You should do more videos about the punk rock gangs of LA from that era, I think there are some really interesting stories there that no one ever talks about.
I've seen.. call it , like a photo album of some of most I remember hearing about... Some young dude.. put together.. here on YTube.. and some other one.. guy doing a.. sort of documentary style one on .. urban folklore.. or straight up the truth... Of some of the violence... If I find them.. I'll let you know... No worries... Cheers from Westminster CA.. 51 and will always be driven by Music... Oi Oi Oi.. From @∅
Why? Cuz you were in one and your ego wants to see your name mentioned on the internet? The "gangs" that showed up in early 80s at punk shows where one of the only shit things about punk shows. For years before the gigs were super fun, full of people, lots of kids, who loved music, loved the scene and just went to have fun. Yes it was dirty, a bit dangerous at times but fun. Then, some groups of kids who wernt punks, who had ego and insecurity issues started coming to shows but not for the music, just to start shit and "fight". However they actually rarely fought or never fought at all, they would just find the smallest most unthreatening person, usually a skinny kid or a drunk guy, and beat that person. Then theyd spend the rest of night talking about how they "kicked some ass". They also felt that people "feared" them which inflated their childish egos but it wasnt fear, but rather no one wanted their night ruined by lowlifes who ruined punk shows for fun. LADS, LMP etc where the silliest, most laughable and SMALL footnotes on an otherwise great time period in punk rock. There, you have the story on the internet, enjoy
Very pleased to see this uploaded today. John was/is a hero. Why isn't there a Circle One movie? Or book? Anything.....amazing lore. Kinda obscure lore. Coolest songs about Jesus Christ ever!!!!!! Haha!: books about the punk rock gang wars would make cool books and movies too
This is weird I've been listening to LA and Orange County punk since 1981 and I've never heard of him. I have heard super bad recordings of circle one but didn't know they actually did a good recording or a record. I thought they were an early version of Tsol. This is like a Mandela effect for me. I wonder if his gang evolved into the LA death squad
Interesting content. Well done on providing enjoyable, Informative, alternative documentaries, Thanks! Keep em coming...keep up the good work. Nuff Respect.
Good to see Mike Vallejo still holding it together. Havent seen this new vocalist at yhe end of the vid. Ive seen a couole other guys give it a go. Its still always fun.....we always called the "Circle Two", affectionately. Mike .....produce the movie!!!! Lets write a book!!!!! I know you are going to see this vid!!!! Haha Cool video
He's not that underground. All Circle ones stuff is on TH-cam. Their story is what I want more of! John was super loved ...and extremely feared and hated by many others. A terrifying bully that loved to feed KFC and preaching Christianity to homeless punkers. I'm a few years too young. I saw the show in this video where he has black stuff on his face. It was one of, if not, his last show. Patterns of Force is a badass record. The Jesus songs are some of my favorites. Please excuse my enthusiastic rant, haha. I urge you to find the music if you like really unique, real fast, real honest, truth telling, aggressive punk rock. Circle one rules. Every now and then I'll see an old dude with a Circle Ine symbol tatted on them. Especially in LA County Jail, haha!! They also used to be security at lots and lots of shows I've been too Take it easy
@@MattReeves-id5hdCheers from Westminster CA.. Folks have to be told.. out here it was.. not just clothes and whatever... You fought for it... Trivial to hear that to some.. but we who know.. will always
"However his mental illness, poorly managed with Prozac, worsened." You don't say! I never met Johnn Macias, I've just listened to his band for years but just by the stories in this video I can immediately tell that he was almost certainly bipolar (one probably). I'm not bipolar myself but my partner is but even I know that SSRIs don't work on bipolar people they usually just make things way WAY worse. This poor guy might still be alive today if he wasn't given them (and he might not have assaulted all those randos too, who knows). Doctors to this day still try to give bipolar patients SSRIs and they need to stop it. If you're bipolar and some know it all doctor tries to give you SSRIs you're better off not taking them for a couple weeks and just lying and telling them they aren't working (that way they can't say you're noncompliant) so they can switch you to something else that hopefully helps and won't just make you manic af. Great video as usual Tome! 🤘
Cornballs who whine with long winded political labels because they want punk rock to be gay like them ruined punk rock along with every other genre they infect. Punk was at its best when it was an expression of white attitude and rage towards the modern white system that’s consistently screwed over young whites generation after generation after generation. Republicans, democrats, it’s all the same in the end and nothing changes. The most badass hardcore punks I ever met didn’t worship any band or silly mainstream ideology. They were punks as a lifestyle, white guys angry at a society their people built that they had no future in. Punk rock was a righteous nihilistic rebellion and a genre which provided an artistic way to express that anger by way of look, attitude, and sound. Those guys didn’t flock to punk because they loved a band or had lame mainstream political aspirations. They flocked to punk because they were outcasted and angry and righteously so and the sound, look, and attitude of the genre fit the aggressive chaos and nihilistic rage they felt towards the society they were born into and their inherent reaction towards it. That’s why Punk was appealing and cool to some and scary and obnoxious to others. Then it lost all meaning and became just another mainstream tool when people started the inevitable chant for “inclusion” and the actual real punk’s who made the genre cool to begin with were overran and outnumbered by the usual crowd. Call me an incel, altright, whatever. I don’t care, it’s true. Admitting the same about rap as an expression of black rage and attitude is lauded and encouraged so I don’t care about the brainwashed double standard hate.
@@juliusseizure324that's precisely why I hate the bands I used to love. I always thought it was about anarchy and hating government but really being punk is all about leftist politics and being an establishment tool.
@@punishedmatteson7108 It’s not about that at all; but that’s exactly what it’s come to be. I’ll never NOT be a Punk Rocker. It’s just who the fuck I am. But yeah, I don’t like how mindlessly the Punks have gone woke left. When most of that shit is just common sense anyways! It’s really embarrassing.
Hands down John Macias would win, without a doubt. The guy was a naturally built monster. This was at a time when mental illness was pushed to the back, stigmatized and even frowned upon; to be bipolar would get you side eyed and shutdown. Although I thought his religious devotion to be rather extreme, I always loved his band. Even the preachy songs are worth a listen. A far cry above what would later be dubbed the nauseating "Christian Punk" moniker a decade later. You can definitely hear a difference in the sound between their "Public Service" tracks and the "Patterns Of Force" LP. I wish they had lasted longer but thus it was not to be, but they did reform in 2003 with the remainder of the "Patterns" era line-up with a new vocalist and released an LP called "Never Give Up" in 2008.
Nowadays if you're lucky enough to live in a decent country you will get science based medical treatment for mental illness, then there's the U.S. whose solution even more religion and guns.
The extinct Fanzine, Maximum Rock-n-Roll needs a look. You are the second person to give this information to be found since decades. Those rumors about the monster....now we are allowed nothing. HEY KIDS.....do this stuff and shut up....
The hate on long hair is pretty stupid (didn't his buddy Henry Rollins have long hair?!) - I wear my hair long, despite having a general crust punk sorta vibe otherwise - though in my case I don't have long hair cus I'm a metalhead (I got nothing against metal, but I'm definitely not a metalhead lol), it's more because I'm gender non conforming and like to be able to look rather androgynous
@@DumHeather Well I didnt say it would? just that it sounded like he was being a dick - and at least in the scene I grew up in, that wouldn't make him very popular. That said, I have had to learn how to defend myself over the years as a gender-nonconforming crust punk who's had to live in tent cities, trap houses, squats and the like in the past - If anything, I kinda like the idea of someone having to explain to their friends that they got their ass kicked by some dude in a miniskirt lol. I tend to have a lot of friends willing to help me out if it came down to it, too - especially at a punk show. My city isn't that big, and most of the local scene knows me. If some prick was giving me shit for being queer, it wouldn't go too well for him lol
@TheLokiBiz oh... this turned into an inside joke bro. "Having Long hair was a mistake" is a lyric from the NOFX song 13 Stitches. It talks about John Macias kicking the sh!t out of a crowd member because= "Having long hair was a mistake", and is by no means an anti long hair song, quite the opposite.
Wow this guy grew up in a house that most class oppressed people would envy. It's pretty cool. If I grew up in a house like that I'd probably not mention class warfare on my resume.
Thee Family skins are an old Whittier pagan clan clique separate but grew up hearing circle one family and WPC family skins never had problems like that, family ended up branching into its own thing but never really split from pagan
Big John Macias is a true legend in American Hardcore Punk! A real deal person. There was nothing fake about him. A good soul who cared about the forgotten youth of L.A. John was their champion. Circle One is a band that should be in the lexicon of music historians. Big John will always be remembered fondly & with admiration!
Punk gangs were all over So. Cal. in the 80's. Useful Idiots? Sure. I wonder if the CIA or FBI along with LAPD had some kind of hidden hand here and there.
@AtZero138 I've been studying and observing mind control for many many years. All the real good stuff was removed by YT long ago. There's wat more to punk rock than meets the eye. Right GG? Haha.
Ya, somehow he managed to rip off his whole style 2 years before John was even in the scene. Even though John was clearly biting Darby's whole deal, including the name Circle One. Read a book, homie.
Olde Hank Rollins... So many interviews.. But the old ones when he talks about the Badass.. East coast vibe.. the F you, Means F you!!.. I'll give him the credit for defending his Street life Neighborhood etc.. But... After coming out West.... Southern California... More correct is.. North Southern California...Los Angeles and Orange County.... When Hank R... Now living here and surviving the Punk scene....the Violence is and will always be what separated life here different from everywhere else... The street is the proving ground... Gang Life, Everywhere, Jock types, Bikers and just normal (Nothing) types... Defending your own was a part of living... Hank R.. talking about Playing in San Francisco...and the reaction of the Local "Punks".. hahaha... Even in the 90s it was different... They all just get along... Hahaha... Oi Oi Oi from Westminster CA 🇺🇸... Always hated his voice in Black Flag.. Dez, Chavo and Keith...all the way..
The hate on long hair is pretty stupid (didn't his buddy Henry Rollins have long hair?!) - I wear my hair long, despite having a general crust punk sorta vibe otherwise - though in my case I don't have long hair cus I'm a metalhead (I got nothing against metal, but I'm definitely not a metalhead lol), it's more because I'm gender non conforming and like to be able to look rather androgynous
So stupid but he was a mentaly ill Guy in the worst moment of hardcore .with tons of gangs , people in the army ,jocks that where atracted just for violence getting wrong what punk was.Even the drummer and bass player from Circle one had long hair.This Guy was schizofrenic and doing terrible drugs like pcp in a scene full of nonsense violence.MDC people was friends with jhon and they had long hair this days .Nonsense.Punk its about freedom and even this days you see punks with stupid strickt rules
@@TheLokiBiz stupid cliche stuff.Maibe the origins are in hating hippies?like in the moment you became punk got to automatically hate the music you use to listen.Ask Keith Morrys...a bit poser.sadly i did that with 14 years even punk records ...some clash,ACDC,Black sabath.i did fucking big mohawk and i joined the brainless army
Goes to show how dangerous Christianity is. Especially with people who have mental illness taking it seriously. I believe John may have been schizophrenic and had a split personality disorder. From what I gathered he seemed like a good guy protecting kids from cops and bouncers but he had other issues as well.
Religión is a product of mental illness and ignorance.Fear and guilt are great tools to manipulate the masses.you got tons of sociópats trying to manipulate others ,people alucinating and talking with god , people believing the most absurd stuff.
You should do more videos about the punk rock gangs of LA from that era, I think there are some really interesting stories there that no one ever talks about.
I've seen.. call it , like a photo album of some of most I remember hearing about... Some young dude.. put together.. here on YTube.. and some other one.. guy doing a.. sort of documentary style one on .. urban folklore.. or straight up the truth... Of some of the violence...
If I find them.. I'll let you know...
No worries...
Cheers from Westminster CA..
51 and will always be driven by Music...
Oi Oi Oi..
From @∅
Why? Cuz you were in one and your ego wants to see your name mentioned on the internet? The "gangs" that showed up in early 80s at punk shows where one of the only shit things about punk shows. For years before the gigs were super fun, full of people, lots of kids, who loved music, loved the scene and just went to have fun. Yes it was dirty, a bit dangerous at times but fun. Then, some groups of kids who wernt punks, who had ego and insecurity issues started coming to shows but not for the music, just to start shit and "fight". However they actually rarely fought or never fought at all, they would just find the smallest most unthreatening person, usually a skinny kid or a drunk guy, and beat that person. Then theyd spend the rest of night talking about how they "kicked some ass". They also felt that people "feared" them which inflated their childish egos but it wasnt fear, but rather no one wanted their night ruined by lowlifes who ruined punk shows for fun. LADS, LMP etc where the silliest, most laughable and SMALL footnotes on an otherwise great time period in punk rock. There, you have the story on the internet, enjoy
All true; however history is interesting, even if unpalatable
Punk rock gangs 😂
@@IanMcSlater Calm down, guy. Sometimes people are just interested in something.
Circle One had stopped playing by the time I started going to shows in '89 or so, but I remember reading about his death in the L.A. Times. Sad story.
John Macias also did the another state of mind church scene. RIP
Very pleased to see this uploaded today. John was/is a hero. Why isn't there a Circle One movie? Or book? Anything.....amazing lore. Kinda obscure lore. Coolest songs about Jesus Christ ever!!!!!! Haha!: books about the punk rock gang wars would make cool books and movies too
RIP John 💔
This is weird I've been listening to LA and Orange County punk since 1981 and I've never heard of him. I have heard super bad recordings of circle one but didn't know they actually did a good recording or a record. I thought they were an early version of Tsol. This is like a Mandela effect for me. I wonder if his gang evolved into the LA death squad
Interesting content. Well done on providing enjoyable, Informative, alternative documentaries, Thanks! Keep em coming...keep up the good work. Nuff Respect.
Very insightful.. I am huge extreme (non) music fan from way back and knew absolutely nothing about this guy.. Thank You
Circle one was one of first hardcore bands I ever heard…bummed to young but never go to see them
Mike quit nofx to do boring podcasts fulltime!
So what ?
NoFX were boring so...?
Good to see Mike Vallejo still holding it together. Havent seen this new vocalist at yhe end of the vid. Ive seen a couole other guys give it a go. Its still always fun.....we always called the "Circle Two", affectionately.
Mike .....produce the movie!!!! Lets write a book!!!!! I know you are going to see this vid!!!! Haha
Cool video
The dudes so underground I can’t even find an album 😆
He's not that underground. All Circle ones stuff is on TH-cam.
Their story is what I want more of! John was super loved ...and extremely feared and hated by many others. A terrifying bully that loved to feed KFC and preaching Christianity to homeless punkers. I'm a few years too young. I saw the show in this video where he has black stuff on his face. It was one of, if not, his last show.
Patterns of Force is a badass record. The Jesus songs are some of my favorites.
Please excuse my enthusiastic rant, haha. I urge you to find the music if you like really unique, real fast, real honest, truth telling, aggressive punk rock.
Circle one rules. Every now and then I'll see an old dude with a Circle Ine symbol tatted on them. Especially in LA County Jail, haha!! They also used to be security at lots and lots of shows I've been too
Take it easy
Circle One recently added 1983 Patterns of Force album to Spotify. Enjoy
Just google "Circle One LP" and you'll have multiple options.
Brother jon from Circle one shot with six bullets killer cops gun...MDC 's song Millions of Dead Cops
@@MattReeves-id5hdCheers from Westminster CA..
Folks have to be told.. out here it was.. not just clothes and whatever... You fought for it...
Trivial to hear that to some.. but we who know.. will always
"However his mental illness, poorly managed with Prozac, worsened."
You don't say!
I never met Johnn Macias, I've just listened to his band for years but just by the stories in this video I can immediately tell that he was almost certainly bipolar (one probably). I'm not bipolar myself but my partner is but even I know that SSRIs don't work on bipolar people they usually just make things way WAY worse. This poor guy might still be alive today if he wasn't given them (and he might not have assaulted all those randos too, who knows). Doctors to this day still try to give bipolar patients SSRIs and they need to stop it.
If you're bipolar and some know it all doctor tries to give you SSRIs you're better off not taking them for a couple weeks and just lying and telling them they aren't working (that way they can't say you're noncompliant) so they can switch you to something else that hopefully helps and won't just make you manic af.
Great video as usual Tome! 🤘
I'm on saphris. But yea the cops in Alabama are monsters ftp😂 😂😂
I think my Dad has that Patterns of force LP!
I forget if it is vinyl or cassette, but that skeleton soldier blasted me with nostalgia. 😅
VINYL RICHIE CAMEO????
Legendary. R I P
These days idiots think being the most devout follower of plutocratic partisan politicians is punk rock. P🐱ssies
HAHAHAHAHA no shit. It’s wild how “Punks” went so insanely liberal. Punks do what Punks do and reject it ALL.
Cornballs who whine with long winded political labels because they want punk rock to be gay like them ruined punk rock along with every other genre they infect. Punk was at its best when it was an expression of white attitude and rage towards the modern white system that’s consistently screwed over young whites generation after generation after generation. Republicans, democrats, it’s all the same in the end and nothing changes. The most badass hardcore punks I ever met didn’t worship any band or silly mainstream ideology. They were punks as a lifestyle, white guys angry at a society their people built that they had no future in. Punk rock was a righteous nihilistic rebellion and a genre which provided an artistic way to express that anger by way of look, attitude, and sound. Those guys didn’t flock to punk because they loved a band or had lame mainstream political aspirations. They flocked to punk because they were outcasted and angry and righteously so and the sound, look, and attitude of the genre fit the aggressive chaos and nihilistic rage they felt towards the society they were born into and their inherent reaction towards it. That’s why Punk was appealing and cool to some and scary and obnoxious to others. Then it lost all meaning and became just another mainstream tool when people started the inevitable chant for “inclusion” and the actual real punk’s who made the genre cool to begin with were overran and outnumbered by the usual crowd. Call me an incel, altright, whatever. I don’t care, it’s true. Admitting the same about rap as an expression of black rage and attitude is lauded and encouraged so I don’t care about the brainwashed double standard hate.
@@juliusseizure324that's precisely why I hate the bands I used to love. I always thought it was about anarchy and hating government but really being punk is all about leftist politics and being an establishment tool.
@@punishedmatteson7108 It’s not about that at all; but that’s exactly what it’s come to be. I’ll never NOT be a Punk Rocker. It’s just who the fuck I am. But yeah, I don’t like how mindlessly the Punks have gone woke left. When most of that shit is just common sense anyways! It’s really embarrassing.
Hands down John Macias would win, without a doubt. The guy was a naturally built monster. This was at a time when mental illness was pushed to the back, stigmatized and even frowned upon; to be bipolar would get you side eyed and shutdown. Although I thought his religious devotion to be rather extreme, I always loved his band. Even the preachy songs are worth a listen. A far cry above what would later be dubbed the nauseating "Christian Punk" moniker a decade later. You can definitely hear a difference in the sound between their "Public Service" tracks and the "Patterns Of Force" LP. I wish they had lasted longer but thus it was not to be, but they did reform in 2003 with the remainder of the "Patterns" era line-up with a new vocalist and released an LP called "Never Give Up" in 2008.
Nowadays if you're lucky enough to live in a decent country you will get science based medical treatment for mental illness, then there's the U.S. whose solution even more religion and guns.
@@notgnar8506it's ok. The American have GoFundMe
who would win in a fist fight today?
Fat Mike or Keith Morris
Trick Question! NEITHER! They’d both lose!
Mike.
But then he'd pay keith to claim revenge.
Keith Morris is a Jesus...
If he isn’t the most punk
Good video! Thanks for sharing
Who would win John or Fletcher?
I hope you do a video on pat brown one day
He tried to run the cops down!! a Pat Brown! He’s no clown!
The extinct Fanzine, Maximum Rock-n-Roll needs a look.
You are the second person to give this information to be found since decades.
Those rumors about the monster....now we are allowed nothing.
HEY KIDS.....do this stuff and shut up....
Flipside fanzine out of L.A. did a couple articles on Circle One if I remember correctly. Worth a look if you can find them.
Tome, could you please do one on Cranford Nix Jr and, or his band the Malakas?
I fuckin love Cranford!so so many good songs both solo and the Malakas sad he o.d.
Vinyl Ritchie 🤘
Vinyl Ritchie is awesome!
Exactly what I said
I miss some of the 80's true schitzoids. No joke.
Having long hair was a mistake
13 Stitches
The hate on long hair is pretty stupid (didn't his buddy Henry Rollins have long hair?!) - I wear my hair long, despite having a general crust punk sorta vibe otherwise - though in my case I don't have long hair cus I'm a metalhead (I got nothing against metal, but I'm definitely not a metalhead lol), it's more because I'm gender non conforming and like to be able to look rather androgynous
@@TheLokiBiz lol don’t think you identifying as androgynous is gonna help you in a fight
@@DumHeather Well I didnt say it would? just that it sounded like he was being a dick - and at least in the scene I grew up in, that wouldn't make him very popular. That said, I have had to learn how to defend myself over the years as a gender-nonconforming crust punk who's had to live in tent cities, trap houses, squats and the like in the past - If anything, I kinda like the idea of someone having to explain to their friends that they got their ass kicked by some dude in a miniskirt lol. I tend to have a lot of friends willing to help me out if it came down to it, too - especially at a punk show. My city isn't that big, and most of the local scene knows me. If some prick was giving me shit for being queer, it wouldn't go too well for him lol
@TheLokiBiz oh... this turned into an inside joke bro. "Having Long hair was a mistake" is a lyric from the NOFX song 13 Stitches. It talks about John Macias kicking the sh!t out of a crowd member because= "Having long hair was a mistake", and is by no means an anti long hair song, quite the opposite.
one time Tome did a livestream and he bullied me :(
also do Rollins next, or a Rollins part two
😂
Wow this guy grew up in a house that most class oppressed people would envy. It's pretty cool. If I grew up in a house like that I'd probably not mention class warfare on my resume.
you should credit the film and video makers you took footage from. The older Circle One footage is from David Marky's Slog Movie.
Legend , don’t take shit from no one
The Germs hung out with Circle One too.
The Germs were done before Circle One.
Circle ⭕️ family
i treasure this channel. its like targeted advertising for things i love. Circle One riiiiiiiipped
I grew up in Santa Fe Springs, is that the Family punk gang
Family skins?
Yes.The ones you can see in another state of mind film.Youth Brigade / social distortion and a bit of Minor Treath
To my knowledge.. Circle One "Family"
And the LA Traditional Skinhead (family) are not the same...
Oi Oi Oi from Westminster CA
Thee Family skins are an old Whittier pagan clan clique separate but grew up hearing circle one family and WPC family skins never had problems like that, family ended up branching into its own thing but never really split from pagan
@@sonnypadilla9681 I have friends from pagan
He beat the shit out of a dude I went to high school with!
Look at the crowd giggling at media darlin Henry Rollins. What a lame
New sub great content
What was that stuff all over his face.
Big John Macias is a true legend in American Hardcore Punk! A real deal person. There was nothing fake about him. A good soul who cared about the forgotten youth of L.A. John was their champion. Circle One is a band that should be in the lexicon of music historians. Big John will always be remembered fondly & with admiration!
MK Ultra?
Punk gangs were all over So. Cal. in the 80's. Useful Idiots? Sure. I wonder if the CIA or FBI along with LAPD had some kind of hidden hand here and there.
Watch.. Operation Mind control... From the late 70s...
Some dude actually taped it.. commercials and all..
@AtZero138 I've been studying and observing mind control for many many years. All the real good stuff was removed by YT long ago.
There's wat more to punk rock than meets the eye. Right GG? Haha.
Seems like Rollins ripped off this guy's whole style. 😂
Ya, somehow he managed to rip off his whole style 2 years before John was even in the scene. Even though John was clearly biting Darby's whole deal, including the name Circle One. Read a book, homie.
Olde Hank Rollins...
So many interviews..
But the old ones when he talks about the Badass.. East coast vibe.. the F you, Means F you!!..
I'll give him the credit for defending his Street life Neighborhood etc..
But... After coming out West....
Southern California...
More correct is.. North Southern California...Los Angeles and Orange County....
When Hank R... Now living here and surviving the Punk scene....the Violence is and will always be what separated life here different from everywhere else...
The street is the proving ground... Gang Life, Everywhere, Jock types, Bikers and just normal (Nothing) types...
Defending your own was a part of living...
Hank R.. talking about Playing in San Francisco...and the reaction of the Local "Punks".. hahaha...
Even in the 90s it was different...
They all just get along...
Hahaha...
Oi Oi Oi from Westminster CA 🇺🇸...
Always hated his voice in Black Flag..
Dez, Chavo and Keith...all the way..
@@AtZero138 the stucco-coated killing fields!
@williamdixon-gk2sk Sounds like you sucked off Rollins. I bet you swallowed too. 🤣
John ripped off Jellos Style.
Never heard of them
Who?
The hate on long hair is pretty stupid (didn't his buddy Henry Rollins have long hair?!) - I wear my hair long, despite having a general crust punk sorta vibe otherwise - though in my case I don't have long hair cus I'm a metalhead (I got nothing against metal, but I'm definitely not a metalhead lol), it's more because I'm gender non conforming and like to be able to look rather androgynous
What are u talking about bro . Crusties always rock long hair. No one cares about your look u doing too much
So stupid but he was a mentaly ill Guy in the worst moment of hardcore .with tons of gangs , people in the army ,jocks that where atracted just for violence getting wrong what punk was.Even the drummer and bass player from Circle one had long hair.This Guy was schizofrenic and doing terrible drugs like pcp in a scene full of nonsense violence.MDC people was friends with jhon and they had long hair this days .Nonsense.Punk its about freedom and even this days you see punks with stupid strickt rules
Oh yeah.. we use the term.. Hair Farmers
@@TheLokiBiz stupid cliche stuff.Maibe the origins are in hating hippies?like in the moment you became punk got to automatically hate the music you use to listen.Ask Keith Morrys...a bit poser.sadly i did that with 14 years even punk records ...some clash,ACDC,Black sabath.i did fucking big mohawk and i joined the brainless army
Dude this was 1980’s at the time punks and metal heads did not get long until the later 80’s when crossover and thrash happened
Interesting story. Shit, but i guess necessary, music.
Ah yes. The early L.A. punk scene. Killer ideals, larger than life personalities, a bunch of genuine punks. But half the music is unlistenable.
Goes to show how dangerous Christianity is. Especially with people who have mental illness taking it seriously. I believe John may have been schizophrenic and had a split personality disorder. From what I gathered he seemed like a good guy protecting kids from cops and bouncers but he had other issues as well.
That is such a narrowminded ignorant thing to say you can’t blame religion blame mental illness
Religión is a product of mental illness and ignorance.Fear and guilt are great tools to manipulate the masses.you got tons of sociópats trying to manipulate others ,people alucinating and talking with god , people believing the most absurd stuff.
What a terrible band.
But the band isn't very good
homosexuals lol
You misunderstood things I guess :
No octogon involved.