UK parliament descends into chaos over Gaza ceasefire vote. 22.2.24 0917am Some vast convoluted cosmic joke I didn't get. I watched the comedy show new statesman as a lad - with interest.... In reference to that old timey classic - and some high handed espionage - I am thinking someone slipped some amended notes into your highly polished notes about the amendments to the vote you all wanted to amend should the vote take place which merely meant the government's amendment would need be dealt with as Starmer (der sturmer) and co. agreed, anyway...even though they were the only ones who got to vote due the highly contentious stringing out of a heap load of b.s... so they could all get last bus home, thus missing the vote...and the government were last seen in in pub, heads in hands, exclaiming: ohhhh nooooo..we might have to do some work, mean what we say............a puerile response to a puerile response to a set of consumer conscious dictates ie: they're all thinking about their arms deals and contracts.... i than' yow.
Its ridiculous. Theyre laughing, jeering, bickering, screaming and shouting. Can you imagine even small children behaving this way in school? I understand there needs to be impassioned debate", but this is a mockery of that
school children don't have the experience of adulthood, fully developed emotions or padded salaries granting luxury living with fine dining and fancy resorts. these people do.
Has there ever been a bigger disconnect between the system and the people? On issues that British people do have serious and justified concerns about, politicians do nothing. They need to be removed and replaced with people who do want to deal with the real issues we face asap for all our sakes.
It's called deflection. Everyone today is talking about the Gaza vote....why is it even a topic on the agenda with the current state of affairs in this Country?
UK parliament descends into chaos over Gaza ceasefire vote 0922am 22.2.24 allegedly 85000 a year's chicken feed. i wouldn't mind that kindda wage packet. saves me wandering about claiming dole money... p.s those with the biggest gobs dont necessarily have anything to day. call yourself a government... this is all to oust the speaker make a mess of stuff and....
@@ASSASIN7-sd5sr You do realise that Israel in its own right is a nuclear power and very wealthy. They don't receive a single penny from the UK and would laugh at any ceasefire request the UK made
@@ASSASIN7-sd5sr ??? Hamas have had BILLIONS poured in which has mostly gone to underground cities, thousands of rockets and munitians, and lavish lifestyles for the leaders such as Sinwar.
nobody is getting killed or slaughtered in UK. but your tax dollars are slaughtering innocent people in Gaza by giving Israel government all sort of weapons
They are looking for a way out so as to not offend there masters. Their masters are not the British people but like the US the powerful lobbies. A way to weaken these power structures is to be mindful where you spend your money. It may seem a bargain at first but they will get it back through the tax system.
If this is how MPs behave in parliament what hope is there for a government to function properly. Disgraceful behaviour. Western democracy in the UK isn't fit for purpose. Imagine seeing this behaviour in business or education.
Imagine if this lot tried to get an actual job, they’d be in a disciplinary and potentially dismissed with this kind of ill behaviour, yet we continue to pay their wages
Yes, they all slithered out the door when the topic of excess deaths in England was brought up, they have zero interest in us, they are not on our side.
What unfolded in the House of Commons yesterday shamed the UK. Our politicians chose to play politics as a game of arcane procedure, completely losing sight of the human dimension and cost: what is actually happening in the Israel/Hamas conflict in Gaza.
@@SamuelBlack84 Britain ultimately caused all of this with the Balfour Declaration. We just left it after WW2 and the lines we drew there between the proposed Israeli state and Palestinian state caused this endless war there.
housands in the streets suffering from extreme cold, rain, hunger, and discomfort, and under constant bombardment, to die? The war of annihilation of this people must be stopped because it is humanity and respect for international law, and the trial of Netanyahu, the killer of innocents and children, and the massacres that continue under diplomatic and military support
If those privileged MP want to vote for War ...their Family should be sent to the front line...as they have No Empathy for the people of Palestine, having their homes stolen whatsoever..and their family including their children are been killed and maimed daily..it is very upsetting ..😢
Nobody cried. Nobody complained that they couldn't vote after walking out. The Speaker, as I understand it, prevented the SNP voting on their own Opposition Day bill. Unacceptable.
His excuse is that Gaza supporters are intimidating MPs in public. It feels different now that they are impacted by open door policies and they need to push it through to bow to pressure. If it is the reason it will embolden those who pressurise and corrupt society
Are these MPs are out of mind. Why are they wandering over Gaza or any where else on the Earth but not thier own problems of Economic jeopardy? I wondered 🤔
To think this shower of liars rules our nation. Their conduct & behaviour only goes further by example why we need to overhaul Parliament & bring about change.
In a plutocracy, on the other hand, the political system pays no more than lip-service to average people’s problems and works diligently instead at protecting - and growing - the wealth of the already wealthy.
Maybe I’m missing something but why are we discussing GAZA at all ? It’s nothing to do with us and we should keep our nose out. We are not a global power and have a tiny army smaller than Finland. How many other countries sit in their parliament worrying about what is going on here ? I’m sure none. We have huge problems here with massive debts and are heading to the IMF. And yet our Politicians are more worried about other nations than ours, no wonder we are in the mess we are in.
'Government' is a very loose description. Just returned to UK to this article, unrepaired dangerous potholes still unrepaired after 2 years, graffiti everywhere, more beggars on the street, shops, cafes & restaurants with not enough staff and big queues, cancelled trains & 4.7% increases and that's not to mention the unrelenting gray skies!. OMG, I am not even 60!. 👴
What a bunch of petty small minded children, maybe they should sort out the mess they have made of this country first instead of interfering elsewhere.
The mess in this country? The UK arms and aids Israel is Ethn1cally clean3ing Palestinians, when they come as immigrants in this country, guess who's going to complain first? Stop the aiding and abetting of the policies that displace Arabs in the first place, it would help this country immensely in the long run.
Labour black mailed the speaker of the house so he would change how things are normally done to save their face and essentially stop Scotland from getting its say
My understanding is that the SNP gets a set number of days when it can debate a motion as the third largest party and they made one calling for an immediate ceasefire and accusing Israel of collective punishment (a war crime which no future Labour government would want to be accusing Israel of for diplomatic reasons) which half of labour would vote for and split the party. The speaker allowed Labour to have a vote to amend the motion to say that there should be a ceasefire where Israel can't be expected to cease fighting if violence from hamas will continue and cut out the collective punishment bit. If the amendment is passed then the SNP motion is fully replaced and it isn't really an SNP opposition day at all because it's the Labour motion that gets voted on at the end. This is something that hasn't happened since the '90s. The SNP motion: "That this House calls for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and Israel; notes with shock and distress that the death toll has now risen beyond 28,000, the vast majority of whom were women and children; further notes that there are currently 1.5 million Palestinians sheltering in Rafah, 610,000 of whom are children; also notes that they have nowhere else to go; condemns any military assault on what is now the largest refugee camp in the world; further calls for the immediate release of all hostages taken by Hamas and an end to the collective punishment of the Palestinian people; and recognises that the only way to stop the slaughter of innocent civilians is to press for a ceasefire now." The Labour amendment that would override it: "That this House believes that an Israeli ground offensive in Rafah risks catastrophic humanitarian consequences and therefore must not take place; notes the intolerable loss of Palestinian life, the majority being women and children; condemns the terrorism of Hamas who continue to hold hostages; supports Australia, Canada and New Zealand’s calls for Hamas to release and return all hostages and for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire, which means an immediate stop to the fighting and a ceasefire that lasts and is observed by all sides, noting that Israel cannot be expected to cease fighting if Hamas continues with violence and that Israelis have the right to the assurance that the horror of 7 October 2023 cannot happen again; therefore supports diplomatic mediation efforts to achieve a lasting ceasefire; demands that rapid and unimpeded humanitarian relief is provided in Gaza; further demands an end to settlement expansion and violence; urges Israel to comply with the International Court of Justice’s provisional measures; calls for the UN Security Council to meet urgently; and urges all international partners to work together to establish a diplomatic process to deliver the peace of a two-state solution, with a safe and secure Israel alongside a viable Palestinian state, including working with international partners to recognise a Palestinian state as a contribution to rather than outcome of that process, because statehood is the inalienable right of the Palestinian people and not in the gift of any neighbour."
What an absolute disgrace. Faffing around whilst thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza have been slaughtered by IDF, thousands more sick and injured and 1 million displaced. Shame on you MPs etc
Question from a Dane to every Brit who can answer: In Denmark, when there is a vote for the parliament, the different regions of the country divides the number of representatives according to the votes cast in the respective constituency - as I understand it, in GB, it is "winner takes all" in the constituancies, meaning a 51/49 vote split could send ALL of the representatives to the 51 percent party (correct me if I'm wrong). My question is: How has this not been changed long ago? It doesn't seem very democratic in the sense that the parliament is supposed to reflect the opinion of the people, as this paves the way for a party only getting like 40 percent public backing nationally and STILL ends up having a majority in parliament The same goes for the US btw, but as I understand it, the American system is based on the British
@@SamuelBlack84 thanks for the insight! I seem to remember, that a couple of constituencies has actually changed the system at some point, don't know if I remember correctly, but maybe change is on the way - at the same speed as a glacier
@@jensasbjrnbgen4038our system is similar to that of Belarus. In the sense that proportional representation is very minor. Yes. It is almost a winner takes all, as not every constituency has the same sort of power as others. This is why tactical voting is so common.
There was a coalition government of the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats in 2010. The Liberal Democrats were promised a referendum on proportional representation (the Danish system you described). However, what was offered in the referendum was an overcomplicated cop-out. Anyway, the people voted against it. Our unfair system favours the Conservatives the most and Labour to a lesser extent (at least compared to less popular parties who have no chance of winning a seat). I think this is why Conservative and Labour governments are quite happy to leave the system unchanged. It's undemocratic and my vote is wasted if I don't vote for either Labour or the Tories in my constituency.
@@axelbruv that is very interesting, I've never heard of thst 2010 promise! And even more interesting that the people actually votes against it, but from what you're describing, it sounds like the reason for the "no" was that it was very difficult to figure out the proposed new system, and therefore people maybe got afraid and chose to stick to what they know?
They care too much. Kier was so scared of losing one vote he did a bent back room deal with the Speaker & this lot aren’t having it. When else do you see Tories & SNP agree about anything?
It just goes to show that labour have given a back hand to Lindsay. Now he needs a vote of no confidence and kicked out of the speaker of the house. Now he needs to go. This is worse than John.
Perfect example of who's really in charge of the British government. If you want to know who's in charge, find out who you can't criticise. Chosen people ? Let the truth set you free 👇 Acts 7:41-43 Amos 5:26 John 8:44 Jeremiah 23:27 Revelation 2:9 Revelation 3:9
This was nesscary wasnt it? Im not too versed on politics but if the speakers vote had gone unchallenged it would of set a new and or undermined current precedent. Essentially allowing the speaker and whomever their allegiance to undermine current government rulings or force their hand into making one? Overall it was needed...I think, you couldnt help us out could you?
I'm struggling to understand how on earth this is at the top of agenda for debate at this moment in time and can only think it is one big deflection from the LONG list of serious concerns the public have, which require addressing, under the current government. At what point does this become very obvious? Why are they having a debate over a vote for a ceasefire in Gaza, which...let's face it, will make absolutely no difference whatsoever, when our own Country is in the state it is in?
Our country passed Balfour declaration which paved way for formation of Lehi, Irgun, Haganah, King David Hotel Bombing, Suez Crisis, Lavon Affair, formation of PLO in 1964, formation of Hamas in 1986 and a whole lot of massacres and carnage eventually leading to the 2023 conflict between Israel and Hamas. Our government is still funding and army Israel while a genocide goes on there.
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To become a member of parliament in the UK you must shout "yeeeeeeeeees" very loudly every 10 seconds...
Meg Ryan would be ideal.
It's "hear hear"
More like "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAHHHH"
"Yeeaaaah"
😂
My goodness we pay everyone of those MPs over 85000 pounds per year + expences for such juvenile behavior, they are a sorry disgraceful bunch.
Absolutely. What a rabble!
and people question why ive never voted ....now your all seeing why
Become an MP and make that change.
UK parliament descends into chaos over Gaza ceasefire vote. 22.2.24 0917am Some vast convoluted cosmic joke I didn't get. I watched the comedy show new statesman as a lad - with interest.... In reference to that old timey classic - and some high handed espionage - I am thinking someone slipped some amended notes into your highly polished notes about the amendments to the vote you all wanted to amend should the vote take place which merely meant the government's amendment would need be dealt with as Starmer (der sturmer) and co. agreed, anyway...even though they were the only ones who got to vote due the highly contentious stringing out of a heap load of b.s... so they could all get last bus home, thus missing the vote...and the government were last seen in in pub, heads in hands, exclaiming: ohhhh nooooo..we might have to do some work, mean what we say............a puerile response to a puerile response to a set of consumer conscious dictates ie: they're all thinking about their arms deals and contracts.... i than' yow.
TV cameras come on, and the grandstanding starts
Why does the house of commons always sound like a child's pantomime when you close your eyes?
literally 😂😂😂
nursery for geriatricks🤣
Chimps tea party
Algorithms playing a number on those who think they’re above being manipulated. So they act like petty children.
Because they're all like bickering children
Its ridiculous. Theyre laughing, jeering, bickering, screaming and shouting. Can you imagine even small children behaving this way in school? I understand there needs to be impassioned debate", but this is a mockery of that
The House Of Geriatrics and insane.
And well paid and fed ones at our expense at at that !!!
What a bunch of school children we have for government ffs
School children get kicked out for jeering and are disciplined for walling out of class. This behaviour is just shameful
school children don't have the experience of adulthood, fully developed emotions or padded salaries granting luxury living with fine dining and fancy resorts. these people do.
Has there ever been a bigger disconnect between the system and the people? On issues that British people do have serious and justified concerns about, politicians do nothing. They need to be removed and replaced with people who do want to deal with the real issues we face asap for all our sakes.
And that to not include wealthy or ex public school wasters.
We always have arguments about foreign issues but can't even look after ourselves.
The UK started this whole fiasco too.
Because it’s easier to point fingers at others.
It’s not a foreign issue is it?
@@ibrahim.1606gaza is yeah, but can see you confusing it with gaza the footballer
It's called deflection. Everyone today is talking about the Gaza vote....why is it even a topic on the agenda with the current state of affairs in this Country?
I find it hilariously ridiculous that the official way to vote is initially “who can shout the loudest”
this government reflects the state of this country, people all working people need to rise up and change it all
Insurrection?
Surly not.
Not enough people working.
@@jeffmurray6219 why do u think that is jeff
UK parliament descends into chaos over Gaza ceasefire vote 0922am 22.2.24 allegedly 85000 a year's chicken feed. i wouldn't mind that kindda wage packet. saves me wandering about claiming dole money... p.s those with the biggest gobs dont necessarily have anything to day. call yourself a government... this is all to oust the speaker make a mess of stuff and....
@@Hush-i5v I don’t know Jeff
Like Israel could give a rats backside about what the uk parliament says.
they already bought 2 biggest parties and control the UK economy so I think you are right , they wouldn't care at all
israel is nothing without the backing of UK and US against the poor palestinians
Yes, they do.
@@ASSASIN7-sd5sr You do realise that Israel in its own right is a nuclear power and very wealthy. They don't receive a single penny from the UK and would laugh at any ceasefire request the UK made
@@ASSASIN7-sd5sr ??? Hamas have had BILLIONS poured in which has mostly gone to underground cities, thousands of rockets and munitians, and lavish lifestyles for the leaders such as Sinwar.
Shame they are not as passionate about domestic affairs.
nobody is getting killed or slaughtered in UK. but your tax dollars are slaughtering innocent people in Gaza by giving Israel government all sort of weapons
They're not fit for purpose
The power of the Israeli lobby is far reaching in British politics
They are looking for a way out so as to not offend there masters. Their masters are not the British people but like the US the powerful lobbies.
A way to weaken these power structures is to be mindful where you spend your money. It may seem a bargain at first but they will get it back through the tax system.
Further reaching than intimidation and threats apparently.
Its almost as if Israel has influence over pur banks, media and education.
amen to that...
Exactly and they use the same way shouting, intimidation humiliation!!!
If this is how MPs behave in parliament what hope is there for a government to function properly. Disgraceful behaviour. Western democracy in the UK isn't fit for purpose. Imagine seeing this behaviour in business or education.
I'm fascinated to see how far the bridge of tenuous equilibrium can persist until it breaks
Imagine if this lot tried to get an actual job, they’d be in a disciplinary and potentially dismissed with this kind of ill behaviour, yet we continue to pay their wages
Wow. Domestic issues usually empty. But when political mileage
Full. Of course plus expenses.
Yes, they all slithered out the door when the topic of excess deaths in England was brought up, they have zero interest in us, they are not on our side.
Absolutely shambles. Pity this lot dont get this animated when it comes to issues in our own country that is actually relevant to us
This issue is relevant to us, our country created this whole situation with the Balfour declaration.
Learn some history.
This nations a utter carbuncle…
Is there any honesty left in politics. On todays evidence I would say no !
The truth is that empty vessels make the most noise.
This, folks, is why decent 'normal' people are nowhere to be seen in politics. I would be ashamed to be seen amongst this shower.
What a mess!
Schoolyard isnt it ?
The Speaker had to read his “regrets” from a script?
Angry insincerity.
The Deputy said, "The ayes have it," BASED ON THAT?!?
Now imagine he was deaf in one ear
There like school children in a playground.
Seeing this and knowing the US was a spin off of England, I can see why our politics is such a circus. We learned from the best one in the world!;-)
Reality check: The US was a SPLIT OFF from England. We totally rejected British monarchy and created the American REPUBLIC.
@@warrenpaine He's not saying that's not the case. The legal system still a product of the English system
Never thought I'd see an American ever say they copied off the British! Thought everything was built from the ground up!
@@idi8822 You have received little education, so you don't know that America is a continuation of British culture.
@@warrenpaine - A slight improvement but just the same...and colonizers to boot;-)
Get on with solving the problems in this country and stop getting involved in other countries problems
An outdated system having a barney about something we have no control over with added farmyard noises ? Embarrassing
Needs to be abolished
What unfolded in the House of Commons yesterday shamed the UK.
Our politicians chose to play politics as a game of arcane procedure, completely losing sight of the human dimension and cost: what is actually happening in the Israel/Hamas conflict in Gaza.
No they didn't. The only people playing games were Starmer, Hoyle and the Labour Party.
Why is this war suddenly our business?
Balfour Declaration @@SamuelBlack84
@@SamuelBlack84 Britain ultimately caused all of this with the Balfour Declaration. We just left it after WW2 and the lines we drew there between the proposed Israeli state and Palestinian state caused this endless war there.
You mean the genocide
Uk abstent from voting for a ceasefire for yes or no vote. One to look as a peaceful and other to please there godfather usa.
housands in the streets suffering from extreme cold, rain, hunger, and discomfort, and under constant bombardment, to die?
The war of annihilation of this people must be stopped because it is humanity and respect for international law, and the trial of Netanyahu, the killer of innocents and children, and the massacres that continue under diplomatic and military support
Would their votes make a difference?
No 😂😂😂
NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE
This is why I’m 47 and have never voted… these children do not represent me, in any way what so ever.
Nothing more than hippocracy
If those privileged MP want to vote for War ...their Family should be sent to the front line...as they have No Empathy for the people of Palestine, having their homes stolen whatsoever..and their family including their children are been killed and maimed daily..it is very upsetting ..😢
They all walked out then cried when they couldn't vote
Nobody cried. Nobody complained that they couldn't vote after walking out. The Speaker, as I understand it, prevented the SNP voting on their own Opposition Day bill. Unacceptable.
It's none of the UK's business and whatever they decide in the rogues chamber will have no effect on the Gaza situation whatsoever.
The UK arms Israel
His excuse is that Gaza supporters are intimidating MPs in public. It feels different now that they are impacted by open door policies and they need to push it through to bow to pressure. If it is the reason it will embolden those who pressurise and corrupt society
If they are afraid then they should be
@@RustoKomuska why
@@slyleggs4344dead kids were a million times more afraid in Palestine, i think they can take it
@@voladisco thats the fault of the terrorists who run their country sadly
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Why are they spending time debating something that they can never impact?
They've got a country to run.
It's an opposition day debate so it's not about the people running the country
@@catmonarchist8920 *looks at state of country*
You don't think the opposition has anything more relevant to debate?
@@dww6 It was an SNP opposition day and most of the things that aren't working in Scotland are devolved to Holyrood.
No they haven't. The country is actually run by the civil service. Remember Sir Humphrey in 'Yes Minister'..?
And this vote doesnt even matter:
Es importante para Israel y las relaciones exteriores con Reino Unido. Sobre si están A favor o no de Palestina.
@@democritusdiabdera2527 Pero, Israel no la importa
@@tr4nce206
No importa?
Cuándo España se pronunció contra Israel, Israel decidió Hablar sobre sus comunidades independientes. A modo de protesta.
Resign Mr Hoyle this is one mistake to many.
Sir
They all should resign, they have brought the UK to it's knees intentionally.
We're doomed. Doomed I tell ye.
What kind of parliament is this everybody is shouting at ones 😮
Usless Shouting CHILDREN
original comment🙄
Are these MPs are out of mind. Why are they wandering over Gaza or any where else on the Earth but not thier own problems of Economic jeopardy? I wondered 🤔
To think this shower of liars rules our nation. Their conduct & behaviour only goes further by example why we need to overhaul Parliament & bring about change.
Bunch of school kids in parliament they all should go back to school
House looks like south africas
The subject shouldn't be even raised in UK parliament.
Its about weapon they give to isntreal...
@@accretia17
I don't understand some of your words...
@@Input-vh7vuThey're saying Israel isn't a real country, 'Isntreal'.
They act like children
This is shamfull ...like children arguing over toys
In a plutocracy, on the other hand, the political system pays no more than lip-service to average people’s problems and works diligently instead at protecting - and growing - the wealth of the already wealthy.
The House is now full of highly charged demons😂😂😂
And yet remains absolutely silent about excess deaths and vaccine injury. How strange
Maybe I’m missing something but why are we discussing GAZA at all ? It’s nothing to do with us and we should keep our nose out. We are not a global power and have a tiny army smaller than Finland.
How many other countries sit in their parliament worrying about what is going on here ? I’m sure none. We have huge problems here with massive debts and are heading to the IMF. And yet our Politicians are more worried about other nations than ours, no wonder we are in the mess we are in.
When was the last time we had a discussion on Armenia-Azerbeijan war in Pakistan parliament?
If only they spent this much energy about British people
Gaza ceasefire is a no brainer, vote No to war
Hamas could have stopped firing rockets at literally any time
Utterly ridiculous behaviour
To say they act like children is an insult to children! They are all pathetic!
Why do these people have the authority to decide the fate of others?
'Government' is a very loose description. Just returned to UK to this article, unrepaired dangerous potholes still unrepaired after 2 years, graffiti everywhere, more beggars on the street, shops, cafes & restaurants with not enough staff and big queues, cancelled trains & 4.7% increases and that's not to mention the unrelenting gray skies!. OMG, I am not even 60!. 👴
Just imagine if the poison dwarf was still speaker of the house ! Owdaaah , Owdaaaahhh , Owdaaaaaaahhhhhhh! He would have loved it.
What a bunch of petty small minded children, maybe they should sort out the mess they have made of this country first instead of interfering elsewhere.
The mess in this country? The UK arms and aids Israel is Ethn1cally clean3ing Palestinians, when they come as immigrants in this country, guess who's going to complain first? Stop the aiding and abetting of the policies that displace Arabs in the first place, it would help this country immensely in the long run.
A trapped unarmed people are being systematically wiped out !!! What is wrong with you ?
I think it's Time that Scotland Ireland and Wales to secede from This Disasterous 'Union'
We need more context, I understood nothing. Can someone explain it in simpler terms and more context please?
Labour black mailed the speaker of the house so he would change how things are normally done to save their face and essentially stop Scotland from getting its say
My understanding is that the SNP gets a set number of days when it can debate a motion as the third largest party and they made one calling for an immediate ceasefire and accusing Israel of collective punishment (a war crime which no future Labour government would want to be accusing Israel of for diplomatic reasons) which half of labour would vote for and split the party. The speaker allowed Labour to have a vote to amend the motion to say that there should be a ceasefire where Israel can't be expected to cease fighting if violence from hamas will continue and cut out the collective punishment bit. If the amendment is passed then the SNP motion is fully replaced and it isn't really an SNP opposition day at all because it's the Labour motion that gets voted on at the end.
This is something that hasn't happened since the '90s.
The SNP motion: "That this House calls for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and Israel; notes with shock and distress that the death toll has now risen beyond 28,000, the vast majority of whom were women and children; further notes that there are currently 1.5 million Palestinians sheltering in Rafah, 610,000 of whom are children; also notes that they have nowhere else to go; condemns any military assault on what is now the largest refugee camp in the world; further calls for the immediate release of all hostages taken by Hamas and an end to the collective punishment of the Palestinian people; and recognises that the only way to stop the slaughter of innocent civilians is to press for a ceasefire now."
The Labour amendment that would override it:
"That this House believes that an Israeli ground offensive in Rafah risks catastrophic humanitarian consequences and therefore must not take place; notes the intolerable loss of Palestinian life, the majority being women and children; condemns the terrorism of Hamas who continue to hold hostages; supports Australia, Canada and New Zealand’s calls for Hamas to release and return all hostages and for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire, which means an immediate stop to the fighting and a ceasefire that lasts and is observed by all sides, noting that Israel cannot be expected to cease fighting if Hamas continues with violence and that Israelis have the right to the assurance that the horror of 7 October 2023 cannot happen again; therefore supports diplomatic mediation efforts to achieve a lasting ceasefire; demands that rapid and unimpeded humanitarian relief is provided in Gaza; further demands an end to settlement expansion and violence; urges Israel to comply with the International Court of Justice’s provisional measures; calls for the UN Security Council to meet urgently; and urges all international partners to work together to establish a diplomatic process to deliver the peace of a two-state solution, with a safe and secure Israel alongside a viable Palestinian state, including working with international partners to recognise a Palestinian state as a contribution to rather than outcome of that process, because statehood is the inalienable right of the Palestinian people and not in the gift of any neighbour."
It doesn't matter what they say, isreal won't listen, all pointless
Hoyle was saving Starmer's skin.
@@catmonarchist8920Copy pasted hasbara.
Give Palestinians their rights to freedom
They don't want it.
What an absolute disgrace. Faffing around whilst thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza have been slaughtered by IDF, thousands more sick and injured and 1 million displaced.
Shame on you MPs etc
Question from a Dane to every Brit who can answer:
In Denmark, when there is a vote for the parliament, the different regions of the country divides the number of representatives according to the votes cast in the respective constituency - as I understand it, in GB, it is "winner takes all" in the constituancies, meaning a 51/49 vote split could send ALL of the representatives to the 51 percent party (correct me if I'm wrong).
My question is: How has this not been changed long ago? It doesn't seem very democratic in the sense that the parliament is supposed to reflect the opinion of the people, as this paves the way for a party only getting like 40 percent public backing nationally and STILL ends up having a majority in parliament
The same goes for the US btw, but as I understand it, the American system is based on the British
They like to cite it as working in the name of tradition
@@SamuelBlack84 thanks for the insight! I seem to remember, that a couple of constituencies has actually changed the system at some point, don't know if I remember correctly, but maybe change is on the way - at the same speed as a glacier
@@jensasbjrnbgen4038our system is similar to that of Belarus. In the sense that proportional representation is very minor. Yes. It is almost a winner takes all, as not every constituency has the same sort of power as others. This is why tactical voting is so common.
There was a coalition government of the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats in 2010. The Liberal Democrats were promised a referendum on proportional representation (the Danish system you described). However, what was offered in the referendum was an overcomplicated cop-out. Anyway, the people voted against it. Our unfair system favours the Conservatives the most and Labour to a lesser extent (at least compared to less popular parties who have no chance of winning a seat). I think this is why Conservative and Labour governments are quite happy to leave the system unchanged. It's undemocratic and my vote is wasted if I don't vote for either Labour or the Tories in my constituency.
@@axelbruv that is very interesting, I've never heard of thst 2010 promise! And even more interesting that the people actually votes against it, but from what you're describing, it sounds like the reason for the "no" was that it was very difficult to figure out the proposed new system, and therefore people maybe got afraid and chose to stick to what they know?
And now Mordant's biting.
She’s right in this case. Labour shat on Scotland 🏴 today.
just goes to show they couldn't care less
They care too much. Kier was so scared of losing one vote he did a bent back room deal with the Speaker & this lot aren’t having it. When else do you see Tories & SNP agree about anything?
We all need new leaders. Enough of these self serving fools. This reminds me of the Skeksis in The Dark Crystal.
Ive seen more maturity in a nursery
The Guardian doesn't really want a ceasefire, so of course they will report chaos.
Since when did the UK pass judgements based upon which side can shout the loudest?
U should have migrated to Yemen instead of UK!
save u cultural shock.
This is a waste of my tax. Stop wasting time and money on matters that are not a priority for Britain.
It just goes to show that labour have given a back hand to Lindsay. Now he needs a vote of no confidence and kicked out of the speaker of the house. Now he needs to go. This is worse than John.
All credibility is lost. Complete shambles. The only thing required now is an eulogy for the house and institution.
Tory swill.
What is wrong with calling for a ceasefire??? Or putting it on the vote???
It scares me knowing our country is run by a bunch of boomers shouting yeah or no like it was primary school
Lindsay Hoyle should channel John Bercow more often.
His only mistake here was apologising for challenging the orthodoxy.
The procedures are to safeguard democracy and ensure entrenchment doesn’t occur.
Rules must be followed, unless you prefer anarchy.
Perfect example of who's really in charge of the British government.
If you want to know who's in charge, find out who you can't criticise.
Chosen people ?
Let the truth set you free 👇
Acts 7:41-43
Amos 5:26
John 8:44
Jeremiah 23:27
Revelation 2:9
Revelation 3:9
So this is a taste of how a Labour Government would work , what a load of 🤡s
In fairness wasn’t it all the SNP?
@@glasgowmcglasgowfacevotegr7049The SNP represent a lot of Scottish voters & in their wisdom they now have a Palestinian family running Scotland.
shambolic
Hey ! Don’t look at that over there. Look at this over here ! Why are the mono party “ fighting” ?
The defence of Starmer by some in the Graundad was laughable.
This was nesscary wasnt it? Im not too versed on politics but if the speakers vote had gone unchallenged it would of set a new and or undermined current precedent. Essentially allowing the speaker and whomever their allegiance to undermine current government rulings or force their hand into making one?
Overall it was needed...I think, you couldnt help us out could you?
It's like watching school children in the playground !!!
How ON earth can one vote against ceasefire?? Inhumane
I'm struggling to understand how on earth this is at the top of agenda for debate at this moment in time and can only think it is one big deflection from the LONG list of serious concerns the public have, which require addressing, under the current government. At what point does this become very obvious? Why are they having a debate over a vote for a ceasefire in Gaza, which...let's face it, will make absolutely no difference whatsoever, when our own Country is in the state it is in?
Absolutely. It's pandering to minority interests.
Our country passed Balfour declaration which paved way for formation of Lehi, Irgun, Haganah, King David Hotel Bombing, Suez Crisis, Lavon Affair, formation of PLO in 1964, formation of Hamas in 1986 and a whole lot of massacres and carnage eventually leading to the 2023 conflict between Israel and Hamas. Our government is still funding and army Israel while a genocide goes on there.
We do so love to get involved in every aspect of the world
Maybe we see ourselves as the responsible ones
@@SamuelBlack84maybe its because they are responsible 😂😂😂😂
@@AS-mq5cs A conscience gets you nowhere in life
A small stubborn state (us & uk backed up) not only made this parliament down to chaos.
This world also already chaos
Coof rules extension also went through on a nod.
Meaningless squabble, over a meaningless bill by a meaningless parliament.
Shame our overpaid politicians cannot be this passionate for what is happening here in uk!
Guy laughing at start 😂