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Lone Rider ADV tent VS Big Agnes HOTEL 3 Bikepack
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ส.ค. 2024
- What are the biggest differences between the Lone rider ADV tent and the Big Agnes Hotel 3?
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Sounds like to me, you are describing that you need a 4 season tent, one meant for winter camping that can be sealed for your protection from the wind. Those tents appear to be 3 season tents and the gap you mention is meant for air flow to help prevent condensation.
Since 26 years i believe in my same Hilleberg Nallo 2. Trekking and motor(biking)😎😉. Have a good trip together guys
That’s a long lasting tent! 😛
Haha I'ven't used the trick on such large tents. That takes some strong magic :) Great work!
😂 yeah it works on tents of all sizes 😝 thanks for teaching me 😅
So have you figured out why Tents have gap between fly and tent and vents ?
Moisture - condensation can be a big problem when it comes to keeping warm and dry. Moisture will permeate your clothes and your sleeping bag.
In moderate to extreme cases it will drip from the ceiling.
Good tent placement helps and a quality sleeping bag 800-900 fp Down with DWR will help with your warmth.
Place panniers - top box next to tent to help buffer the wind.
If sleeping next to bike make sure that bike is leaning to the opposite side of the tent 😮
I have the big Agnes with the long poles and I can pack it down smaller then my sleeping bag In a compression sack. Love the room I get in a small package.
I think they are doing the extra ventilation slot all around to stop people from having condensation inside in bad weather and therefore thinking the tent is not waterproof. There are options like Hilleberg Soulo or Naturehike Cloud peak, that are more 4-seasonish. I like the Lone Rider, recently bought the naturehike Mongar 2 (which is basically identical) and loving it, but same problem in heavy winds.
Yeah I understand why. I just think a flap should be standard on all tents, because almost all have the same problem. At least for me who uses the tent in all conditions. A flap would make it a 4 season tent… much more useful.
Great video, Kenneth. Thank you for the comparison of the two tents. I’d also love to see how you enjoy your tenting for the evening and night. I miss camping so much.
Glad you liked it 😛
Then I guess I’ll have to make a video in camp at some point 😝
Hi Kenneth, Nice video!
The gab is for ventilation, otherwise you got a lot of condensation.
Grtz Rene
Yeah I get that, but a flap should still be standard so you have options. Half the time I camp condensation is not an issue, but wind is…
Yes a flap that could be openen☺️ or closed should be perfekt👍
Great comparison Kenneth. I’ve found that I’m able to put in tent pegs about 90% of the time in my travels. And about 75% it’s easy, so I use a tent that’s can be 100% freestanding for when like you say, get stuck on concrete or asphalt. I need 2 pegs if real windy but can use bike and something else in that situation.
Learned the hard way as years ago used tents that required pegs to even be usable…Not fun!
Really looking forward to your updates as you travel with Jonathan.👍👍
Good, balanced review. Thanks from Australia!
I own a lone rider tent and am happy with it, here in Australia the ventilation is an asset in summer when in reality most of my camping is done so that gap between the bottom of the tent and the ground is not an issue.
I did look at the Big Agnes bike pack 2 man tent, it has shorter poles which is a big bonus because I like to pack my tent in my soft pannier bag, the BA poles are only 300mm as opposed to the LR which are 430mm.
Problem is the BA is nearly 1000 Aussie dollars, the LR is $650, which is a lot of money for me.
My dream tent is a Hilleberg but they are on the crazy side of $1300, so way out of reach for me.
Great comparison of the tent. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Yeah I guess you have other requirements in those conditions 🙂
I still haven’t found a tent I am completely happy with. Both of these ticks off most boxes, but not all.
There must be a huge hole in Jonathan‘s bankacount. A new bike, new helmet, completely new clothes, new mosko bags, new tent, … and all of it high end. He better travels a long time with you. 😅 Enjoy and have fun!
Genau @meinekleineweltreise , just my thoughts !! But : if you pay one time for high end you never need more money to upgrade, depends who advice you ( both have likely the same equipment :-) ) if I advice a guy with my experience now ! He pay a lot of money but save the learning nugget ;-)
I bought hard panniers .. to hard to fall on
I bought Mosko ( to small (for me all the time searching )
No I go with line rider and it perfekt
Use 2 tents from Amazone ( 100 euro each ) horrible wet nights … now I spent the money for ( not final Jubba bubba nx2 or LR Adv
It all depends on :
Age ( with my 48 It’s not meaning of hardcore to sleep uncomfortable)
We’re you go ( Polen Rumanien Spain or France ( I know I want far away but … )
Definition of Off-road my GS goes every way ( if not .. depends on my skills ) )
Hi Kenneth I own the Husky Falcon 2 and it has flaps to prevent wind, snow, sand. I can highly recommend it. Thanks for the great video!
This comes at a good time because I’m shopping for a tent.
Hope you found this useful 😛
Excellent comparison of these two tents. I haven’t tent camped in years. It appears that tents sure have improved. Last one I used was a one man tent. Very, very small and lightweight, but absolutely no room for very much other gear. Thanks for sharing this comparison. Take care and ride safe Kenneth!
Thanks 😊
You should get back out there and do it again 😛 nothing better than waking up in the Forrest 😊
I don’t know what tents used to be like, but still there seem to be no tent that is good enough… they are all missing something very simple to make them twice as good…
I prefer to have some space. If I go in just a weeks trip I don’t care, but since this is my home now I want a bit of luxury too 😛
You raised a great point about having extra shelter space for just chilling in for when it rains. I will be winter camping in August and never even considered that before 😅. I only have a small Denali hikers tent and unfortunately it doesn't come with a ground sheet so have to bring a separate tarp. Now I am thinking I'll need a second one just for extra space haha. Maybe one day I will be able to afford to purchase the Lone Rider tent 🤞. It's going to be an int winter trip for me haha.
Yeah I really enjoy having the extra space.
It’s so nice to sit inside when it’s windy. Except for the huge gap…
Tonight we are camping on the border with Spain and it’s really windy. A flap would make the night so much more pleasant….
Hi Kenneth, we considered both tents and ended up with the big Agnes. It works well for two of us with all our bike kit and we really appreciate the vestibule when it’s wet. We’ve used it recently for a 2 month trip across Europe and if the weather was too atrocious we air bnb’d instead…thankfully we had great weather for most of the time. It’s currently with our bikes in a container on its way to Cape Town ready for our African adventure so 🤞we don’t have the issues you have had with the wind and sand.
ahh cool! sounds like an amazing trip! I love the extra space in the big agnes on shitty days 😅😛
Both good options, but Lina would ask where the ensuite is?
Superb spot to camp.
Company coffee, countryside. Perfect.
Happy travels 👍
😂 it’s in the bush 😝 there’s even a bathroom there 😅
@@RidetheBean 😁
Good video!! Stay warm and safe!
Thanks 😊
Nice comparison. I have MOTOTENT and also considering ADV tent. It's space Vs free standing for me, most of the time space is appreciated but when it comes to free standing it's mostly critical situation
I'm currently looking for a new tent and found this comparison very useful, so thank you. I broughth my old tent out this weekend, to have a look at it, and it went straight in the bin... 😕
I’m glad 🙂
Tents really depends on what type of traveling you are doing. None are perfect for all conditions…
Fun to watch you two and sharing the comparing the tents. Thanks again guys.
Glad u liked it 😛
Nice comparison Kenneth, I'm sticking with my old faithful Coleman Phad2 tent.
I have not heard of that, but It’s probably pretty good then I guess 😛
Here in Scotland I prefer a tent that can be erected very quickly (as it always rains) 😂.
I use the Slumit 3 man tent. It is large when packed away but is free standing and erects in seconds for those rainy times. I’d recommend pegging it down once you have your gear inside. Talking on that, me and the wife, along with all our gear fit inside the tent comfortably. Slumit do a 1,2&4 man version. I wouldn’t recommend the one man but I am looking at the two man for when I ride solo.
Yaaay new video 🙌😁
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I have been using my Outwell Earth 2 for ages now. It is light, easy to put up and quite small in its bag. As long as it lasts it will be my home during my trips...
i have the same tent, its awesome
The top poles, that make the space wider must bu on top of the long poles for the lone-rider tent. I have Lone-Ride tent and Coleman Caucasus, which is similar to Big Agnes. I like both :P
Didn’t think about that. It works both ways but thanks for the tip 😛
@@RidetheBean It does work both ways, but the connection could snap, because it has to carrye the weight. But if it's on top, then it doesn't have to carry :P
Anyways it's a good tent, I slept in it in October in Finland while riding TET there :P
Thank you for the comparison, I have the Lone-Rider Moto-Tent and I agree it's pack-size isn't optimal. I mostly struggle to pack it on my Yamaha Tracer 900 GT. So I'm looking around for experiences with the ADV tent or maybe a different brand that pack size fits better.
Very interesting comparison!
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hi everyone, i didn't choose this tent when it came out. Lone Rider tents are too heavy for me. 3.5KG and bulky.
I have a 2.5 kg two-seater Jamet where I have plenty of room for one person and the various pieces of luggage and clothing. of course there may or may not be any space in the two apses. I do a lot of off-road trips and I favor lightness. It is obvious that if you travel in winter seasons or even colder and windier countries, you have to think about choosing a more technical 4-season tent.
good video see you soon
Yeah they are a bit heavy. But the quality is excellent. They last for a long time.
But it depends on what you value when traveling.
I value time in camp equally to the riding. So having a bit more comfort is important to me.
And I travel through all seasons, so I need all kinds of clothing… I also prefer to sleep in a hammock if I can. So I have that too 😅
That video helps me a lot👌 Now l think l know what tent to by for this season and the next one…..LR😊 But one queston: Which one do you think is the best one in rainy weather?😳
Depends on the rain… in most type of weather the big agnes is more than enoug, but I would think that in real torrential downpour the lone rider is a bit more waterproof.
thanks for the detailed review
Great review ! Can you also pull a table cloth out from under a set table...
I quit tent camping after repeated instances of gangs of pesky racoons partying all night around me and making it difficult to sleep.
It's my warm, dry van now.
Pro tip: Don't leave beer out camping in the Pacific NW of the states - racoons will open and drink it.
😂 oh that sucks 😅
I’ve never had a problem with wildlife before. We don’t have raccoons in Norway😂 but I have a hyena steel my friends shoe while wild camping in Serengeti 😂
A van is great, but you can’t take it on mountain tracks. I’ll save the van for when I am too broken to ride bikes 😅
@@RidetheBean The Serengeti? Oh hell no tent camping there for me!
A tank maybe😉.
I think I prefer a tent with a large "vestibule" to store all wet packing in bad weather. Then you don't have to put it in the "sleeping part" of the tent.
Yeah it is really nice to have on shitty days. Especially when cooking!
look at 4 season back packing and mountaineering tents. They are more expensive but will not let wind and debris into the tent!
Yeah but you shouldn’t need a more expensive tent to put some flaps on it. It’s not just in winter it’s windy… all tents should have told down flaps
One question: Have you tried swapping tents for one night, just to evaluate them further?
No, but that’s a good idea 😛
I think the big gap at the bottom is probably to cut down on condensation and allow more air through, I'd rather be dry and need a layer more at night I think than have a wet sleeping bag in the morning 🤔
Yeah but having a flap you can flip down when it’s windy would be good. If it’s windy there is no condensation anyway.
@@RidetheBean sure, the breeze is a major thing, I camped in a spot surrounded by hedges last weekend, and I was soaked on account of no air movement and condensation 🙁
Hi Ken,
many thanks for this comparison and first hand information.
I checked a lot of videos, blogs and reports about bike/motorcycle tents and made a short list for myself:
Wechsel Forum 4 2, 54x18, 3,8 kg 499 €
Lone Rider ADV 42x14, 3,35 kg, 349€
Redverz Hawk II, 40x15, 3,0 kg 499 €
MSR Elixir 2, 51x17, 2,77 kg 260 €
MSR Hubba Hubba NX 2, 46x15, 1,72 kg, 355 €
Saleva Denali II, 47x20, 2,6 kg 240 €
Fjällräven Abisko View 2, 44x16, 2,7 kg 750 €
Big Agnes COPPER SPUR HV UL2 BIKEPACK, 32x15, 1,6 kg, 499 €
Some of my criteria are: weight, packing size, made for Northern regions and withstand some heavy rain and wind, not too much mesh use for the inner tent, price, gap between inner and outer tent, ...
After a long test weekend in a
Coleman Darwin 2, 44x14, 2,8 kg, 69 €
I realized, that the length of the inner tent was too short for me. Most of the inner tents are actually too short.
Also some newer tent generations are not as good as their predecessors anymore.
So I found with Robens a German/Danish brand and some of their inner tents are actually 225 cm long.
My candidate was a
Robens Lodge 2, 48x18, 3,1 kg, 279 €
but not available or for a too high price.
Finally I bought the
Robens Voyager EX 2, 43x17, 3,2 kg, 239 €
which offers as a tunnel tent also this extra storage area and the inner (dry) tent to be setup after the outer shell. It is not free standing and I hope I will not have an issue with it in the future.
Enjoy your riding and camping time 💙💛🏁🤛🏼
Thanks for all the info 😛
Interesting…🤔
So many tents to choose from. And none of them are perfect. Some could very easily be with small modifications though…
What si your opinion about the Lone Rider Moto tent (the ´Big Onéreux’). Thanks a lot. Alain from Trance
I love it. But I don’t love the pack size. So it depends on the kind of trip your are on. It it is the most comfortable tent I have once it is set up. It’s like a house.
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No, No, No.No,
The cross poles on the Lone Rider tent go ON TOP of the end to end poles. Never ever put the tent up that way again.
😂😂 okey 🙈
Let’s hope Lone Rider is listening
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What food did he bring?:P
Only beer. Quite enough 🍻😝
And some ravioli 😝