Yup. And even earlier. I got really sad when they introduced PNP and eventually got rid of jumpers and dip switches. I really felt that controll of computers where taken away from me. And I have had that feeling, every time that some new hardware and software where introduced, for the sake of user friendly computing. Instead of taking away control and choice, people should start learning to use the god darn thingy instead.
@videowatcherdeluxe Oh yeah I remember that! XF86Config and later, xorg.conf. The HorizSync and VeryRefresh. I was so happy when all of that could be dynamically figured out with EDID and VESA.
Funny how version numbers in 1993 was spent getting asymptotically closer to 0.99.99 when entire file systems were dropping onto the sourcetree between patch versions. 12:42 - Bug in tar. You'd expect these old as sand GNU / Unix utilities to have no major bugs because they've been worked on since the dawn of time but ... nope.
This video brings back some memories! I "chose" Yggdrasil as my first distribution of Linux (because it was the only one available in the computer shop) and it worked more or less OK out of the box... The user manual included a section with the following title: "How to install and run X Window without calling the fire department". I think I still have that CD somewhere. I was lucky that my PC happened to have one of the handful of video cards supported (Tseng Lab ET4000) and a Mitsumi CD-ROM ! The computer was also the absolute minimum spec: a 386SX-16 with 9MB or RAM (around 3 BOGOMIPS, if I recall correctly). My 100MB hard drive contained both Windows 3.1 and Linux. The swap partition was shared between the two OSs by formating it for DOS and using the same swap file. Compiling the kernel was a multi-hour process! I did get LILO to install though... A classmate installed Linux from floppies because he thought CD-ROMs were stupid as you could not write on them! He only had a handful of floppy disks, so he would download a few at school every day for several weeks.
It is amazing how advanced RISC OS was, given this timeline. Everything except the kernel (which was internally called MOS, which was the name of the BBC Micro operating system). RISC OS was actually a very early ARM processor operating system, created by Acorn Computers. Acorn actually created a graphics chip, IO chip, sound chip, that RISC OS used to run on. The ARM (Acorn Risc Machine) processor was also designed, in-house, by Acorn. The success of ARM led to Acorn being closed down (Acorn shares linked to ARM shares, so…) Apple Silicon is actually Acorn Silicon
Thanks for making the video, and showing that Linux once had the option of being booted from Dos. People refuse to believe me, when I mention that not only Novell Netware where booted up this way, but also early Linux. I only know this, because I actually did load Linux this way when I first used Linux. Or a year later. Or something. To be honest, I dont know if it was that early Slackware that I tried in first half of 1995 or it was some other Linux that I got from a cover CD in 1996. Anyway. It is so funny that people refuse to believe that Linux could be loaded from Dos. I was there. I did it my self. I know that it was possible. It is like when I wanted to buy a USB Floppy drive in 1997, and I went to the local electronics store. Yes, a giant chain at that point. And asked the one in charge of computers and consoles, where they kept their USB Floppy drives. And he just stared at me blank, and told me that there where no such thing and it where impossible to create. Because Floppy Disks where analog and USB where digital..... And I answered him that he really should not be selling computer stuff, and then left the shop.
The funny thing is I still can't get linux to work most of the time. Often times can't get past initial setup due to hardware issues or can't find updates.
Thanks for the video! My first attempt at installing Linux was in '98; I had Pentium II, but graphics was i740 - great for Quake and Lara, not so for X11. Best I got was ridiculous 320x200 res with only upper left 1/4 of 640x480 screen displayed 🤦♂
Ahh memories of building my first Linux box. I cross compiled the kernel, libc, coreutils, sysv-utils, lilo, ext2 tools, ftp, gcc, and some other bits on a sun4m server. Then built kernel and rootfs floppy images and copied them over to a Windows machine to put on two floppies. Then booted in on a 486/33MHz with 4MB of RAM. Boot on the new kernel / root, part and format the HD, set up lilo, set up sysv boot and config, install ftp, reboot, debug, reboot, etc until it worked, then ftp down gcc et al onto the machine then start the compile fest that took about a week or so to get X, etc working. after 9 months or recompiling linux, libc, X, etc every week I gave up and moved to Debian in about late '94. i even made a working termcap and terminfo for the Linux console to load onto our Sun servers so that I could use our helpdesk system.
Remember the difficulty of using fdisk & lilo in the days before stack overflow, but all that really happened was stuff getting more bloated & complicated to fill up rising search functionality.
I started trying Slackware in 1995, after introduction to Unix on a VAX terminal setup. And then in 96 and 97 I also tried Novell, RedHat and more distros. But I did it with dual boot. Or even tripple boot. Using anything from MS Dos 6.22 over OS/2 and to Win95. I did it as devellopment of computing in general evolved and progressed. Always learning something more than the average joe. Finally in 2016, I switched to Linux fully. Except for when I need to burn a ROM chip. The rom burner need WindowsXP/7 as there is no Linux or Unix software for it. Sadly. So I have a specific laptop for ROM burning, as the only thing.
Linux users today don’t know how hard we had it in the 90s
For example, installing Debian is very easy these days.
Yup. And even earlier. I got really sad when they introduced PNP and eventually got rid of jumpers and dip switches. I really felt that controll of computers where taken away from me. And I have had that feeling, every time that some new hardware and software where introduced, for the sake of user friendly computing. Instead of taking away control and choice, people should start learning to use the god darn thingy instead.
@@AdrianuX1985 :troll:
@@tibr 😂😂😂
Well, I actually remember. Started using linux in1994. Still using linux mainly.
It was really cool when you could get X running for a few hours back then! You pretty much never really expected it to stay working.
Yes, and there was always a risk of damaging your CRT monitor if you fked up the sync-timings
@videowatcherdeluxe Oh yeah I remember that! XF86Config and later, xorg.conf. The HorizSync and VeryRefresh. I was so happy when all of that could be dynamically figured out with EDID and VESA.
Funny how version numbers in 1993 was spent getting asymptotically closer to 0.99.99 when entire file systems were dropping onto the sourcetree between patch versions.
12:42 - Bug in tar. You'd expect these old as sand GNU / Unix utilities to have no major bugs because they've been worked on since the dawn of time but ... nope.
Really awesome series, I have been loving watching it. Thank you!
This video brings back some memories! I "chose" Yggdrasil as my first distribution of Linux (because it was the only one available in the computer shop) and it worked more or less OK out of the box... The user manual included a section with the following title: "How to install and run X Window without calling the fire department". I think I still have that CD somewhere. I was lucky that my PC happened to have one of the handful of video cards supported (Tseng Lab ET4000) and a Mitsumi CD-ROM ! The computer was also the absolute minimum spec: a 386SX-16 with 9MB or RAM (around 3 BOGOMIPS, if I recall correctly). My 100MB hard drive contained both Windows 3.1 and Linux. The swap partition was shared between the two OSs by formating it for DOS and using the same swap file. Compiling the kernel was a multi-hour process! I did get LILO to install though...
A classmate installed Linux from floppies because he thought CD-ROMs were stupid as you could not write on them! He only had a handful of floppy disks, so he would download a few at school every day for several weeks.
It is amazing how advanced RISC OS was, given this timeline. Everything except the kernel (which was internally called MOS, which was the name of the BBC Micro operating system).
RISC OS was actually a very early ARM processor operating system, created by Acorn Computers. Acorn actually created a graphics chip, IO chip, sound chip, that RISC OS used to run on.
The ARM (Acorn Risc Machine) processor was also designed, in-house, by Acorn. The success of ARM led to Acorn being closed down (Acorn shares linked to ARM shares, so…)
Apple Silicon is actually Acorn Silicon
Hmmm.... I only know one thing connected to MOS. And that was the people who created the 6502 and VIC-II.
This series is gold
Thanks for making the video, and showing that Linux once had the option of being booted from Dos. People refuse to believe me, when I mention that not only Novell Netware where booted up this way, but also early Linux. I only know this, because I actually did load Linux this way when I first used Linux. Or a year later. Or something. To be honest, I dont know if it was that early Slackware that I tried in first half of 1995 or it was some other Linux that I got from a cover CD in 1996.
Anyway. It is so funny that people refuse to believe that Linux could be loaded from Dos. I was there. I did it my self. I know that it was possible.
It is like when I wanted to buy a USB Floppy drive in 1997, and I went to the local electronics store. Yes, a giant chain at that point. And asked the one in charge of computers and consoles, where they kept their USB Floppy drives. And he just stared at me blank, and told me that there where no such thing and it where impossible to create. Because Floppy Disks where analog and USB where digital..... And I answered him that he really should not be selling computer stuff, and then left the shop.
The funny thing is I still can't get linux to work most of the time. Often times can't get past initial setup due to hardware issues or can't find updates.
Thanks for the video! My first attempt at installing Linux was in '98; I had Pentium II, but graphics was i740 - great for Quake and Lara, not so for X11. Best I got was ridiculous 320x200 res with only upper left 1/4 of 640x480 screen displayed 🤦♂
Ahh memories of building my first Linux box. I cross compiled the kernel, libc, coreutils, sysv-utils, lilo, ext2 tools, ftp, gcc, and some other bits on a sun4m server. Then built kernel and rootfs floppy images and copied them over to a Windows machine to put on two floppies. Then booted in on a 486/33MHz with 4MB of RAM. Boot on the new kernel / root, part and format the HD, set up lilo, set up sysv boot and config, install ftp, reboot, debug, reboot, etc until it worked, then ftp down gcc et al onto the machine then start the compile fest that took about a week or so to get X, etc working. after 9 months or recompiling linux, libc, X, etc every week I gave up and moved to Debian in about late '94.
i even made a working termcap and terminfo for the Linux console to load onto our Sun servers so that I could use our helpdesk system.
Remember the difficulty of using fdisk & lilo in the days before stack overflow, but all that really happened was stuff getting more bloated & complicated to fill up rising search functionality.
1993 is when I discover linux. My oldest distro running today is slackware 3.0, linux 1.2.13 running on a 486 dx 2/66 Dec PC
Getting Slackware Linux running on my Packard Bell in 1998 was hard.
I gave up for a couple of years and came back when Red Hat 5.2 was released, been running Linux ever since though.
I started trying Slackware in 1995, after introduction to Unix on a VAX terminal setup. And then in 96 and 97 I also tried Novell, RedHat and more distros. But I did it with dual boot. Or even tripple boot. Using anything from MS Dos 6.22 over OS/2 and to Win95. I did it as devellopment of computing in general evolved and progressed. Always learning something more than the average joe. Finally in 2016, I switched to Linux fully. Except for when I need to burn a ROM chip. The rom burner need WindowsXP/7 as there is no Linux or Unix software for it. Sadly. So I have a specific laptop for ROM burning, as the only thing.
Slackware 1 was my first distro... lucky me!
Same here....
Was that window manager TWM ?
😢two hours and 51 floppy disks... That hutrts 😅
Same pain as installing MS Office 4.2 on Win-3.11. I can not remember if it was 42 or 48 floppy disks. Also OS/2 on floppy. Yup.
Why did you just upload a video of installing the latest Arch build
I can't help but seeing the ffmpeg enthusiast saying all this.
Linux users today will recognise everything in this video
I struggled with Linux regardless of what year it is.
It was a pain in the ass to mess with and clunky
Windows 12 ? I dont think so...
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