This video is amazing. I’ve never seen this type of heating until today that I moved to a new house in UK and it was freezing! With your video I could understand perfectly how it works and how I should operate it and even check myself if is not working. Amazing. Very well explained. Thanks!
Hi Matt, good informative video, a couple of things I’d like to point out though. I work on storage heaters quite often as my work is all for the social housing sector. The first thing, like someone else has mentioned, never ever remove that internal cover until you have checked if that model of heater has Asbestos inside it. There are 100’s of older models that do including Dimplex ones, you really should point that out or put a disclaimer on the video regarding that. You also take a different approach to how I inspect and fault find them. Removing that internal cover and bricks is normally the last thing I would do, totally unnecessary in most cases. Just doing a simple continuity test to check the resistance of all 4 elements will tell you the condition of them, and if reading not as expected you can then test the resistance of each element individually, which can still be done without removing internal cover and bricks. This method is also better as a lot of the time on a typical economy 7 system you do not have that hour boost during the daytime, so will be testing on a dead circuit. The majority of the time it’s just the thermal cut out that needs resetting, but from time to time I do replace the elements, thermostats or repair replace burnt out cables e.t.c, but always find a continuity test the best starting point. Agree with you on the operation of the dials though.
Hi. Wow thanks for taking the time for such a detailed message. All points are very valid... Matt wanted to show our learners the inside of a storage heater (space heater) as it’s construction is part of an assignment he administers. As you can tell there is no real issues with the heater, maybe a different approach could have been considered. However the content the on site with Matt’s provides is valuable to his students. Thanks so much for watching and commenting GSH Electrical 👍
@@GSHElectrical A really good explanation dude! 👍 I was thinking....the thermal camera on my CAT 62 pro phone would be able to see the heat, & give on-screen temperature readings of each individual element when the heater is powered-on, without taking-off the covers. 🤔🙂
Great video, always interesting to see real world fault finding, also an interesting talking point is it is not always the equipment that is faulty, sometimes you Can attend fault finding and the outcome be the client is not familiar with the correct ways operate the appliance optimally and is in need of guidance. I guess something in situations of regular turn over tenants or purchasing a property with existing appliances.
Extremely useful, Thank you! This is the exact same model and size as my storage heaters. I'd never experienced this type heating until I moved into a new flat recently, and its been a shock financially! Each heater is costing me £1 an hour. Is this normal? Even with just 2 heaters its costing me £14 a day to heat the flat. Also, despite having the output dial at the minimum, the heaters are very hot in the night, once the Economy 7 turns them on. I'll take the cover off and check the vents are working properly, and maybe also check the thermostat?
I have three of these very same heaters. 1x XL12 in the hall and 2x in the living-room, larger XL18s The two living-room ones are not working. Vents closed thermostat on boost. Left that way overnight but still stone cold in the morning. Power supply is on at the wall switches and mains board
Thank you, great video, now I understand about the output being a physical flap that opens and releases more heat. So I can switch it off at the wall during the day and the output will continue to be right as it's mechanical/physical flap. Also, how were you able to switch it on there in the morning and get heat into the elements - don't they only draw energy at night? Thanks again very much for the information, so important for people like me, budget conscious storage heater users
In these storage heater is a safty cut off located near the power in switch which will disconnect if items are placed on the vents of heater which I have had to reset as people do cover vents he screws in the bottom on heater are 7 millermeter sockets head's
After a few years old the Dail switches brake at the bottom and will cost 8 pounds for a pair it's the heat that brakes them advise once set leave along prolong the life
I've never used or owned storage heaters so I am unfamiliar with how they work so watching this has given me some insight. Those heater elements heat the bricks overnight with cheap rate leccy and those bricks are made from such a material that will retain the heat and release it slowly enough to keep a house warm enough all day and maybe night time too, even in the depths of the coldest winter? What material are those bricks made out of?
Also, how does the heater know when is economy seven and to draw input? Is it only linked in to the economy seven electrical in the house??? Thank you, i don't understand but have to use them and trying to balance bills with heating (as we all do...!)
Thanks for the video. I worked as a mate when I retired and my first job was building these things all day.....humphing bricks upstairs is no fun! I'm not a spark but have worked as a mate off and on....how do you check the heater if they're on a time switch that only powers them up overnight? Do you do the work at night? Also, I've found occasionally they overheat and trip. There is a reset button under the cover near the thermostat control.
Hi. I also as an apprentice had to carry the brick all day long. The system normally has a one hour boost button. Thanks for you detailed comment and watching GSH Electrical 👍
GrumpyGrampa - You can check the operation of the storage heater by disconnecting the circuit from the off-peak consumer unit and connecting it temporarily using a lead to a 24 hour supply.
I think it’s a good idea to advise people who are potentially going to work on these things to check with the manufacturer whether the insulation panels are asbestos or not before taking them apart as some are
It is way easier to use a small amp clamp to measure the current flow to test the unit. You don’t have to open the inner panel to do it. Would have taken less than 5 minutes to test the elements.
Great video Matt. It does beg the question as to why storage heaters are so expensive when the units are so simple and the components are cheap, at least from what I have found. I have a problem with a similar Creda storage heater with four elements. One side hot, the other side clearly not. Already had 2 elements replaced just over a year ago and expect the other two have gone now. If replacing the elements, how are they removed and new ones fitted? Or do you have that in another video? :-)
The elements are connected at the bottom into plastic blocks with a grub screw for each connector. Trouble is they get very seized up with time and heat. Use the right size screwdriver and make sure it’s a good one, push in hard as you turn
@@nicholascarter2640 - Many thanks. I eventually decided to replace all elements in all the heaters, 7 elements in total across 3 heaters, so it was a good exercise and resulted in a very happy tenant. Certainly it seems best to use a mask whilst taking storage heaters apart as they can have a considerable amount of dust and dirt inside.
@@thebrightsideofthemoon5829 - Hi. The elements either work or they don't, so I don't think you'll get "half the heat" from an old element, for example. I presume it will either use the full 850w of power or not. They're either on or off, unless one of the electricians can correct me. The house was very warm last time I visited my tenant. These storage heaters are 26 years old, yet barely any design change to the latest one's. A great way to have heating if you're at home most of the day.
@@monsterp1970 , I'm glad you told me that, I was thinking about replacing mine to see if it would give me more heat. Mine stopped working totally but after watching TH-cam videos on how to reset it, it's back up running.
Another great and really informative video from you guys. . Before dismantling , would you not have been better off PAT testing the appliance ? I PAT tested one recently which failed the insulation resistance test suggesting that it was an element that had failed. This one would have passed I presume? Which may well have saved you from having to dismantle it with the associated risk of asbestos which is present is in some types of storage heaters? Adrian
Is it normal for a storage heater to let out heat while it's storing at night? The output is turned all the way down, but if I'm up early (or late), like 3am, the heater is red hot.
Well I opened it up, hoovered the dust and fluff , pressed the reset switch down ( little metal thing) , and now it's working better than it ever has done, giving our more heat than before, I was just going to buy a second hand one tomorrow as well
You often cannot see the model number until you take the bloody things off of the wall and as such check the model number for asbestos. Good video though
Conclusion: there is no fault, other than the design fault of storage heaters - they do not insulate the heat while charging. The only way to get them hot during the day is to have them being super hot during the night by charging them at full power. Turning the output to zero while charging makes no difference.
pmailkeey did you watch the video? When the cover was first removed the flap was fully shut. Having voltage at the elements doesn’t mean they are working, you would have to check current draw which would have been tricky, Matt’s choices was by far the easiest method.
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Thanks to Matt for adding on site content to this channel 👍. Hope you enjoy an insight to the electrical industry from Matts point of view.
how long does heat stand in this beauty?
This video is amazing. I’ve never seen this type of heating until today that I moved to a new house in UK and it was freezing! With your video I could understand perfectly how it works and how I should operate it and even check myself if is not working. Amazing. Very well explained. Thanks!
😁👍
This is the best explanation video on how to work storage heaters I've seen 👍
Thanks 👍
Never used a storage heater before and didn’t know how to operate. That’s a helpful video.
Hi Matt, good informative video, a couple of things I’d like to point out though.
I work on storage heaters quite often as my work is all for the social housing sector.
The first thing, like someone else has mentioned, never ever remove that internal cover until you have checked if that model of heater has Asbestos inside it. There are 100’s of older models that do including Dimplex ones, you really should point that out or put a disclaimer on the video regarding that.
You also take a different approach to how I inspect and fault find them. Removing that internal cover and bricks is normally the last thing I would do, totally unnecessary in most cases. Just doing a simple continuity test to check the resistance of all 4 elements will tell you the condition of them, and if reading not as expected you can then test the resistance of each element individually, which can still be done without removing internal cover and bricks. This method is also better as a lot of the time on a typical economy 7 system you do not have that hour boost during the daytime, so will be testing on a dead circuit. The majority of the time it’s just the thermal cut out that needs resetting, but from time to time I do replace the elements, thermostats or repair replace burnt out cables e.t.c, but always find a continuity test the best starting point.
Agree with you on the operation of the dials though.
Hi. Wow thanks for taking the time for such a detailed message. All points are very valid... Matt wanted to show our learners the inside of a storage heater (space heater) as it’s construction is part of an assignment he administers. As you can tell there is no real issues with the heater, maybe a different approach could have been considered. However the content the on site with Matt’s provides is valuable to his students. Thanks so much for watching and commenting GSH Electrical 👍
Hi Darren,
I agree with you absolutely!
I also work in the social sector and your method is the same as mines 👍🏼
Would like to know how to reset the cut out on a storage heater when it has been covered. Thank you.
@@GSHElectrical A really good explanation dude! 👍 I was thinking....the thermal camera on my CAT 62 pro phone would be able to see the heat, & give on-screen temperature readings of each individual element when the heater is powered-on, without taking-off the covers. 🤔🙂
@@videostarishczy ten telefon spełnił to zadanie?
Doing a Installation of these next week your video has helped me so much thanks
No problem... your welcome 👍
Great video, always interesting to see real world fault finding, also an interesting talking point is it is not always the equipment that is faulty, sometimes you Can attend fault finding and the outcome be the client is not familiar with the correct ways operate the appliance optimally and is in need of guidance. I guess something in situations of regular turn over tenants or purchasing a property with existing appliances.
Thank you for this. Very helpful step by step explanation. Much appreciated.
Extremely useful, Thank you! This is the exact same model and size as my storage heaters. I'd never experienced this type heating until I moved into a new flat recently, and its been a shock financially! Each heater is costing me £1 an hour. Is this normal? Even with just 2 heaters its costing me £14 a day to heat the flat. Also, despite having the output dial at the minimum, the heaters are very hot in the night, once the Economy 7 turns them on. I'll take the cover off and check the vents are working properly, and maybe also check the thermostat?
I have three of these very same heaters. 1x XL12 in the hall and 2x in the living-room, larger XL18s The two living-room ones are not working. Vents closed thermostat on boost. Left that way overnight but still stone cold in the morning. Power supply is on at the wall switches and mains board
Thank you, great video, now I understand about the output being a physical flap that opens and releases more heat. So I can switch it off at the wall during the day and the output will continue to be right as it's mechanical/physical flap.
Also, how were you able to switch it on there in the morning and get heat into the elements - don't they only draw energy at night? Thanks again very much for the information, so important for people like me, budget conscious storage heater users
Never knew this. Thank you for the video
Thanks for watching
Very informative, thank you
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In these storage heater is a safty cut off located near the power in switch which will disconnect if items are placed on the vents of heater which I have had to reset as people do cover vents he screws in the bottom on heater are 7 millermeter sockets head's
Working in social housing ive had to replace some of these. Good video
After a few years old the Dail switches brake at the bottom and will cost 8 pounds for a pair it's the heat that brakes them advise once set leave along prolong the life
I've never used or owned storage heaters so I am unfamiliar with how they work so watching this has given me some insight. Those heater elements heat the bricks overnight with cheap rate leccy and those bricks are made from such a material that will retain the heat and release it slowly enough to keep a house warm enough all day and maybe night time too, even in the depths of the coldest winter? What material are those bricks made out of?
Crap in minus temperatures... doesnt keep the house warm
Also, how does the heater know when is economy seven and to draw input? Is it only linked in to the economy seven electrical in the house??? Thank you, i don't understand but have to use them and trying to balance bills with heating (as we all do...!)
Thanks for the video. I worked as a mate when I retired and my first job was building these things all day.....humphing bricks upstairs is no fun! I'm not a spark but have worked as a mate off and on....how do you check the heater if they're on a time switch that only powers them up overnight? Do you do the work at night? Also, I've found occasionally they overheat and trip. There is a reset button under the cover near the thermostat control.
Hi. I also as an apprentice had to carry the brick all day long. The system normally has a one hour boost button. Thanks for you detailed comment and watching GSH Electrical 👍
GrumpyGrampa - You can check the operation of the storage heater by disconnecting the circuit from the off-peak consumer unit and connecting it temporarily using a lead to a 24 hour supply.
I think it’s a good idea to advise people who are potentially going to work on these things to check with the manufacturer whether the insulation panels are asbestos or not before taking them apart as some are
It is way easier to use a small amp clamp to measure the current flow to test the unit. You don’t have to open the inner panel to do it. Would have taken less than 5 minutes to test the elements.
Great video Matt. It does beg the question as to why storage heaters are so expensive when the units are so simple and the components are cheap, at least from what I have found.
I have a problem with a similar Creda storage heater with four elements. One side hot, the other side clearly not. Already had 2 elements replaced just over a year ago and expect the other two have gone now.
If replacing the elements, how are they removed and new ones fitted? Or do you have that in another video? :-)
The elements are connected at the bottom into plastic blocks with a grub screw for each connector. Trouble is they get very seized up with time and heat. Use the right size screwdriver and make sure it’s a good one, push in hard as you turn
@@nicholascarter2640 - Many thanks. I eventually decided to replace all elements in all the heaters, 7 elements in total across 3 heaters, so it was a good exercise and resulted in a very happy tenant. Certainly it seems best to use a mask whilst taking storage heaters apart as they can have a considerable amount of dust and dirt inside.
@@monsterp1970 did it make a great difference in heat changing the elements?
@@thebrightsideofthemoon5829 - Hi. The elements either work or they don't, so I don't think you'll get "half the heat" from an old element, for example. I presume it will either use the full 850w of power or not. They're either on or off, unless one of the electricians can correct me.
The house was very warm last time I visited my tenant. These storage heaters are 26 years old, yet barely any design change to the latest one's. A great way to have heating if you're at home most of the day.
@@monsterp1970 , I'm glad you told me that, I was thinking about replacing mine to see if it would give me more heat. Mine stopped working totally but after watching TH-cam videos on how to reset it, it's back up running.
4:30 - I would be getting the cordless Dewalt screwdriver on that 😃
Another great and really informative video from you guys. . Before dismantling , would you not have been better off PAT testing the appliance ? I PAT tested one recently which failed the insulation resistance test suggesting that it was an element that had failed. This one would have passed I presume? Which may well have saved you from having to dismantle it with the associated risk of asbestos which is present is in some types of storage heaters? Adrian
These days you won't get asbestos in these
Got a simple trick witch saved my radiator 👍
I've been giving what looks like chalk out of n old heater, is it asbestos ?
Ah storage heaters, the equivalent of an 8 liter V8 to go get groceries.
So heat can only come out of the top vent?
The metal inside cover edges can cut your hands if you are not careful I would wear gloves for this.
Is it normal for a storage heater to let out heat while it's storing at night? The output is turned all the way down, but if I'm up early (or late), like 3am, the heater is red hot.
But the input thermostat could still be faulty, just because it came on for a few while dosnt mean it will take a full charge.
This storage heater it's toooo easy
Is there asbestos in these?
My storage heating has suddenly stopped working totally, but the normal heater still works, the fuse box is ok. Any ideas what the fault is ?
Well I opened it up, hoovered the dust and fluff , pressed the reset switch down ( little metal thing) , and now it's working better than it ever has done, giving our more heat than before, I was just going to buy a second hand one tomorrow as well
You often cannot see the model number until you take the bloody things off of the wall and as such check the model number for asbestos. Good video though
I take it the heater was not on economy 7 for you to be able to test it?
Hi. I haven’t talked with Matt but it could be heat wise 10 and or have a boost button. Thanks for commenting and watching GSH Electrical 👍
I am usually using extension lead to get a temporary supply , just to prove
Conclusion: there is no fault, other than the design fault of storage heaters - they do not insulate the heat while charging. The only way to get them hot during the day is to have them being super hot during the night by charging them at full power. Turning the output to zero while charging makes no difference.
Sounds like incorrect use can really put the "rage" in "storage heater".
Great quote
We produce heating elements and equipment. Small or large.
Please put a web page up or where to get more information.I am interested in getting elements made.
Hi Mat. So are we saying it was what I call user error.
Hi it’s Gaz. From watching and editing it I would agree. The output vent was fully open. Thanks for commenting and watching 👍
pmailkeey did you watch the video? When the cover was first removed the flap was fully shut. Having voltage at the elements doesn’t mean they are working, you would have to check current draw which would have been tricky, Matt’s choices was by far the easiest method.
Nothing about checking there is no asbestos!
When people repeat what you say here about adjusting the controls, are they propagandists repeating lies, or do they just speak from ignorance?
Very good job. If you are looking for a supplier of heating pipes, contact me，we have our own factory in China. Our quality and price will not disappoint you.
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