@@starxmonTo respond to your question about why judges give criticism that is not always represented in the score. The final score is averaged between the votes of the judges and the live audience. In fact, the votes of the audience in the second mission were stronger than those of the judges. Many people blame the judges for everything when their score is actually watering, first because it is a single average between all the judges + the guest judge and second because the audience vote is usually worth at least 50%.
I remember the episode where one of the judges told jiwoo after her universe performance that he never knew she could sing this good mind you she had perfomances like 4 walls,bad boy and that enhypen song beforehand…..
Fr. I was livid. Like what???? Were you deaf for every performance before? because Jiwoo was the obvious front runner in vocals since her first performance. I could not deal with these judges
I really didn't think it could get worse than GP999....BELIFT really said you international fans aren't going to vote the way we want you to? Ok, you are not allowed to vote during the finale, and btw that vote is worth 70% of the voting, while the voting you were able to do that WEEK is only worth 30%. Oh, and to add on to that, the voting is only for 2 members just in case....That's WILD! I wish I had never gotten invested in that show because it literally was for nothing.
Its so crazy how it keeps on getting worse and worse each ep 💀 like eliminating chanelle and jiwoo was one of the biggest crimes committed in the world of kpop survival show fr💀
Everything I know about RUNext I got from twit and the way there were treating Chanelle grossed me out. Everyone made Chanelle snapping at Wonhee a much bigger deal than it had to be and then the judges laughing in her face when she was visibly upset and exhausted???? I bet if she wasn't half Korean and born before 2006, they wouldn't have treated her like that. Glad I didn't really get invested in the show and just watched from afar.
It was Chanelle's stans that made it a big deal tbh because they were afraid that Chanelle might've received negative reactions from Koreans (where Wonhee got more support). Koreans really didnt care abt it, they pitied the situation between Wonhee and Chanelle situation but disappointed to Chanelle because her hopelessness affected her performance. Ofc, some also have negative reactions about her having a weak mentality bcos she's going to debut as an idol. About the laughing part, you should watch it WITHOUT bias pov because some are really pushing narrative about that part. Judges were amused rather than mocking Chanelle. You should not believe anything from tiktok, i swear. I believe Chanelle's not debuting was because of her weak mentality that affects her performance and the producers got a negative impression abt her during the pride audition. Even the most viewers who were watching it without bias got it. Even some chanelle supporters were disappointed when she said it out loud that she doesn't want it anymore.
@@hanseolyoung5740 But the whole part was just rlly odd, like she said she didnt want the song and they couldve been understanding and just calmly told her they think she suits this song better but instead they laughed when this girl is clearly distressed and annoyed why does she have to be understanding when she isnt older than the judges and lets not get into how unfair some of the matches were like these girls also got like only a little bit of time to prepare it was so obvious who was gonna debut. On top of all that this girl is already stressed about how the contestants who arent meeting the bare minimum of singing and dancing for high level were getting crazy screen time. Although it is true she shouldnt have said that it could have been a spur of the moment like lets say small annoying things keep piling up you might say "Im sick of this" or something on that level. im not defending her words but we should honestly look at how this situation might stress her out this girlie isnt even with her parents rn LOL. On one hand its true that Wonhee and chanelle did have a lil moment it wasnt anything crazy I didnt even see anyone post abt it like crazy who was a chanelle stan i mean the whole situation was Chanelle was doing a song she didnt want to do and Wonhee doesnt want to do this part because the pitch is high and Chanelle doesnt wanna do it either so she just got a bit upset. Producers shouldnt be worried about her weak mentality because if they did they wouldve just scrapped the moment. Youre making it seem like the producers didnt already know the company already have their 4 picks LOL!!
@@carlmark4977 watch again the episode 8 and understand it without being bias to Chanelle. Put yourself in the shoe of the pds. They didnt know what Chanelle was going thru that time. They gave her main vocal position. The guest pd saw how not happy Chanelle was when they assigned it to her. They were amused by Chanelle's reaction that time. After they laugh, Lee hyun asked her respectfully and in a calm way why she wanted Scrum. The other pds calmly explained why the main vocal position fits her. If you were in the position of the pds what would you think about her? The guest pd even thought that they gave Chanelle main position...why she was not happy?(again, they were not aware of Chanelle's problem) . Not only that, they still let Chanelle audition in sub-vocal positions even though they already said that the next audition is for the trainees who don't have a main position yet. But Chanelle still stood infront of them. Lee hyun said "IM SURE SHE HAS REASON" and let her audition. Dont forget that you watched a KPOP survival show not a western one. Seniority still stands for them. Chanelle was only a trainee. So as long as she was not an idol yet, she should respect whatever the pds say to her unless she's the one who made the song. She should leave a good impression. Sadly, she did otherwise. If you know DA, one of the criteria of debuting is professionalism. I think Hybe applies it to all of their trainees.
@@hanseolyoung5740 once again I also understand what you mean but the difference is the producers have more footage than us meaning they definitely knew how mentally exhausted she was.. Obviously the problem with what the judges did was not giving her pride but it was them laughing at her even though she looks sick of it. Lee Hyun wasnt even the worst of them it was the other 2 that were laughing in her face and calling her ridiculous. And the other problem was with the way they criticised her after the performance "You sang this song like you would sing scrum" that basically just means "You wouldve suited scrum just fine" But they turned it into something else entirely. The same was done with Jiwoo as well. And its not like anyone couldnt tell that Jiwoo suited Pride way better than Scrum she's a natural darker concept girl its even laughable they came to the conclusion. The judges asked Chanelle and even whispered "I'm not gonna change my mind" The whole its a KOREAN survival show changes nothing even Korean netizens commented that the judges did a lil too much with her LOL I'll be real if I was her the show was obvi rigged from the first few eliminations and they obvi saw the other episodes so she knows how she was edited this only makes the situation worse. The producers obvi knew who they wanted to make look good and it def wasnt chanelle so what do the producers have to do with this? Also I dont know if you think the pds mean the mentors or what but the pds are the one who decide who's gonna debut from the beginning
Runext was so messy ,way too rushed and way too rigged (they didn't try to hide it frr 😭) it felt not planned at all and that was its problem ( I feel sorry for the people whom runext was their 1st survivalshow experience😭), I felt like hybe was planning iland 2 but then their beef with mnet happened so they just rushed and we had runext at the end ... like hybe had their lineup planned since the beginning its obv but they instead decided to put a survival show and at the end theyll get what they want 😭 + I'm still so mad how they made us vote so hard just to not include our votes in the rankings esp at the final i mean we voted fot 6 people but they suddenly decide to let knetz only vote live 💀 then they only chose 2 girls from the votes likee hybe make it make sense 😃 In the end I'm happy for the ill it girlies still waiting for MOTHER JIWOO (i need my girl's debut so baddd ) , Chanelle , jeemin , jihyun , hyewon and funa debutation 😭😭
@@AK-yl5venow I really do not know why yall international fans always fall for these statements, I thought that atp we all know that they will never include international fans in the final decision lmao, they don't give af, which is why I didn't even both voting cause I knew they would pull some BS like this
iroha was easily the best minor y’all need to bfr. she’s the best dancer on the entire show, her vocals are better than himena, better stags presence, and even the prettiest like idk why y’all love to lie so much
@@yea7280 You’re a liar or you’re just delulu. At least Himena has stable vocals, never used autotune, never did a single mistake in she show, And Himena has a better stage presence and fits a lot of concept You need to bfr
what i think is crazy is the fact Chanelle ranked in the top in votes right before being eliminated. and the show showed the points that Chanelle got to be eliminated. like clearly Chanelle had votes to get into the "debut" ranks. but there should've been a rule or something where people voted into the debut ranks were safe from being eliminated or something like that. it also reminds me of a non kpop related thing, where someone would go after someone else got points, so the judges had an idea of how many points to give so someone else to get to the next round. or the other way around where the judges would give the last person to go less points, so that someone else to get to the next round.
its cuz it builds hype but atp i think if shows continue to be like this then viewership will plummet, western fans are a big % and excluding their votes like this will probably lead them to lose interest in survival shows altogether
@@johannasophia5253 i don't think either should have debuted based on age, but i think we forget iroha is maknae bc she is actually debut-ready... not sure how long iroha trained for, but poor wonhee really just needed another year or 2 to figure it out. she will along the way, but it's not fair to her or the fans.
@@ssylveon I agree that iroha seems to be more prepared skillwise but she would also benefit from more time. I mentioned that I'm still mad because of chanelle and jiwoo not making it but even Jeemin would have been a better option than Iroha... not because I don't like her but because she would be able to develop her skills even more and become a stong fundament of another group
I watched it and I just couldn’t anymore how Chanelle slowly got drained and people made her look like someone rude and disrespectful when she was js tired of the judges bs jiwoo was my last hope and she didn’t even make it 😭and the way they had clear favorism when it was chanelles time to sing the judges are like 😐 but when it’s wonhee they’re like 😍 it’s just sad
I have a lot to say about runext, some I wrote in the previous video after the finale you posted so I’ll keep it short here, it was a waste of time, they professionally rigged the line up and kudos to them for that lmao cause they got their dream line up, they made us vote, panic, they saw us cry for these girls and they saw who were the girls that were most wanted in a group and they still did what they wanted to do, without “breaking the law”, cause they said it from the start of the finale that the judges would choose 4 out of 6 members, and knetz would have the most power in choosing the other 2. Also we do need to talk more about how the girls the judges chose (Yunah, Minju, Moka and Iroha) were the girls that were chosen in the first mission as the two best from middle and high level, and NONE of the girls that got into low level in the beginning debuted. A mess of a show
i h8ted the show to my whole core but i wish people would cut wonhee some slack. at the end of the day she's still a child and it breaks my heart knowing that she might be reading some horribly nasty comments even though she did nothing wrong.
It's not her fault that the judge and hybe think Jiwoo is too old to debut in I'LL IT. They all know Jiwoo can sing better than anyone in the show but still drop her like a hot potato in the end because she does not fit the image of the group (full of underage girls) that they going to debut. To them, she is too old to debut with the group.
it was very obvious that the judges wanted chanelle GONE by the time pride performed. pride got the usual behind the scenes content while scrum's bts content was everyone talking abt how emotional the lyrics were...even the judges cried like wthell
.Also channelle being off key made no sense , it would make more sense being off pitch but being off key means your a whole 8 notes above or below the correct pitch so we could hear that . I’m a singer and she had perfect pitch , she didn’t change and her vocals weren’t supposedly shaky. They just didn’t want her to debut
IM FUXKING PISSED WITH HOW JIHYUN WAS MISTREATED . BEST DANCER ON THE SHOW WITH GREAT VOCALS . Round one her criticism made sense , she carried given taken performance and how did she not get the highest score . She did absolutely fabulous. She did great in the the boys and money but was so under appreciated . She had carried tell me performance but got edited to look like she stole all the parts for herself and did AMAZING IN I DONT CARE . HER AND MINJU WERE THE HIGHLIGHT OF THAT PERFORMANCE . Then in pride she got the sub vocalist 1 part which had parts similar to the main vocal channelle and executed them greatly not doing anything bad AND YET GOT CRITICISES FOR BEING SHAKY WHEN SHE EASILY WASNT , they needed a reason to not let her debut and give her low rankings cause she’s to talented . And eleven pisses me off , I have done singing for 4 years now and jihyun was not unstable at the beginning . She had perfect control of her voice and she had good pitch . She should debut and she got rigged and gaslighted into believing her vocals aren’t good cause the judges have favourites .
no you get it! ruka was definitely the standout during "bang", but the camera focused so much on youngseo that everyone else felt absent from the performance. the show would've benefited from those 4k fancams
i stopped watching after Ruka got eliminated, not because I supported her but there's something strange with the voting process, I just cant pint point where. and thank you for explaining it here...
I feel like they also gave us a completely different idea what the group was going to be with all the badass, "mature" song choices but then they pushed the "youthful" trainees
I was so annoyed when I saw dancing in heels as a mission. There are trainees who were not trained to dance with them BUT ALSO young girls who never even wore them just to walk? it could've ended really badly
I think jihyun got evil edited a lot as being one of the most talented trainees , when she was the leader of tell ‘em , they made her look selfish and taking all the parts for herself . Furthermore ruka and funa both got no screen time despite being some of the most anticipated traineees. Jiwoo and channelle were hated from the beginning and because of the voting system many trainees who should have didn’t make it through like jeemin
tbh while watching runext i kinda expected chanelle and jiwoo to be eliminated like they were my favs but i could tell from the moment the judges made the favoritism obvious im not gonna that ONLY chanelle and jiwoo werent a part of the obvious bias the judges had towards the girls in runext but i just cant remember certain names for example that one person that wore a beanie in money or the one with amazing facials with pigtails in tell me. something that i also hated was the lack of chances moa had to prove herself. when first watching i was like whys she dancing so hard and like wondering if thatll make her voice non stable but i now realize that she just never had a song that fit her. i think she did best in tie a cherry and dance a bang but still she didnt have enough opportunities to show how well she can be. mad rigged honestly and wasnt even surprised when the best people that everyone hoped to be in the final line up got eliminated 💀
IM FUXKING PISSED WITH HOW JIHYUN WAS MISTREATED . BEST DANCER ON THE SHOW WITH GREAT VOCALS . Round one her criticism made sense , she carried given taken performance and how did she not get the highest score . She did absolutely fabulous. She did great in the the boys and money but was so under appreciated . She had carried tell me performance but got edited to look like she stole all the parts for herself and did AMAZING IN I DONT CARE . HER AND MINJU WERE THE HIGHLIGHT OF THAT PERFORMANCE . Then in pride she got the sub vocalist 1 part which had parts similar to the main vocal channelle and executed them greatly not doing anything bad AND YET GOT CRITICISES FOR BEING SHAKY WHEN SHE EASILY WASNT , they needed a reason to not let her debut and give her low rankings cause she’s to talented . And eleven pisses me off , I have done singing for 4 years now and jihyun was not unstable at the beginning . She had perfect control of her voice and she had good pitch . She should debut and she got rigged and gaslighted into believing her vocals aren’t good cause the judges have favourites .Also channelle being off key made no sense , it would make more sense being off pitch but being off key means your a whole 8 notes above or below the correct pitch so we could hear that . I’m a singer and she had perfect pitch , she didn’t change and her vocals weren’t supposedly shaky. They just didn’t want her to debut
i totally believe jeongeun & ruka were originally producer favorites, but since they weren't as popular, their screentime decreased. hyewon was kinda the same but i think fans didn't like her vocals so they stopped talking abt her
Ruka was definitely not producer favourite. I didn't like her but I noticed everyone in the show had higher expectations for her than the rest of the girls. I also noticed ruka had lots of fans
I’m only on the start of the video but I must remind everyone that one thing about how much dayeon was being pushed down our throats was when a team in which she wasn’t even IN go to her house a bonding time ?? Like wtf was that Mnet ?? Like why make all another team screen time all about dayeon’s childhood, home and mum 😶😶😶. And I feel like that strategy is very dangerous because you end up with people like me who can’t really like her because of how much they tried to make us like her (the usual contradiction effect). Also in BP we can see they tried to do the same with Park Hanbin and it ended up hurting him a lot because he and everyone were so sure he was going to debut because of how much the producers were pushing him and giving him false hope. No one wins when you act so blatantly like that. (Okay now back to the video)
the funniest thing abt the "idc" performance was the group insisting on hyewon doing the high notes bc her voice is naturally high which honestly makes ZERO sense, it'd be like asking sana to do "icsm"'s high note 😭😭
Now should we talk about the most obvious proof that Runext is rigged : JEONGEUN lemme first tell you jeongeun’s journey : - First round she got High Level, which was not easy with chanelle and Jiwoo as opponents. - Second, she was in the winning team EVERY SINGLE ROUND, and she is THE ONLY TRAINEE who has won every round without being the one with the less score - Third, Her vote was pretty low but the more the show was going the more her votes were increasing, - She was K-FANS FAVORIT, she got Top1 in korea one-pick voting Then we get to the final, after she showed us how versatile she is + an amazing singer, dancer, performer and even rapper. Her votes increased a lot, She was top6 But she gets kicked out cuz she wasn’t a pd pick And those producers didn’t debut the only one who has never lost + an amazing trainee ? Look how ridiculous this is, Girl has do nothing wrong since the beginning of the show, keep improving, votes keep increasing and she Didn’t debut ? And pd didn’t even choose to debut her ?
EXACTLY!!! She was my top 1 since the first episode and I absolutely loved her talent and she was so good in everything and I loveddd seeing her on stage, if only the lineup was bigger since there was so many good qualities needed that she had along with some of the other trainees
i completely agree with you runext was so messy.. jeemin placing 1st in evaluations, doing well in all performances, high in votes and being constantly praised by the judges doesn’t make it in? the JUDGES don’t even pick her? they were saying all this shit like “now we get why you’re first” “jeemin is back!” jeongeun being hated on by the fandom early airing because she got high instead of jiwoo or chanelle was so unnecessary, she also constantly did well and didnt lose a SINGLE round, but she didn’t get recognition. i repeat, doing well in every performance and being IGNORED by the watchers. i was relying on the korean voters to get in jeongeun because she was the most popular over there, and the last round of (live?) voting was only available for koreans. she would’ve made it from voting, getting 6th, but this utterly ridiculous FOUR judge’s pick screwed her chances. the judges clearly did not like chanelle and it’s so disappointing that they go back on their words too.. how do you criticise someone for making a mistake but still give them a high score? are they pity points? fucking unfair. and when chanelle has a voice crack (which they can hear through their in-ears but we cannot hear it because the show LOVES editing all the girls’ vocals [what is the point of a survival show then..]) that the show editors didn’t deem bad enough to make an overdramatised edit as you said, but their deductions for her are worth hundreds?? compared to a VERY obvious mistake that doesn’t get points taken off? they’re comparing chanelle to her own past performances with different concepts, which is completely unfair because you should have the same standard for EVERYONE. the judges criticise the “good trainees” when they look awkward, but praise wonhee when she DOESN’T look awkward.. what kind of judges..? (this is not hate towards wonhee btw it’s to the judges) they kneww they couldn’t get soyeon as a judge on this because otherwise their favourite trainees would easily get eliminated.. may not be rigging the votes, but definitely using cringe tactics to get the trainees they wanted into the group.
I'm pretty sure they kicked out chanelle because they didn't like that multiple episodes in a row she was crying over what song she got. I think the producers didn't like her attitude and knew they were going to have trouble controlling her and having her stay mentally together and so they told the judges to vote her low so she'd get cut.
i agree with 99% of everything u say. runext was such a disappointment but something i disagree with is TELL ME DESERVED TO WIN. jihyun, jeemin, moka, funa, and himena all did so well. OMONA from himena and moka was iconic. their stage presence lit up the entire room. sure the dance was "easier" but those voguing moves are actually extremely difficult. plus tell me had way more team chemistry. everyone blended well and it felt natural. in bang! it felt like youngseo was carrying and the other girls faded into the background a little. not to mention iroha lost her balance. tell me on top! jihyun and jeemin not making it is one of my 13 reasons why.
Really agree what you said, at this point I just want Jiwoo, Chanelle, Jihyun, Jeemin, Jeongeun, Funa, and Himena debut in one group, I wish Attrakt willing to scouting them, they gonna swipe eyelid easily with all rounder :v
I too was confused when Yuisa was eliminated, i didn't even know her. I asked my sister about her then and my sis said "Yuisa was in a group were a member was sick and couldn't audition ( the first performance), the othe 2 girls auditioned without the sick girl but the performance was never aired. I felt bad for Yuisa and her group cause that means they weren't introduced and it would be hard for them to introduce themselves to the viewers
My problem was the show wasn’t that I didn’t like the trainees that they were pushing. I didn’t have a problem with any of the girls. I thought they were all perfectly sweet and talented girls. However, I don’t like the fact that the more talented contestants were pushed out of the way. Just so we could have more minors in a inherently dangerous industry.
One thing I like about jyp survival shows is that there is favouritism but at least the screen time is mostly fair to everyone. I know, the bar is kinda in hell
When yuisa got eliminated, i got the same reaction like 'who?' Then I saw her 'When I Move' performance. That's how I discovered Himena, LIKE GIRL I'VE BEEN WATCHING SURVIVAL SHOWS AND I REALLY MAKE MYSELF DISTANT FROM THE TRAINEES, SHE'S THE ONLY PICK I HAVE - ONLY TRAINEE I WAS ATTACHED TO 😭😭😭
Not saying wonhee wasn’t talented cuz I know she could sing but her getting first in the entire show was foul. First of all she only trained for a month prior before the show while others worked 5 years OFF. Do u know how foul that sounds sure u can work 1 month and still be better BUT she wasn’t even better than the ones who go eliminated. They got eliminated bc they weren’t minors and they weren’t apparently as pretty as wonhee was. FOUL THX ALOT KNETZ AN HYBE. (I don’t hate wonhee at all it’s not her fault)
I will never not be angry about Chanelle Jiwoo and Jeongeun not being in the final lineup. Especially since not even ONE made it. I knew they were my girls from the Bad Boy performance.
I'm laughing so hard that a young woman falling over on stage and smiling due to the mistake when she's still clearly learning for a moment was criticised lmfao these competition shows put impossible pressure on these young women, I can only wonder how many are mentally scarred. It's gross
IKR! How else was she supposed to act??? They would still criticize her if she didn’t smile so the fact that it’s a lose-lose situation also pisses me off
@@starxmon Also channelle being off key made no sense , it would make more sense being off pitch but being off key means your a whole 8 notes above or below the correct pitch so we could hear that . I’m a singer and she had perfect pitch , she didn’t change and her vocals weren’t supposedly shaky. They just didn’t want her to debut
@@starxmon IM FUXKING PISSED WITH HOW JIHYUN WAS MISTREATED . BEST DANCER ON THE SHOW WITH GREAT VOCALS . Round one her criticism made sense , she carried given taken performance and how did she not get the highest score . She did absolutely fabulous. She did great in the the boys and money but was so under appreciated . She had carried tell me performance but got edited to look like she stole all the parts for herself and did AMAZING IN I DONT CARE . HER AND MINJU WERE THE HIGHLIGHT OF THAT PERFORMANCE . Then in pride she got the sub vocalist 1 part which had parts similar to the main vocal channelle and executed them greatly not doing anything bad AND YET GOT CRITICISES FOR BEING SHAKY WHEN SHE EASILY WASNT , they needed a reason to not let her debut and give her low rankings cause she’s to talented . And eleven pisses me off , I have done singing for 4 years now and jihyun was not unstable at the beginning . She had perfect control of her voice and she had good pitch . She should debut and she got rigged and gaslighted into believing her vocals aren’t good cause the judges have favourites .
To respond to your question about why judges give criticism that is not always represented in the score. The final score is averaged between the votes of the judges and the live audience. In fact, the votes of the audience in the second mission were stronger than those of the judges. Many people blame the judges for everything when their score is actually watering, first because it is a single average between all the judges + the guest judge and second because the audience vote is usually worth at least 50%. I also want to add that having 3, 4 or 5 girls in a group does not make the final average higher or lower. Since the average is divided by the same number of girls, it's basic math. It could be argued that with more girls there is more opportunity for a high number, but there is also more opportunitie for a low number and that this destabilizes the final average. So there is no difference. Another fact about the show: Korean votes were worth twice as much as international votes since they had the option to vote twice through Weverse and through Toss (a korean app). That is the reason why the numbers move quickly to favor the Korean public if necessary. I do not believe that the numbers have been manipulated directly, but that certain tricks were used to favor certain participants. I have some examples of that. 1. First, announcing (almost at the end of the program) that only two participants, the most voted, will be the public's choice and that the production is in charge of choosing the rest. Why didn't they announce this before? I think this was a move to eliminate Jeemin. Although Jeemin's solo stans knew that she was not the first/second most voted, they were confident that she would be at least among the top 5 (in fact she was) That made them focus on other participants with less chance of debuting but who were also in their lineup. Maybe if they had known that only the first 2 places would be chosen by public votes they would have promoted Jeemin more and voted massively for her instead of giving another trainee a chance. (especially since the only locked girls were Youngseo and Minju) 2. Panic vote for Wonhee and Iroha: It is suspicious that just one day before the last voting close, the production published a "preview" image of how the girls are positioned according to the general vote. The interesting thing about this image is that they only show us the position of 4 girls, the rest are kept secret with a question mark. So we have Youngseo in second place (most people guessed that Minju is in first). Jeemin in 4th place, apparently "safe", voters are not anxious. The same does not happen with Iroha who was show in 7th place and Wonhee in 9th. This made their fans panic and vote en masse, even creating fake accounts. (Both had more domestic reach, so they could even be voted twice in a single day with a lot of accounts). Even people who had other girls as their main pick but still liked Iroha or Wonhee would vote for them since according to the new update they were in "real" danger compared to for example Youngseo or Jeemin. I think this happened a lot in Korea. The show repeated this technique in the final episode itself at the beginning of the program and it worked very well for them.
mission 3 was possibly one of the worst missions i've seen in a survival like the song choices were bad (except the boys but they didn't even try to attempt the final highnote like lets try another snsd song), the props weren't utilized, & they shortened the song length despite there being 6-7 girls in each group
I feel like these trainees were going to appear on iland 2, but things somehow fell through with mnet and runext was planned last minute with jtbc. And that's why things felt so messy and rushed. But I think it was obvious that hybe has a line-up they want because that's how it was with enhypen too.
they do things like that because they know in the end people will buy their things anyway. they can hide lacking talent buy editing everything just like they did during the show
Probably the most consistent bad thing in the show for me was the horrendously uneven distribution of lines (numbered of course) just to create drama. And don't get me started on the fact that Chanelle's main vocal part in Pride was actually the part with the least lines.
They should've just made this into sth like Sixteen from JYP. Let people vote to see who they like but just make the judges do all the decisions without making it seem as the viewers have any say in this (because they didn't let's be real).
i'm honestly kinda glad that i never cared about the show while it aired. never had a valid reason to support it (if anything i would've watched it because of sooyoung since she's the mc). all this runext drama reminds me a lot of when my teenage girl aired and the drama that happened back then, it does remind me of it. i feel like i'll it are gonna get the same treatment as classy did.
I had a feeling they were limiting global fans since the beginning when the subtitles were only available during broadcast before being deleted and reuploaded without the subtitles bc they knew global fans would throw a bigger fuss if they understood everything. I will only support this group loosely if their music is amazing otherwise I’m gonna ignore this group lol
You need to make a video on universe ticket because omg there are so many 12-15 year old on that show 😭its almost as if the industry only wants to debut minors at this point. Sometimes it feels I am watching a kids talent show because everyone is so young
i really wish they had just rigged the public votes instead. i would’ve believed the final lineup being public voted (if jeemin replaced moka) bc everyone knows korean public don’t like jiwoo’s age or chanelle being mixed. it would’ve made it a lot easier to deal with but the fact that they played in our faces made it so much worse. like they literally said ‘yep the (equally voted) public lineup is the big 6 & the final’s public lineup is big 5 + iroha which would please everyone but fuck yall you were wrong & WE get to choose 🤣🤣’
Apart from the infuriating fact that some of the most talented members couldn’t debut (and some didn’t even last till finals wtf), the constant evil editing of Jihyun got me genuinely disgusted because how could they do that to their own trainee, and in such a vile manner like they didn’t even try to be subtle. It was just like every single episode was mentioning the same narrative: Jihyun bad Jihyun selfish. I hope she isn’t too damaged after this experience…
Thanks for the video, saved me time from watching the whole series and really summarized the pre-debut frustration for ILLIT lineup since I didn't see RU Next. I hope you do a follow up video, because ILLIT's debut album is great and Magnetic is one of my favorites. And Iroha, Wonhee and Moka are so good with the concept and are favorites of mine, and can't imagine them not being in the lineup.
can we also talk about how the outfit they gave chanelle for attention was Hideous !! like why was there random such an atrocious neon baggy shirt patterned lace up biker shorts combo
I feel bad for Cai bing. She was part of the top 9 that time but they had to evil edit her so that Dayeon will have a place in top 9. Up to now in Kep1er, shes getting favouritism to the point that it ruined the group. I wont be surprised if it will happen in Ilit. But wonhee is more understandable to be pushed in the ilit because shes the most popular among them and she is the center?
I wanted to let you know that a global girl group doesn't mean that the members need to be of different nationalities, it rather means that they are going to be promoting themselves on a global level hence a global Group Love your videos though
lmao it’s funny af bc as soon as you said survival shows shove trainees in our face, i IMMEDIATELY thought of Dayeon.😂😂 TO BE FAIR … that Ice Cream Cake stage was best thing to come from GP999.
one of my biggest complains of the show would probably the song choices honestly. i don't know why they thought about bringing dream of you by chungha as a competition song... that song is obviously not for kids, made me sideye them for this especially for certain reasons * cough cough *
when they put moa in the low category I knew the show was rigged in some way she was one the most hard-working contestants but the constant negative feedback slowly took away her confidence if you have seen the show you can see it clearly how she was never given a chance to shine....
Moa was put in low because Moka and Youngseo were better than her, how is that rigging? Or do you think Moka or Youngseo should have gone to low instead?
@@Hooolltier yes moka should've gone into low because moa was clearly better than her but surely youngseo was better than both of them she deserved her spot
@@extraaccount-z7r Moka and Moa were on a similar level, no one was clearly better than the other, even the judges agreed, but at the end of the day Moka had an edge over Moa because she's a better dancer, so she got the Mid. The judges did say this was the hardes choice because they all did good, but someone had to go to Low.
I feel like something important to mention and the reason why the survival show was kinda nugu was because mnet didn’t produce it, I think it was JTBC? Also I just noticed because I always come back to this video lmao
Also the other girls who didn't debute might debute later . Look they saved 4 trainee to form &team . And they save some members from and audition the howling to debute in another Japanese boy group.
Moa was my top pick with Jiwoo, she was so underrated. And the people saying that her facial expressions were forced, like???? In the most powerful performances, performers must make powerful facil expressions.
As someone who was active on weverse and watched each episode as it airs. I was furious about the final line up. Imo Iroha and Wonhee were both quite lacking in skills to debut which is going to drag the group overall. Then they announced the name which lets be honest its not good. I honestly cannot see the girls as a group still they just lack chemistry and clash in concepts. As I said when the show ended I am genuinely curious what they are going to do with these girls considering the current kpop market. We can look at the newest GG of the time Kiss of Life who made their debut with exceptional skills we have Belle who is an incredible vocals who has an incredible head voice and she pumps out those high notes like its nothing. We got Julie who is an incredible rapper she really brings such stage presence. We got Natty who is such a good dancer and has such stable vocals. Then Haneul who is the ace. We can also look at their closest competitors BM. BM is just on an insane level something they could never. With such a competitive market I want to see where the company goes with this one as Hybe has screwed themselves really. Especially since they so obviously rigged the show, you can see when it has come out that shows have been rigged what it has done to the groups. It almost disbanded Fromis 9.
I might be absolutely wrong, but I think sometimes the line ups are chosen based on who they think will have longevity in the industry? Like, wonhee might not be a standout contestant in terms of skills, but we cant deny that she’s really eye catching and has a likeable vibe about her. Also, her ability to improve so rapidly without any former training probably helped a lot too. Kinda like txt beomgyu and svt’s the8, they joined the team late and were clearly the ‘weaker’ members when they first debuted. But after a couple of years, both beomgyu and the8 are incredible performers and continue to have a very likeable personality. Just my little observation after being a kpop stan for 13 years. 🥲
@@kotochel4592 The tie and cherry, she slayed that one so hard, I litteraly checked her whole fancam, she was very very good, in Attention perfermance I was like « she’s ok » but tie a cherry made me change my mind and since I knew that she only has 3 days of training I was like damn, she was too good with her 3 days
@@wakasa._.1over I also really like Seoyeon, so sad that people slept on her talent, she was really good in tie a cherry and 4 walls. And don't forget Himena. For me she is the best among girls under 18.
The only thing that rubbed me real bad is how they showed middie finger to international fans and only considered korean 's. Votes ( not to mention just to select 2 girls based on fan votes) then what was the purpose of making a survival show if most of the trainees of line up have been chosen by judges. Why did we even watch the show? It was pointless. But again as someone mentioned that hybe had to legally rigged the show cuz with international votes they couldn't make their favorites debut .... which is crystal clear now.🗿🗿🗿( talking about that magazine photoshoot they did after the show was just finished, isn't it weird? Normally it should have taken at least 1/2 months for that type of magazine photoshoot) which actually proved that hybe always had these 6 trainees as their favorites in mind .. they legitimately made a show to give them public exposure before debut)
They weren't chosen by the judges. It was more like they were chosen by Hybe. Isn't the judge's job is to choose talented people and the vote is for popular people?
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 not really.... it's nothing to do with talent...if it was ...hybe wouldn't have eliminated the proper trained and talented candidates... just to debut girls who haven't been trained for long.. If it was by vote ( both international+ korean ) we would have gotten better line up. Plus even if you think it's hybe....then my comment is still valid....why would hybe make a reality show if they are the one who are gonna choose the debut line up??? The answer is.... The whole show was a legal scam to promote pre-selected candidates...by hybe....the purpose of the show was to introduce the group to mass.. nothing to do with talent.
It felt almost like a complete waste of time watching RUNext. Especially when they f-ed over the global fans in the final episode, because the majority were voting based off of talent, not visual or age. My heart broke the first time when Funa got eliminated, again when Chanelle was gone, and again when my ult Jiwoo didn't debut. My lineup -- by the final episode -- was Jiwoo, Himena, Youngseo, Moka, Yunah, Iroha. Originally, I had Funa and Chanelle in the lineup, but as they got eliminated, my options changed. But Jiwoo and Yunah were my ults.
My first lineup was Jiwoo, Yunah, Youngseo, Jihyun, Hyewon and Chanelle. For the final, it is Jiwoo, Yunah, Youngseo, Jeemin, Minju and Himena, yeah, so 3/9 of my lineup debuted. I really like the girl and enjoy their performance so much, but when I watched the show, it really made me feel uncomfortable, because of the result and the elimination, all of it pissed me off. I told my friend that she should watch the performance, not the show because of the rigging of this show. It's so sad that my Jiwoo can't debut, I really hope that she can debut as Jiwoo is very talented and gorgeous. Aside from that, I'm sad that CaiBing can't enter finale too, I really like her stage presence and charisma, it's so heartbreaking that she was evil edited so much. P/s: Sorry for my bad English.
let me just point out that Funa is really doing well but gets barely any screen time… i really noticed her in the Tell Me performance and loved her in Monster 🤩
Even as someone who didn't watch the show but saw some snippets of the memebrs performances on tikt0k, I was in awe at the results....Stage presence, skill and paasion are very visible even to a non experienced eye, so it was confusing as hell to see talented (and age appropriate) memebers be eliminated. Sad to say, but I won't be interested in this group at all. Chanelle especially caught my attention, and I'm beyond disappointed :(
I also thought ruka was weak because of the show’s editing. But after this shots, I can clearly see why she was on the debut lineup of lesserafim… that girl deserves it and all the program did for her was made people not wanting her debut soon And tbh my lineup was Youngseo, Iroha, Moka, Ximena, Minju and maybe Hyewon (because they were very versatile) so I was ok with the final lineup, but I was hopeless at that time cause I knew (little did I know) Yuna, Jiwoo, Chanelle and Jeemin would debut (the other two being Youngseo and Iroha) cause they were the most all rounded, liked and powerful girls out there So when the final ep came and chanelle and Ximena were on the line I was so sad because they wouldn’t drop out chanelle, but what a surprise was that. Finally when the lineup was announced and Wonhee was the first one I was like huh? How does she fit the other ones? Then youngseo and I was like ok, if there’s Ximena or Moka, I’ll consider stanning. It was Minju and I was like good good, then Iroha and I was like okkkk that looks really good, although Wonhee is odd. We had a great pause there and I was thinking who the other two may be Obviously one of the powerful (Jiwoo, Jeemin and Yuna) will be left out for drama, but I don’t see any of them fitting the Wonhee visual group; they seem too mature. But I was sure two of them were going to be there, so my hopes were so down on my bias Unexpectedly, Moka is called and I’m like what??? I’m happy but doyzbzsiyabap. If Ximena is called for that last spot, it’ll be basically my lineup and I’ll love it, but still that’s not the group that should’ve debuted xD but ximena out of the remaining ones is the most fitting Then it came Yuna and I was disappointed tbh. Cause she didn’t fit the group image imo; and seeing every perfect girl being eliminated I had hopes Yuna would also be left out and then they’d made a powerful group (some other company) with Yuna, Jeemin, Jiwoo, Chanelle, Jungeun and Funa with a crush concept that surely would’ve succeeded; and I saw Yuna being here as a waste of her talent Anyways, even if I like the concept and members of Illit, I am sure this was the worst survival show
While I agree with you on many points, I don't agree with you on Moa, Iris and Ruka. Ruka simply didn't have a wow factor and would fade into the background and Moa and Iris were not very good. Moa's facial expressions were just too exaggerated and I didn't enjoy watching her perform. Himena was my favorite and her not being in the final group was painful. Kudos to you on dedication to put out this video.
Theres also a problem with quality of skills most of them reach the bare minimum but skills r not wow .this could be worrisome if u wanna think bout longevity like be fr no members here will be able to stand on stage alone let alone carry a solo song on their own
59:55 you're wrong about this. the reason wonhee ranked 9th in the first round was because it was 6-pick and not 1-pick or 2-pick Had they done 2-pick, she wouldn't had been 9th. But in the 2nd round of voting, they changed it to 2-pick which made her rise. The same thing happened to bahiyyih. She was weak in 9-pick but super strong in 1-pick. Wonhee has always been strong in 1-pick. She won the 1-pick voting and 2-pick voting events around 2 weeks before the finale and that voting was based on GLOBAL votes. So her rising to first place was not because of panic voting or because of korean voters. It's because they changed it from 6-pick to 2-pick.
@@lazymirae751 wonhee is also loved globally. like i stated, she won the 1-pick AND the 2-pick voting events a few weeks before the finale. Those events were based on global votes in the weverse app.
They're just dumb not to notice that, she's so strong in 1 pick vote, she and chanelle always on top in 1 pick voting or 2 pick voting, its just that when its knetz who will voting, its wonhee over chanelle.
Jiwoo Channelle and soyeon not debuting was a crime..... Jiwoo was literally the best trainee its not even up for discussion. The problem with chanelle was her american mentality Americans are generally more willing to express their discontent with a decision they think is unfair.....that doesnt fly in korea it seems so they had to get her out of there. If you were going to debut a minor it should have been soyeon she was the only one consistently good and not having a mental break down while still getting better. smh
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Watching and getting invested into this show was the worst decision I’ve ever made. This is pure depression
😢😢😢
fr like at a point i realised that nothing we were doing was going to help and just accepting that was hard
I agree!!!
@@starxmonTo respond to your question about why judges give criticism that is not always represented in the score. The final score is averaged between the votes of the judges and the live audience. In fact, the votes of the audience in the second mission were stronger than those of the judges.
Many people blame the judges for everything when their score is actually watering, first because it is a single average between all the judges + the guest judge and second because the audience vote is usually worth at least 50%.
No fr moa was one of my first picks and my heart breaks for her
I remember the episode where one of the judges told jiwoo after her universe performance that he never knew she could sing this good mind you she had perfomances like 4 walls,bad boy and that enhypen song beforehand…..
Fr. I was livid. Like what???? Were you deaf for every performance before? because Jiwoo was the obvious front runner in vocals since her first performance. I could not deal with these judges
isn't it because that one seventeen member said that first and then the judge start to praise her?? it's so embarrassing
Ikr
@slaypa Woozi being a guest judge for one episode and doing more than all the main judges combind😅
Then they didn't choose her in the end because she is too old in their eye.
I really didn't think it could get worse than GP999....BELIFT really said you international fans aren't going to vote the way we want you to? Ok, you are not allowed to vote during the finale, and btw that vote is worth 70% of the voting, while the voting you were able to do that WEEK is only worth 30%. Oh, and to add on to that, the voting is only for 2 members just in case....That's WILD! I wish I had never gotten invested in that show because it literally was for nothing.
I am in pain cuz of this show
Its so crazy how it keeps on getting worse and worse each ep 💀
like eliminating chanelle and jiwoo was one of the biggest crimes committed in the world of kpop survival show fr💀
Everything I know about RUNext I got from twit and the way there were treating Chanelle grossed me out. Everyone made Chanelle snapping at Wonhee a much bigger deal than it had to be and then the judges laughing in her face when she was visibly upset and exhausted???? I bet if she wasn't half Korean and born before 2006, they wouldn't have treated her like that. Glad I didn't really get invested in the show and just watched from afar.
No and the way people kept shaming her for an attitude? Really shows how women aren’t around to show their emotions in this world.
It was Chanelle's stans that made it a big deal tbh because they were afraid that Chanelle might've received negative reactions from Koreans (where Wonhee got more support). Koreans really didnt care abt it, they pitied the situation between Wonhee and Chanelle situation but disappointed to Chanelle because her hopelessness affected her performance. Ofc, some also have negative reactions about her having a weak mentality bcos she's going to debut as an idol.
About the laughing part, you should watch it WITHOUT bias pov because some are really pushing narrative about that part. Judges were amused rather than mocking Chanelle. You should not believe anything from tiktok, i swear.
I believe Chanelle's not debuting was because of her weak mentality that affects her performance and the producers got a negative impression abt her during the pride audition. Even the most viewers who were watching it without bias got it. Even some chanelle supporters were disappointed when she said it out loud that she doesn't want it anymore.
@@hanseolyoung5740 But the whole part was just rlly odd, like she said she didnt want the song and they couldve been understanding and just calmly told her they think she suits this song better but instead they laughed when this girl is clearly distressed and annoyed why does she have to be understanding when she isnt older than the judges and lets not get into how unfair some of the matches were like these girls also got like only a little bit of time to prepare it was so obvious who was gonna debut.
On top of all that this girl is already stressed about how the contestants who arent meeting the bare minimum of singing and dancing for high level were getting crazy screen time. Although it is true she shouldnt have said that it could have been a spur of the moment like lets say small annoying things keep piling up you might say "Im sick of this" or something on that level. im not defending her words but we should honestly look at how this situation might stress her out this girlie isnt even with her parents rn LOL.
On one hand its true that Wonhee and chanelle did have a lil moment it wasnt anything crazy I didnt even see anyone post abt it like crazy who was a chanelle stan i mean the whole situation was Chanelle was doing a song she didnt want to do and Wonhee doesnt want to do this part because the pitch is high and Chanelle doesnt wanna do it either so she just got a bit upset. Producers shouldnt be worried about her weak mentality because if they did they wouldve just scrapped the moment. Youre making it seem like the producers didnt already know the company already have their 4 picks LOL!!
@@carlmark4977 watch again the episode 8 and understand it without being bias to Chanelle. Put yourself in the shoe of the pds. They didnt know what Chanelle was going thru that time. They gave her main vocal position. The guest pd saw how not happy Chanelle was when they assigned it to her. They were amused by Chanelle's reaction that time. After they laugh, Lee hyun asked her respectfully and in a calm way why she wanted Scrum. The other pds calmly explained why the main vocal position fits her.
If you were in the position of the pds what would you think about her? The guest pd even thought that they gave Chanelle main position...why she was not happy?(again, they were not aware of Chanelle's problem) .
Not only that, they still let Chanelle audition in sub-vocal positions even though they already said that the next audition is for the trainees who don't have a main position yet. But Chanelle still stood infront of them. Lee hyun said "IM SURE SHE HAS REASON" and let her audition.
Dont forget that you watched a KPOP survival show not a western one. Seniority still stands for them. Chanelle was only a trainee. So as long as she was not an idol yet, she should respect whatever the pds say to her unless she's the one who made the song. She should leave a good impression. Sadly, she did otherwise.
If you know DA, one of the criteria of debuting is professionalism. I think Hybe applies it to all of their trainees.
@@hanseolyoung5740 once again I also understand what you mean but the difference is the producers have more footage than us meaning they definitely knew how mentally exhausted she was..
Obviously the problem with what the judges did was not giving her pride but it was them laughing at her even though she looks sick of it. Lee Hyun wasnt even the worst of them it was the other 2 that were laughing in her face and calling her ridiculous.
And the other problem was with the way they criticised her after the performance "You sang this song like you would sing scrum" that basically just means "You wouldve suited scrum just fine" But they turned it into something else entirely. The same was done with Jiwoo as well.
And its not like anyone couldnt tell that Jiwoo suited Pride way better than Scrum she's a natural darker concept girl its even laughable they came to the conclusion.
The judges asked Chanelle and even whispered "I'm not gonna change my mind"
The whole its a KOREAN survival show changes nothing even Korean netizens commented that the judges did a lil too much with her LOL
I'll be real if I was her the show was obvi rigged from the first few eliminations and they obvi saw the other episodes so she knows how she was edited this only makes the situation worse.
The producers obvi knew who they wanted to make look good and it def wasnt chanelle so what do the producers have to do with this?
Also I dont know if you think the pds mean the mentors or what but the pds are the one who decide who's gonna debut from the beginning
Runext was so messy ,way too rushed and way too rigged (they didn't try to hide it frr 😭) it felt not planned at all and that was its problem ( I feel sorry for the people whom runext was their 1st survivalshow experience😭), I felt like hybe was planning iland 2 but then their beef with mnet happened so they just rushed and we had runext at the end ... like hybe had their lineup planned since the beginning its obv but they instead decided to put a survival show and at the end theyll get what they want 😭 + I'm still so mad how they made us vote so hard just to not include our votes in the rankings esp at the final i mean we voted fot 6 people but they suddenly decide to let knetz only vote live 💀 then they only chose 2 girls from the votes likee hybe make it make sense 😃
In the end I'm happy for the ill it girlies still waiting for MOTHER JIWOO (i need my girl's debut so baddd ) , Chanelle , jeemin , jihyun , hyewon and funa debutation 😭😭
amen to all of this this !!!
the fact that international fans had a 6% chance in deciding the lineup just shows how rigged it was
@@owly1233and the fact that the kept marketing it as a global group lmao
@@AK-yl5venow I really do not know why yall international fans always fall for these statements, I thought that atp we all know that they will never include international fans in the final decision lmao, they don't give af, which is why I didn't even both voting cause I knew they would pull some BS like this
Himena will always be the best minor on the show and yet she’s the one out of the 3 that made it to the final that didn’t make it
im sorry but EVEN SEOYEON was top2 with her 3 days of training, she slayed her tie a cherry vocals, dance and sp with only 3days of training
iroha was better than seoyeon?? wdym@@wakasa._.1over
iroha was easily the best minor y’all need to bfr. she’s the best dancer on the entire show, her vocals are better than himena, better stags presence, and even the prettiest like idk why y’all love to lie so much
@@yea7280 You’re a liar or you’re just delulu. At least Himena has stable vocals, never used autotune, never did a single mistake in she show, And Himena has a better stage presence and fits a lot of concept
You need to bfr
@@yea7280 opinions exist 💀, iroha is nice but you cannot discredit himena like that 💀
the fact that we're still not talking about the jihyun erasure/mistreatment this show has given her shows how successful the show was at doing it
fr my jihyun was so good but her being eliminated because of judges score was my last straw
what i think is crazy is the fact Chanelle ranked in the top in votes right before being eliminated. and the show showed the points that Chanelle got to be eliminated. like clearly Chanelle had votes to get into the "debut" ranks. but there should've been a rule or something where people voted into the debut ranks were safe from being eliminated or something like that.
it also reminds me of a non kpop related thing, where someone would go after someone else got points, so the judges had an idea of how many points to give so someone else to get to the next round. or the other way around where the judges would give the last person to go less points, so that someone else to get to the next round.
I don't understand why they make survival shows if they already know who they want to debut. Just debut them like any normal group without a survival
Marketing.
its cuz it builds hype but atp i think if shows continue to be like this then viewership will plummet, western fans are a big % and excluding their votes like this will probably lead them to lose interest in survival shows altogether
They want to create hardcore predebut stans
Koreas obsession with youth is so…. Creepy. I cannot ignore the Lolita undertones even if I TRIED
Yup. Very weird indeed.
Japan is even worse
Not to mention their laws are so weird when it comes to rape. Red flag.
@@gelordph5342the whole alcohol thingy with rape cases in korea drive me crazy
This show was so frustrating to watch😬 I'm still mad about chanelle and jiwoo not making it.😠
lol samesies
@@starxmon I won't hate on wonhee but she was not ready to debut and she is a baby... and I think we sometimes forget, that Iroha is even younger😆
@@johannasophia5253 i don't think either should have debuted based on age, but i think we forget iroha is maknae bc she is actually debut-ready... not sure how long iroha trained for, but poor wonhee really just needed another year or 2 to figure it out. she will along the way, but it's not fair to her or the fans.
@@ssylveon I agree that iroha seems to be more prepared skillwise but she would also benefit from more time. I mentioned that I'm still mad because of chanelle and jiwoo not making it but even Jeemin would have been a better option than Iroha... not because I don't like her but because she would be able to develop her skills even more and become a stong fundament of another group
I watched it and I just couldn’t anymore how Chanelle slowly got drained and people made her look like someone rude and disrespectful when she was js tired of the judges bs jiwoo was my last hope and she didn’t even make it 😭and the way they had clear favorism when it was chanelles time to sing the judges are like 😐 but when it’s wonhee they’re like 😍 it’s just sad
That producer of enhypen or somin was shch a pisstake
I have a lot to say about runext, some I wrote in the previous video after the finale you posted so I’ll keep it short here, it was a waste of time, they professionally rigged the line up and kudos to them for that lmao cause they got their dream line up, they made us vote, panic, they saw us cry for these girls and they saw who were the girls that were most wanted in a group and they still did what they wanted to do, without “breaking the law”, cause they said it from the start of the finale that the judges would choose 4 out of 6 members, and knetz would have the most power in choosing the other 2. Also we do need to talk more about how the girls the judges chose (Yunah, Minju, Moka and Iroha) were the girls that were chosen in the first mission as the two best from middle and high level, and NONE of the girls that got into low level in the beginning debuted. A mess of a show
Exactly !!!
i h8ted the show to my whole core but i wish people would cut wonhee some slack. at the end of the day she's still a child and it breaks my heart knowing that she might be reading some horribly nasty comments even though she did nothing wrong.
It's not her fault that the judge and hybe think Jiwoo is too old to debut in I'LL IT. They all know Jiwoo can sing better than anyone in the show but still drop her like a hot potato in the end because she does not fit the image of the group (full of underage girls) that they going to debut. To them, she is too old to debut with the group.
it was very obvious that the judges wanted chanelle GONE by the time pride performed. pride got the usual behind the scenes content while scrum's bts content was everyone talking abt how emotional the lyrics were...even the judges cried like wthell
.Also channelle being off key made no sense , it would make more sense being off pitch but being off key means your a whole 8 notes above or below the correct pitch so we could hear that . I’m a singer and she had perfect pitch , she didn’t change and her vocals weren’t supposedly shaky. They just didn’t want her to debut
IM FUXKING PISSED WITH HOW JIHYUN WAS MISTREATED . BEST DANCER ON THE SHOW WITH GREAT VOCALS . Round one her criticism made sense , she carried given taken performance and how did she not get the highest score . She did absolutely fabulous. She did great in the the boys and money but was so under appreciated . She had carried tell me performance but got edited to look like she stole all the parts for herself and did AMAZING IN I DONT CARE . HER AND MINJU WERE THE HIGHLIGHT OF THAT PERFORMANCE . Then in pride she got the sub vocalist 1 part which had parts similar to the main vocal channelle and executed them greatly not doing anything bad AND YET GOT CRITICISES FOR BEING SHAKY WHEN SHE EASILY WASNT , they needed a reason to not let her debut and give her low rankings cause she’s to talented . And eleven pisses me off , I have done singing for 4 years now and jihyun was not unstable at the beginning . She had perfect control of her voice and she had good pitch . She should debut and she got rigged and gaslighted into believing her vocals aren’t good cause the judges have favourites .
imo, the song didn't feel emotional but either uplifting and up-beat. so I never understood why they were crying.. 💀
@@Adorslye yea they tried to make it sound like she was off-key for certain parts but i literally couldn’t hear anything they were talking abt
@@biscuitfish2640Look up the lyrics
If the final lineup was chanelle jiwoo jeongeun yunah minju and jeemin they could’ve become the next red velvet.
no you get it! ruka was definitely the standout during "bang", but the camera focused so much on youngseo that everyone else felt absent from the performance. the show would've benefited from those 4k fancams
No but she was flawless
i stopped watching after Ruka got eliminated, not because I supported her but there's something strange with the voting process, I just cant pint point where. and thank you for explaining it here...
I feel like they also gave us a completely different idea what the group was going to be with all the badass, "mature" song choices but then they pushed the "youthful" trainees
and now today belift just announced they terminated contracts with youngseo…
I was so annoyed when I saw dancing in heels as a mission. There are trainees who were not trained to dance with them BUT ALSO young girls who never even wore them just to walk? it could've ended really badly
I think jihyun got evil edited a lot as being one of the most talented trainees , when she was the leader of tell ‘em , they made her look selfish and taking all the parts for herself . Furthermore ruka and funa both got no screen time despite being some of the most anticipated traineees. Jiwoo and channelle were hated from the beginning and because of the voting system many trainees who should have didn’t make it through like jeemin
tbh while watching runext i kinda expected chanelle and jiwoo to be eliminated
like they were my favs but i could tell from the moment the judges made the favoritism obvious
im not gonna that ONLY chanelle and jiwoo werent a part of the obvious bias the judges had towards the girls in runext but i just cant remember certain names
for example that one person that wore a beanie in money or the one with amazing facials with pigtails in tell me.
something that i also hated was the lack of chances moa had to prove herself. when first watching i was like whys she dancing so hard and like wondering if thatll make her voice non stable but i now realize that she just never had a song that fit her. i think she did best in tie a cherry and dance a bang but still she didnt have enough opportunities to show how well she can be. mad rigged honestly and wasnt even surprised when the best people that everyone hoped to be in the final line up got eliminated 💀
I didn't watch this fiasco and I'm so glad I didn't
Same
I'm sad that i did, i wasted my time voting for Jeongeun and my other girls 😭
IM FUXKING PISSED WITH HOW JIHYUN WAS MISTREATED . BEST DANCER ON THE SHOW WITH GREAT VOCALS . Round one her criticism made sense , she carried given taken performance and how did she not get the highest score . She did absolutely fabulous. She did great in the the boys and money but was so under appreciated . She had carried tell me performance but got edited to look like she stole all the parts for herself and did AMAZING IN I DONT CARE . HER AND MINJU WERE THE HIGHLIGHT OF THAT PERFORMANCE . Then in pride she got the sub vocalist 1 part which had parts similar to the main vocal channelle and executed them greatly not doing anything bad AND YET GOT CRITICISES FOR BEING SHAKY WHEN SHE EASILY WASNT , they needed a reason to not let her debut and give her low rankings cause she’s to talented . And eleven pisses me off , I have done singing for 4 years now and jihyun was not unstable at the beginning . She had perfect control of her voice and she had good pitch . She should debut and she got rigged and gaslighted into believing her vocals aren’t good cause the judges have favourites .Also channelle being off key made no sense , it would make more sense being off pitch but being off key means your a whole 8 notes above or below the correct pitch so we could hear that . I’m a singer and she had perfect pitch , she didn’t change and her vocals weren’t supposedly shaky. They just didn’t want her to debut
i totally believe jeongeun & ruka were originally producer favorites, but since they weren't as popular, their screentime decreased. hyewon was kinda the same but i think fans didn't like her vocals so they stopped talking abt her
Ruka was definitely not producer favourite. I didn't like her but I noticed everyone in the show had higher expectations for her than the rest of the girls. I also noticed ruka had lots of fans
jeongeun is actually very popular with korean fans
I’m only on the start of the video but I must remind everyone that one thing about how much dayeon was being pushed down our throats was when a team in which she wasn’t even IN go to her house a bonding time ?? Like wtf was that Mnet ?? Like why make all another team screen time all about dayeon’s childhood, home and mum 😶😶😶. And I feel like that strategy is very dangerous because you end up with people like me who can’t really like her because of how much they tried to make us like her (the usual contradiction effect). Also in BP we can see they tried to do the same with Park Hanbin and it ended up hurting him a lot because he and everyone were so sure he was going to debut because of how much the producers were pushing him and giving him false hope. No one wins when you act so blatantly like that. (Okay now back to the video)
I loved Moa so much! It broke my heart when she was eliminated. 😢
the funniest thing abt the "idc" performance was the group insisting on hyewon doing the high notes bc her voice is naturally high which honestly makes ZERO sense, it'd be like asking sana to do "icsm"'s high note 😭😭
I'm also still salty over how underrated Seoyeon was on the show😑
fr... the way she was eliminated surprised me because she was really good.
@@biscuitfish2640 Very😑
Those judges were lowkey creeps.
Now should we talk about the most obvious proof that Runext is rigged : JEONGEUN
lemme first tell you jeongeun’s journey :
- First round she got High Level, which was not easy with chanelle and Jiwoo as opponents.
- Second, she was in the winning team EVERY SINGLE ROUND, and she is THE ONLY TRAINEE who has won every round without being the one with the less score
- Third, Her vote was pretty low but the more the show was going the more her votes were increasing,
- She was K-FANS FAVORIT, she got Top1 in korea one-pick voting
Then we get to the final, after she showed us how versatile she is + an amazing singer, dancer, performer and even rapper. Her votes increased a lot, She was top6
But she gets kicked out cuz she wasn’t a pd pick
And those producers didn’t debut the only one who has never lost + an amazing trainee ?
Look how ridiculous this is, Girl has do nothing wrong since the beginning of the show, keep improving, votes keep increasing and she Didn’t debut ? And pd didn’t even choose to debut her ?
Jeongeun should’ve made it she fit the supposed concept more
@@_222wo3 that’s what im saying, in some way jeongeun was kinda the best trainee with no lose, but hybe already has their lineup since the beginning
Jeongeun is abseloutly amazing, very versatile, good vocalist and amazing center material.. I want her to get snatched by SM shes too good for HYBE
EXACTLY!!! She was my top 1 since the first episode and I absolutely loved her talent and she was so good in everything and I loveddd seeing her on stage, if only the lineup was bigger since there was so many good qualities needed that she had along with some of the other trainees
@@Fatima-w2f8s Nah cause she was actually one of the most talented and got 6th in the final votes but she get kicked out cause she wasn’t a pd pick
i completely agree with you runext was so messy.. jeemin placing 1st in evaluations, doing well in all performances, high in votes and being constantly praised by the judges doesn’t make it in? the JUDGES don’t even pick her? they were saying all this shit like “now we get why you’re first” “jeemin is back!”
jeongeun being hated on by the fandom early airing because she got high instead of jiwoo or chanelle was so unnecessary, she also constantly did well and didnt lose a SINGLE round, but she didn’t get recognition. i repeat, doing well in every performance and being IGNORED by the watchers. i was relying on the korean voters to get in jeongeun because she was the most popular over there, and the last round of (live?) voting was only available for koreans. she would’ve made it from voting, getting 6th, but this utterly ridiculous FOUR judge’s pick screwed her chances.
the judges clearly did not like chanelle and it’s so disappointing that they go back on their words too.. how do you criticise someone for making a mistake but still give them a high score? are they pity points? fucking unfair. and when chanelle has a voice crack (which they can hear through their in-ears but we cannot hear it because the show LOVES editing all the girls’ vocals [what is the point of a survival show then..]) that the show editors didn’t deem bad enough to make an overdramatised edit as you said, but their deductions for her are worth hundreds?? compared to a VERY obvious mistake that doesn’t get points taken off? they’re comparing chanelle to her own past performances with different concepts, which is completely unfair because you should have the same standard for EVERYONE. the judges criticise the “good trainees” when they look awkward, but praise wonhee when she DOESN’T look awkward.. what kind of judges..? (this is not hate towards wonhee btw it’s to the judges)
they kneww they couldn’t get soyeon as a judge on this because otherwise their favourite trainees would easily get eliminated.. may not be rigging the votes, but definitely using cringe tactics to get the trainees they wanted into the group.
moa was definitely underappreciated, i hope she gets to debut soon
I'm pretty sure they kicked out chanelle because they didn't like that multiple episodes in a row she was crying over what song she got. I think the producers didn't like her attitude and knew they were going to have trouble controlling her and having her stay mentally together and so they told the judges to vote her low so she'd get cut.
i agree with 99% of everything u say. runext was such a disappointment but something i disagree with is TELL ME DESERVED TO WIN. jihyun, jeemin, moka, funa, and himena all did so well. OMONA from himena and moka was iconic. their stage presence lit up the entire room. sure the dance was "easier" but those voguing moves are actually extremely difficult. plus tell me had way more team chemistry. everyone blended well and it felt natural. in bang! it felt like youngseo was carrying and the other girls faded into the background a little. not to mention iroha lost her balance. tell me on top! jihyun and jeemin not making it is one of my 13 reasons why.
Really agree what you said, at this point I just want Jiwoo, Chanelle, Jihyun, Jeemin, Jeongeun, Funa, and Himena debut in one group, I wish Attrakt willing to scouting them, they gonna swipe eyelid easily with all rounder :v
I too was confused when Yuisa was eliminated, i didn't even know her. I asked my sister about her then and my sis said "Yuisa was in a group were a member was sick and couldn't audition ( the first performance), the othe 2 girls auditioned without the sick girl but the performance was never aired.
I felt bad for Yuisa and her group cause that means they weren't introduced and it would be hard for them to introduce themselves to the viewers
It didn't make sense how Funa was in low level until her elimination
My problem was the show wasn’t that I didn’t like the trainees that they were pushing. I didn’t have a problem with any of the girls. I thought they were all perfectly sweet and talented girls. However, I don’t like the fact that the more talented contestants were pushed out of the way. Just so we could have more minors in a inherently dangerous industry.
One thing I like about jyp survival shows is that there is favouritism but at least the screen time is mostly fair to everyone. I know, the bar is kinda in hell
Ikr.
As much as I loved Wonhee and Iroha, I could’ve waited a few years for them
Honestly Chanelle, Jihyun, and Funa deserved more
When yuisa got eliminated, i got the same reaction like 'who?'
Then I saw her 'When I Move' performance.
That's how I discovered Himena, LIKE GIRL I'VE BEEN WATCHING SURVIVAL SHOWS AND I REALLY MAKE MYSELF DISTANT FROM THE TRAINEES, SHE'S THE ONLY PICK I HAVE - ONLY TRAINEE I WAS ATTACHED TO 😭😭😭
Not saying wonhee wasn’t talented cuz I know she could sing but her getting first in the entire show was foul. First of all she only trained for a month prior before the show while others worked 5 years OFF. Do u know how foul that sounds sure u can work 1 month and still be better BUT she wasn’t even better than the ones who go eliminated. They got eliminated bc they weren’t minors and they weren’t apparently as pretty as wonhee was. FOUL THX ALOT KNETZ AN HYBE. (I don’t hate wonhee at all it’s not her fault)
I'm worried about the future of the K--Pop because everybody nowadays is like 13 or 14.
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 Same, like i'm young and i feel old because of these people debuting many minors like me..
I will never not be angry about Chanelle Jiwoo and Jeongeun not being in the final lineup. Especially since not even ONE made it. I knew they were my girls from the Bad Boy performance.
You cannot be angry because the debut members are already set in stone.
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 ...that doesn't mean they can't be upset about it?
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 we can still be sad that these extremely talented people did not get to debut
I'm laughing so hard that a young woman falling over on stage and smiling due to the mistake when she's still clearly learning for a moment was criticised lmfao these competition shows put impossible pressure on these young women, I can only wonder how many are mentally scarred. It's gross
IKR! How else was she supposed to act??? They would still criticize her if she didn’t smile so the fact that it’s a lose-lose situation also pisses me off
I MISS JEEMIN AND JIWOO.
They fr deserved better
@@starxmonyes
@@starxmon Also channelle being off key made no sense , it would make more sense being off pitch but being off key means your a whole 8 notes above or below the correct pitch so we could hear that . I’m a singer and she had perfect pitch , she didn’t change and her vocals weren’t supposedly shaky. They just didn’t want her to debut
@@starxmon IM FUXKING PISSED WITH HOW JIHYUN WAS MISTREATED . BEST DANCER ON THE SHOW WITH GREAT VOCALS . Round one her criticism made sense , she carried given taken performance and how did she not get the highest score . She did absolutely fabulous. She did great in the the boys and money but was so under appreciated . She had carried tell me performance but got edited to look like she stole all the parts for herself and did AMAZING IN I DONT CARE . HER AND MINJU WERE THE HIGHLIGHT OF THAT PERFORMANCE . Then in pride she got the sub vocalist 1 part which had parts similar to the main vocal channelle and executed them greatly not doing anything bad AND YET GOT CRITICISES FOR BEING SHAKY WHEN SHE EASILY WASNT , they needed a reason to not let her debut and give her low rankings cause she’s to talented . And eleven pisses me off , I have done singing for 4 years now and jihyun was not unstable at the beginning . She had perfect control of her voice and she had good pitch . She should debut and she got rigged and gaslighted into believing her vocals aren’t good cause the judges have favourites .
I miss Jeongeun 😢
To respond to your question about why judges give criticism that is not always represented in the score. The final score is averaged between the votes of the judges and the live audience. In fact, the votes of the audience in the second mission were stronger than those of the judges.
Many people blame the judges for everything when their score is actually watering, first because it is a single average between all the judges + the guest judge and second because the audience vote is usually worth at least 50%.
I also want to add that having 3, 4 or 5 girls in a group does not make the final average higher or lower. Since the average is divided by the same number of girls, it's basic math. It could be argued that with more girls there is more opportunity for a high number, but there is also more opportunitie for a low number and that this destabilizes the final average. So there is no difference.
Another fact about the show: Korean votes were worth twice as much as international votes since they had the option to vote twice through Weverse and through Toss (a korean app). That is the reason why the numbers move quickly to favor the Korean public if necessary.
I do not believe that the numbers have been manipulated directly, but that certain tricks were used to favor certain participants. I have some examples of that.
1. First, announcing (almost at the end of the program) that only two participants, the most voted, will be the public's choice and that the production is in charge of choosing the rest. Why didn't they announce this before?
I think this was a move to eliminate Jeemin. Although Jeemin's solo stans knew that she was not the first/second most voted, they were confident that she would be at least among the top 5 (in fact she was) That made them focus on other participants with less chance of debuting but who were also in their lineup. Maybe if they had known that only the first 2 places would be chosen by public votes they would have promoted Jeemin more and voted massively for her instead of giving another trainee a chance. (especially since the only locked girls were Youngseo and Minju)
2. Panic vote for Wonhee and Iroha: It is suspicious that just one day before the last voting close, the production published a "preview" image of how the girls are positioned according to the general vote. The interesting thing about this image is that they only show us the position of 4 girls, the rest are kept secret with a question mark. So we have Youngseo in second place (most people guessed that Minju is in first). Jeemin in 4th place, apparently "safe", voters are not anxious.
The same does not happen with Iroha who was show in 7th place and Wonhee in 9th. This made their fans panic and vote en masse, even creating fake accounts. (Both had more domestic reach, so they could even be voted twice in a single day with a lot of accounts).
Even people who had other girls as their main pick but still liked Iroha or Wonhee would vote for them since according to the new update they were in "real" danger compared to for example Youngseo or Jeemin. I think this happened a lot in Korea.
The show repeated this technique in the final episode itself at the beginning of the program and it worked very well for them.
mission 3 was possibly one of the worst missions i've seen in a survival like the song choices were bad (except the boys but they didn't even try to attempt the final highnote like lets try another snsd song), the props weren't utilized, & they shortened the song length despite there being 6-7 girls in each group
The judges annoy me so much
Minors debuting is maximizes the company's return on investment. Debuting 20 year olds would only give Hybe max 10 years before their idols age out.
Lame.
I feel like these trainees were going to appear on iland 2, but things somehow fell through with mnet and runext was planned last minute with jtbc. And that's why things felt so messy and rushed. But I think it was obvious that hybe has a line-up they want because that's how it was with enhypen too.
they do things like that because they know in the end people will buy their things anyway. they can hide lacking talent buy editing everything just like they did during the show
Probably the most consistent bad thing in the show for me was the horrendously uneven distribution of lines (numbered of course) just to create drama. And don't get me started on the fact that Chanelle's main vocal part in Pride was actually the part with the least lines.
They should've just made this into sth like Sixteen from JYP. Let people vote to see who they like but just make the judges do all the decisions without making it seem as the viewers have any say in this (because they didn't let's be real).
i'm honestly kinda glad that i never cared about the show while it aired. never had a valid reason to support it (if anything i would've watched it because of sooyoung since she's the mc).
all this runext drama reminds me a lot of when my teenage girl aired and the drama that happened back then, it does remind me of it. i feel like i'll it are gonna get the same treatment as classy did.
I was just about to watch the show before I saw this video😭
lmao
Well, you don’t need to, just watch their performance if you still interested
Jeemin and Jiwoo deserved to debut. They had the talent (best vocalist and dancer) and the popularity to debut.
also in the final only knetz were able to vote and this line up is global 💀
If the global fans voted for the final lineup it would be good...
@@lucidalvamaria2554 for real 😭 the lineup would have jeemin jiwoo yunah minju moka/iroha youngseo it would have been such a slayful lineup
I had a feeling they were limiting global fans since the beginning when the subtitles were only available during broadcast before being deleted and reuploaded without the subtitles bc they knew global fans would throw a bigger fuss if they understood everything. I will only support this group loosely if their music is amazing otherwise I’m gonna ignore this group lol
Same i'm gona ignore this group, and for me it don't exist lol
You need to make a video on universe ticket because omg there are so many 12-15 year old on that show 😭its almost as if the industry only wants to debut minors at this point. Sometimes it feels I am watching a kids talent show because everyone is so young
i really wish they had just rigged the public votes instead. i would’ve believed the final lineup being public voted (if jeemin replaced moka) bc everyone knows korean public don’t like jiwoo’s age or chanelle being mixed. it would’ve made it a lot easier to deal with but the fact that they played in our faces made it so much worse. like they literally said ‘yep the (equally voted) public lineup is the big 6 & the final’s public lineup is big 5 + iroha which would please everyone but fuck yall you were wrong & WE get to choose 🤣🤣’
i literally agree with almost everything you've said it's just soo crazy. hoping for debut of the other contestants esp jiwoo!
Apart from the infuriating fact that some of the most talented members couldn’t debut (and some didn’t even last till finals wtf), the constant evil editing of Jihyun got me genuinely disgusted because how could they do that to their own trainee, and in such a vile manner like they didn’t even try to be subtle. It was just like every single episode was mentioning the same narrative: Jihyun bad Jihyun selfish. I hope she isn’t too damaged after this experience…
Thanks for the video, saved me time from watching the whole series and really summarized the pre-debut frustration for ILLIT lineup since I didn't see RU Next.
I hope you do a follow up video, because ILLIT's debut album is great and Magnetic is one of my favorites. And Iroha, Wonhee and Moka are so good with the concept and are favorites of mine, and can't imagine them not being in the lineup.
can we also talk about how the outfit they gave chanelle for attention was Hideous !! like why was there random such an atrocious neon baggy shirt patterned lace up biker shorts combo
LEE HYUN FAVOURITISM TOWARDS WONHEE SHOWS SO MUCH
I MISS HIMENA AND JEONGEUN AND THE OTHERS
I LITERALLY MISS RUKA , JIWOO AND CHANELLE SO MUCHH
I feel bad for Cai bing. She was part of the top 9 that time but they had to evil edit her so that Dayeon will have a place in top 9. Up to now in Kep1er, shes getting favouritism to the point that it ruined the group. I wont be surprised if it will happen in Ilit. But wonhee is more understandable to be pushed in the ilit because shes the most popular among them and she is the center?
Iroha is so talented and she's always been in high level in ru next
Im glad you're making these videos because i can't keep up with so many survival shows😭
I wanted to let you know that a global girl group doesn't mean that the members need to be of different nationalities, it rather means that they are going to be promoting themselves on a global level hence a global Group
Love your videos though
lmao it’s funny af bc as soon as you said survival shows shove trainees in our face, i IMMEDIATELY thought of Dayeon.😂😂 TO BE FAIR … that Ice Cream Cake stage was best thing to come from GP999.
one of my biggest complains of the show would probably the song choices honestly. i don't know why they thought about bringing dream of you by chungha as a competition song... that song is obviously not for kids, made me sideye them for this especially for certain reasons * cough cough *
when they put moa in the low category I knew the show was rigged in some way she was one the most hard-working contestants but the constant negative feedback slowly took away her confidence if you have seen the show you can see it clearly how she was never given a chance to shine....
Moa was put in low because Moka and Youngseo were better than her, how is that rigging? Or do you think Moka or Youngseo should have gone to low instead?
@@Hooolltier yes moka should've gone into low because moa was clearly better than her but surely youngseo was better than both of them she deserved her spot
@@extraaccount-z7r Moka and Moa were on a similar level, no one was clearly better than the other, even the judges agreed, but at the end of the day Moka had an edge over Moa because she's a better dancer, so she got the Mid. The judges did say this was the hardes choice because they all did good, but someone had to go to Low.
GP999 was broadcast on MNET, RU NEXT was a JTBC show.
I feel like something important to mention and the reason why the survival show was kinda nugu was because mnet didn’t produce it, I think it was JTBC? Also I just noticed because I always come back to this video lmao
I'm always coming back to this video too!
Also the other girls who didn't debute might debute later .
Look they saved 4 trainee to form &team . And they save some members from and audition the howling to debute in another Japanese boy group.
Moa was in my top 6. She should’ve debuted and I’ll never shut up abt it
My ideal lineup would’ve been:
Jiwoo
Moa
Chantelle
Yunah
Jeongeun
Youngseo
Moa was my top pick with Jiwoo, she was so underrated. And the people saying that her facial expressions were forced, like???? In the most powerful performances, performers must make powerful facil expressions.
As someone who was active on weverse and watched each episode as it airs. I was furious about the final line up. Imo Iroha and Wonhee were both quite lacking in skills to debut which is going to drag the group overall. Then they announced the name which lets be honest its not good. I honestly cannot see the girls as a group still they just lack chemistry and clash in concepts. As I said when the show ended I am genuinely curious what they are going to do with these girls considering the current kpop market. We can look at the newest GG of the time Kiss of Life who made their debut with exceptional skills we have Belle who is an incredible vocals who has an incredible head voice and she pumps out those high notes like its nothing. We got Julie who is an incredible rapper she really brings such stage presence. We got Natty who is such a good dancer and has such stable vocals. Then Haneul who is the ace. We can also look at their closest competitors BM. BM is just on an insane level something they could never. With such a competitive market I want to see where the company goes with this one as Hybe has screwed themselves really. Especially since they so obviously rigged the show, you can see when it has come out that shows have been rigged what it has done to the groups. It almost disbanded Fromis 9.
I might be absolutely wrong, but I think sometimes the line ups are chosen based on who they think will have longevity in the industry? Like, wonhee might not be a standout contestant in terms of skills, but we cant deny that she’s really eye catching and has a likeable vibe about her. Also, her ability to improve so rapidly without any former training probably helped a lot too. Kinda like txt beomgyu and svt’s the8, they joined the team late and were clearly the ‘weaker’ members when they first debuted. But after a couple of years, both beomgyu and the8 are incredible performers and continue to have a very likeable personality. Just my little observation after being a kpop stan for 13 years. 🥲
im sorry but the « improved rapidly » is a no for wonhee, bc Seoyeon was better than Wonhee during the whole show with her 3 days of training
@@wakasa._.1overyeah and like where did she improve? I saw nothing
@@kotochel4592 The tie and cherry, she slayed that one so hard, I litteraly checked her whole fancam, she was very very good,
in Attention perfermance I was like « she’s ok » but tie a cherry made me change my mind and since I knew that she only has 3 days of training I was like damn, she was too good with her 3 days
@@wakasa._.1over I also really like Seoyeon, so sad that people slept on her talent, she was really good in tie a cherry and 4 walls. And don't forget Himena. For me she is the best among girls under 18.
Wonhee is not eye catching she's like a flattened snail where her only mouth movement is eeeeeeee
The only thing that rubbed me real bad is how they showed middie finger to international fans and only considered korean 's. Votes ( not to mention just to select 2 girls based on fan votes) then what was the purpose of making a survival show if most of the trainees of line up have been chosen by judges. Why did we even watch the show? It was pointless. But again as someone mentioned that hybe had to legally rigged the show cuz with international votes they couldn't make their favorites debut .... which is crystal clear now.🗿🗿🗿( talking about that magazine photoshoot they did after the show was just finished, isn't it weird? Normally it should have taken at least 1/2 months for that type of magazine photoshoot) which actually proved that hybe always had these 6 trainees as their favorites in mind .. they legitimately made a show to give them public exposure before debut)
They weren't chosen by the judges. It was more like they were chosen by Hybe. Isn't the judge's job is to choose talented people and the vote is for popular people?
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 not really.... it's nothing to do with talent...if it was ...hybe wouldn't have eliminated the proper trained and talented candidates... just to debut girls who haven't been trained for long.. If it was by vote ( both international+ korean ) we would have gotten better line up. Plus even if you think it's hybe....then my comment is still valid....why would hybe make a reality show if they are the one who are gonna choose the debut line up??? The answer is.... The whole show was a legal scam to promote pre-selected candidates...by hybe....the purpose of the show was to introduce the group to mass.. nothing to do with talent.
Literally I was hoping for somebody to point out how Ruka always gets so low points and camera time
I will wait every day for the
Chanelle light to appear
Same here ❤
Im leaving a comment here so if we get updates i get notified lol
It felt almost like a complete waste of time watching RUNext. Especially when they f-ed over the global fans in the final episode, because the majority were voting based off of talent, not visual or age. My heart broke the first time when Funa got eliminated, again when Chanelle was gone, and again when my ult Jiwoo didn't debut.
My lineup -- by the final episode -- was Jiwoo, Himena, Youngseo, Moka, Yunah, Iroha.
Originally, I had Funa and Chanelle in the lineup, but as they got eliminated, my options changed. But Jiwoo and Yunah were my ults.
this show was so frustrating towards the end, they wanted to turn wonhee into like a second wonyoung and it was so frustrating
Source music is planning another girl group in the future. And hybe japan also has plans to debut a girl group in the future
My first lineup was Jiwoo, Yunah, Youngseo, Jihyun, Hyewon and Chanelle. For the final, it is Jiwoo, Yunah, Youngseo, Jeemin, Minju and Himena, yeah, so 3/9 of my lineup debuted. I really like the girl and enjoy their performance so much, but when I watched the show, it really made me feel uncomfortable, because of the result and the elimination, all of it pissed me off. I told my friend that she should watch the performance, not the show because of the rigging of this show. It's so sad that my Jiwoo can't debut, I really hope that she can debut as Jiwoo is very talented and gorgeous.
Aside from that, I'm sad that CaiBing can't enter finale too, I really like her stage presence and charisma, it's so heartbreaking that she was evil edited so much.
P/s: Sorry for my bad English.
Fyi, the show wasn't broadcasted by Mnet but JTBC
I still think about this show daily because, the way my time and most of the viewers time got wasted for nothing...
let me just point out that Funa is really doing well but gets barely any screen time… i really noticed her in the Tell Me performance and loved her in Monster 🤩
Even as someone who didn't watch the show but saw some snippets of the memebrs performances on tikt0k, I was in awe at the results....Stage presence, skill and paasion are very visible even to a non experienced eye, so it was confusing as hell to see talented (and age appropriate) memebers be eliminated. Sad to say, but I won't be interested in this group at all. Chanelle especially caught my attention, and I'm beyond disappointed :(
I also thought ruka was weak because of the show’s editing. But after this shots, I can clearly see why she was on the debut lineup of lesserafim… that girl deserves it and all the program did for her was made people not wanting her debut soon
And tbh my lineup was Youngseo, Iroha, Moka, Ximena, Minju and maybe Hyewon (because they were very versatile) so I was ok with the final lineup,
but I was hopeless at that time cause I knew (little did I know) Yuna, Jiwoo, Chanelle and Jeemin would debut (the other two being Youngseo and Iroha) cause they were the most all rounded, liked and powerful girls out there
So when the final ep came and chanelle and Ximena were on the line I was so sad because they wouldn’t drop out chanelle, but what a surprise was that. Finally when the lineup was announced and Wonhee was the first one I was like huh? How does she fit the other ones? Then youngseo and I was like ok, if there’s Ximena or Moka, I’ll consider stanning. It was Minju and I was like good good, then Iroha and I was like okkkk that looks really good, although Wonhee is odd. We had a great pause there and I was thinking who the other two may be
Obviously one of the powerful (Jiwoo, Jeemin and Yuna) will be left out for drama, but I don’t see any of them fitting the Wonhee visual group; they seem too mature. But I was sure two of them were going to be there, so my hopes were so down on my bias
Unexpectedly, Moka is called and I’m like what??? I’m happy but doyzbzsiyabap. If Ximena is called for that last spot, it’ll be basically my lineup and I’ll love it, but still that’s not the group that should’ve debuted xD but ximena out of the remaining ones is the most fitting
Then it came Yuna and I was disappointed tbh. Cause she didn’t fit the group image imo; and seeing every perfect girl being eliminated I had hopes Yuna would also be left out and then they’d made a powerful group (some other company) with Yuna, Jeemin, Jiwoo, Chanelle, Jungeun and Funa with a crush concept that surely would’ve succeeded; and I saw Yuna being here as a waste of her talent
Anyways, even if I like the concept and members of Illit, I am sure this was the worst survival show
While I agree with you on many points, I don't agree with you on Moa, Iris and Ruka. Ruka simply didn't have a wow factor and would fade into the background and Moa and Iris were not very good. Moa's facial expressions were just too exaggerated and I didn't enjoy watching her perform. Himena was my favorite and her not being in the final group was painful. Kudos to you on dedication to put out this video.
57:00 I don't think this necessarily discounts your argument, but R U Next was a JTBC show, not Mnet.
Theres also a problem with quality of skills most of them reach the bare minimum but skills r not wow .this could be worrisome if u wanna think bout longevity like be fr no members here will be able to stand on stage alone let alone carry a solo song on their own
59:55 you're wrong about this. the reason wonhee ranked 9th in the first round was because it was 6-pick and not 1-pick or 2-pick Had they done 2-pick, she wouldn't had been 9th. But in the 2nd round of voting, they changed it to 2-pick which made her rise. The same thing happened to bahiyyih. She was weak in 9-pick but super strong in 1-pick.
Wonhee has always been strong in 1-pick. She won the 1-pick voting and 2-pick voting events around 2 weeks before the finale and that voting was based on GLOBAL votes. So her rising to first place was not because of panic voting or because of korean voters. It's because they changed it from 6-pick to 2-pick.
Wonhee votes are from knetizens not global. Wonhee is super loved by koreans
@@lazymirae751 wonhee is also loved globally. like i stated, she won the 1-pick AND the 2-pick voting events a few weeks before the finale. Those events were based on global votes in the weverse app.
nahh in american voting she was around dead last, she is liked in Japan but a ton of international stans do not like her@@everest_1997
@@lazymirae751 we Asian love her sm
They're just dumb not to notice that, she's so strong in 1 pick vote, she and chanelle always on top in 1 pick voting or 2 pick voting, its just that when its knetz who will voting, its wonhee over chanelle.
Jiwoo Channelle and soyeon not debuting was a crime..... Jiwoo was literally the best trainee its not even up for discussion. The problem with chanelle was her american mentality Americans are generally more willing to express their discontent with a decision they think is unfair.....that doesnt fly in korea it seems so they had to get her out of there. If you were going to debut a minor it should have been soyeon she was the only one consistently good and not having a mental break down while still getting better. smh