side as he did to The Elite. Not just being kind and good but explaining and arguing his philosophy, similarly to how he explained his reason to Lex after Lex got to see the world from Superman's perspective.
This video is so well put together, It has so much effort and it really goes into extreme depths of each of these characters and I absolutely loved every second of it!
This is less commentary and more literally having a synopsis of different shows. However is very entertaining and it really help me get refreshed on The Boys
Wow. Just wow. This was such a fantastic video. I had seen this pop up in my recommended a while back but didn't get around to it until now. I'm so glad I decided to watch. In particular I liked the Megamind section. It's honestly making me consider going back and rewatching the movie. Keep up the good work, you've earned a new subscriber.
Absolutely love the video, only critique is that some points feel like they don't fully related to the "evil superman" topic, and how each segment feels like separate videos (especially the Homelander Segment). Nothing bad, this is still a fantastic video and I loved every second of it.
I liked the whole injustice comic series, the part where they introduce the super-pills and Alfred beat the shit outta superman. Also, Harley quin was a good ass hero
Great content, just subscribed. I gotta say I like Omni man the most. Homelander is really entertaining because of the satire but really you could give him any broken power set and his character is basically the same, make him the hulk or Thor and he’s the Sam shtick. Omniman actually feels like a subversion of Superman where instead of being raised by our culture he’s raised by a empirialistic and spartan like culture with morality that doesn’t align to ours
A very intresting video, with some insightful character analyses... at least when it comes to the first three villains. I honestly can't help but think, that Syndrome, Megamind and Tighten desere a video of their own. And, for that matter, a video of yours my dude. Great work. ... YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
really starting to get interested to this type of content not just from t3rror but from other youtubers like this 2 hour video essay on the history of bloons great job man you managed to get my attention for 1 hour lol
It's interesting that in the Diabolical finale he 'blacks' out, It's very tragic that Vought and those who worked for it turned Homelander into who he is today. He was actually kind of normal even having his own super hero voice. Like I was more weirded out seeing him not be a complete psychopath rather than when he accidentally does kill those activists Considering Stillwell appears to be at about his age the episode must have taken place in the early 2000s if he's a young man like either 18 or closer to 20 The animation style and character design in that episode was really clean and satisfying
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This video is largely a plot summary and is often style over substance. I went in without a clear plan aside from just wanting to talk about these characters and didn't give myself enough time to flesh out the script, leading to some surface level flaws. I highly implore you to watch my newer, better, videos. th-cam.com/play/PLRrE6zdhqWxRV3OUasY-enztWkZZpkQy3.html
Considering that for the whole hour+ duration of this video I was entertained the whole time, it goes to show just how good you did. The fact that you’re still in high school makes this even better, keep it up man!
honestly one of ur best videos
On gosh
It's a pretty good video, man. But your opinions about Amber are wrong
I wish I had half the drive and passion it must’ve taken to make this video when I was in high school. Keep up the phenomenal work!
A fun fact about the first omnidroid Mr. Incredible fights: a key reason why Bob is able to defeat is is because it wasn’t initially meant to fight him, it was meant to fight Frozone. When Mirage is spying on Bob and Frozone in the car, that was Syndrome spying on Frozone as his next target, but then his plans change once they spy Bob in the car. Its why the first Omnidroid fought Bob in an active volcano; it was programmed with Frozone’s weaknesses in mind.
would also explain why they don't have much of a hard time with the next one with Frozone by their side
And this is later shown again during the “Terminated” scene where Bob is on Syndrome’s computer, Syndrome knows that Lucius is Frozone
the amount of lore and details the first incredibles movie had is fucking insane honestly
Holy shit
@@Josuh seriously, its more well thought out and inteicate than 95% of super hero movies out there
Omni Man is a warrior. Homelander is a bully. Mega mind is a victim of circumstance. Buddy is a petty child. And Tighten is a creepy stalker.
Omni-Man also beat his son and called his wife a pet, but let's just-
@poorlydrawnlordsinister1849 oh my Gods 😆
@@agoblintrippingonhorrordus145this doesn't conflict with him being a warrior.
Warriors tend to be bad fathers anyway.
@@agoblintrippingonhorrordus145 Just you wait for season 2. Omni-man is great in the comics and I really wonder how they are gonna handle him in the rest of the show.
@@Stars-Sapphire 10 years in the
Homelander isn't emotionless, he is VERY emotional, he just thinks about himself and no one else.
he had so much potential as a good guy
Yeah he's literally bland he has little
to no character he's just like a little girl
@@Dipankar89you described the series
@@magicman3163 lmao fr
Homelander can’t process or understand why his he has
Emotions that’s his biggest problem and they confirmed this season it was designed for him to be insecure and wanting for acceptance
I love how every other evil superman gets relative screen time in this video but there's just a big ass bar for Homelander
I found it without watching the full video
Hes better
That’s cause he’s the best version of the trope
3 seasons worth of lore
@@V1Down homelander just has that many issues to unpack as well
I love how Syndrome designed a robot with adaptive combat AI but forgot to disable it learning or programming it so that it would never seek to kill him. He literally pulled a Plankton from SpongeBob SquarePants Battle for Bikini Bottom with the robot.
It's really a clairvoyant writing decision lol. When the US military wa testing AI drones in simulations the drone decided to kill the radio tower controlling it because the human operator was stopping it from optimally achieving its mission. When they disincentivized killing the tower, it killed the operator. Only a simulation but still concerning lol
To be fair the US military has made the exact same mistake with AI in a drone simulation
Or Demolition Man.
The who who revived (villain) Simon Phoenix in the future made it impossible to turn by programming in that he is unable to kill his beneficiary. But he forgot to do the same with the minions. So all Phoenix does is give his gun to one of his henchmen "kill him"
@@DogWalterThat means it's not unrealistic, yet still idiotic.
The Sentinels are the same way in X-Men and the Spider Slayer from Spider-Man let's not forget the Androids from Dragon Ball Z and Metallo from Superman Metallo is the one with the Kryptonite battery all those things were literally created to kill their respective Heroes in each of those series
I always found it strange how long it took for Lois to die if superman wasn't holding back against what he believed to be an unreasoning monster.
fr didnf she die if her heart stopping as opposed to her body being destroyed?
Injustice is... not the best DC has to offer writing wise.
I remember him taking her up into space, not "not holding back".
@@trillionbones89 before he went into space he punched what he thought was doomsday and crashed through several walls/buildings.
She already took the super dick so she probably has some resistance above normal humans
Injustice Superman is basically the moral opposite of Kingdom Come Superman.
Both versions have everything they love taken away because of Joker, but while Superman went insane with grief, KC Supes kept his resolve and grieves Lois's death pretty normally.
You also have to take into consideration that Injustice Superman is not the main Superman. He's more flawed. For example, Injustice Superman selfishly low key used his powers to get a football scholarship. The original Superman was honest enough to give up on football when his powers appeared.
@@newguy90 oh shit, that reminds me of the S4 episode of Smallville "Recruit" where the freak of the week, who can induce paralysis via touch, is a walking warning on what Clark would need to do if he used his powers for that football scholarship
@@newguy90 In further fairness (Haven't seen KC< to be fair) Injustice Superman killed Lois and (Indirectly) set the nuke off. That cannot be good for a man's mental state,
@@kazekamiha The fact that he killed Lois and blew up Metropolis by mistake and decided he needed to be MORE involved in people's lives instead of LESS for fear he could cause another disaster is probably the biggest reason to not view Injustice Superman as a normal Superman...or even a rational Superman, for that matter.
Injustice was basically written by someone who doesn't know Superman.
Superman is a man with the power of a god, who has, over his long life, resisted every temptation to use that power for his own benefit at the expense of others.
His moral code is as inflexible as Batman's. He is a good man.
That said, killing the Joker is something that any good man would have done years ago. The blood of every person killed by the Joker is on Batman's hands because he refuses to do the right thing.
There are so many evil supermen at this point that the most subversive thing to do would be make an actual good guy Superman who makes it through a whole movie without killing anyone
@@kingzkb2195 I still to this day consider the Tick to be one of the best Superhero parodies ever made, whether it be the original comic series, the Animated series, the extremely short-lived show starring Patrick Warburton, and the Amazon show.
Never saw the original 3 Superman movies did ya
@rollerskdude of course I did, though I'm pretty sure that he only doesn't take a life in the first one. He kills the 3 kryptonians in 2 (with the exception of an obscure TV edit from the mid 80s where we see them arrested) and the cybernetic lady in 3
@@rollerskdude it's also up for debate, but he technically did kill some goons in Superman Returns by crushing them with giant crystals and throwing their corpses into space
Superman already is a subversion of the Nazi ubermensch
I think you forgot to mention that Megamind was always a Hero, shoehorned into the role of villainy, not just by his upbringing, but by his peers in school. Metroman says as much when he gives him the pep talk, and this is shown especially, as even when he's in complete control, he never causes any terror directly.
I feel like the real lesson from The Boys is that laser vision is dangerous and needs restraint and practice.
the real lesson from the boys is thatyou should purchase the LGBLT, as seen in voughtland during the Boys Season 3 episode 3
@@threemooseqateers9689 At what store can I buy one?
@@danielhuelsman76 only at vaughtland
@@danielhuelsman76 only at Vought+
@@threemooseqateers9689 I should call and make an order for a bi girlfriend.
“I’m bigger. I’m stronger. I’m better. I AM BETTER!” This quote says it all about certain characters.
"I WOULD ALWAYS BE BETTER"
"He's bigger, faster, and stronger, too!"
He's... bigger?
He's also faster 🤨
Better some would say
Fun fact: if you pay attention on the background of Mark by Battle Beast, you can see something in the sky, and it's definitely not an art mistake. It's Omni man watching over his son
Where is that clip I wanna see
Lies
clown@@Thegamingdino133
@@Thegamingdino133 It is actually true! While mark, as Cecil's team try's to save him, is blinking there is a second where omni man appears in the sky
@@largeshark9021 Link
The lesson actually learned from syndrome is to not use a cape because you will always end up getting screwed over by it.
No Capes!
Even Omniman had his cape used against him, nobody is safe.
Homelands literally got dragged by his cape by soldier boy💀
@@the-plug2164 soulja boy goes KABOO-
2:11 9/11 reference?
I felt like Omni-man was not only trying to convince Mark, but also himself. As if, he was also battling with himself internally.
So many people have probably said this but I love all the little details about that through the show.
He is constantly trying to convince himself and those around him. You can see how much he cared for his friends right after he killed them. You feel his rage when Debbie confronts him, and so much more - watching it a second time recontextualizes it, almost making Omniman the main character since so much of our focus is on him and his actions.
Heard a recent theory that makes sense.
Nolan was happy on Earth with his family, and was almost glad that Mark didn't have powers. So, the theory is that Nolan was going to wait til his family had aged and died off then would've taken over the Earth since Viltrumites live for so long, but because Mark got his powers, he could no longer wait for them to age and die.
I think the comics might confirm that theory later on? I don’t remember exactly. We’ll have to see if the show does that.
@@Scorpionspear77they do confirm that when mark goes meets a space worm
@@Exzimius idk how were you watching it, but Omniman literally tells it in one episode. He never wanted Mark to have powers and wanted to continue living life with his family.
I think one of the best takes on the Evil-Superman was in the Irredeemable series. Showing how he started as a genuine hero but was influenced by the world he kept saving into being evil... then the end of the series lost sight of that and got weird.
Bro became Superman at the end...Literally.
its impressive how the people that directed the boys managed to make the series 1000X times better than the comics
i agree! i think it comes down to the fact that the boys comic was so mean spirited to the genre. it was written by someone who hates superheroes. all the protagonists a)shoot up compound v in the beginning for shigs and b) kts in the end. the show is written by people who actually Like superheroes and writing nuance with the gross/gritty stuff 😂
@@QuaePanemEtCircenses superman, EATS BABIES😲🤯🤯😲
Everyone’s seen PointlessHub’s TH-cam video about how the comics are bad and stuff and I agree the show was superior to the comics, but the comics definitely deserve more credit than to be brushed off as edgy garbage. It’s a genuinely good story and most of the show is still rooted in a lot of the plot-lines from the comics. I’m really happy I decided to give the comic a chance, if I’d have listened to that video I would’ve missed out on a fun time. It deserves criticism for how needlessly excessive it can be at times, but it’s a good Fuckin read and I feel like anyone who says it lacks depth hasn’t read it and or is just easily offended.
@@legostuds680 should prolly read fully before coming to a conclusion that thorough no?
@@phoenx8435 no, because I’ve read it and they’re 100% right
In college i wrote a paper about how Hancock and Homelander are complete opposites ends of the superman trope. One wants people to see him as a hero, but is terrible on the inside and doesnt have the traits of a hero, the other doesnt care what people think of him that much, but he still has the empathy needed to be a real hero. The comparison goes much deeper than that too but i'm not writing a whole essay here lol i just like thinking about characters like this in this way.
Did you get an A?
@@seva7500 I believe I did lol
@@Billonator117 nice
@@Billonator117if so it's probably well deserved in all honesty
Bro better drop a link to the essay. You can't just talk about that and then leave
What’s important about Homelander and the plane is that we never see him *try* to save the people in the plane, he just *says* it’s impossible for him to do anything, because Homelander at that point in the story has completely given up on the idea of being an actual hero.
Absolutely love this. I'm glad that you're comfortable with straying away from your normal content, because this is a master class in video essays. Great job man.
Master class leads me to believe you don't really watch that many video essays. I like the video but master class takes it REALLY far.
Master class? That's meat riding my pal. The video is good. An insightful listen, but it's not masterful. However that doesn't mean I don't want to watch and support his climb towards masterful content.
@@bungiecrimes7247 Is internet historian masterful level?
Shame to leave out one of my favroite scenes from Homelander, the end of season 3 where he killd a guy and thinks "welp, there goes my reputation" but instead of that, everyone starts cheering for him, showing that he might not even lose everything he cares about if he goes insane
hey i like your picture bro
🤘🤘🤘🤘
yeah but that was unrealistic. Yeah some might cheer but MOST people would be horrified
@@helloneighbour2408this Is a world where super heros are an everyday thing,and they believe Homelander is the best at protecting them so it's realistic
@@helloneighbour2408Wouldn’t say it’s unrealistic. Look at history(and even present day unfortunately) where public executions and killings were celebrated by crowds of people. Even more so if the one doing the killing is someone people idolized.
Thank you for this 1 and a half hour recap of movies and tv shows ive already seen.
You truly transcend video essay content.
watch florida men this was a mid first attempt
@@T3rr0r626🚽👱🏻♂️
@@seva7500terror is skibidy toilet confirmed???
@@CroissantTudorholy shit?!
I think Omni-man's story had one of the best uses of Dramatic Irony I've ever seen. The show would seriously be so much worse if it didn't immediately show you the hidden conflict of the entire series!
Invincible makes good use of narrative tension by following Hitchcock’s teachings.
The classic example is this.
What is creates more tension.
People string at a table eating dinner and then exploding or people eating dinner at a table but a bomb is hidden under the table?
The logic being that the mix of information we do and don’t have is what gives a story tension.
If the Guardians were just killed, all we would ask ourself would be “who and why did it?” Not a bad way to write a thriller but by staring the show by telling us Omiman killed them, the questions change to “why? and when will everyone find out and how will he react?” Which is much more engaging.
Made even better by making it clear just how great of a dad and mentor he is. Because of those good personality traits we like him and as such secretly hope that he didn’t kill then maliciously. Maybe he was mind controlled or someone threatened Mark or anything but the one thing we all knew and just didn’t want.
Great show
What hidden conflict are you referring to?
@@edwardliu111Omniman being the one behind the Guardians's murders
@@frankwest5388One of my favorite quotes from Hitchcock. He knew exactly how surprise and suspense should be done.
@@frankwest5388that's what made season 1 of invincible so compelling, I dont know if that kind of tension will be reached again in the later seasons but I can sure hope
bro went from existential crisis to fiction to villians to batman to evil superheroes in 3 mins
Yeah that intro was so inconsistent, constantly changing it's theme to finally start the main subject of the video. (but still, it was pretty cool)
@@Kyumifun I think a lot of this video could have been trimmed down to a more watchable 45 minutes personally
@@BlueAmpharos just watch it while doing any other thing, i think that's what these videos are mostly made in mind
Supervillains*
@@alexandre007opa i didnt wanna say from villians and then say supervillians that wouldnt really sound right
10:27 Bruce has tried to kill Joker after Jason died. Jason’s death had taken such a big toll on Batman’s mental health by making him even more depressed. It affected his general life of as Bruce and Batman. He never wanted another robin because of how traumatic Jason’s death was. Like Tim made himself robin because he wanted to help Bruce to move on from his grief as he thinks that Batman needs robin. It took a long time until Bruce accept to having Tim as robin. Both Alfred and Nightwing have tried to convince him to accept Tim as Robin because they can see how much Jason’s death affected him. Bruce’s grief had gone to the point where he was willing to go against his moral code of not killing anyone. After Jason died, he was beating Joker to death but was stopped by Superman. Superman convinced him not to do it with also mentioning that Joker somehow obtained diplomatic immunity.
Great thing about Homelander and his portrayal by Anthony Starr is that while he's a complete and utter psychopath the show actually manages to make audience feel for him. I mean after watching flashbacks from Homelander's childhood from the animated episodes I'm more suprised he didn't snap and decide to murder everyone much earlier.
I love how Gustavo Fring and Edgar are played by the same guy that type of role really works well for him
Other similar and well played roles by Giancarlo Esposito are Antón Castillo from FarCry 6 and The Dentist from PayDay 2, while they're both videogames he still delivers as always
@@nepi7847 the only good character in Farcry 6 lol
@@ZeroDim do t you dare diss my boy chorizo like that
@DeadManWalking Well. He did Gus like that on purpose of getting more than 1 episode.
Normally he was supposed to be just a normal salesman or something. Not menacing and with ton of secrets.
If I had a nickel for every time the actor played a characters who’s business was taken over by a very poor managing antagonist, I’d have two, which isn’t a lot but weird it happened twice
Great video! But I personally wouldn't consider Syndrome to be an evil superman. I feel like he's more an evil batman or robin personally
I thought the guy meant more "evil super man" not "evil superman" but just spelled it that way in the title. Cuz since Superman is a proper noun, if you were talking about multiple of them it would actually be "supermans" not "supermen". It would only be supermen if you are talking about men who are super.
I agree, he should've talked about Brightburn instead of Syndrome, he's s much more evil superman
Closer to evil Iron Man
I don't know if metroman exactly belongs in the category of "evil" super man but I definitely feel it's neat to include him in this conversation
Metroman is definitely not an evil Superman, but it’s definitely important to bring him up since his “death” is what brings us titan.
you mean musicman?
Metroman is basically what if Superman is an extrovert.
That's because evil superman is just a shallow term people use to lump in any superman-like character they don't like
@@friedfrog5447 no? I generally don't like evil supermen, admittedly, but the term means something. An evil superman is a superman analogue who's, get this, evil. Metroman isn't an evil superman because he's not evil, not because the term is shallow
It saddens me that genuinely nice, sincere, hopeful characters like Superman just aren't taken seriously anymore but modern media. Especially when it feels like we need characters like that now more than ever in these dark, dreary times that we're living in.
People think, or at least the people coming up with these ideas, that it is more mature to be nihilistic. It is wise, yes, to understand the negatives, but allowing them to undermine is weak in every possible way.
Hope, determination, grit, and idealism (with proper judgement) are true marks of maturity.
We fight so that we improve,
we improve so that we survive,
and we survive so that we may live
(in nature, and random chance is what that is, which could apply to some challenges in normal life: "survive" and "improve" are switched, but that is what makes us special, we go out of our way to find problems).
But nihilism stops you at step one because it believes there is no objective purpose to fighting, or no reason for being willing to do so, that we must stop.
People these days are taught from a very early age that kindness and resolve don't work.
Look at corporations, look at politicians, look at social media.
Superheroes are a reflection of our surroundings. And our surroundings are _broken._
Media still has good superman type characters. EVEN in evil superman stories (i.e. Invincible, The Incredibles, Metro Man, Starlight)
@@rognogog5092 Mostly true. The characters you have just listed, with the exception of Invincible, all have a flaw within them that fits their story, but not the story of superman.
Mr. Incredible is just a guy. He contemplates cheating, he hates his 9 to 5, has trouble parenting, and all around is just human. He is relatable. Which is a theme in the story of Incredibles.
Then there is Metroman. He understandably, but selfishly chose a music career over the fate of a city. But he did enough for it some might say, I'll get to that in a few, but that is what Megamind is about.
The weight expectations of people on others (Hal's expectations of Roxanne, everybody expecting Megamind to be a villain, everybody expecting the world from Metroman), and finding and choosing your place in the world.
Finally, Starlight. I don't think I need to explain this, but I'll shorten this with a scenario. Here is the premise, and if you're not on board with it, that's okay, but the scenario should get you.
Fence-sitting is just as bad as choosing (bad) sides:
Lets say person A is watching another (person B) endure a painful situation, and as to not mess with the social hierarchy, status quo, or to even avoid confrontation, or the situation they allow person B to suffer. This is with the factor of Person A having the power to stop said event from happening. Could you ever really call Person A a perfect role model if this is a tendency of theirs?
(Irony, I said I was going to shorten it, but instead I made a explanation for her as long or longer than the last two.)
Anyways, on to Superman; he is an incorruptible force of good.
And from his inception, based on the idea of the ubermench. The ubermench is the replacement for god, in that his limited being is still great enough to enforce the laws with his moral compass, and his will alone.
You would think this man-god would be corrupt, after all we are taught
"power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
"all great men are bad men"
"money is the root of all evil"
"you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
and so on
But yet we have Superman, and he stands strong. He is proof that good is not a contemporary thing, that evil does not always win, and that power does not make weaker men, it shows the weakness of those men. And he has none. Superman is mostly unrelatable.
And that is good, we don't always need to see how things can go wrong, how to understand evil, sometimes what we need is inspiration, that is what he is inspiring.
He is not supposed to fit or relate to our stories as humans, we are supposed to relate and live up to his
@@carmelorosario279 that is true I falsely assumed that they showing some qualities of Superman's morals or powers make them similar to Superman. Though i do believe that they, probably with exception to Metro-Man since he's more grey than the others. show examples of hope despite the presence of nihilism in media
One major trait about Homelander is that he isn't just selfish, he's psychologically ill. His desparation for attention isn't just in the form of public approval, but in coddling to the of fetishizing drinking milk from a breast. The way he was raised severely stunted his emotional maturity, he's stuck in an egocentric state that all children initially have but naturally grow out of.
Edit: Btw this wasn't meant to shame people with certain kinks or fetishes, the show itself just uses his obsession with milk as part of the narrative about his psyche- to make his mental state more obvious.
Yeah if you have to clarify it’s not to shame them you have a serious problem
Being someone who’s read all of Invincible, Omniman is so much more then a cold blooded Superman clone. Without saying much Omniman’s character is so much more complex and his arc over the series is one of my favorites.
Yup! He’s the outlier in the group mentioned in the video. Dude is a straight up Alien who didn’t grasp what love was until Deb and Mark. At some point in the show, everyone will recognize Omni-man as just Nolan. Next season can’t come soon enough!!
He's a Vegeta clone. /s lmao
t3rr0r is coming up with the most thought out intros ever my god
How is your comment 12 hours ago but the video is 11 hours ago? Did i take too much time watching video? I started in minute 40 or 50 because i watch the first 40 yesterday
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Nega Chin For The Win
that’s because injustice fundamentally does not understand superman
Omni-man was evil superman for such a small duration of the greater story that people conpare him with homelander too much
Seeing a video called "Evil Superman" start with footage from "Fred Goes Grocery Shopping Feat. Annoying Orange" is the fastest I've ever been hooked on any piece of media.
No way 😭
I've seen that before in the past
Another really interesting thought on Omni-Man. Whilst it is true Omni-Man appears to be our Superman stand in, he’s only somewhat there. Omni-Man’s ability to tank every blow dealt upon him and his abilities make it seem like Omni-Man is Superman, Earth’s mightiest hero. However, people often overlook the titular character, Invincible. Mark may be weaker than his father, but he still has immense power (and will become the most powerful viltrumite or so I’ve heard). But Superman isn’t JUST his powers, he’s also his ideals.
Omni-Man has all the powers of Superman.
Invincible has the powers AND the beliefs and values of Superman.
Young Superman, if Zod was his dad, and he still somehow was raised on earth
omni-man doesnt have all of supermans powers like heat vision or freeze breath but he does have supermans strength and flight and thats pretty much it.
@@totallynotmiless when I say superman powers I understand that Omni-man does have the other tools in his kit. It’s just that compared to Mark, Omni Man is near indestructible (at least in what’s animated so far)
@@totallynotmiless Yeah whatever nerd
@@jerrypie2792 you're literally called Jerry pie shut the fuck up :)
You forgot to mention the fact that after Homelander's "I'm better" speech, people started rallying to him because a good chunk of the populace found him to be relatable due to his struggles. People began to see him as a hero standing up to corruption, and he begins to gather his own political following. To the point where he kills someone for attacking his son in public, and the public agrees with him and cheers him on instead of cursing him out.
wait wasn't that cheer out of fear?
@@13physc Nope. Homelander was shocked when people started cheering him out of honest hatred towards the Left.
@@HolyknightVader999 ah alright
Gosh it’s almost like they drew inspiration from some sort of modern American politician or something
So, regarding Syndrome/Buddy, it's actually theorized that he *is* powered, but his power is extreme intelligence given the technology he develops and employs over the course of the film.
That makes a fair amount of sense since according to another theory regarding Mr Incredible knowing Buddy’s parents. As it’s theorized that Buddy’s first super victims were his 2 parents. Super blood is in his veins.
Once you explained the plot of Invincible, I was hooked and went to watch it. 1 day later, I finished. Fucking insane
Time to read the comics
@@VEGA_173Don't. Just don't.
@@sparrowanon Why? Invincile comics are awesome!
@@sparrowanon the Invincible comics are fantastic wym
People, just to be clear, Mark gets roiped in the comics, aswell as Eve having an abortion. I think Invincible is one of those cases of "alright comic series turned into banger TV show" just like The Boys and The Walking Dead.
I still stand by that a good superman is a thousand times more interesting than an evil one
what about an anti-hero Superman?
man of steel still one of my fav movies :)
Honestly I agree i think evil superman was done way better with jason todd a.k.a red hood. Evil but still trying to do good in his own way.
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An evil Superman can work really well for building tension. Homelander is so good in the show because every scene he’s in inherently has a boatload of tension because you know he could just kill anyone he’s talking to at a moment’s notice without a second thought.
But in general what makes a good Superman so interesting is that the same is ultimately true. But instead they actively are choosing not to take the easy way out and to try and do things the right way.
I do hope you've also read the Invincible comic. It's like 140 issues long and is completely finished. Season 1 only adapts the first 30 issues or so. To adapt the whole comic they'll probably need 4 or 5 seasons. For example, you say he killed the guardians because it was his plan all along to gain their trust for a surprise attack. Not quite. Comic spoilers ahead.
He actually did love Debbie and Mark. In fact that was a major internal conflict for him. He initially didn't care about them, but as he lived with them, he grew to genuinely love them, which threw a wrench in his takeover plans. He was basically just going to live with them until they died of old age and then take over. But then Mark got his powers and Nolan remembered he had a mission to do. You can see the conflict in Nolan's reaction. He's shocked. Mark's powers *are* the catalyst. Also, in the comic, he kills the guardians easily. Anticlimactically, even. He did not need their trust for that.
Also, you left out an important detail of Syndrome's plan: it wasn't to make Syndrome a hero. Being perceived as a hero was only a means to an end, and that end is that he sells his gadgets to the general public, "and when everyone's super, no one will be". His plan is to eradicate supers by diluting the concept altogether. Killing Mr. Incredible just destroys his physical body. Syndrome wants to go further. He wants to erode the very _idea_ of a superhero. Publicly felling an unstoppable robot isn't a self-aggrandizing ego trip, but rather a key part of a long-term revenge plot.
did omni man never expect mark to have kids of his own? what was his plan then?
@@Benjamslikestrains He probably didn't think that far ahead, but Mark's death of old age (in an AU where he never got powers) probably would have been a catalyst to something. Either Nolan taking over or being so grief-stricken that he takes measures to protect Earth.
For the record, Mark does have a child near the end of the comic.
to be fair. spoilery stuff ahead..
When given a little forewarning in a later time travel-esque plot, its implied the gaurdians were as powerful as their animated counterparts, able to defeat omniman with a little forewarning and help from mark, whose powers were still fairly weak at the time. I kind of wonder if the anticlimatic defeat they suffered the first time was a regret of the author.
@@TranshumanMarissa it also wasn't real. Eventually mark had to leave that alternate reality because he had a life in the original one.
@@BradenBest Oh yeah. I wasnt gonna say that since it isnt relevent to the power scaling part, though I suppose one could argue that the tactics they used there wouldnt have really worked or something like that.
ngl these characters made me appreciate superman even more
Same
Same honestly. Fucking love Clark Kent, _The_ Superman.
Homelander's existence just makes me grateful that Clark landed on a farm with loving folks instead of some government lab or a big corporation.
@@psmgames5861 Flashpoint has a version of Clark who grew up in a government facility.
I almost never comment on videos but I felt the compulsion to say that this video was fantastic! Just 20 minutes in I felt like it was halfway through the video with how well you conveyed everything. It was all written so well and it's obvious that a lot of thought went into this. Please keep up the great work!
I like the irony that Syndrome would lie about his Omnidroids going rogue to kill superheroes only for the final upgrade to actually go rogue and shoot his remote off
Hubris at its finest
I have to bring up that superman does have superstrenght on his moral code, this is what ultimately separate him from his evil counterparts.
Exactly! It really depends on which Superman blinks or doesn't
It's really funny that in the boys the actor for stan edgar also is the actor of gus fring from breaking bad, really shows how the actor is really good at portraying business men
I feel the most interesting thing about Homelander is how the question of how to stop a superman from just punching everything out present in the comics about good supermen is translated to an evil superman. You can see how sometimes he has the upper hand not because of his strenght, and also how there are issues his strenght can't solve, and the same goes to the ones trying to stop him.
I love this so much and it just shows you that anyone with certain aspects and characteristics who gets powers or are born with powers can show the true colors they have deep down inside of them and their powers just simply serves as a means to amplify their behavior to some extents. This was such a great breakdown of the whole evil supermen concept. I hope to see you make more of this typw of stuff, this was such a fun and introspective watch to enjoy and experience! 💯
i watched this during study hall, and this is one of the best documents I have ever watched. This content is top tier, and I am glad that you are getting into new topics.
This was one of the best video essays Ive ever watched! Bravo!
40:17 this is the best use of the Gorillaz songs being used in this video tbh. This legit seems like something that could appear in the show.
Evil Superman is essentially the mainstream version of Sonic.EXE
Nah sonic.exe is worser than homelander and would annihilate him with no issue
@@theend-nz6vs Hey Pal, Did you just blow in from 2011?
@@madmannn9576 what do you mean by that
It's almost the same as "what if media for all ages was EDGY"
or like, "guys what if the mushrooms in mario were drugs and mario said 'FUCK!!!11!!'"
@@theend-nz6vs Did you just fucking say this with genuine intent or are you completely oblivious to the true power of the characters displayed here?
I can really see the passion shining through your video essays, they're always about some topic that's unrelated to your typical "shitty mobile game" videos. Your writing has gotten better as well. Keep doing you.
The Batman-Joker dynamic and their representation is truly genius and lightning in a bottle. No other property could ever replicate the same dichotomy.
Also uhh, Batman doesn't have restraint in not killing, if he kills he spirals into a murderous rampage (seen in multiple elseworlds)
He has a no kill policy because he knows hes too weak to choose with to kill and when not to. Hes tetering on the edge of insanity
Oh. I thought he didn’t kill because he knew he’d be just as bad as the Joker.
@@justsans. its shown in multiple elseworlds he goes on murderous rampages after crossing that line
@@piotyrholbion or retires
That's just hack writers who don't understand not being a self-righteous fuckhead. Superheroes who avoid killing do so because there's always a grounded element of criminality in their stories, therefore the law needs to be the same. And you have people who are specifically there to decide the punishment, up to and including the death penalty. The momemt the person stopping the criminal also becomes the one to enforce justice, you get shit like police brutality irl.
Every version is different, but at the heart, batman is trying to prove Joker wrong, and Joker is trying to prove batman wrong.
To put it plain and simple, batman's childhood and life were taken from some guy with a gun. He simply does everything he can to prevent that from happening to anyone and redeem everyone.
I did not expect an emplemon-like video essay from T3rr0r. Very unexpected
some parts are directly ripped from emp's "sympathy for the villain" such as the intro of syndrome and the first 5ish minutes, and the talk about joker, with the yin and yang. ik anybody could talk about it, but he basically paraphrases what emp says and is obv inspired. kind of lazy but good content ig
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I woudn't say its lazy. Its a 1 hour and a half video, you gotta have to paraphrase at least some of it.
I mean, there are several points in Emp’s video where he borrows some points from other sources as well, like the stuff about Syndrome, but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter because Emp’s video is about the dynamics in antagonists and my video is about different takes on evil versions of Superman. The intro’s writing style was inspired by Emp’s and the taijitu transition was based on his video but besides that the videos are nothing alike. And calling it “lazy” just because it’s vaguely similar in a few areas is simply inaccurate.
@@T3rr0r626 I mean't the parts that seem directly ripped from emps video were lazy (its not vaguely similiar, its downright paraphrased). Emplemon's video is one of the most popular videos on the topic, and emps stuff is very well researched so hes obv gonna source it from somewhere. I agree the rest of the video is pretty original but the intro isn't vaguely similiar, its literally paraphrased lmao. Paraphrasing is a form of plagiarism when you don't source where you got it homie, and thats lazy, especially when its the entire intro of your video, which is the most important part. Your video doesn't really relate to the intro anyway so I don't know why you added it. the whole video is low key a homage to emp like the editing style and the intro of the segments, mentions of the downward spiral, etc. I still love your content but idk why you wanted to even make this video.
I rewatched Emp's villains video and I now understand your point even less. From what I can tell there are 3 things my video and his share: the Syndrome bit, the "dEVIL" clip, and the use of Darth Vader/Joker as an example, as well as me using his background music. While I tried to capture the same tone, both intros go in completely different directions. Emp discusses how children view heroes and adults view villains, while I discuss fiction and the creation of antagonists. At what point does inspiration become paraphrasing? I make some similar points but I don't ever even mention the taijitu, only showing it to visualize a different point. The section about Batman's villains reflecting himself is nowhere to be seen in Emp's video. I made this because I wanted to try by hand at making any sort of character "analysis" type thing, I gave emp credit for the music at the bottom of the pastebin link. Claiming the entire 7 minute intro is paraphrased/plagiarized from another individual's video is a gross oversimplification and flat out untrue.
This is my favorite T3rror video
You have one.
I don't think the consept of "being scared of your own strength" hasn't been done a lot, like if I was hypothetically bestowed with superhuman powers, I would be terrified everyday of the fact that I could kill someone close to me or something.
DCAU Superman's "World of Cardboard" speech covers this pretty well.
A detail I love is that in The Incredibles that Robot Mr Incredible fights in the volcano was actually meant for Frozone as earlier in the movie during the building fire that Black Van is referencing Frozone and what he's doing aswell as the fight itself taking place in the volcano aswell further shows this
Titan from megamind becomes much more scary when you realize metroman has the power to stop time, and thus titan has it too, but can't use it because he doesn't know how to, or that the power exists
Imagine if by chance he does activate it
Megamind would have become a puddle of red on the floor immediately
It also shows how metroman was never actually challenged by megamind
small correction coz idk if you knew this or just phrased it weirdly- Metroman nor Titan have the ability to stop time, the part where Metroman seems to have stopped time is just him using his super speed. But yeah if Titan actually sharpened his powers to that point he would've been undefeated, but he's an idiot so nah lol
@@jewelaloo7831 you're right
But it is basically stopping time lol
@@pedroguilherme868 he slows down time in the background you can see some stuff slightly move like the explosion
@@pedroguilherme868 titan only has like a very very tiny fraction of metromans powers. So he probably can't go nearly as fast
@@Walrus5 where do you take that information from?
I’m 11 minutes in and the editing, writing, production, and presentation of this piece of art is astounding! Great work! Defiantly will be watching whatever comes next’
I think a truly morally good Superman will always be more interesting and relatable than an evil one. That optimism, seeing the best in everyone regardless of no matter what…that is what Superman truly is.
There's not much to say besides the fact that this video was incredible. I absolutely loved it.
After Invincible, the phrase "Father runs a train on his son" has a whole other meaning.
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That scene fucks me up its so horrifying
I love the idea of both the hero and villain having back stories that are mostly the same, just for one small (or big depending on how you look at it) change to lead them to where they have taken different paths just to end up known for the good/bad things they've done to have the power they do.
Fiction and stories can exist without enemies or a conflict, descriptive storytelling that just tells you about a place is a thing, it's more artsy and not as easily digestible but it exists
yep, yotsuba proved to me that a story without conflict can still be engaging and its even one of my favorite manga i've ever read. And its a little weird with berserk being my favorite right above it.
@@kalackninjaYotsuba does have "conflict" in the literary sense. The conflict is Yotsuba's naivete and misunderstandings, the resolution is her learning. Every story does need conflict, but not all conflicts are fights.
@@MechanicaMenace if that's how you want to define conflict then sure
Just another thing note is that megamind is like those wwe villains and that means that he was happy to just play the bad guy,
As he said to tighten “oh you’re a villain alright, just not a super one “
Tighten quips back with “oh yeah, what’s the difference?”
And the response to to that quip “presentation “ shows that there is a difference between actually being a villain and just playing the villain , the fact that megamind is able to act like a villain who functionally is a violent character (including references to common moves in wwe and a joke on product placement) I think it makes sense that megamind talks about themes of judging others not on their own characters but rather who they truly are, no single villain truly wants to be a super villain and this applies to homelander and tighten especially and even evil Superman and syndrome. This is what I noticed in the characters you choose for the trope of evil Superman, a character who chooses their image over their morality, also known as the imposter Superman as I call it, those that want people to believe they can do no wrong while actively doing wrong the whole time.
The comparison to WWE villains is also great when it comes to Megamind because the wrestlers who are heels (wrestling's term for villain) are usually very nice people. For example, Roddy Piper, one of the greatest heels in wrestling, was just a guy who wanted to spend the most amount of time with his family and give his kids the good childhood he never had.
@@randomnerd3402 WWE?
@@joel2749wrestling
Ah, I love edgar, especially the flat delivery of “but then again, its your party, you can cry if you want to.”
Gotta say, this is a wonderful retrospective video, it's like 5 videos all knitted together, the editing is good, and the music selection is magnificent, MF DOOM definitely fits considering the point of the video is, well, villains. Great work.
Despite this being not much more than a summary for their respective shows/movies, I found myself returning to this video several times. I think if you want a better understanding of the characters from these shows this video is a great means of doing so.
this is an incredible video and I can’t help but thanking you for making it
Bro terror if you knew the amount of joy I had when I saw you posted a new video followed up by the amount of pure happiness I had when I saw it was over an hour, you made my day man thank you :).
alot of this video felt more like a plot summary of the shows than a character analysis
Most of these videos are just that, plot summary
Just starting to watch the intro is really well edited. Exited to finish it
Something really amazing is if you notice homelander and Chelsea is a direct parallel to all star superman when he saved the teenager from suicide
Went from "I'm gonna off myself" to "I don't wanna die" real quick 🤣
this video essay was informative, well spoken, humorous, and intruiging all the way through, right on man
Something that always stuck out to me about Omni-Man is that he, unlike other supermen, doesn't have anything like laser eyes or whatever. He just has flight and super strength, and that's all he needs.
Would've been awesome seeing the good Superman talk down his evil side as he did to The Elite.
Not just being kind and good but explaining and arguing his philosophy, similarly to how he explained his reason to Lex after Lex got to see the world from Superman's perspective.
True but there’s no way that would’ve worked, Clark was way too far gone and probably just saw good Clark as his naive younger self
1 hour and 30 minute long T3rr0r video! I know what I'm doing for the rest of the day.
20:40 Bro really started to play "Playing With Danger" by Valve Studios Orchestra
This video is so well put together, It has so much effort and it really goes into extreme depths of each of these characters and I absolutely loved every second of it!
First time I finished a Video that's over 40 minutes, shows how good this guy is at keeping people accompanied
This is less commentary and more literally having a synopsis of different shows.
However is very entertaining and it really help me get refreshed on The Boys
Wow. This video is very enjoyable. And to think that this did not have any sponsorship? Very commendable video essay. I am saving this on my playlist.
I have finally finished this video. All i can say is. If you ever make long form content like this again, you’ll have my like
I know I’m super late but the thumbnail just radiates epic, I don’t know why it just does
Wow. Just wow. This was such a fantastic video. I had seen this pop up in my recommended a while back but didn't get around to it until now. I'm so glad I decided to watch. In particular I liked the Megamind section. It's honestly making me consider going back and rewatching the movie. Keep up the good work, you've earned a new subscriber.
Absolutely love the video, only critique is that some points feel like they don't fully related to the "evil superman" topic, and how each segment feels like separate videos (especially the Homelander Segment).
Nothing bad, this is still a fantastic video and I loved every second of it.
Moral of the story: the idea of a person that’ll never let us down was tainted from the very beginning.
Yep. Almost like putting 100% of your faith in a human, a flawed being, never works out all the time.
If you haven't already, I heavy suggest reading vol 1-4 of injustice, Tom Taylor does a really good job of handling the story before the games
I liked the whole injustice comic series, the part where they introduce the super-pills and Alfred beat the shit outta superman. Also, Harley quin was a good ass hero
@@komodokisaragi9398rip green arrow tho he was a real one after accidently making superman more pissed
This is an amazing video, a great step in a new type of content that I'm 100% here for
Injustice has been a disaster for superman media
I love long videos like this because they allow me to not think about how depressed I am 😁
I feel you my brother
It gives me "I'm addicted to anything that helps me forget that i'm actually alive" vibe
Also Homelander is my fav modern villain
Great content, just subscribed. I gotta say I like Omni man the most. Homelander is really entertaining because of the satire but really you could give him any broken power set and his character is basically the same, make him the hulk or Thor and he’s the Sam shtick.
Omniman actually feels like a subversion of Superman where instead of being raised by our culture he’s raised by a empirialistic and spartan like culture with morality that doesn’t align to ours
Sounds remarkably similar to the Saiyans in dragon ball
*imperialistic
21:09 So you didn't have to kill the Justice League at all, huh Rocksteady?
All of the DOOM beats playing during Omni-Man’s section were a beautiful touch, I loved it
This was an incredibly satisfying watch. Keep it up T3rr0r!
A very intresting video, with some insightful character analyses... at least when it comes to the first three villains. I honestly can't help but think, that Syndrome, Megamind and Tighten desere a video of their own. And, for that matter, a video of yours my dude. Great work.
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really starting to get interested to this type of content not just from t3rror but from other youtubers like this 2 hour video essay on the history of bloons
great job man you managed to get my attention for 1 hour lol
It's interesting that in the Diabolical finale he 'blacks' out, It's very tragic that Vought and those who worked for it turned Homelander into who he is today.
He was actually kind of normal even having his own super hero voice. Like I was more weirded out seeing him not be a complete psychopath rather than when he accidentally does kill those activists
Considering Stillwell appears to be at about his age the episode must have taken place in the early 2000s if he's a young man like either 18 or closer to 20
The animation style and character design in that episode was really clean and satisfying