How France Has Changed Me: Good & Bad! Living in France as an Expat
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- After living in France for nearly 5 years now (and living in Paris for most of this time) it is only natural that I have changed as a person. Sometimes in good ways, sometimes in bad!
After the big move to France, the rose tinted glasses came off and I found out what it is really like to live in France. The expat life in France can be a ballroom dance, a battlefield, a riot and a rave. All of these experiences accumulate and have a profound effect on you as a person.
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I am french and I lived for 5 years in the UK. About the confrontation and debating part, I had the reverse experience. I went there with a debating attitude and people thought I was aggressive. I learnt how to express ideas while considering other people's point of view, in plain almost relaxed ways. I am back to France, and because I changed and now avoid debates and conflicts, try to be positive and constructive, people think I am fake and that I hide what I really think.
Encore une excellente vidéo sur la France et ses côtés positifs et négatifs. En regardant cette vidéo, j'ai eu l'impression à chacune de vos paroles que vous êtes en train de devenir une véritable française. Vous aimez la France et cela se ressent et j'en suis certain, la France vous aime.
About the complaining, one fun thing I've noticed is that when something is perfect we'll say : "rien à dire", with the appropriate half-impressed, half-disappointed tone. "Shoot, I have nothing to criticize"
Bien vu !
Soooo true xD
je plussoie ! cest tout à fait ça! spot-on !
Ma mère m'a toujours reprocher de ne jamais dire C bon 😂
Et ma réponse était toujours la même ?
Si j’en reprend ! Tu l’as ma réponse 😂❤
I'm so glad with your comments about how you grew out of over-consummerism in France. I have always believed that one could live completely happy with less of the superficial stuff that society is making us purchase. I think being able to appreciate the small and essential things and losing attach to material goods is the best thing that could happen to you in France
However I don't think that smiling less is a "bad thing". I think that is one of the main reasons why foreigners think we are rude, because we are not cheerful all the time, but I believe that in France, not smiling to someone does not mean we are being rude or we don't appreciate being with the person, it simply means that we are not in the mood for smiling. I think that in France, it is more polite to be true with your emotions with someone rather than pretend to be happy just for show. This way, when a French smiles, you usually know it's genuine :)
Definitely find your videos very interesting. I am Canadian but live in a small village in the south west of France, where my husband is from. I think that many of your points are totally true and some of them are the by-product of living in a large city. People here are super friendly! Always saying hello and good day. Even when we walk into a place like a doctor’s waiting room, we say hello and goodbye to the strangers that are waiting. That’s even more friendly than I am used to in my small town in eastern Canada. And the salespeople here are all over you as soon as you walk into a store. Again, always with a hello when you enter the store and a good bye when you leave, even if you didn’t buy anything. My husband, of course, hates waiting in lines and going to busy shopping centers on the weekend. But I usually chaulk that up to being a male trait in general. Lol. And I must say that consumerism is alive and well, at least in our house, with a 3 year old and a baby on the way. But we are not pressed for space like you describe about small apartments in Paris. Just wanted to point out he other side of rural France for people who may have never visited here. So happy I found your channel!
What is the name of your village - I am looking for the possibility of a move from US, thanks
Hi not even french
Many youtubers publish videos on similar topics as you do: good and bad in France and so on.
But so far you're definitely the best one ever. Watching your videos teaches me as much about my own culture (France) as about yours (Kiwi).
You go much deeper in the particulars than any other youtuber. You investigate to understand better french cultural sides that strike you and your self searching skills are amazing.
Thank you for living in France, you're an asset for us !
A little comment on one thing you mentioned in this specific video.
I lived abroad for several years and used to have a style of living and dressing a little bit maverick. Back in France it took me a while to find a proper place: a good job, built a familiy... And striving to set me up I went "back in tracks" like trying not to be too peculiar so it's easier to fit in and I definitely lost something of me on the way. And that compliance is a shame...
Rosie your videos are always so well done and your points so well argued/documented.
I liked a lot what you said about consumerism in France and totally agree with it. I feel like the French have a different approach to life and the way to be successful in it. As a French abroad I miss this a lot. You even get the negative points right and explain really well and not just "I don't like that I think it's stupid" which many uninteresting people do on TH-cam.
Anyway you're amazing please stay in France for many many more years, we need smart people like you!
Debt is financial slavery.
That you smile less is sad. You have a beautiful smile!
Patience is a virtue.
I've heard that in Russia they consider that smiling without a real good reason is actually a bad thing. It makes you look like an idiot or a hypocrite or just a completely careless person. I dont know if it's true, but it wouldn't shock me if it was.
In USA smiling is considered as something polite, it's just a way to behave well with others and to be pleasant and nice to someone.
In France I think we're just in between, not only geographycally :p
Smiling is great, but it has to be sincere and for a good reason. Too much smiling looks fake, and it can be considered dishonnest. Those big smiles that you consider polite and nice can feel forced and unnatural to us. Also since it is not a problem for us to argue, to debate and to tell about your negative thoughts and feels and critiques about something, it is normal to show that you may be in a bad mood instead of hiding it behind a smile. It's just honnest. And it is not considered polite to be "too" friendly, especially with someone you don't know, it could actually be the opposite.
Odan I believe that it is healthy to voice your displeasure instead of hiding behind a polite smile. Perhaps if more people did that we wouldn't have people's emotions blowing up.
Aw Rosie you are so adorable ! Now the next step, after adapting youself to our culture and way of being, pick each thing you like about both of your cultures and make them into the person you want to be. I have dual nationality, franco-americaine, raised by an american mom and a french dad, and as a child I had a hard time identifying to my classmates or the french culture. Then I went to study a year abroad in America and that's when I realized that I was SO FRENCH but also SO AMERICAN. Ever since I've been trying to find a balance between the strong, brutally honnest french, and the (sometimes overly) bubbly, positive american. You can do it ! It is possible ! Keep us updated on how that's going. Because in France, we DO love smiling faces and bubbly people ! Keep doing you !
Your videos are great. I've traveled to other countries and seen what works and what doesn't in France from outside, but your point of view is really even more eye-opening, and your videos are really interesting. Keep up the good work!
Cet esprit d'analyse et d'abstraction dont vous faites preuve, est une aptitude typiquement française également. :)
these videos are useful for the French too, so thank you.
I love your videos ❤️
They remind me of my experience as a Frenchie living abroad :-)
Keep up the good work and the good entertainment !
This was really informative thanks for answering my question Rosie!
Wow I learned a lot. A different perspective. Love the fact you didn't just explain the common things everyone says. The energetic shifts were very eye-opening to me. I've lived in England, Iran and Canada but I think the more I'm researching about Europe the more I like it.
I LOVE this video! I remember when I moved to Canada in 2008, and set up a bank account...I had my chequing account, my savings account, and a debit card. And the teller told me I could not do online purchases with it. So I asked what card I needed for that. She said a credit card; so here I went and set up a credit card. I used it. And a few weeks later, I received a letter asking me to reimburse an amount I had already paid...I was soooo confused! I had no idea that the money was not taken directly out of the chequing account. At that time in France "credit cards" did not provide credit. There were regular debit cards. And in english speaking countries, well, a credit card actually gave you credit. It took me a while to get used to this, as I really, really did not like the feeling of being "in debt" every time I used that card. I think the consumerism behavior may actually be linked by how our banking is set up. We are also definitely more reserved than most Americans, for example. We don't scream or cry when someone gives us a nice gift - we just say "thank you" (unless it's the best.gift.ever) - people who do this will be seen as fake in France.
I really like your channel, its so fun and informative. I'm wanting to move to france specifically to teach English later in life, and have always wanted to live and work there. So I see your vids and think 'oh this girl is living my dream!' thanks for all the information x
For the work part, I don't know if you heard it but we have a saying (at least I heard it many times): we don't live to work, we work to live. and this mentality change everything.
Im British but grew up in France most of my life. and its very important to have a balance between each culture, thats what makes you diffrent.
Clever video, by a smart and sensitive pretty woman. It's fun and helpful to see my country through your eyes, and I learn lot doing this.
I am an incorrectable parisian since my birth, and lived there during more than sixty years ; then, six months ago, following events independant from my will, I expatriated into the region of Mâcon and Lyon ( Beaujolais ); Surprise! I live now in stranger country, where people you do not know salute you, say bonjour, even often smile ! And the cars at the crosswalks which do not accelerate to crush you ... Very exotic, it will take me a lot of time to get the habit ...
Love your insights. I have changed in a similar fashion since relocating to France two and half years ago. I could so relate to all the things you spoke about.
Not Even French , I'm originally from India. I had never thought even in my wildest dreams that I would move to France. We came here for a holiday in 2013 and my husband fell in love with the country. In 2015 he filed his papers to emigrate and he was granted the visa. I was in shock. But now been here going on three years and I can see my journey reflected in yours. 😊 Keep up the videos, you're doing great!
7:46 I think the word 'beautiful' has a more intens feel to it in English than the word 'beau' does in French. I think 'beautiful' in English is reserved for more special occasions, whereas 'beau' is quite commonly used. Usually I would translate 'C'est beau!' with a casual 'It looks good' and not with 'Oh, but that's so b e a u t i f u l !'
Apart from this linguistical note, the French do value esthetics.
Part 2 ('The Bad') from 8:53 is very interesting to me.
Wow all that is so well spotted. Thanks! Even things I did not think of initially are so true.
After some time abroad and coming back, the french's habit of complaining and judging was the most difficult to get used to again.
Have to say it's very much parisian, and less obvious (but still there) in "la province"
Like you I finally saw value in all the arguments at work, although it's not always comfortable.
There are good and bad things in all countries, and having the opportunity to experience that, wherever it is, is grand. Thanks again for sharing.
I often notice english-speaker complain that the French do not smile, I personally do not understand why this is taken as a bad thing. Knowing American and English people, I have often been told, in a casual conversation, that I should smile more and they would like to see me more smile, yet it is comfortable for me not to worry about my facial expressions. The purpose of this comment was to explain that these comments of some foreigners, are of course a good intention, i do understand that but, unfortunatly, they do not take into consideration the feelings of the person, so I kind want to know why they do that if someone could explain to me :)
It's not a critique, I juste want to know why they think not smiling is seen as something bad for them
un spectateur because they have a fake positive culture - I know all about the negative french points but at least they are bold, brutal and cool - they know society is tough and defend their own turf - that is human virtue - a slave is forced to smile in front of his master 🤗🐬🕵🏻
Each culture has differences. In the United States good customer service is seen as hugely respectful and significantly expected. Keeping things positive, upbeat, smiling and happy are part of the ‘expected societal role’. It is seen as very rude and extremely immature to purposely try to be negative and ruin someone’s life experience in that given moment. Private life vrs appropriate public behavior are different in that ‘remain upbeat’ mandate. I think you zoned in on it when you said it’s ‘more comfortable not to worry about my facial expression’, that there is really the key difference. Lets say was a young child like 8 and above and didn’t want to go to a grandparents birthday and so I wasn’t smiling and relayed your comment. Here culturally in most families the child would be disciplined/grounded for that comment as it’s seen to be very rude and immature to be thinking of only yourself when it is someone else’s moment. Your comfort should not be a thought if you can make someone else’s day as positive and efficient as possible, you have succeeded.
@@studiobencivengamarcusbenc5272 not true...I've been told I have "resting bitch face", The US is so big and so diverse, we aren't all cheerleaders.
@@kathycourtney2 Exactly. We don't all look or act like happy idiots. We're just forced to when at work. Places of employment have gotten ridiculous about this and have gotten to be really phony environments.
@@studiobencivengamarcusbenc5272 très bien résumé. Déjà savoir que je suis un " esclave" ce n' est pas " fun" . En plus , me taper des courbettes et des " smile" pour faire jolie. Je hais ça à mort. Stay your self.
Too cool, I did a video like this recently too!!! I love your points especially about learning a second language! ✌️❤️
Being hopeful to live in France someday, this video depresses me. Many of the ways you've changed, particularly the negatives, are not how I want to be. I'm thankful you shared this. It gives me food for thought.
Oh please don't apologize. When considering a major move like that, good, realistic information is very valuable and useful. I truly appreciate it.
You're in the trending categorie in France
Bravo
I hear that the chocolate and cheese selection in France is brilliant! I can't wait for the day I'm able to visit France.
I was totally feeling you when you talked about french bureaucracy and how it can make you stronger. It reminded me of my first year in Marseille, trying relentlessly to get my "carte de séjour" but a certificate was oddly always missing! :p Great video sinon ;)
Love your videos ! Your analysis of french behaviour and culture is very precise and intelligent. I learn about my country with you !
Thanks !
Funny thing is I just discovered your channel today, and I can see a difference between you older and your more recent videos, you seem calmer, less funny and less lively than what you used to be. Please, don't lose yourself.
That’s really interesting feedback. The things you’ve mentioned are the very reasons I am working toward moving abroad (hopefully to France), since I just don’t seem to flow well with mainstream American culture. The big thing that stood out to me most in the critiquing/complaining culture. I have finally learned to break AWAY from this and have become a much more grateful and positive person, I’d hate to fall back into that there. Maybe I can be a positive influence on those around me instead :) love your videos, thank you for sharing!
I am enjoying your videos ( binging actually) as I work on a very repetitive catalog task! ...and just went back to one of your first--one can definitely see the difference. The way you look and express yourself is definitely more french - less bubbly than at first, your look is very french ( and it suits you quite lovely)... your speech more monotone and less facial expressions ( the french non-effort) LOL!but yeah...we do become more of the place we are in... I guess the best for us expats is we can choose to take what we like for the now and old home as we discover ourselves through life experience. Well done.
Great comparison. It takes a good deal of introspection to see how french living has changed you. I am glad that you can see how you are more critical, less patient, less gregarious, more opinionated, more socially conforming... yes, you are becoming more french.
Yes - you look more french. You touched on part of that here. The social conformity pushes people toward a generic "French" look, one that sits in the basic makeup, slightly hipster, perpetual college professor, simple hairstyle, etc. If one looks at French media there is definitely a type.
Again, this all loops back the profoundly self-conscious and opinionated nature of the culture that you mentioned here. The odd thing is that what is taken by the French as a bold and independent and cosmopolitan attitude comes across as just basically rude by those outside looking in.
From my experience, and your talk here about the lack of tolerance brought it to mind, the fact that the French tend to complain about their own bureaucracy, long lines, general attitude, etc. and yet do nothing about it points to one of the unspoken traits - they complain a lot but do nothing about it... so who really is to blame for the French? It is the French themselves. I love the irony, it is so french, no?
My kids father is French (family from Marseille) but now in Quebec (the whole bunch moved to Quebec). We are Canadian. It’s taken me 20 years to understand the confrontational/debating/arguing is fun attitude. I have two kids born in English Canada but they are “personality wise” half French/half English. I’ve lived both sides. It can be exhausting to argue (for fun) all the time....and I find it aggressive. I watch your channel because I relate to your being caught in middle. I’ve learned french, my kids are bilingual and I love architecture but there is also something to be said for appreciating easy going attitudes. I had no idea before I had children how my choice to marry and raise children with a francophone would change things. My kids don’t think it’s cool to be half French, they just are, by DNA. I will forever be caught in the middle of the anglo/franco battle. And so I take deep breaths to understand the need to debate every little thing....(even if I feel it’s ridiculous).
Merci pour cette nouvelle vidéo ! Dans les points positifs tu notes que les Français savent "critiquer" pour faire avancer le débat, améliorer les choses. Et ensuite dans les points négatifs, tu dis que l'on se plaint tout le temps : critiques sur les films etc. C'est le versant négatif de la critique, on paraît râleurs ! Certains le sont sans doute, mais pouvoir exprimer son PROPRE ressenti, en positif "oh c'est beau !" comme tu le soulignes ou en négatif "ce n'est pas une bonne idée parce que... + arguments" me semble le propre de l'être doué d'intelligence...
Alors que "paraître" toujours heureux et critiquer en "off" cela sert à quoi ? A la paix apparente ? On ne fait avancer les choses qu'en (s'auto) critiquant, tant que cela est fait avec bienveillance ;)
Merci pour tes vidéos que j'adore suivre ;)
Parfaitement d'accord.
Un compliment n'a de véritable valeur que si celui qui le donne est aussi capable de dire quand ça ne va pas.
Comme on dit "qui aime bien châtie bien".
Si quelqu'un est toujours positif (ou négatif) on ne sait jamais ce qu'il pense vraiment et ce qu'il dit ne sert à rien.
Par contre quelqu'un qui soulève à la fois les points positifs et les points négatifs donne une vraie information sincère et on sait ce qu'il faut garder et ce qu'il faut améliorer.
The part about the prevalence of confrontational behaviour in France, especially in the workplace, is very true. Although I must say, as a French person who's lived abroad for 10 years now it is not something that I miss at all. I've always had an issue with the brutal honesty and constant need to debate about everything of many people around me to the point I started believing I was a misanthrope ! It took me to leave France to realise that it wasn't a general human trait but a very French one indeed. It's not that debating doesn't exist in the UK and other English speaking countries but it seems to me that it is more codified and people understand there is a place and time for it. As you said, people may be less honest which can also be frustrating in some cases. But the end result is a more harmonious atmosphere and less stress. I always enjoy a good debate with my French friends and relatives and getting some brutally honest feedback from them from time to time. But I'm so glad it's not something that has to happen everyday anymore !
Thank for sharing your experience it is always interesting. As I am french, I don't focus and analyze my own culture and behaviour and I have to say you're often right ! ^^
You're must be a sort of chameleon now :D
It's sad to have to choose and adapt, instead of just being who we want to be (in the street I mean, I understand it's more complicated at work...) I guess it's normal but sad nevertheless. Discussing is important but smiling and enjoying things too !
C'est officiel tu est Française si tu râle autant que le reste du pays !😀
Est-ce physiquement possible de râler autant qu'un français ?
Dif Dauf
D' où nos victoires en escrime !
Oui, si tu es Italien :)
Astuce pour les magasins :
Quand le (la) vendeur(se) vient vers vous pour vous poser 36 000 questions, montrez lui que vous l'avez vu tout en continuant votre chemin dans le magasin. Attendre les premiers mots qui sont en général "Bonjour. Puis-je vous aider ?" et répondre tout en continuant de regarder les articles "Bonjour. Je regarde. Merci". En général c'est clair net et précis ^^`...
Smiling less often... that's because you're mostly living in Paris. Time flow is much cooler in the other parts of the country, but I'm sure you know that already.
It's interesting to hear you about our habits, it makes us notice things we might not have been aware of.
amanda soderlund The South of France is wonderful
I disagree, sure people are colder in big cities, especially in Paris, but the people from the south of France are not smiling like people do in US for exemple. When you go there, you can really perceive the difference. Americans smile to make you feel confortable, because it's their way of being polite. For us being polite is showing respect, it's making people feel important and respected. For them being polite is making you feel confortable, at ease, and it starts with a smile. And you definitely don't have that anywhere in France, nor in the Netherlands, Germany, Switzerland ... nowhere in Europe in general.
Loved this vid
Great and quite inspiring video
Je ne sais pas si présenter la France comme un pays "socialiste" où les gens s'abstiendraient de consommer non par philosophie mais en raison de salaires supposés plus bas qu'ailleurs, d'une faible mobilité sociale et de petits appartements est un "bon côté". D'ailleurs le salaire moyen en France est plus élevé qu'en Australie ou en Nouvelle-Zélande, donc je ne sais pas trop sur quoi tu te bases pour affirmer que les salaires sont bas, il ne faut pas exagérer... c'est vrai que depuis 2008 le salaire moyen stagne (crise économique) et que l'intégration des jeunes sur le marché de l'emploi est problématique, c'est vrai aussi qu'il est sans doute plus facile qu'ailleurs de vivre avec un salaire relativement faible grâce aux services publics, mais il y a beaucoup de gens qui vivent (encore) très bien en France dans de belles maisons spacieuses remplies de produits plus ou moins utiles comme dans n'importe quel pays capitaliste. On est aussi le pays des hypermarchés géants dans les périphéries des villes. Et il est également utile de rappeler que si le système de santé est universel, il n'est pas entièrement public comme en Angleterre. Dans les faits, quand on ne bénéficie pas de la CMU ou de l'AME, il est très difficile de se passer d'une mutuelle (privée) pour avoir des remboursements corrects, surtout dans le dentaire, la vue, l'audition...
Par ailleurs, ça ne correspond pas vraiment à la réalité statistique car la France est au contraire un pays où la croissance est portée par la consommation. C'est juste que le mode de consommation et d'accès au crédit n'est pas le même que dans les pays anglo-saxons. Les français préfèrent investir leur argent dans l'immobilier, le patrimoine, les produits d'épargne et autres placements à long terme ou même une voiture ou des vacances plutôt que dans les produits de consommation quotidienne et courante (modèle "américain" ). Enfin bon, là encore, il y a des exceptions (émeutes au Nutella).
Attention à ne pas généraliser également l'approche parisienne du coût de la vie Il est vrai que les salariés de la classe moyenne qui vivent à Paris ont vu mécaniquement leur pouvoir d'achat s'effondrer depuis une vingtaine d'années du fait de l'augmentation du coût de la vie et des loyers exorbitants. C'est la raison pour laquelle les classes moyennes quittent la capitale pour aller vivre en banlieue ou encore plus loin... forcément, vivre à Paris avec 1500 ou 2000 euros par mois, c'est devenu difficile pour la plupart des gens, sinon impossible.
Cette approche "raisonnable" de la consommation et la préférence pour l'épargne sont plus liées en fin de compte à des facteurs culturels et historiques qu'à des raisons économiques ou au niveau des salaires car même dans les foyers aisés on apprend aux enfants à ne pas gâcher, à consommer avec modération, à privilégier le long terme, etc. Cet état d'esprit se retrouve par exemple dans la bourgeoisie de province. L'ostentation matérielle est mal vue et souvent mal vécue. Je ne prétends pas que c'est totalement positif, mais ce n'est pas seulement lié à un problème de salaire ou de progression sociale difficile. Cela vient surtout du fait que la France est historiquement un pays rural de culture catholique. Même si les gens vivent désormais en ville, ils ont conservé ces traits culturels de la même manière que les comportements socio-économiques des anglo-saxons sont profondément influencés par le fond culturel protestant.
Je ne suis pas d'accord non plus sur le côté "on ne peut pas être ambitieux et opportuniste en France" ou en tout cas je ne suis pas d'accord avec la généralisation que tu fais. Je connais des gens issus de milieux relativement modestes qui occupent aujourd'hui des postes de cadre dans des grandes sociétés ou des administrations. Il y a sans aucun doute moins de mobilité que dans certains pays, surtout depuis quelques années, mais c'est pas non plus l'URSS sous Brejnev avec des positions sociales totalement figées...
Sinon je suis d"accord avec le reste (bureaucratie...) ! J'espère que tu ne prendras pas cette critique du mauvais côté, je suis français, c'est plus fort que moi je dois critiquer ! ;-)
Elle n'a pas dit que l'on consomme moins à cause des salaires bas. Elle a constaté moins de frénésie consommatrice, et a dit que finalement cela ne rendait pas nécessaire une course permanente au salaire, c'est à dire que les deux aspects étaient cohérents.
Le plus long commentaire que j'ai jamais vu
pigeon gaming Oulah ne va pas dans l'espace commentaire de chaînes sur la politique ou la zetetique, c'est bondé de pavés :')
J'ai habité en Australie, et je garantis que le salaire moyen y est bien plus élevé qu'en France. Le niveau de vie en Australie (et probablement aussi en NZ dans une moindre mesure) est bien plus élevé, et il l'est d'autant plus que les banques accordent plus facilement des crédits, comme dit dans la vidéo.
Pareil au sujet de l'ambition, ils ont des augmentations de salaire chaque année en Australie, même les ouvriers dans les usines, je peux supposer que ça te maintiens bien plus dans une attitude carriériste qu'en France où quoi que tu fasses, aussi rentable que tu sois pour ton entreprise, celle-ci t'augmentera pas si la loi l'y oblige pas.
Bref, dans la vidéo elle a pas dit que la France c'est l'Allemagne de l'Est non plus hein =p mais comparé à la NZ ça doit y ressembler vaguement.
Ce qu'elle a dit correspond avec l'impression que j'ai eu en allant en Australie (en miroir bien sûr, je suis français), c'est rigolo
Clairement, je sais pas où t'as vu qu'on est mieux lotis en France question salaire et niveau de vie.
L'oncle de mon ex bossait dans une usine où il empaquetait des poulets (travail à la chaîne) et il gagnait assez pour vivre dans une maison et avoir 4 enfants et une femme au foyer... même en campagne, en France, essaye de vivre à 5 dans une maison avec un SMIC...
Pareil pour le travail diplômé: en France, un enseignant-chercheur (avec un doctorat donc) commence à 1700e. Là-bas, un post-doctorant (le boulot entre doctorant et enseignant-chercheur) gagne l'équivalent de 4000e.
Sachant qu'à part pour les substances comme l'alcool ou la cigarette, le cout de la vie globale est similaire à la France (l'immobilier peu cher compense les choses plus chères).
Y'a des avantages à vivre en France mais ça n'en fait pas partis...
Hey Rosie, I love your videos & hearing about your experience. I’m curious about your hair. You said that you don’t get it cut that often... what is your hair care routine? How often do you wash it and what products do you love? Thanks!
Awesome Sauce.
Haha when you mentioned about how they appreciate beauty and aesthetics it came to mind times that my french friend told me "c'est beau ce que tu fais!", and I thought they were just being ironic at first.
Super analyse ;)
J'ai adore ce vídeo, merci¡¡
merci de ton témoignage...franchement super.
I remember this video you made about the fact that french people have a tendency to be sad/complaining all the time, and as a french, I feel happy to be reminded of that, because I want to change this! Life is beautiful and we should stop for small details only when they are worth it... :)
Puty0urlipstick0n Perhaps it’s different in the south of France? Whenever I’ve visited there I’ve found the the locals content, laid back, and generally really friendly and warm.
Yeah it's different, for sure. You're right!
Tout à fait d'accord particulièrement lorsque vous dîtes qu'on ne peut pas s'exprimer avec nos vêtements: il y a une norme du "bon goût universel" voire de l'idéologie véhiculée via les vêtements...et ça arrive très tôt (j'ai été repris sur mon style il y a peu par un môme de treize ans). J'ai appris, avec le temps, à n'en faire qu'à ma tête mais je passe pour un agressif et je n'inspire, à-priori, pas confiance aux gens avec mes chemises androgynes et mon chapeau tricorne (je vis avec et ça ne me dérange pas).
Cela dit, superbe vidéo qui dégage beaucoup de "chaleur" et qui fait vraiment plaisir à écouter!.. :)
I really enjoyed this video, I found it particularly interesting that France is a less consumer driven society, as you said, maybe they just don’t have anywhere to put it in their tiny appartments! It was also nice to hear how they appreciate beauty and the small things in life. I found some of the negatives you pointed out a bit sad, especially how it’s changed your personality and made you less bubbly and more critical. I feel like, as much as I’m a Francophile and am so in love with Paris, that the negativity and the gossipy attitude to others and what they’re wearing isn’t a healthy way to see the world and probably reflects their own insecurities and unhappiness.
Sarah Bannon
It's definitely not healthy. That's by far the worst part of France. Change this and France would be the best place in the world to live in.
Sarah Bannon once again, Paris is a big city, the Île-de-France region's is around 13M people, so you will obviously have many kind of different people and behaviours. If you want one good advice, do NOT listen to what the people of Province (outside of Ile-de-France) are telling you, they're for the most part jealous of the capital and base their feelings toward the Parisians mostly on clichés. Of course, we are certainly not perfect people but if you listen to them we are the scum of this planet. Forget them, they don't know what they're talking about.
Sir77Hill
'Forget them, they're all jealous'
So only Parisians are worthy of representing France and the french? Seems like you're proving their point.
@Sir77Hill mdr ça va on est à l'aise?
Sarah Bannon tiny apartment is really a Paris thing since the density and prices there are crazy. Same for everyone in a big metropolis from NYC to Tokyo. Elsewhere in France, people have bigger home, even if indeed, having a huge mansion isn't a French thing. It's more related to culture than to money. Showing off in France isn't well perceived
Yes, you DO look like a real parisienne now!! Congrats.
That's so informative and thought-provoking)
I am a Russian living in Italy (for over 5 years as well), and with smiling and positivity I find it vice versa. Russian culture is also more introvert, similar to French in this way (as in if you're smiling to strangers people might think you are unwell), and Italian is completely extravert - they adore chatting, they are very open and rather smiley. And I find myself tired to be so outward all the time. I just need to go walk around with a stone face sometimes. When I come back to Russia though people say how more smiley and positive I am than a standard Russian)) so... somewhere in the middle.
I’ve been living in Paris for two weeks now (finally with my long distance BF! ♡) and already I’ve noticed changes in myself too! Back home (Australia) every day make up can be quite heavy and pose no issue, so as I was meeting my boyfriends parisian friends at the bar, they were quite shocked/judgey at the amount of make up I was wearing! I was quite embarrassed as I noticed the girls around me with little to no make up on, so now I keep it very, very minimal compared to what I usually would. On the plus side, like you said, I feel I look a lot tidier/fresh/smarter with less make-up anyway! I also notice how different the roads/pedestrian crossings are! It’s chaotic out there, I have a panic attack every time I need to get somewhere. In Aus if you don’t own a car you’re practically screwed to get around, here I definitely think it’s wiser to take public transport, that’s gonna take time for me to get used to 😳
You need to develop more serious interests, unless you are still under the age of 17?
Very inspiring video
I'm glad To see that the good part is the majority of the vid
Hey Rosie! Lovely video as always! Watch out for the sync between audio & video. I work in music & sound so yeah. This might annoyed me more than someone that isn't. Anyway keep up the great job. I'm always looking forward to what you have to say :)
Are you recording yourself over the video when it is already shot? I hear some parasites sound some times.
I'm agree, first time the sync bother me :/
As a kiwi 4 years in france I can also relate,especially the complaining part.
J'adore tes vidéos, celle-ci est très touchante, c'est aussi très intéressant d'avoir ce regard extérieur. J'en veux encore ;)
So you're TOTALLY french right now. Congratulations. Seriously, you can answer the naturalisation you are like us ! You know french people better than ourselves.
Hey Rosie, I'm a Frenchie living in Aus and it's super interesting listening to your take on French culture. I'm having to learn exactly the opposite to you: how to be less confrontational, how to casually chit chat to the cashier etc It's sometimes sooo frustrating to me when people have this ush ush, don't rock the boat (or let's not get political) mentality. A healthy debate can be good, otherwise you can end up bottling up all anger and frustration! (And the funny thing is, people thought I was mostly avoiding confrontation back in France). Being "overly friendly" is something I also struggle with. I remember the first time I saw my boyfriend having a full on conversation with the cashier at Woolies I was baffled haha To me being polite meant packing my stuff as quickly as possible and trying not to clog up the line. Simple things like asking how are you? And genuinely try to answer to that same question took me a whole year to register and become natural >
I was also wondering if you quickly explain the "little war"/ banter that is going between the Kiwis and the Aussies. I guess we sorta have the same thing going on with Belgium and Switzerland but I feel like here it's on a whole different level. As in, sometimes I find people can be borderline racist...talking about the number of Kiwis coming to live in Australia for example. Another example is someone like my father in law, a decent man who's traveled the world and isn't particularly close-minded, who refuses to go to NZ no matter what. Even if he'd get a trip for free, he'd told you there's nothing there to see...(when we all know NZ is one of the most beautiful countries in the world). I genuinely can't understand his attitude. (He might have to do with the fact that Aussies can be a bit tough and mean when they banter, something that I struggle with as I never get the joke and take things personally haha)
the parcel stories sound like a good video for the future. did you ever track them down? is there any particular reason why the parcel system is so horrible? (I have given up, I stopped ordering online)
I could resonate with that one! In France my debit card stopped working so I had my parents wire me money via western union at La Poste throughout my last month of stay. Many times the workers at la poste wouldn't handle my request because it required lots of typing in information, so they said they were "closing up" an hour and a half before the true closing time. I hopped around 3 postes and just said merci understandly and left. Finally one time they said there was a 'mistake' on the form and couldn't handle it, and I sucked up the courage to challenge them and said in broken french "I need my money. Please call whoever you need to in order to straighten this out" and within five minutes and a phone call to their boss I had my money! I didn't realize I had the power to stand up for myself, and that it goes a long way there
Lots of people complain about La Poste (it's a national sport!) but given that it is by far the largest parcel delivery system in france, it's expected to get more issues than private delivery services (which frankly, for me, works less good than the national one. I had more poor than good experiences with private services, and I mean international ones like DHL and TNT).
I think her issues are probably tied to the fact all her parcels were international ones, and it's certainly a huge dark spot in the La Poste service, as apparently they only have one gigantic postal centre for international, plane-delivered parcels, and having parcels stuck or lost there isn't uncommon.
But for European and national deliveries, it's rather good, and as more mailmen are usually keeping the same sector for years, they can do things like coming back to deliver you a parcel if they know you're usually home a bit later, or give the parcel to a relative of yours.
Wow,I have a lot of French in me! I heartily believe and engage in debate and discussion of ideas. In the US south (where I live); they think you’re being rude or abrasive. It’s so annoying. Same with aesthetics. People here don’t notice their environment. I am same with critiquing. Impatience, saying I’m “ok” when things are great! So funny. I find my personality is more reflective of my French and English roots than my German heritage. Interesting.
Hi Ms Rosie: I'm sorry I am late watching this wonderful video... Have you been to Quebec? I would love to get your insights & opinions on how France and Quebec are similar & different in their own unique French cultures. I realize that even France has varying cultures from one end of the country to the other (especially the difference in Paris & rural France), but there are many French people (especially women) who migrate to Quebec & enjoy the similarities. Great idea for a future video? Take care & be safe.
I am an american living in a small village in france and I definately agree with you on buying less. In reality the choices here much less so we save so much more money than in the states. I enjoy not being so attached to shopping and buying more stuff.
Ces commentaires sont super originaux ! C super bien trouvé. En plus, elle a carremement raison lol Son portrait des francais est très juste ! 😂👍🏻
en tant que française je trouve sympa de voir comment les personnes d'autres origines ( rien de péjoratifs!) nous perçoivent . pleins de bonnes choses a toi dans notre beau pays. Et pour moi j'aimerais un jour avoir la possibilité de visiter le votre ;)
I’m always impressed how you get every french behaviour so accurately right.
People think that french people are rude because they’re not all excited but they have a lot of polite manners that they respect it’s just that for them that a little coldness is a way to not bother other people and that’s polite.
hi rosie could you please make a video about how you learnt French!
Mais en fait ce n'est que des qualités, il faut toujours garder un esprit critique sur chaque choses afin de peser le pour et le contre. Super vidéo encore salutations de France !
Rosie i stop by to say hello to you as i wrote a nice article about my childhood in very confused world we live in today and hope it will change for the better someday bye bye
Hello ! I'm french and i've just discovered your channel with this video (youtube recommand it to me after watching a Paul Taylor's Vlog), i really appreciate your synthesis on your living in France experience, i like having point of views like yours it is always very pleasent to see how we (frenchies) are compared to other countries, how we live, thine differently than other peoples, i've never been to NZ but it is on my to do list, even if 2 weeks ago i've seen a reportage on the milk industry in NZ and how it is literrally ruining the environnement with this millions of cows, and ruining the economy with all the indebtedness that is growing and growing for NZ's farmers. Anyway i will check your other videos, i hope some of them talks of NZ. Keep going ! Bye
Glad to see that even our attitudes toward the "anglo way of doing so called customer service" is also starting to make sense to you now ;)
So many anglos saying "there's no such a thing as customer service in France" no there is but we're not fake about it and also that''s not how the dynamic work in France there is no "anglo way of doing it" yeah okay fair enough but none at all totally untrue it's just done in a different way and on another level
Your are so much french now ! 😱🇫🇷
You just have everything that defines a french person.. and everything I thought I was but I'm starting to loose 😂 As living abroad in an English cultured country, I am becoming more friendly with strangers (which get me looks from my pairs when I come home 😂😂 ), enthusiastic about many new little things...
One thing you CAN'T cut out a french person is complaining about pretty much everything...which I still do. I just can't help myself. I was built like this 😋 🇫🇷 Well that and my taste for strong cheese 🧀
Eh bien, I have a question. I think using credit quite often is really a US thing. OTH I think of New Zealand being closer to England (because of the Commonwealth), and I believe that English people behave like in France with respect to credit (I might be wrong, though).
Do you think of yourself beeing closer to US or to England ? (in general, not just about credit)
Love your lipstick tint! Debate encouraged inside a highly socialized culture reminds me of Buddhism.
being french , i think she exagerate about our socialism. We live in a capitalist country. The administration take 20 % of our wage for retirement and health security but we don"t need private insurance for them. The entreprise pays for our retirement and health insurance too. You have certainly the same system in australia or new zealand.
With the minimum wage in france 1400 euros / month you can buy electronic things too.
Salut stephen10 By 'highly socialized' I meant the degree to which etiquette and a certain conformity to social norms is prized within the culture, not the political or economic system of socialism.
I love the idea of debate at work and in my relationships if It is not held against me. That is very appealing. I find in America most people take dissent as a personal attack, especially from a woman, not as a free exchange of ideas and possible approaches.
ha ok , i m not fluent in english. I understand that you mean with socialized
it's super annoying though to never get your parcels... low salaries -> the employees steal everything
your videos are lovely, generous and very understanding, thank you
Great Vidéo ! Happy you had a good experience here. Just an adivce, For wearing fancy make up and bright color : go to South of France ! (Marseille, Montpellier...) ;)
I think it's good to migrate when you are young. I'm almost 50 and enjoy visiting France 🇫🇷 every summer. It's too late for me. I have a degree in French Literature and I live in the U.S. I can get by, but that's it. At least my degree paid off in life to be able to appreciate France on holiday. I think your videos are wonderful and very informative. Thank you so much for all of them. With that said, do you ever feel like throwing in the towel and go back to NZ? It sounds so tough. Nothing wrong with consumerism but I know what you mean about job promotions and credit cards, but I think money does not go as far for anything there unless you have a well paid job. I don't think I could survive that at this age. I'm not spoiled and I don't value money over friends or family, but I think money helps with having a quality life. It's an energy that gives you freedom. I love France! Wish I had your courage when I was your age. Thank you again!
Excellent video! I'm definitely a bigger b*tch now that I've been in France for more than 5 years! 😂😂😂
Hi!
You haven't listed anything positive exepted the " oh c'est beau ". And we don't blame you.
it's true that it's a huge difference between France and a country like New Zealand/ Australia/UK.
I'm French myself and married to a British man. We've tried to settle in France for a year but decided to move back to UK as people are not patient and rude. They don't know how to drive and act really dangerously on the road .
Obviously some are nice but when it's everyday that you see bad behaviour you get easily sick of it.
I really love this kind of video ☺️ You should come to Reunion Island. It’s French but not French haha you know what I mean.
You're the cutest adopted French 💙 would you do a video about French girls? I'm curious 😊
This made my really reflect on how living abroad has changed me. I think Australia had the biggest impact on me although I spend more time living in the French part of Switzerland than Australia
Not Even French Interesting! I really wonder if my personality changed while I was over there - It probably did to some extend
Why?
I would like to do a post-doctorate in an english-speaking country so it's interesting to me
Danica Christin ooh can I ask how Australia changed you?
When I think of typical Australian traits I think of laid back people who don’t take life too seriously and who can poke fun at anything and everything including theirselves. I also think of sporty people, surfers, people who’re accustomed to wild animals, also if we’re talking about aussies of british heritage I think of tall, blonde, blue eyed model look-alikes lol :P
BlueSkies11 I've definitely become more outgoing and open. Not sure about the wild animal thingy though ... 75% of Aussies live in big big cities. Different for the people from the outback, but there aren't that many of them
Danica Christin ahh that’s really interesting, cheers for replying!!
As an American...I get the need to be over-zealous with cheesiness to strangers...having said that, some people are just naturally like that. There eventually has to be a balance when visiting other countries. I sanction that I person should be truth-telling when for example saying NO, when you are brought up to people-please (and be NICE, at a cost to oneself). Here's where I draw the line, when anyone just thinks that they can criticize or judge me to my face...WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. Culturally sanctioned or not, strangers have no right to it, unless there is real harm involved. If I happen to like what I am wearing, comfortable & not revealing at all, what business is it to anyone else? So what if it's not in fashion for the moment. More people mind their own business. Balance is key to everything & going out your way to just other people down, just to make yourself feel superior says a lot. You seem like a nice lady....if anyone does that to you, I suggest you tell them if they really must FIX someone to start with the one in the MIRROR. I mean people should have some amount of freedom to just be themselves. Suppressing our true selves, at the end of the day, leads to all kinds of unhappiness. Balance is key in EVERYTHING. And for all the need to complain....well, I think it's fine to say ONCE that something is not working out as we hoped. But the need to do it constantly will wear you down. The book 'Don' t Swear the Small Stuff' taught me so much. If we are REALLY UNABLE to change the circumstances at the moment, constant whining will take us to the place of a peaceful mind. I really enjoy your videos & look forward to visiting Paris soon. May you be blessed in all ways possible.
Great comment. Constant complaining is very unhealthy and keeps a person focused on what they don't want which attracts more of the same. True strength is in not having a victim mindset and focusing on the positive or changing what you're dissatisfied with. We need to be more mindful and not take on the traits of a culture that are not congruent with our own values.
@@rachelarmel7547 i agree fully with you. I think its so sad that the cultural norm there is to complain always about virtually everything. If something is out of your control, then just say "oh well fuck it " and get on with your day. These people would be much happier if they realized that you receive what you put out in to the world. If you are constantly putting out negative energy , then you will always have a negative mindset and always receive negative energy back, and that to me is so sad. Life is beautiful and we have so much to be happy about.
I try to learn english but i don't understand enough :( i hope your kind of channel , helps me to improve my learning in english ^^
As always you are such a sweet person, I like your thinking. Debate in France is not seen as a confrontation. Thought there is sometimes confrontations, but normally it is seen as Something out of order and rude, even thought more and more french loose that polite nature and behaviour they had. In the past we would have never got annoyed about people being very polite and give a hight level of service, on the contrary, but now it's true french especially in Paris people became less urban, and more impatient, les courteous, but it's not true of all french, some like me like old fashioned french manners and we dislike any kind of impolitness, and we gladly welcome in cafe or restaurants a waiter that shows great ability to be very attentiv, smiling and polite. Or maybe I jus got your meaning wrong, you'll tell me. ^^
Yay !! Strong cheese rules !!
Ah, you're one of us now, sis !
Welcome in the grumpy club! ;-) You've got your french citizenship degree!
becoming grumpy is a huge step! :-)
Hello ! What a great video again, and I will repeat what many people said before : thaks to you I learned on my own culture (I'm french).
The thing that I noticed and makes me sad because it's true, is about hair, make-up and clothes style. Yes, a lot of people are making critics about it if you are not "like everyone else" so I can only telle you that : be yourself, really, wear the clothes you want as you want and same thing for your hair (I can't say anything about make-up because I don't make myself up at all). Really, stop thinking about others opinion, time is moving on and french people are more tolerant and less narrow-minded than before. That's it. ^^
I said it all below, i think i'm fond of you
You sound like living in France has brought you a lot. I'm wondering, what did you lose by leaving New-Zealand ? Of course you miss your family and friends but I mean, in terms of lifestyle, attitude towards life in general, any regrets ?
Rosie, Absolutely, when in France, do as the French but "To thine own self be true."
difficults expat situations... yeah.... c'est la vie!
thank you for the video..now i know why my French students behave like that..im from Malaysia btw..merci :)
I understand that compared to Australia or NZ, salaries are lower in France...But compared to the rest of the world (or Europe), wages are actually really high! People can (and do) buy electronics all the time.
Thank you for your interesting perspective :)
About the confrontation thing, remember that the name of our country "France" comes from franks, and like in english this word exist also in French, "franc" wich is a noun to talk about the german tribe that took down the roman empire in the actual France but also the adjective you should know the meaning.
It also has a meaning of liberty, of freedom, we consider that if you can say whatever you want to say, you are truly free (it doesn't mean you want to say things that could hurt people you love, but that you feel free about saying it or not).