@@notrottenapple Apple did say that the m chips were capable of running windows. It’s just Microsoft hasn’t released windows on arm to apple Boot Camp is still around, but it just doesn’t work on arm right now apple is waiting for Microsoft to make drivers for the M series chips
can you not have multiple monitors over a single usb c? i don't have a macbook, but on my framework 16 i currently have 2 monitors connected with a single usb c, and my dock could technically do 3 but i never tried
MacBook pro 2011 enters the chat with 1 thunderbolt port, 1 FireWire port, mag safe, 2 usb ports, SD card reader, CD-RW DVD-RW drive (with support for DVD-RAM too), Kensington lock, easily swappable ram and ssd, ethernet and an IR sensor your m3 MacBook pro can't even dream about those things
At least with the Intel MBPs you could use one Thunderbolt cable for multiple monitors. With the ASi laptops that only works with the Apple Studio Display
@@Emayeah apart from USB type A who the hell cares about dvd drives, FireWire and IR sensors on a laptop in 2024. I can also pick a laptop from 2004 and say look it has DVI, vga and PCMCIA ports and a parallel printer port. Who cares about obsolete ports. Most people don’t use these anymore. I agree with upgradability but pretending like post 2015 macs were much better in that regard is being incredibly disingenuous. Ram upgrades haven’t been possible in about 10 years and ssds have been soldered on now for years too.
@@PFnove “actually for a CPU what matters is temperature being stable at under 100 degrees” - No. What matters is CPU temperature staying as close to room temperature as possible. Temp “stability” is completely irrelevant and entirely depends on what you are doing. If you put your laptop under full load it can reach its safety temp limit and be “stable” at it, while cooking itself and your fingers. The higher your CPU’s temperature, the faster it ages. That’s why most CPUs can only tolerate 90+ degrees for a couple of minutes, and then self-regulate to under 80-85 (which often is the upper safety temp limit). The fact that they jump between 90 and 80 degrees doesn’t matter. What’s damaging is that they got that hot in the first place. Ideally, in tower PCs, they wouldn’t exceed 60 degrees. “I've never seen a working laptop go over 50 degrees” - I don’t understand what you are referring to here - internal chip temperature or surface temperature. Internal temp can easily be pushed over 50 degrees on every modern laptop if you do anything power intensive. External can also be pushed to 50 degrees, since many laptops are inadequately cooled, but even at 40 it is very uncomfortable to hold. “most laptops have a cooler which moves the heat somewhere that isn't your legs” - Most laptop coolers are woefully underpowered. Simply because they are small. That’s why it is way more effective to produce less power-hungry chips like Apple’s M chips, or Qualcomm’s Snapdragon chips. “Guess what MacBooks don't have and where they dump all the heat under load” - Don’t have what? Coolers? Only the macbook air doesn’t have a cooler and anyone doing anything more intensive than writing on it would never buy one in the first place. Source - I’m an electrical engineer.
@@PFnove “actually for a CPU what matters is temperature being stable at under 100 degrees” - No. What matters is CPU temperature staying as close to room temperature as possible. Temp “stability” is completely irrelevant and entirely depends on what you are doing. If you put your laptop under full load it can reach its safety temp limit and be “stable” at it, while cooking itself and your fingers. The higher your CPU’s temperature, the faster it ages. That’s why most CPUs can only tolerate 90+ degrees for a couple of minutes, and then self-regulate to under 80-85 (which often is the upper safety temp limit). The fact that they jump between 90 and 80 degrees doesn’t matter. What’s damaging is that they got that hot in the first place. Ideally, in tower PCs, they wouldn’t exceed 60 degrees. “I've never seen a working laptop go over 50 degrees” - I don’t understand what you are referring to here - internal chip temperature or surface temperature. Internal temp can easily be pushed over 50 degrees on every modern laptop if you do anything power intensive. External can also be pushed to 50 degrees, since many laptops are inadequately cooled, but even at 40 it is very uncomfortable to hold. “most laptops have a cooler which moves the heat somewhere that isn't your legs” - Most laptop coolers are woefully underpowered. Simply because they are small. That’s why it is way more effective to produce less power-hungry chips like Apple’s M chips, or Qualcomm’s Snapdragon chips. “Guess what MacBooks don't have and where they dump all the heat under load” - Don’t have what? Coolers? Only the macbook air doesn’t have a cooler and anyone doing anything more intensive than writing on it would never buy one in the first place. Source - I’m an electrical engineer.
Two more: On an Intel Mac, the boot loader & Internet Recovery are stored on a separate chip on the motherboard. On a ASi device, it's stored on the main SSD. This means if you manage to corrupt the internal SSD on an Intel Mac, you could use Internet Recovery or a USB flash drive to restore the OS, no matter what. On the ASi, depending on how corrupt the drive is, it requires you to plug it into another Mac and recover the bootloader. And if your internal drive dies in an Intel Mac, you can use an external as an OS drive, whereas on ASi, the machine is bricked. And, booting from external drives is so much more stable and simple on Intel Macs. You hold alt at startup and select the external drive. On the ASi, you need to boot in to recovery, reduce startup security (otherwise you'll get a cryptic error message), reboot into macOS, set the startup disk, enter your password, reboot, and hope it works instead of telling you there's no valid start up disks on the system. And if you try to boot without the default startup disk present, Intel macs would default to the internal disk. Apple Silicons give you the sad mac.
also to note, on older intel macbooks (2015 or older), you can replace the internal ssd with a larger ssd, or replace it once the original fails. also applies to iMacs released in 2019 or older.
My sister got a MacBook Pro in 2020, now her only choices were M1 or Intel but at that time app support was pretty lackluster on M1 and I didn't want her to get a risky recomandation. Fast forward 2024, she wants to use her laptop for some work with her architecture work, she finds a software that is perfect just to find out it's Apple Silicon exclusive, she was really dissapointed. Also that laptop went hot at all times.
Parallels don't emulate Windows. It would be impossible to use if it was emulated (x86 emulation with qemu is awful). What happens is virtualization. Parallels runs Windows 11 for arm. The same version of windows is used on snapdragon x laptops. And the main reason you are experiencing troubles with running some old software on windows is that windows is having problem translating from x86 to arm.
I came here to say the same thing. In fact, now that Windows is taking ARM seriously, Boot Camp could actually return if they can solve the TPM incompatibility.
@@KosherCoder but ig there would be problem as apple sillicon is totally different than snapdragon X chip so they will need to specially make windows for Apple sillicon (which most probably they wont)
@@ascoolasariv6969 operating systems aren’t made for a chip or manufacturer. Both macOS and Windows for ARM will run on the ARM64 architecture. I’m running Win11 virtualized on M1 Pro, so why not on M4?
@@KosherCoder Technically it is emulation because of the contract with Microsoft and Qualcomm Windows on Arm only supports Qualcomm chips so parallel emulates that Qualcomm chip so you can run Windows on Arm on your mac
@@KiqxyWixy That contract expired a long time ago. Since February 2023, Microsoft has officially supported Windows for ARM on Apple Silicon. Regardless, you are confusing emulation and virtualization. They are different concepts. Parallels emulates the TPM module in order for Win11 compatibility, but that's all. The OS is virtualized and runs natively.
Personally, I hate how my base model MacBook Pro from 2019 could handle my 3 displays but now you have to pay even more for the same feature on apple silicon.
One disadvantage of Apple Silicon is unified memory. Unified memory is extremely fast and efficient, but if your Mac only has 8 GB of memory, once MacOS takes the lion's share - around 4.5 GB in itself - the rest of your Mac's subsystems will have less remaining to use. My 2012 MacBook Pros have 16 GB of discreet memory, my 2018 Mac Mini has 32 GB, my 2013 trashcan Mac Pro has 64 GB, and my 2010 cheesegrater Mac Pro has 96 GB; these devices almost never engage in swap memory activity (and neither does my M1 Max Mac Studio with 32 GB), whereas an 8 GB Mac Mini engages in near-constant swap activity. Unified memory is great as long as you have a decent amount of it.
I run a 14” MacBook Pro with M2 Pro (what a mouthful) and I’ll be honest, only having three thunderbolt/USB4 ports has not been an issue. I much prefer having full sized HDMI and MagSafe. I’m yet to really run into bottlenecks on the TB ports so I’m not too bothered. Though I do miss boot camp (though whiskey and GPTK2 have filled most of that gap)
Plenty of Intel Macs are still perfectly capable and even snappy for everyday light-to-medium use, and up to about 2018, Intel Macs were still somewhat repairable and upgradeable. I use a 2017 MacBook Air with a 500 GB NVMe SSD as my work commute laptop, and my two Mac Pros are still really powerful and capable, especially after my extensive upgrades: a 3 GHz ten-core CPU, 64 GB of RAM and a 2 TB NVMe SSD in my 2013 trashcan Mac Pro, and two 3.06 GHz six-core CPUs, 96 GB of RAM, two 1 TB NVMe SSDs, an RX 580 graphics card, a USB 3/C combo card and dual Blu Ray drives. :D
Another thing is driver/software stability. Working in IT, I have seen so many issues with Apple Silicon laptops regarding drivers that just were way more minimal on Intel Macs. - USB drive wake and sleep issues - Thunderbolt issues - Issues with Wi-Fi And when I was migrating my father's Intel Mac Pro to an M1 Mac mini via FireWire, the M1 Mac mini would hard crash a few seconds after it mounted the drives from the Mac Pro that was in TDM. Maybe this is just me coping as an Intel Mac mini user, but I am not looking forward to the day I have to upgrade to Apple Silicon on my desktop. I have an M3 Air as a laptop that I use occasionally, and it has it's own issues with the software I tend to use (like Blender that has to be updated manually as the Steam version is x86 only)
Personally, while I think on paper it sucks that there's less thunderbolt ports on the M-series machines, its more than made up for the fact that there's HDMI and SD card now. As a filmmaker, two of the ports were being used up by dongles to connect stuff to. Then another port being taken up by a charger. So realistically, I only had one port available.
I have an old late 2011 iMac and it doesn't run a lot of things well, but I've gotten Windows 7, Ubuntu, and Mac OS X running (not at the same time) but all on the same machine. It really is cool to see the setups for all of those operating systems running on an outdated machine. It also has a built in CD drive so that's something most new PCs don't have.
I am actually writing this comment on a 13-inch Unibody MacBook Pro 2012 in Windows 10. With this MacBook I have so many experiences. For example the games I play on these MacBook are Roblox, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, San Andreas Multiplayer, Minecraft: Story Mode, FIFA 14 etc. My MacBook also helps me with work like FL Studio, ClipChamp, Office 2019, AutoCAD 2012, Spline and much more software. As this is a Unibody MacBook Pro it has a LOT of ports like MagSafe 1 Charghing of course, Ethernet, ThunderBolt, 2 USB-A ports, SD card port and headphone jack. Do I have to mention that I am still rocking 4 GB RAM on this MacBook Pro. You can upgrade to 8 GB RAM and with some tricks even upgrade to 16 GB RAM. And oh boy, 8 or 16 GB help even more using the MacBook for gaming and for multitasking. With 16 GB DDR3 SODIMM you can run Grand Theft Auto V, FIFA 15 (Pretty sure some other fifa's too) and so many other games that need more than 4 GB RAM. Its Really helpful for price too as a 2012 MacBook Pro can cost around 200 to 300 Bucks and the RAM upgrade can cost around 20 to 40 Bucks, I also reccomend to install a SSD from 256 GB to 500 GB of SSD size depending on what will you use the MacBook Pro. The con is that it does heat a little but it barely overheats and I guarantee no overheat (still heat tho) if you put only 8 GB RAM. You can also use OpenCore to download and daily drive MacOS Ventura as MacOS Sonoma does have some rendering bugs. I reccomend using MacOS Ventura after the upgrades but if you want to you can also upgrade to MacOS Ventura without upgrading hardware. I know you ain't readin allat but in short terms: A intel-based MacBook Pro is worth it
Love my 2019 i9 16” with 5500M 8GB GPU. I am not a heavy gamer at all but it’s nice to have the ability to run some Fortnite with friends with decent settings and frames from time to time.
I had the latest intel mac before they killed it off with 4 usb c ports. Loved it, especially bootcamp which I used all the time, but as it got older it became basically impossible to edit videos on in final cut or any other video editing software I tried. Not to mention the burning hot temperatures or jet engine sounds that thing would make. Also, when plugging into all 4 usb c ports, (charging, external display, mouse & keyboard) one of the ports just ended up dying and didn’t even work for charging after that. Really liked that machine but it could not handle what I was making it do. I have a 2021 14 inch M1 mbp w/ 32gbs of memory that devours everything I throw at it. The leap from intel to silicon was massive and still is
I currently have an M1 MacBook Air, and I’m okay with it, but I could always get a Portable Handheld Gaming like the ROG Ally for running X86 programs that are incompatible with ARM and having a very portable setup at the same time, and I can just plug the Ally through an HDMI Capture Card through the MacBook’s OBS program if I need a bigger screen anyway.
support for UI scailing for non 4K displays: So its generally a MacOS problem, but with intel mac there was a other graficdriver witch aloud 3th-party software to do UI scaling on non 4kDisplays anyways. On AppleSilicon 3th-Party software now has to emulate a hole new virtual display with a supported resolution, and than mirror it on your physical Display. - This is somtime Buggy, and has a higher computing power demand. For those of you facing the same problem the software i am reffering to is called "BetterDisplay".
funny enough, my 2010 MacBook can also do something much better than any modern Mac: it's a heater, runs Arch Linux (btw), user-serviceable, AND works as a daily just fine for simple games, Duolingo lessons, and 720p YT. 8GB of RAM and the P8600 make it such a beauty imo.
As an android and IOS developer, I love the apple silicon transition, the battery just lasts waaaay longer than with intel, and the emulators and IDES just run so much better
Also most Linux distros are for 64 bit X86 (Intel specifically) and tbh using linux on an old mac is an absolute dream. I have a 2008 Imac running happily on it and use it as a music player and light web browsing and it's a dream. Ik Asahi linux has come far but it's still not an easy to use out of the box thing.
These days, it is difficult to distinguish Asahi Linux from an x86 distro, in so far as you use Wayland (so Gnome/KDE/Sway/hyprland). Only thing I can't do on Asahi is game due to arm and lack of vulkan. I'm sure the experience is a lot better on x86 though, I've switched most of my Linux stuff over to a Ryzen powered PC now.
@htechtgarisc7559 I'm not a blender user, so I don't know how it would compare to other Linux machines or a Mac using macOS. I have run some openGL apps on Asahi Linux, so I'll share some benchmarks here. I managed to get well over 100 fps on Minecraft at 1440p on a 165 Hz monitor. Dolphin emulator ran all my Wii games at full speed and 4x resolution and even let me pass through physical controllers (something macOS can't do without third party hardware). Desktop composition was also very smooth compared to Nvidia powered systems, even on KDE plasma. As of now, I believe Asahi Linux has full support for Open GL 4.6. Just avoid flatpaks, as those don't have access to the M1/2 GPU driver. Also, if you use stuff like Spotify, you may need to install widevine from the Fedora Asahi repositories.
I have the 2017 mbp 15 inch with an i7 9something and a Radeon 560pro. I got that for 4000€. It died in 1 year (not fully) so I've been using it since then. The bootcamp part doesn't work anymore, the battery won't charge 1/2 times it fully drains in 1 hour, it's extremely loud and idles at 100ºC. Even on MacOS. A few keys of the keyboard stopped working after one month and they made me pay 300€ for the diagnosis at Apple store and guess what ? THEY COULDN'T FIND AN ISSUE. I brought it home again and it wouldn't turn on. Razer Blade 18 will be my best friend for the rest of my life. Even if it's not known for its reliability, it can't be worse than a Macbook.
The issue with native windows support and external GPUs is that Apple silicon is an ARM based processor not having the compatibility with many things. Plus I think Apple could let you run windows natively, but that’d be a bunch of money to optimize windows for it and they don’t want you running windows.
Jokes on you, I had to buy a MacBook Pro a few months into 2020 and here I am with the base GPU Intel model, unable to play any games without it almost going on fire AND with only 2 USB C ports AND a nice and worn down butterfly keyboard after only 4 years :')
the m1,m2, and the m3 MacBook pros do the same thing and also have less compatibility also my macbook air (2014)'s keyboard is completely fine and just buy an adapter for the ports
@98xp My M series has perfect thermals even when gaming and editing 4k video. But I know different people have different experiences. Just like I know people who get perfect gaming performance on Linux, whereas I can never achieve that even on supported hardware. I never used an Intel based macbook, so I can't speak to the quality of 2014 Macbooks
i got my 2012 mbp 15" recently i was scrappuing the degraded resin around the screen w knife, and i made too much presure on it so i broke the lcd :/ but still im not giving up on my mac, im saving up money to buy a new display assembly for it!! never gonna give up on my ewaste cuz i love macs! and still, 12 years is much for a computer and im not gonna let it die!
Ok reason #1 - no it has 4 ports, but only 2 buses so it’s really just 2 ports but they are shared, it’s like buying a dongle and also one of those ports has to be for charging. The new ones have an HDMI output plus a dedicated charging cable. Two things that would often take up a port for most people (i have a hub that does all these things though). Reason 2: yeah i miss boot camp :( Reason 3: also the eGPU thing was very limited as to which cards were compatible and at the point you are spending for all that you may as well buy an ITX desktop pc (that’s what i did) for gaming and other pc stuff. Reason 4: yeah monitor support was better on Intel Macs, but that is only for the base models, and the way they were supported kinda sucks. You quickly start having performances issues (i run a 2019 model MacBook Pro 64gb ram maxed out GPU too) and it slows to a crawl as soon i hook up 2 monitors. Fans going full blast constantly. Sure it CAN but it doesn’t like it and everything gets throttled. Definitely don’t do more than office tasks or whatever, good luck being creative with that (i do audio and video work it’s impossible that way i gotta often limit to one other monitor). I really wanna upgrade to apple silicon but i’m broke rn and my MacBook still works (even if it limits the tasks i can do).
Heavily disagree on some of these takes, but I'd like to know what others think. Reason 1 (1:10) - The intel mac there does have four Thunderbolt 4 capable USB-C ports where the 14 inch Macbook Pros only have 3, but what is being glossed over is that the 2017 macbook ONLY has those four ports for charging and all expansion, while the newer macbooks have MagSafe, HDMI, and an SD card slot, negating the need for a fourth thunderbolt port since the functionality has been replaced by dedicated ports. Would it be nice to get a fourth Thunderbolt port on top of that? Sure. But that doesn't make the intel Mac better for having it. Reason 2 - It isnt crazy that Mac's can run Windows, since the underlying hardware isnt that much different and Windows is built to be compatible with a wide variety of devices. In fact, there are community projects that modify macOS to run on standard PC hardware that aren't too difficult to get going. We can't do that anymore is because current versions of Windows are fundamentally not compatible with the way the Apple Silicon chips work. Boot Camp would essentially have to just be Parallels since we would have to emulate an x86 chip to run it. if Microsoft were to make a publicly available ARM version of Windows for some reason, I wouldn't see why Boot Camp wouldn't come back
3:16, now you know the 4 thunderbolt port variant wasn’t the base model; the 2 TB port version in 2017 was. That being said, your point stands that even with the base Intel supported 2 4K monitors, which is better than the single display support of the M2 MBP. Good ad transition tho
These are the exact same reasons why I am keeping a 2020 Intel MacBook Pro with a faulty logic board than replace it with an Apple Silicon mac. I need BootCamp and would still like to use my eGPU. Having more than one external monitor is also nice
I think for thunderbolt at least, on the Intel ones you lost 1/4 to charging (and you definitely needed to keep those plugged in under load) so you still had three. You could bypass with a dongle but you could do the same on an M Pro/Max MBP. You also have HDMI and SD so you have less need for dongles/thunderbolt ports.
I still cant get rid of the 2012 mbp 15 in my studio. It hooks up to my thunderbolt display, cinema display and a TV at the same time as all my audio gear. It Also connects to ethernet on the thunderbolt display while connecting to my mixer via its WiFi so I can control it while still having internet. It's also still more than capable of running logic pro. I would love to use an M series macbook air in its place since they're more than capable for logic... But I couldn't connect about half of my setup to it even with adapters. So until the M1 Max laptops get affordable I'll be sticking with the trusty ol intel from 2012
they advertised so much about the M series MacBook being able to play these graphic intensive triple A games but yet cannot get the games from steam lmao
One big advantage of the Intel macs is a lot of them were upgradable! With the Apple silicon machines, you'd better be dang sure you're buying the right amount of RAM and storage. IMO a laptop where you can't even add more storage is kind of a bummer, but not that surprising given Apple's current reparability stance.
I really liked the retina generation, but the anti repairs practices and lack of control over your own device( like not ending able to run windows or any other OS) for me it’s just too much. I still use an Intel Mac, but plan to upgrade to the framework laptop. I feel like it suits better my needs. Though I really like the new M series Macs. The level of performance and efficiency is just insane! Great video also! 😊
I have a 2017 macbook pro, it's very usable still on the newest version of Ventura and I use it for photo editing and school, it's nice I enjoy using it, wayyyy better than any windows laptop I've used. But I don't like it when it heats up so much I have to remove it from my lap so I don't get burnt
0:21, the one on the left has the 1st generation Touchbar, the right one has the 2nd gen. So the right one is probably Apple silicon… Oh you say the differences after 😢
Although thunderbolt is a very powerful port, most people that use Macs benefit a lot from having other types of ports instead of a lot of thunderbolt ports. The people who actually use all those thunderbolt ports are a very small minority. The framework approach to this is my favorite, they just have a bunch of modules, that way each customer can have the specific port setup that suits their needs without the need for dongles
There was a lot of hardware hiccups with those setups. I had the full egpu setup as well with a top notch 2019 MacBook Pro. Heat was a serious issue. With Crossover and Whiskey gaining traction, things have changed quite a bit. The only serious thing I think people will be sad about, is VR at this point. The new anti cheat programs even blocked bootcamp, because reasons? NO VR Chat, no Star Citizen. They refused to work as of 2024 on bootcamp properly. I think the pros outweigh the cons tbh. And I wanted all the OSes on one machine I could rely on. It's close enough.
I really miss the times of when u could install windows and have external gpus. Once was running a setup with an external rtx 3070 and 6 samsung odyssey g9 monitors. unthinkable today
I need to use Windows for some works and I love older Macs (2020 and before) and macOS design. Apple silicon Macs need to pay for Parallel desktop to run Windows but Intel Macs just need Bootcamp. I will say I prefer Intel Macs personally.
I use an intel 16" Macbook Pro for work in the office, and my M1 Macbook Pro at home runs way faster and more efficient than the intel 16" MBP, to a point that I have to bring my M1 MBP to the office for extra multitasking stuff, because the intel MBP keeps on throttling and showing the beach ball.
I will say this about the intel ones. My dads old MacBook Air (specs 4gb ram 256gb ssd early 2015) is still going and it’s durable as shit I spilt my tea on it and the damn thing still works like a charm
Apparently, bootcamp isnt a thing with the M series because of Microsoft’s Windows ARM policies (I MIGHT be wrong, I’ve read this somewhere a long time ago)
I have the MBP 14" from 2021 with the M1 Pro 10-Core and I love it. The only downside is the Windows one you mentioned. Running Windows natively on my MacBook was just a nice thing to have. But in all other aspects Apple Silicon is the best by far. Especially when it comes to temperatures and battery life. I would never go back lol😁
I have a 2012 mabook pro (10,2), and I like it because I put Arch Linux on it (btw), and everything works great, and it has support which osx Mojave lost (I don't like Catalina) I really, really (really) like how high quality the 2k display is. What I don't like is that there are only 2 USB-A ports and no USB-C ports C:
Maybe with the recent push for Windows on ARM courtesy of the new Snapdragon chips we'll get the option to bootcamp into the ARM version of Windows at some point. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
the only reason i still would never get an intel macbook is because of how much of a thermal nightmare it is, not to mention its inefficiency. i'm surprised macbooks still had better battery life than their competitors, considering the fact both of them had the same intel chip.
Apple switched to Intel because cisco architecture while slow to improve performance over time is still backwards compatible and performance increases constantly while risc always impresses at first but as you have now seen performance over newer generation is close to null and eventually becomes less capable compared to Intel cisc. It is old and tried architecture. You can look for old 90s byte magazine articles that asked the question who will win? And risc lost while cisc won in 2006.
I don’t know why people consider having multiple monitors a must. 2 is enough granted that with Apple Silicon, you’re bound to get performance that far outmatches that of Intel Macs.
I still use a 2012 intel macbook pro along with bootcamp for some light gaming. I just got lucky on a cheap uprade which is just a slightly better one.
Apple Silicon was the reason I didn't buy a mac. I needed windows, and with macOS being the only option on m1, m2, m3 etc I just went for a windows laptop instead.
valid criticisms! I do think it's worth noting that most of the problems you mention here are due to limitations of the chip itself, not apple just deliberately removing features. Even for bootcamp - I assume they would have to work on drivers to get that to work correctly, although that one is a bit more difficult to argue. Apple silicon is still new, I'm sure they'll get more PCIe lanes to catch up to the intel chips eventually :) I say all this as someone who very much dislikes apple, too
there should be a lot of pcie lanes available to add more than 2 ports... I've just seen a card on amazon that's 1x pcie who knows what and has 4 usb 3.2 and 3 usb C ports, now the thing is they want you to buy the quirky apple brick extendomajig and their adapters to get... well... more cash it's the same reason they won't make their devices easily repairable, upgradeable. Sadly they are, one of the most "premium" brands with the better performance, albeit you'll not be having a 2019 macbook for long before the newer one is better. The userbase will too, never even know what a driver or pcie slot is, because they don't care.
I'm sorry but the things listed here truly sound like gimmicks. If I'd wanted my MacBook to run Windows, I'd just get a Windows laptop. Same for the external GPUs. If I'd like my computer to run off of an external GPU, I'd get a desktop PC. Apple Silicon has truly put Apple back on a spot it wasn't before. Nowadays, a 2020 MacBook Air has the power to do pretty much everything whereas a Windows PC from 2020 with the same specs or an Intel MacBook Pro from 2019 can't.
I wanted to run DBD on m1 mac, so fu...ng easy anticheat stopped me because it cannot work on arm... idk will it run on windows arm laptop, but it's sad.
You can literally play windows games on Apple Silicon macs now... "Only 3 Thunderbolt". Okay, and we now have magsafe so one of them isn't always taken up by charging. "Bootcamp is gone". If you really need to run windows you probably shouldn't be buying a mac in the first place. For *most* people, Apple Silicon is an upgrade in every conceivable way. For the niches, stick to Intel Macs.
Insane take, I’ll hear you out tho 😂
my channel in a nutshell lmaooo
His take is true, they are better, but not as in overall better, but have features that were way better before than now. :’)
Not an insane take, I daily drive an Intel Mac Pro and Macbook specifically because of these features for work and productivity.
@@notrottenapple Apple did say that the m chips were capable of running windows. It’s just Microsoft hasn’t released windows on arm to apple Boot Camp is still around, but it just doesn’t work on arm right now apple is waiting for Microsoft to make drivers for the M series chips
@@NicVandEmZ there is ARM windows laptops
Another benefit of Intel Macs: They kindly warm up your house during winters
true.
He kinda addressed that at the end.
But in summer as well 😢
WHY IS THIS SO TRUE 😭
@@miacodesswiftmaybe they are made for winter lol
It's so annoying how I can only connect 2 monitors on my M3 Pro, but the average intel macbook can do like 4
Not everyone is a multi-monitor guru
indeed, we all have 4 monitors
Windows can connect as many as the computer can handle, whats ur point?
can you not have multiple monitors over a single usb c? i don't have a macbook, but on my framework 16 i currently have 2 monitors connected with a single usb c, and my dock could technically do 3 but i never tried
@@lunlunnnnn your framework with x86 CPU
Well I’d rather have an hdmi port and an sd card reader and a MagSafe port then a fourth thunderbolt port tbh.
2012-2015 Retina MacBook Pros
but you can have all of that and just add another thunderbolt port
MacBook pro 2011 enters the chat with 1 thunderbolt port, 1 FireWire port, mag safe, 2 usb ports, SD card reader, CD-RW DVD-RW drive (with support for DVD-RAM too), Kensington lock, easily swappable ram and ssd, ethernet and an IR sensor
your m3 MacBook pro can't even dream about those things
At least with the Intel MBPs you could use one Thunderbolt cable for multiple monitors. With the ASi laptops that only works with the Apple Studio Display
@@Emayeah apart from USB type A who the hell cares about dvd drives, FireWire and IR sensors on a laptop in 2024. I can also pick a laptop from 2004 and say look it has DVI, vga and PCMCIA ports and a parallel printer port. Who cares about obsolete ports. Most people don’t use these anymore.
I agree with upgradability but pretending like post 2015 macs were much better in that regard is being incredibly disingenuous. Ram upgrades haven’t been possible in about 10 years and ssds have been soldered on now for years too.
Ways Intel Macs are better: They double up as a portable oven and grilll
Apple M MacBook pros still reach 50 degrees easily
@@PFnove last time i checked 50 degrees is less than 100 degrees
@@PFnove “actually for a CPU what matters is temperature being stable at under
100 degrees” - No. What matters is CPU temperature staying as close to room temperature as possible. Temp “stability” is completely irrelevant and entirely depends on what you are doing. If you put your laptop under full load it can reach its safety temp limit and be “stable” at it, while cooking itself and your fingers. The higher your CPU’s temperature, the faster it ages. That’s why most CPUs can only tolerate 90+ degrees for a couple of minutes, and then self-regulate to under 80-85 (which often is the upper safety temp limit). The fact that they jump between 90 and 80 degrees doesn’t matter. What’s damaging is that they got that hot in the first place. Ideally, in tower PCs, they wouldn’t exceed 60 degrees.
“I've never seen a working laptop go over 50 degrees” - I don’t understand what you are referring to here - internal chip temperature or surface temperature. Internal temp can easily be pushed over 50 degrees on every modern laptop if you do anything power intensive. External can also be pushed to 50 degrees, since many laptops are inadequately cooled, but even at 40 it is very uncomfortable to hold.
“most laptops have a cooler which moves the heat somewhere that isn't your legs” - Most laptop coolers are woefully underpowered. Simply because they are small. That’s why it is way more effective to produce less power-hungry chips like Apple’s M chips, or Qualcomm’s Snapdragon chips.
“Guess what MacBooks don't have and where they dump all the heat under load” - Don’t have what? Coolers? Only the macbook air doesn’t have a cooler and anyone doing anything more intensive than writing on it would never buy one in the first place.
Source - I’m an electrical engineer.
@@PFnove “actually for a CPU what matters is temperature being stable at under
100 degrees” - No. What matters is CPU temperature staying as close to room temperature as possible. Temp “stability” is completely irrelevant and entirely depends on what you are doing. If you put your laptop under full load it can reach its safety temp limit and be “stable” at it, while cooking itself and your fingers. The higher your CPU’s temperature, the faster it ages. That’s why most CPUs can only tolerate 90+ degrees for a couple of minutes, and then self-regulate to under 80-85 (which often is the upper safety temp limit). The fact that they jump between 90 and 80 degrees doesn’t matter. What’s damaging is that they got that hot in the first place. Ideally, in tower PCs, they wouldn’t exceed 60 degrees.
“I've never seen a working laptop go over 50 degrees” - I don’t understand what you are referring to here - internal chip temperature or surface temperature. Internal temp can easily be pushed over 50 degrees on every modern laptop if you do anything power intensive. External can also be pushed to 50 degrees, since many laptops are inadequately cooled, but even at 40 it is very uncomfortable to hold.
“most laptops have a cooler which moves the heat somewhere that isn't your legs” - Most laptop coolers are woefully underpowered. Simply because they are small. That’s why it is way more effective to produce less power-hungry chips like Apple’s M chips, or Qualcomm’s Snapdragon chips.
“Guess what MacBooks don't have and where they dump all the heat under load” - Don’t have what? Coolers? Only the macbook air doesn’t have a cooler and anyone doing anything more intensive than writing on it would never buy one in the first place.
Source - I’m an electrical engineer.
A laptop _and_ a campfire to keep you cozy? What an amazing design! (foreshadowing)
Two more: On an Intel Mac, the boot loader & Internet Recovery are stored on a separate chip on the motherboard. On a ASi device, it's stored on the main SSD.
This means if you manage to corrupt the internal SSD on an Intel Mac, you could use Internet Recovery or a USB flash drive to restore the OS, no matter what. On the ASi, depending on how corrupt the drive is, it requires you to plug it into another Mac and recover the bootloader.
And if your internal drive dies in an Intel Mac, you can use an external as an OS drive, whereas on ASi, the machine is bricked.
And, booting from external drives is so much more stable and simple on Intel Macs. You hold alt at startup and select the external drive.
On the ASi, you need to boot in to recovery, reduce startup security (otherwise you'll get a cryptic error message), reboot into macOS, set the startup disk, enter your password, reboot, and hope it works instead of telling you there's no valid start up disks on the system. And if you try to boot without the default startup disk present, Intel macs would default to the internal disk. Apple Silicons give you the sad mac.
also to note, on older intel macbooks (2015 or older), you can replace the internal ssd with a larger ssd, or replace it once the original fails. also applies to iMacs released in 2019 or older.
Cool
Cool story bro but you don't get a mac if you wanna do these things
@@l4rkdono I use a Mac. I do most of these things. Also nobody is purposely having their SSD die on them
Rotten Apple must have hit a blunt before making this video
My sister got a MacBook Pro in 2020, now her only choices were M1 or Intel but at that time app support was pretty lackluster on M1 and I didn't want her to get a risky recomandation. Fast forward 2024, she wants to use her laptop for some work with her architecture work, she finds a software that is perfect just to find out it's Apple Silicon exclusive, she was really dissapointed. Also that laptop went hot at all times.
Nobody could have expected a decade+ combination of hardware and software get severed... Oh wait, we're talking about that company... That's tough.
can you let me know what software did you refer to?
@@whattheelijahare you high? Not ansingle intel program didnt work on m1.
@@jhoughjr1 if i had a mac i'd know about that, it's still shady and i dislike it
@@jhoughjr1 the new chatgpt app is silicon only
Parallels don't emulate Windows. It would be impossible to use if it was emulated (x86 emulation with qemu is awful). What happens is virtualization. Parallels runs Windows 11 for arm. The same version of windows is used on snapdragon x laptops. And the main reason you are experiencing troubles with running some old software on windows is that windows is having problem translating from x86 to arm.
I came here to say the same thing. In fact, now that Windows is taking ARM seriously, Boot Camp could actually return if they can solve the TPM incompatibility.
@@KosherCoder but ig there would be problem as apple sillicon is totally different than snapdragon X chip so they will need to specially make windows for Apple sillicon (which most probably they wont)
@@ascoolasariv6969 operating systems aren’t made for a chip or manufacturer. Both macOS and Windows for ARM will run on the ARM64 architecture. I’m running Win11 virtualized on M1 Pro, so why not on M4?
@@KosherCoder Technically it is emulation because of the contract with Microsoft and Qualcomm Windows on Arm only supports Qualcomm chips so parallel emulates that Qualcomm chip so you can run Windows on Arm on your mac
@@KiqxyWixy That contract expired a long time ago. Since February 2023, Microsoft has officially supported Windows for ARM on Apple Silicon. Regardless, you are confusing emulation and virtualization. They are different concepts. Parallels emulates the TPM module in order for Win11 compatibility, but that's all. The OS is virtualized and runs natively.
Personally, I hate how my base model MacBook Pro from 2019 could handle my 3 displays but now you have to pay even more for the same feature on apple silicon.
One disadvantage of Apple Silicon is unified memory.
Unified memory is extremely fast and efficient, but if your Mac only has 8 GB of memory, once MacOS takes the lion's share - around 4.5 GB in itself - the rest of your Mac's subsystems will have less remaining to use. My 2012 MacBook Pros have 16 GB of discreet memory, my 2018 Mac Mini has 32 GB, my 2013 trashcan Mac Pro has 64 GB, and my 2010 cheesegrater Mac Pro has 96 GB; these devices almost never engage in swap memory activity (and neither does my M1 Max Mac Studio with 32 GB), whereas an 8 GB Mac Mini engages in near-constant swap activity.
Unified memory is great as long as you have a decent amount of it.
bro has 5 macs
@@us249 I have 31, actually, with a ratio of about 2-1 Intel and PowerPC. I chose those five as a good illustration of my point.
@@QUANTUMJOKER are you a collector? or just a mega enthusiast?
I run a 14” MacBook Pro with M2 Pro (what a mouthful) and I’ll be honest, only having three thunderbolt/USB4 ports has not been an issue. I much prefer having full sized HDMI and MagSafe. I’m yet to really run into bottlenecks on the TB ports so I’m not too bothered. Though I do miss boot camp (though whiskey and GPTK2 have filled most of that gap)
0:21 If the Fn key has the globe icon -> apple silicon
Plenty of Intel Macs are still perfectly capable and even snappy for everyday light-to-medium use, and up to about 2018, Intel Macs were still somewhat repairable and upgradeable. I use a 2017 MacBook Air with a 500 GB NVMe SSD as my work commute laptop, and my two Mac Pros are still really powerful and capable, especially after my extensive upgrades: a 3 GHz ten-core CPU, 64 GB of RAM and a 2 TB NVMe SSD in my 2013 trashcan Mac Pro, and two 3.06 GHz six-core CPUs, 96 GB of RAM, two 1 TB NVMe SSDs, an RX 580 graphics card, a USB 3/C combo card and dual Blu Ray drives. :D
lol my MacBook 2014 does perfectly and replaced my gaming laptop from 2020
Another thing is driver/software stability. Working in IT, I have seen so many issues with Apple Silicon laptops regarding drivers that just were way more minimal on Intel Macs.
- USB drive wake and sleep issues
- Thunderbolt issues
- Issues with Wi-Fi
And when I was migrating my father's Intel Mac Pro to an M1 Mac mini via FireWire, the M1 Mac mini would hard crash a few seconds after it mounted the drives from the Mac Pro that was in TDM.
Maybe this is just me coping as an Intel Mac mini user, but I am not looking forward to the day I have to upgrade to Apple Silicon on my desktop. I have an M3 Air as a laptop that I use occasionally, and it has it's own issues with the software I tend to use (like Blender that has to be updated manually as the Steam version is x86 only)
Personally, while I think on paper it sucks that there's less thunderbolt ports on the M-series machines, its more than made up for the fact that there's HDMI and SD card now. As a filmmaker, two of the ports were being used up by dongles to connect stuff to. Then another port being taken up by a charger. So realistically, I only had one port available.
I have an old late 2011 iMac and it doesn't run a lot of things well, but I've gotten Windows 7, Ubuntu, and Mac OS X running (not at the same time) but all on the same machine. It really is cool to see the setups for all of those operating systems running on an outdated machine. It also has a built in CD drive so that's something most new PCs don't have.
I am actually writing this comment on a 13-inch Unibody MacBook Pro 2012 in Windows 10. With this MacBook I have so many experiences. For example the games I play on these MacBook are Roblox, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, San Andreas Multiplayer, Minecraft: Story Mode, FIFA 14 etc. My MacBook also helps me with work like FL Studio, ClipChamp, Office 2019, AutoCAD 2012, Spline and much more software. As this is a Unibody MacBook Pro it has a LOT of ports like MagSafe 1 Charghing of course, Ethernet, ThunderBolt, 2 USB-A ports, SD card port and headphone jack. Do I have to mention that I am still rocking 4 GB RAM on this MacBook Pro. You can upgrade to 8 GB RAM and with some tricks even upgrade to 16 GB RAM. And oh boy, 8 or 16 GB help even more using the MacBook for gaming and for multitasking. With 16 GB DDR3 SODIMM you can run Grand Theft Auto V, FIFA 15 (Pretty sure some other fifa's too) and so many other games that need more than 4 GB RAM. Its Really helpful for price too as a 2012 MacBook Pro can cost around 200 to 300 Bucks and the RAM upgrade can cost around 20 to 40 Bucks, I also reccomend to install a SSD from 256 GB to 500 GB of SSD size depending on what will you use the MacBook Pro. The con is that it does heat a little but it barely overheats and I guarantee no overheat (still heat tho) if you put only 8 GB RAM. You can also use OpenCore to download and daily drive MacOS Ventura as MacOS Sonoma does have some rendering bugs. I reccomend using MacOS Ventura after the upgrades but if you want to you can also upgrade to MacOS Ventura without upgrading hardware.
I know you ain't readin allat but in short terms:
A intel-based MacBook Pro is worth it
My iMac 2008 ran Roblox pretty good, until you wanted them big realistic maps, then it just completely froze
Love my 2019 i9 16” with 5500M 8GB GPU. I am not a heavy gamer at all but it’s nice to have the ability to run some Fortnite with friends with decent settings and frames from time to time.
I had the latest intel mac before they killed it off with 4 usb c ports. Loved it, especially bootcamp which I used all the time, but as it got older it became basically impossible to edit videos on in final cut or any other video editing software I tried. Not to mention the burning hot temperatures or jet engine sounds that thing would make. Also, when plugging into all 4 usb c ports, (charging, external display, mouse & keyboard) one of the ports just ended up dying and didn’t even work for charging after that. Really liked that machine but it could not handle what I was making it do. I have a 2021 14 inch M1 mbp w/ 32gbs of memory that devours everything I throw at it. The leap from intel to silicon was massive and still is
I currently have an M1 MacBook Air, and I’m okay with it, but I could always get a Portable Handheld Gaming like the ROG Ally for running X86 programs that are incompatible with ARM and having a very portable setup at the same time, and I can just plug the Ally through an HDMI Capture Card through the MacBook’s OBS program if I need a bigger screen anyway.
Yoooo that's my video at 3:04! Thanks for the inclusion!
Bro Im Subscribed and ADORED the butterfly keyboard. Never had problems. I want it back
the only thing i miss is running 32 bit applications and games. Would love to play LFD2 with the boys just like the good old days
you could try running it through whisky
support for UI scailing for non 4K displays: So its generally a MacOS problem, but with intel mac there was a other graficdriver witch aloud 3th-party software to do UI scaling on non 4kDisplays anyways. On AppleSilicon 3th-Party software now has to emulate a hole new virtual display with a supported resolution, and than mirror it on your physical Display. - This is somtime Buggy, and has a higher computing power demand.
For those of you facing the same problem the software i am reffering to is called "BetterDisplay".
keeping the menu bar app name synced with the current shown thing for all the video 👏👏 every details counts
I regularly use bootcamp on my 2016 pro for windows games that I want to play, I don't want to upgrade partly for this reason.
funny enough, my 2010 MacBook can also do something much better than any modern Mac: it's a heater, runs Arch Linux (btw), user-serviceable, AND works as a daily just fine for simple games, Duolingo lessons, and 720p YT. 8GB of RAM and the P8600 make it such a beauty imo.
Intel Macbooks with eGPUs and native Windows support is 100% going to make them better than M series macs until we finally get good ARM support
As an android and IOS developer, I love the apple silicon transition, the battery just lasts waaaay longer than with intel, and the emulators and IDES just run so much better
Also most Linux distros are for 64 bit X86 (Intel specifically) and tbh using linux on an old mac is an absolute dream.
I have a 2008 Imac running happily on it and use it as a music player and light web browsing and it's a dream.
Ik Asahi linux has come far but it's still not an easy to use out of the box thing.
These days, it is difficult to distinguish Asahi Linux from an x86 distro, in so far as you use Wayland (so Gnome/KDE/Sway/hyprland). Only thing I can't do on Asahi is game due to arm and lack of vulkan. I'm sure the experience is a lot better on x86 though, I've switched most of my Linux stuff over to a Ryzen powered PC now.
@@grantschilb8019 What about workloads like blender 3d? I'm looking to try Asahi again soon-ish.
@htechtgarisc7559 I'm not a blender user, so I don't know how it would compare to other Linux machines or a Mac using macOS. I have run some openGL apps on Asahi Linux, so I'll share some benchmarks here. I managed to get well over 100 fps on Minecraft at 1440p on a 165 Hz monitor. Dolphin emulator ran all my Wii games at full speed and 4x resolution and even let me pass through physical controllers (something macOS can't do without third party hardware). Desktop composition was also very smooth compared to Nvidia powered systems, even on KDE plasma. As of now, I believe Asahi Linux has full support for Open GL 4.6. Just avoid flatpaks, as those don't have access to the M1/2 GPU driver. Also, if you use stuff like Spotify, you may need to install widevine from the Fedora Asahi repositories.
I have the 2017 mbp 15 inch with an i7 9something and a Radeon 560pro. I got that for 4000€. It died in 1 year (not fully) so I've been using it since then. The bootcamp part doesn't work anymore, the battery won't charge 1/2 times it fully drains in 1 hour, it's extremely loud and idles at 100ºC. Even on MacOS. A few keys of the keyboard stopped working after one month and they made me pay 300€ for the diagnosis at Apple store and guess what ? THEY COULDN'T FIND AN ISSUE. I brought it home again and it wouldn't turn on. Razer Blade 18 will be my best friend for the rest of my life. Even if it's not known for its reliability, it can't be worse than a Macbook.
The issue with native windows support and external GPUs is that Apple silicon is an ARM based processor not having the compatibility with many things. Plus I think Apple could let you run windows natively, but that’d be a bunch of money to optimize windows for it and they don’t want you running windows.
Jokes on you, I had to buy a MacBook Pro a few months into 2020 and here I am with the base GPU Intel model, unable to play any games without it almost going on fire AND with only 2 USB C ports AND a nice and worn down butterfly keyboard after only 4 years :')
the m1,m2, and the m3 MacBook pros do the same thing and also have less compatibility
also my macbook air (2014)'s keyboard is completely fine and just buy an adapter for the ports
@98xp My M series has perfect thermals even when gaming and editing 4k video. But I know different people have different experiences. Just like I know people who get perfect gaming performance on Linux, whereas I can never achieve that even on supported hardware. I never used an Intel based macbook, so I can't speak to the quality of 2014 Macbooks
Your keyboard is still fine because your MacBook is from a time before the whole butterfly keyboard fiasco
i got my 2012 mbp 15" recently i was scrappuing the degraded resin around the screen w knife, and i made too much presure on it so i broke the lcd :/ but still im not giving up on my mac, im saving up money to buy a new display assembly for it!! never gonna give up on my ewaste cuz i love macs! and still, 12 years is much for a computer and im not gonna let it die!
0:45 What background video is that?
Ok reason #1 - no it has 4 ports, but only 2 buses so it’s really just 2 ports but they are shared, it’s like buying a dongle and also one of those ports has to be for charging. The new ones have an HDMI output plus a dedicated charging cable. Two things that would often take up a port for most people (i have a hub that does all these things though).
Reason 2: yeah i miss boot camp :(
Reason 3: also the eGPU thing was very limited as to which cards were compatible and at the point you are spending for all that you may as well buy an ITX desktop pc (that’s what i did) for gaming and other pc stuff.
Reason 4: yeah monitor support was better on Intel Macs, but that is only for the base models, and the way they were supported kinda sucks. You quickly start having performances issues (i run a 2019 model MacBook Pro 64gb ram maxed out GPU too) and it slows to a crawl as soon i hook up 2 monitors. Fans going full blast constantly. Sure it CAN but it doesn’t like it and everything gets throttled. Definitely don’t do more than office tasks or whatever, good luck being creative with that (i do audio and video work it’s impossible that way i gotta often limit to one other monitor).
I really wanna upgrade to apple silicon but i’m broke rn and my MacBook still works (even if it limits the tasks i can do).
Heavily disagree on some of these takes, but I'd like to know what others think.
Reason 1 (1:10) - The intel mac there does have four Thunderbolt 4 capable USB-C ports where the 14 inch Macbook Pros only have 3, but what is being glossed over is that the 2017 macbook ONLY has those four ports for charging and all expansion, while the newer macbooks have MagSafe, HDMI, and an SD card slot, negating the need for a fourth thunderbolt port since the functionality has been replaced by dedicated ports. Would it be nice to get a fourth Thunderbolt port on top of that? Sure. But that doesn't make the intel Mac better for having it.
Reason 2 - It isnt crazy that Mac's can run Windows, since the underlying hardware isnt that much different and Windows is built to be compatible with a wide variety of devices. In fact, there are community projects that modify macOS to run on standard PC hardware that aren't too difficult to get going. We can't do that anymore is because current versions of Windows are fundamentally not compatible with the way the Apple Silicon chips work. Boot Camp would essentially have to just be Parallels since we would have to emulate an x86 chip to run it. if Microsoft were to make a publicly available ARM version of Windows for some reason, I wouldn't see why Boot Camp wouldn't come back
As someone who bought a MacBook Pro in summer 2020… I needed this
I played FNAF Security breach on my MacBook Pro 2019 with its 5600m via bootcamp and I swear on launch it ran better than the PS5 version
3:16, now you know the 4 thunderbolt port variant wasn’t the base model; the 2 TB port version in 2017 was. That being said, your point stands that even with the base Intel supported 2 4K monitors, which is better than the single display support of the M2 MBP. Good ad transition tho
These are the exact same reasons why I am keeping a 2020 Intel MacBook Pro with a faulty logic board than replace it with an Apple Silicon mac. I need BootCamp and would still like to use my eGPU. Having more than one external monitor is also nice
I think for thunderbolt at least, on the Intel ones you lost 1/4 to charging (and you definitely needed to keep those plugged in under load) so you still had three. You could bypass with a dongle but you could do the same on an M Pro/Max MBP. You also have HDMI and SD so you have less need for dongles/thunderbolt ports.
I still cant get rid of the 2012 mbp 15 in my studio. It hooks up to my thunderbolt display, cinema display and a TV at the same time as all my audio gear. It Also connects to ethernet on the thunderbolt display while connecting to my mixer via its WiFi so I can control it while still having internet. It's also still more than capable of running logic pro. I would love to use an M series macbook air in its place since they're more than capable for logic... But I couldn't connect about half of my setup to it even with adapters. So until the M1 Max laptops get affordable I'll be sticking with the trusty ol intel from 2012
bootcamp was the thing i missed most in intel macs, aside from being an electric stove
they advertised so much about the M series MacBook being able to play these graphic intensive triple A games but yet cannot get the games from steam lmao
One big advantage of the Intel macs is a lot of them were upgradable! With the Apple silicon machines, you'd better be dang sure you're buying the right amount of RAM and storage. IMO a laptop where you can't even add more storage is kind of a bummer, but not that surprising given Apple's current reparability stance.
lack of egpu support and even worse upgradeability are the worst part for me, but on the other hand, now we have decent battery life
I really liked the retina generation, but the anti repairs practices and lack of control over your own device( like not ending able to run windows or any other OS) for me it’s just too much. I still use an Intel Mac, but plan to upgrade to the framework laptop. I feel like it suits better my needs. Though I really like the new M series Macs. The level of performance and efficiency is just insane!
Great video also! 😊
I have a 2017 macbook pro, it's very usable still on the newest version of Ventura and I use it for photo editing and school, it's nice I enjoy using it, wayyyy better than any windows laptop I've used. But I don't like it when it heats up so much I have to remove it from my lap so I don't get burnt
if you haven't already, replace the thermal paste. Just like any computer with heat issues. Paste doesn't last forever.
I loved the butterfly keyboards and I actually want it back. 😌
0:21, the one on the left has the 1st generation Touchbar, the right one has the 2nd gen. So the right one is probably Apple silicon… Oh you say the differences after 😢
I found another problem with the new macbooks: the palmrest is very cold in the winter months
There are more pros then cons in Apple Silicon Mac that you just ignored
And the best case scenario is to ether use them as a backup to the m chips ones or switch to linux
Although thunderbolt is a very powerful port, most people that use Macs benefit a lot from having other types of ports instead of a lot of thunderbolt ports. The people who actually use all those thunderbolt ports are a very small minority.
The framework approach to this is my favorite, they just have a bunch of modules, that way each customer can have the specific port setup that suits their needs without the need for dongles
There was a lot of hardware hiccups with those setups. I had the full egpu setup as well with a top notch 2019 MacBook Pro.
Heat was a serious issue.
With Crossover and Whiskey gaining traction, things have changed quite a bit.
The only serious thing I think people will be sad about, is VR at this point.
The new anti cheat programs even blocked bootcamp, because reasons? NO VR Chat, no Star Citizen. They refused to work as of 2024 on bootcamp properly.
I think the pros outweigh the cons tbh. And I wanted all the OSes on one machine I could rely on. It's close enough.
I really miss the times of when u could install windows and have external gpus. Once was running a setup with an external rtx 3070 and 6 samsung odyssey g9 monitors. unthinkable today
2:37 i play fortnite on my macbook pro 2017 TO THIS DAY.
(WITHOUT A EGPU)
I need to use Windows for some works and I love older Macs (2020 and before) and macOS design. Apple silicon Macs need to pay for Parallel desktop to run Windows but Intel Macs just need Bootcamp. I will say I prefer Intel Macs personally.
I use an intel 16" Macbook Pro for work in the office, and my M1 Macbook Pro at home runs way faster and more efficient than the intel 16" MBP, to a point that I have to bring my M1 MBP to the office for extra multitasking stuff, because the intel MBP keeps on throttling and showing the beach ball.
The new MacBook pros have three thunderbolt 4 ports instead of four thunderbolt 3 ports. It’s still more throughput overall
I will say this about the intel ones. My dads old MacBook Air (specs 4gb ram 256gb ssd early 2015) is still going and it’s durable as shit I spilt my tea on it and the damn thing still works like a charm
Apparently, bootcamp isnt a thing with the M series because of Microsoft’s Windows ARM policies (I MIGHT be wrong, I’ve read this somewhere a long time ago)
I have the MBP 14" from 2021 with the M1 Pro 10-Core and I love it. The only downside is the Windows one you mentioned. Running Windows natively on my MacBook was just a nice thing to have. But in all other aspects Apple Silicon is the best by far. Especially when it comes to temperatures and battery life. I would never go back lol😁
I actually really liked how the butterfly keyboards felt but damn they were unreliable
I have a 2012 mabook pro (10,2), and I like it because I put Arch Linux on it (btw), and everything works great, and it has support which osx Mojave lost (I don't like Catalina)
I really, really (really) like how high quality the 2k display is.
What I don't like is that there are only 2 USB-A ports and no USB-C ports
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Maybe with the recent push for Windows on ARM courtesy of the new Snapdragon chips we'll get the option to bootcamp into the ARM version of Windows at some point. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wow you put so much efforts in those videos. Impressive.
the only reason i still would never get an intel macbook is because of how much of a thermal nightmare it is, not to mention its inefficiency. i'm surprised macbooks still had better battery life than their competitors, considering the fact both of them had the same intel chip.
Apple switched to Intel because cisco architecture while slow to improve performance over time is still backwards compatible and performance increases constantly while risc always impresses at first but as you have now seen performance over newer generation is close to null and eventually becomes less capable compared to Intel cisc. It is old and tried architecture. You can look for old 90s byte magazine articles that asked the question who will win? And risc lost while cisc won in 2006.
actually I don'gt agree, that the return to physical buttons from the touch bar was an improvement, but I know I might be one of only a few. ;-)
Well one what they are better is that if you leave them plugged in inside the home of someone you don’t like the heat will burn down the house
I thought I knew it all... I was very wrong, getting my mom an intel computer for sure after this one LOL
I don’t know why people consider having multiple monitors a must. 2 is enough granted that with Apple Silicon, you’re bound to get performance that far outmatches that of Intel Macs.
I still use a 2012 intel macbook pro along with bootcamp for some light gaming. I just got lucky on a cheap uprade which is just a slightly better one.
I think the trade off between the thunderbolt port and hdmi, sd and MagSafe is worth it
Very niche cases it the cons really outweighs the pros but it was interesting to hear the reaosning
native windows support is the only thing i think anyone actually misses
Apple Silicon was the reason I didn't buy a mac. I needed windows, and with macOS being the only option on m1, m2, m3 etc I just went for a windows laptop instead.
Nice channel. I love the Animal Crossing background music.
feels like if the new macbook pros doesn't have hdmi and sd card reader it'll have the 4th thunderbolt port
valid criticisms! I do think it's worth noting that most of the problems you mention here are due to limitations of the chip itself, not apple just deliberately removing features. Even for bootcamp - I assume they would have to work on drivers to get that to work correctly, although that one is a bit more difficult to argue. Apple silicon is still new, I'm sure they'll get more PCIe lanes to catch up to the intel chips eventually :)
I say all this as someone who very much dislikes apple, too
there should be a lot of pcie lanes available to add more than 2 ports... I've just seen a card on amazon that's 1x pcie who knows what and has 4 usb 3.2 and 3 usb C ports, now the thing is they want you to buy the quirky apple brick extendomajig and their adapters to get... well... more cash
it's the same reason they won't make their devices easily repairable, upgradeable.
Sadly they are, one of the most "premium" brands with the better performance, albeit you'll not be having a 2019 macbook for long before the newer one is better.
The userbase will too, never even know what a driver or pcie slot is, because they don't care.
I hope native ARM bootcamp comes soon
i mean, if you can find a well-performing intel mac that's in good condition, imo it's worth buying
i have 3 windows open with a glorious 100+ fps, i have the 32 gig modle on my imac monterey
I'm sorry but the things listed here truly sound like gimmicks. If I'd wanted my MacBook to run Windows, I'd just get a Windows laptop. Same for the external GPUs. If I'd like my computer to run off of an external GPU, I'd get a desktop PC. Apple Silicon has truly put Apple back on a spot it wasn't before. Nowadays, a 2020 MacBook Air has the power to do pretty much everything whereas a Windows PC from 2020 with the same specs or an Intel MacBook Pro from 2019 can't.
90 DISLIKES?! Damn, the 90 Apple silicon and Parallels sheep watching that video are those big bad wolves disliking it.
I wanted to run DBD on m1 mac, so fu...ng easy anticheat stopped me because it cannot work on arm... idk will it run on windows arm laptop, but it's sad.
I got a 2020 intel i5 MacBook bro 😭 which has the separated esc and touch id
One is a portable space heater and the other is an efficient powerhouse lmao
i needed some copium since i bought a $3k i9 16" mbp a couple months before apple silicon first came out. This was definitely not enough copium for me
Boot camp is truly the only thing I really miss, huge L from Apple on that one.
This video must’ve been made by a cat. My cat loved my wife’s extra toasty intel MacBook.
Intel Macs can run windows making it last longer while apple could end support for the m1 and force you into buying a new one
Reason 5: They still have the Apple Logo at the front 😂
Hard disagree. Running windows and Linux free via vmware. I even run a few steam games. The ports are pretty good now on the pros.
Best advantage of Intel Macs: You can dual boot MacOS with Windows or Linux
You can literally play windows games on Apple Silicon macs now... "Only 3 Thunderbolt". Okay, and we now have magsafe so one of them isn't always taken up by charging. "Bootcamp is gone". If you really need to run windows you probably shouldn't be buying a mac in the first place. For *most* people, Apple Silicon is an upgrade in every conceivable way. For the niches, stick to Intel Macs.
Windows runs on arm now so i expect bootcamps to return on mac