Improving Hall Effects on the Elite Series 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ย. 2024
- A video showing (some of) the lengthy process of installing Hall Effect Thumbsticks on the Elite Series 2, as well as various strategies to further improve preformance. I've had a few people ask about the "bent middle pin" method for calibration boards, so thats the method I used here. I did NOT connect the LT magnet compensation due to plans to install "Mouse-click" Triggers on this build.
If you'd like to attempt the Ginfull v.5 sensor swap, the most important thing is that they fit SNUG. If you file/sand even a fraction of a millimeter too much, the sensor wont be snug ENOUGH resulting in re-centering issues.
FYI - a sensor swap can also be done with Gulikit's TMR sensors! No filing/sanding would be necessary in that case, so likely the preferable option if you've got them around.
Whether you swap for Ginfulls or Gulikit TMR's, they must go onto adjustable tension HALL EFFECT modules, NOT an Alps Series 2 module.
Parts Sources
Ginfull v.5 Hall Effects
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Adjustable Tension Hall Effects + Calibration Boards
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Gulikit TMR's
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MuMetal Magnetic Shielding
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EDIT 11/20/24
Microsoft just released Series 2 calibration in the app for everyone! Adjustable Tension Hall Effects + Gulikit TMR sensors + my custom stick bases = Currently the best performance on Elite Series 2! No Calibration Boards needed!
I am testing some Hall Effect/TMR calibrations that were done NOT with these calibration boards, but with a pre-release version of an Xbox system update that added Elite Series 2 compatibility to the Accessories App Calibration. Results are good so far, so maybe soon we won't have a need for those boards anymore! 🤞🤞
Apparently, the application that Xbox launched to calibrate its joysticks is not compatible with magnetic joysticks, it does not detect them, and after performing the calibration they work worse than before. Have you tested the operation of this Xbox application to calibrate the joysticks, both with original joysticks and magnetic joysticks? Greetings!
@@danii1623 yes I've had both successes and failures using hall effects. It's risky because the app has bricked controllers of mine before... But the most recent 2 I did are working perfectly.
Nice video, nice to see how this actually works. I will be sending my Elite Series 2 in soon for this mod and a couple more, thank you for giving new life to my controller that lasted all of 3 months, that will likely now last for years.
Thank you for this video. It answers a lot of questions that I had because you must be the only one to have really made a video on the installation of hall effects on an Elite 2. There are others but they systematically replaced the tension sticks adjustable by classic sticks which means that it was impossible for me to know if the magnetic part which allows changing the caps was causing interference which was until now my main question and concern. The fact that there really is such a fine material that acts as a magnetic shield encourages me a lot because I couldn't figure out if the ones I found were just a scam or if they really worked.
I'm still waiting for some gear ordered on AliExpress to start my experience. I bought Elite 2 sticks sold with the calibration PCBs and I plan to put TMR modules in them (which I'm still waiting for) but all on a classic Series S/X controller (even if it means having to change the sticks, as much in take with more options). The TMRs theoretically have no interference with the controller triggers (compared to hall effects) and I am thinking of trying without the PCB. The fact that this is a regular controller without the magnets that you hide behind a magnetic shield saves me from having to worry about that. I just hope I don't have to buy any to stick some on the magnets in the cap.
@@thesilencer8074 I just did a controller just like that! Adjustable Tension Hall effects with TMR sensors on a Series X/S controller. I rolled the dice and used the App for calibration (it's randomly completely bricked controllers before) and luckily this time it turned out perfectly! Good luck on your project!
@@AtomicMike421hey, have you ran in to this bricking issue since then? Is this something I need to worry about? Also it turns out I have access to the calibration tool on the accessories app for the elite s2, so my other question is what’s the best setup that you recommend?
Perhaps a few questions you can clarify?
1. In the Description you mention GuliKit TMR would have to go onto _adjustable tension HALL EFFECT modules._ - What would that be? Are you referring to the type of Elite Series Gimbal with the threaded Stem? Can the original Elite Series Gimbal be used for that or does it still require the purchase of an aftermarket Hall Effect one ( followed by replacing the Hall Effect with TMR )?
2. I just watched an iFixit Video covering the installation of GuliKit TMR into a regular Xbox Series X/S ( nonElite ) Controller which didn't make use of the Flex PCBs you've used in your Video - What is the story behind those Flex PCBs and are they required for GuliKit TMR or is this just a leftover thing from the previous generation Hall Effect ones? I assume the Bent Pin thing is also only relevant to when you use said Flex PCBs?
3. Is the sheet of MUT004-4 still necessary for when using GuliKit TMR or is it only a Hall Effect thing?
@@Duraltia 1. In my experience, it is far better to use adjustable tension hall effects (the ones with blue/green sensors) INSTEAD of regular Elite series 2 modules.
2. The flex PCB is ONLY needed if you DO NOT have access to software calibration. Series X/S controllers can be calibrated thru the Accessories App, so the flex PCB is not needed. Furthermore, if you are an Xbox Insider and have access to the version on the Accessories App that supports Elite 2 calibration, same thing, no flex needed in that case.
3. MuMetal is only required if you do NOT use Gulikit TMR sensors, the TMR sensors are effective at blocking magnetic interference from everything EXCEPT the magnetic stick bases, which I have customs ones without magnets to get around that issue as well.
This looks sick! I already sent an email, can't wait to start discussing my controller with you
Any idea of if GuliKit will make Elite 2 TMR modules, now that you can calibrate it on the app?
@@TRUCollectors I don't know that they will, but honestly they don't need to, just put TMR sensors on adjustable tension (elite 2) hall effects, and a pair of my stick bases to avoid magnetic interference, and calibrated with the app that combo works PERFECTLY, (I do this in my latest video, on a series x controller) it's the most common request from customers and everyone seems to love them, myself included lol
Sent you a message through your website over a week ago and also sent an email. Hope to get a response soon so we can do business! Considering trying this myself but looks like I would be spending 80 bucks in parts so just wondering how much it is to let the pro do it.
Do you accept custom orders? My Elite 2 controller recently broke, and I was planning to buy a new one. This time, I’d like to upgrade it with a few features:
1. Hall effect joysticks
2. Clicky hair triggers
3. Back paddle enhancement pads
4. ABXY clicky buttons
I also noticed that you replace bumpers and triggers with more durable ones, so I would like that as well.
@AtomicMike421 hello, I put one hall analog into my Elite V2 controller, exactly the one you have at the beginning of the video (green and blue side) after configuration through the Xbox application it is ok but only temporarily because the analog decalibrated after a while and you can do this forever. It seems that the controller's motherboard does not work with these analogs as well as with alps analogs, which is why the calibration resets after a short time.
@@przemekwitczak4243 yes the blue/green sensors have issues with the calibration software. You need to use either the Ginfulls with curved magnets OR what I use every time now are the Gulikit TMR sensors (no need to file the module, they fit right on it). However even doing it this way poses issues due to the magnetic stick bases, which is why I developed custom stick bases that are compatible with series 2 sticks to circumvent this issue.
A question, why did you change the green and blue joysticks that are specific for the Elite Series 2 controller, the side magnets for the yellow and black ones? I don't know if you already tried and they don't work well, or you like the way the yellow and black joystick magnets work better. Could you tell me why you changed them? Thank you very much, very good video!! since there is not much information about these joysticks for the Xbox Elite 2.
Yes it's absolutely not necessary, the v5 Ginfulls are slightly more accurate and a bit easier to calibrate, that's all.
Hello, I dont get what the calibration board is needed for. Cant i just swap the standart sticks with hall effect sticks and calibrate through the little holes?
the little holes only calibrate the center point, and newer, more accurate hall effects dont have that option. the boards are mainly for calibrating range, ensuring you have full range in all directions as well as the range not going too far outside the circle in diagonals.
Amazing ❤
Thanks for fhe video. Im about to get started on my own ginfull v.5 upgrade in a few weeks but wondering where to go to unstand what you were soldering? I noticed you soldered some little resistors which threw me for a loop since i only though you needed to solder the pcb calibration boards to the main board.
@@deebs11218 those little diodes are only needed on Xbox, and should come with the calibration boards. Honestly I wouldn't recommend undertaking this as a first try at soldering, it's a bit more difficult than typical repair/upgrades.
@@AtomicMike421 I appreciate the warning and I've seen enough videos on this to know it isn't for the faint of heart. If I fail, I wont be too broken up about it.
Is there a way to get 1000hz polling rate on xbox elite series 2? I only heard xbox controllers are hardware sides locked but couldn´t find more information.
@@PaulStremme not to my knowledge, though it wouldn't surprise me if someone has found a way lol
After v5 and v51 are installed on the Xbox Series X controller, can I normally update the controller firmware when available and calibrate it from within the Xbox Series X itself?
Why did those yellow hall effects cause a bug after calibration?
It's very important that if you go the route of calibration boards, you do NOT attempt calibrating using the Accessories App, as this can cause all kinds of problems with competing calibrations. Also, I have run into situations where the latest firmware caused excess jitter, so may be the case that rolling back firmware is necessary for the most stable performance using the calibration boards. If using Ginful curved magnets or Gulikit TMRs on Series X/S, I recommend NOT using calibration boards and instead using the accessories app to calibrate. If using any other kind of hall effects, then the calibration boards are the way to go.
@@AtomicMike421 Thanks for replying!
I installed the v5 and v51 calibration boards on the Xbox Series X/S controller. I installed the hall effects from K-Silver. (It came with the manufacturer's recommended kit v5 and v51). My biggest question for those who installed the v5 and v51 PCBs would be whether they could update the controller's firmware normally or if there are problems when updating.
@@jonrodrigos yeah, I've had controllers that did have jitter problems after updating, and also controllers that did not have issues after updating. You can always roll back your firmware, so you can update and see if it works okay
perfect!
thanks, I'll try to do that.
Good job Brother
Wil the hall effect and the magnet in the tumpstick not interfere
do Gulikit's TMR sensors give you any problem taking into consideration the thumbstick have magnets?
@@noremalos1445 so after lots of testing, I've found its doable, but I've started exclusively using custom stick bases I 3d print, with no magnets, and are able to adjust the tension gradually instead of only 3 settings. May make a video on them soon. 👍
When attempting to do Gulikit's TMR sensors would you still have to use a calibration pcb?
In my experience, it may be possible if you position and install the module PERFECTLY. Which isn't a super difficult thing to do on other controllers... However for whatever reason, it's way more common on the Series 2 to need a few adjustments to get the module perfectly level with the board. Also the perfect height of the module from the board is also needed. Too high and the thumbstick bases will rub against the inside of the frame and feel awful. But too "low" and range will be lost likely in diagonals.
So to summarize, yes I do think it's possible, but the margin for error is so insanely small... So I certainly wouldn't count on it. Lol
Hey there!
I have a question, or rather need help 😅
I installed ginfull HE sticks in my Elite v1, manually calibrated them nearly perfectly but... When i install my back paddles, the right stick goes crazy! What gives? Any idea how can i fix that?
@@MrKingPing it's the magnet interference coming from the paddles I would think. I solve this on elite series 2 with MuMetal (info in description) I assume it would work on series 1 as well? May also want to make sure the paddle/magnet isn't actually making contact with one of the pins on the right stick, just a piece of electrical tape covering either the paddles/magnets from the inside, or the solder points of the right stick. If issue persists after the tape, then it's magnetic interference for sure
@@AtomicMike421 by electrical tape you mean the Faraday tape? Also shouldn't the magnets interfere right away after assembling the controller? Why are they going nuts only after mounting the back paddles? 😭😭
@@MrKingPing no electrical tape is just to prevent a short or any pin from the back of the stick module contacting the MuMetal. Not sure why the paddles themselves would change anything aside from maybe slightly altering the magnetic field already coming from the magnets..?
I am currently only using the first alternative with the driver board, but I am having problems with the calibration.
I can only get to mode A (Center Point) I can't get to mode B/S at all, what could be the problem? I'm desperate, since then I can't present my work
@@pavogear9190 if you can't get into mode b/s, then it probably has something to do with the soldering on either end of the diode. I would resolder those points, making sure the negative end is soldered to the pin, and positive end is soldered to the board.
@@AtomicMike421 Thank you for your answer.
You mean the black diode that you also have to solder on, right?
@@pavogear9190 yep
Hey @AtomicMike421 do you have link to where you get your favor union Xbox Hall effects or a place you recommend? I’m having troubles finding them (only finding ps5 ones)
@@folgee7368 sure thing brother, here ya go:
a.aliexpress.com/_mLcA588
@@AtomicMike421 Thank you brother!
Wait I thought with the new orange and black replacements you dont need to do all those extra step ???
@@duby149 this is true if you have access to calibration software, which I did not at the time of making this video... However now that I do, thankfully the calibration boards are a thing of the past haha.
@@AtomicMike421 got any links to the parts and software?
@itsyab0y parts list in description, Xbox accessories app with series 2 calibration is only available to Xbox insider members. There is a workaround to getting that version working on PC, I'll see if I can find the link. If software calibrating with TMR sensors, MuMetal is not needed, however the magnetic stick bases will interfere. I have non-magnetic bases available on my site to get around this.
@@AtomicMike421 black and orange replacement is the Ginfull v.5 Hall Effects right? I have bought one and hoping to solder it myself. do i still need Adjustable Tension Hall Effects + Calibration Boards?
@RexusSyafwanRS the key is to make sure the magnets are curved (semi circles) and NOT straight (rectangles). You only need the calibration boards if you DONT have access to software calibration.
Where were you able to purchase ginfull v5 HE, I cant seem to find them :(
nvm, I reloded your video and the description gave them!
@@folgee7368 yup, sometimes they are called v4 SE or something.... But the important thing is the curved magnets.
@@AtomicMike421 What is the difference between version v3 with rectangular magnets and this version v4 with curved magnets?
@@danii1623 better circularity, easier calibration
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@@OldAndyFitia hahah good ear!
what pcb board holder are you using?
These - www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832769564060.html?channel=twinner
Good Shit, couldve had some Nu-metal while installing the Mu-metal.😂
Too bad your bumpers and paddles will break in a week
@@n64slayer nope cuz I replace those with far more durable ones haha
@AtomicMike421 that's fair but I'd rather get any other controller 😅
@@n64slayer haha hey man to each their own, I use an Elite Series 1 as my main LOL
@@AtomicMike421 I mainly use 3rd party because they are actually good out of the box 🤷♂️