I've always found the easiest way to visualize the latency aspect of spacing is to think of a shadow image of my character that copies all my movements but is delayed by a fraction of a second. My attacks still come from my 'real' position, but the part of me that can get hit is following my character. The same is true for my opponent, but since what I see is their shadow's position I can expect their attacks to come from ahead of where they are moving. I hope I explained that well.
I think that failing to understand that I can phase through their weapon while I am moving towards them is probably my biggest weakness right now. I'm a rather experienced player, tons of PvP experience, but since I haven't really been taught these things apparently there's still a lot that's going to be news to me! Thanks for making this series!
Trust me, it makes a world of difference. Once you understand the whole "phasing through weapons" thing, you'll be able to pressure your opponents much more. Plus, you'll become better at avoiding damage, because you'll now be aware of the fact that your opponent can do similar things. Just remember that this only works with high latency.
S P A T E N C Y. This is amazing and something I haven’t seen many people cover. Learning how to space in 2020 is understanding latency lol. Good video!
This video makes so much sense having seen your last video, I usually invade at SL 90 with my claymor and I trust in my hyperamer too much to make exchanges, now that I am invading in SL 25 and I don't have a hyperarmer weapon, I see myself making the mistake of trading blows with greatswords, and I'm relearning a lot about spacing. This video will be super useful to me. thanks
Indeed man .. if u got good spacing u can beat probably the best players .. some people as soon as they start a game they go for the fancy stuff, but what i always do when ever i start any new game is to know my spacing .. specially of a game has like different version of swords ⚔️ .. as always bro useful content 👍
What a true gem. You're helping newcomers improve at a much a faster rate. This will only make the community stronger with he appearence of new high level players. Can't thank you enough for these videos. I want to support your channel.
My guy, I’m just watching this series now, it’s slowly but surely helping me out. I’m absolutely amazing at PvE yet slightly below average at PvP. The detail you put into your advice is amazing, really..thank you.
Really appreciate this series Amish, I learnt the basics from watching streamers but it's far more in-depth hearing the mechanics of it explained like this!
This is an excellent video. I'm glad that you placed a lot of emphasis on the impact of latency, because it really does change the game. Also, that clip at 5:30 was a great example. Once I understood stuff like this, it made me a much better player. Anyway, I haven't played the game or posted on Reddit in like 9 months. I see YT vids pop up and I'm tempted to re-install the game, but I just can't bring myself to it. Best I stay away, for my own health.
Is interesting to add that there is a way to out-space attacks while moving backwards, and avoid "phantom range". If the relative distance between the two players doesn´t change for a given amount of time (small but hard to quantify) there is a pseudo-synchronization and attacks tend to respect their original hitbox sizes. You can start running backwards when you read a running attack, and if this "sync time" goes by before you se your opponent attack, you can trust the animation on your screen and try to whiff punish it. Of course as amish said this time is a function of latency, and hence it´s variable. But there's an "average" time that is safe in most cases, and using a shield while trying to figure it out it is advised. As a rule of thumb it goes like this: -If you're moving forward, trust the animation. -If you're moving backwards, be aware of changes in distance. -If you're strafing/moving diagonal then roll.
When i finally understood the concept of spacing in PvP it just opened up a whole new world. My timing and reads got way better and I started winning alot more. It's probably the single most important thing to keep in mind
Agreed! Simple spacing will get you most of the way there. You really need to step up from simple spacing tho against top players, since they too will space really well.
Latency is still consistent and I think all players should learn to space and fight against it. The issue of inconsistency mainly comes from dropped packets.
@@SleepMoover sometimes the extra range some weapons get cause of latency is insane. And u can't do stuff like parry the third r1 of a straight sword for example. This makes the gameplay inconsistent in my opinion.
Well done Amish. I'm so glad you went ahead and made the series for newcomers. It's much easier to learn this way. Shorter videos, to the point, but not glossing over the important things.
Thanks Sam. As you know it is difficult to strike the right balance - don’t be so brief that you miss important details while at the same time, don’t go into so much detail that newbies don’t get value.
Great video as always man, its nice to have someone show the newcomers around :) Oh and if you ever need someone for some test duels, or anything else really, id love to be of help.
After spending an entire day to research, i am so gladful that i found your channel, i have watched this and the part 1 and 2 of "how to git gud", which inspire me alot and also help me realize that i was using a weird keybind setup that make 1 of my moving directions being impossible to do while sprinting and i was too depending on the lock-on feature as well as being a blind-attacker as my hits usually not reaching my opponent possition while their hits hitting me all the time ( im actually having lacks of spacing and also timing and tactical skills, which make me feel kinda difficult to face even the casul r1 spammer ), so i think i shoulda put some effort into practicing untill i became good. Thank you for your wonderful videos also
@@iamamish The video itself is so good, the footages are at good quality, the movement/mechanic explanations are really clear and slowed down at necessary parts to make it easy to understand and your voice/accent is also very clear even to someone who has lacks of english skills like me. It was me the one who glad to find your video tho.
@@phamduongthanhlong46 yes! As you learn spacing & timing you'll probably play in a fairly reactive way - that is, your movements will be based exclusively on what you see your opponent do. However once you start *predicting* what your opponents will do, your game can go to the next level. For example, you can accomplish very impressive spacing when you're able to start a whiff punish before your opponent's attack has even started! Making reads and predicting your opponent's next moves is key. You can also learn BS fishing (especially in DS 3, less so in ER), and that will help you be more well rounded and also help exercise your prediction/read skills. If you aren't already, check out JeeNiNe's channel and his DS 3 videos. He's the best there is.
@@iamamish thanks for your advices. Also, i have watched some of JeeNiNe's videos, especially his "spacing and handling" video, hes so good at controlling crowd and i think i could learn from him.
Exactly what I was looking for, even with my focus on mage characters! Defense is what I need to learn first if I hope to stand a chance against players 1 on 1
I can't do the 0:20 moves, is look so smooth, when I try to do that I always get an Instability state, I hold space and press ← ↙ ↓ ↘ → ↗ , the second move (↙) after I started sprinting I become Instability
Great video as always, Amish! Whats about that spesific type of latency then your opponent sorta invincible or get some hits, but you get everything he throws at you? :) Sometimes he get all hits, but second later and have endless hyperarmor coz of that, but you take all hits immidiatly. I confuse about this type of latency coz it dosent looks like your opponent suffering from any effect of latency. He react normaly and can do predictions or actions on reaction but you cant predict what hit connect and what not.
That's less to do with latency and more to do with your opponent's dodgy connection. Chinese players (using VPNs) or players with really bad wifi are great examples of this. Even the best players will lose to these dudes. High latency fights will be predictable, if there's a consistent connection. The fight will be tough, but relatively fair.
I duel on the undead arena, so you don't know who is considered the host and invader, so spacing can either be super easy or you get hit from miles away, which really disrupts my play style. I always notice that spacing is easier as the invader, compared to in an undead arena match. Like, Glaives have a naturally deceptive range, but I still space them almost perfectly. Same for an UGS. Yet, in the arena, I can't space them. While invading, it's like they can't even hit me. It's weird how this game works sometimes.
I might be thinking about this incorrectly, but I am not sure how it would matter whether you are the host or not. Everything is always relative to the other player, so whether the world is yours or your enemy's, it should only matter for things in the world itself, like PVE (obviously not relevant during an arena duel). I've had problems with spacing but it is usually due to uneven terrain - do you experience the same thing in Round Plaza?
@@iamamish Most of the matches I remember are in the Round Plaza. I'm constantly out of range from many weapons and I either get hit or get stunned from the, UGS and Glaive stun hitbox.
Yupp, spacing is extremely important and latency sucks. I was hosting yesterday in gank city and had 3 laggy reds on my ass, couldn't get a proper read on spacing. So I ended up using my hyper armor to punish their wiff punish. And I won 😁
As an Australian, I'm use to latency that makes spacing borderline impossible. Finally fought another Australian and punishing whiffs was so easy to do. I really hope there are region locks in Elden Ring. The pvp is so much better when playing others in your own region.
People can get out of true combos if the latency is high enough you can't really adapt to that coz it just straight up breaks how the game is intended to function.
Best spacing move is estoc weopon art specially against big weopons when you pressure a poise player he always attack after he panic roll then the estoc weopon art become the strongest hit with leo ring.. Love ur videos ❤️
Hey I got a question and I know that I'm a little late for this but will still ask, how did you in your fight with Bob give yourself years and health like that? Is this a mod or CE, would like to know since me and my friends pvp and duel a lot so it would be fun to have something like this
So those were the fights against Kheim. It's a CE script, but I wasn't the one using it, and so I'm not sure exactly how it works. It's pretty common in private fight clubs, so hopefully somebody else can shed some light on it.
Try all you may you might just become the greatest DS player that ever lived but we all know the most humble and chiverly player is Iamamish and even if I knew nothing else about Iamamish that would be enough🥰
I started playing DS3 during quarentine and now I am really interested in PvP, but I'm playing from Brazil and in PS4... needless to say that if my opponent swings his weapon from a kilometer away I am dodge rolling to be safe
spacing pretty much like parry moment you miss it up you loss half your hp , same issue with parrying , also latency parry is nightmare too many time i hit parry and didn't work not because i make it to early but because of latency , and i also stopped with spacing anytime someone runs and try abuse spacing i just roll , if someone try roll catch me with two handed great sword or straight sword cancer phantom range i just use murkey hand scyle and side step it ,its like whats the F**Ken point of rolling if they catch you anyway cuz they abuse phantom range which imo its not skill at all nor abuse glitchs is a skill either
oohh.. spacING.. i misread the title. i came here see some space launches and exploration, particularly from the mighty launch pad that is the bkgs ;-)
Not all of us can be masters of the space launch like you - I still remember that video with like 7 launches in a row with the broken BKGS - good to see you mate!
You first have to determine what type of player you’re facing. Some will mindlessly swing when you’re in range. Your goal with them is to just trade. Those players are easy. The 2nd group are players aware of your hyper armor. They’re going to avoid trades. With these players you can just get in their face because they’ll be afraid to swing and trade. Getting in their face is how you pressure with an ultra. You can also try blocking with the weapon against small weapons that won’t break your guard if you accidentally get hit.
@@iamamish i see but what do i do Against a spear that only whiff punishes ? How do i counter that, literally all they do is running attack then follow up thrust and that takes away all ur health. How to deal with this
@@Ahicksaf you’re letting them whiff punish you which means you aren’t getting in their face. Do not swing when they approach because they could be baiting you. Instead YOU have to get in their face. You cannot play this passively as you will just get whiff punished. You need to be the aggressor.
@@iamamish i see would you recommend going in their face with a shield ? The Lothric Knight shield with ultra helped me back stab a lot and blocking Dex spammers.
@@Ahicksaf you want to 2H an ultra. I do not recommend 1h. If you’re newer to PvP then I advise dropping the ultra for now. They’re much harder to play with. I’d go with something like a shield and straight sword. Once you’ve got an understanding then move on to the 2H ultra. Good luck!
haha.. funny im here because it was due to iamamish's good spacing when i fought him that i googled "spacing ds3" and this was the top vid. and some rough attempts against solid pontiff gankers. im prob better than 90% of ppl in the game but realized that 1 weakness will get exploited and that someone that can 5-1 u out of a bo9 might be a smaller gap then u might expect weather it is a weakness against a certain weapon type and not dealing with it properly or being able to punish/space better than me as my conception of it is lacking. if u can address those weaknesses.. the tables could flip an u could 5-1 them because now u have those small advantages u can exploit that they don't know how to adjust to
@@iamamish yea i fought u (if u were bertrand russel) during amir's df playthrough.. u pulled out the offhand estoc and i was panic rolling into oblivion. ggs btw
@@im_cart8656 ahh gg mate, and yes that was me. If you've never faced somebody using a setup like that, it can be a rude awakening. It's hard to reaction roll, so you need to make reads on me, and anticipate when I'm likely to swing. Also, if I start pressuring you and doing the L1 waggles, start attacking me. You can also try to space out the estoc and bait whiffs that you can whiff punish.
@@iamamish to ur last point.. thats the goal. learn the spacing and such.. but man u were on my ass and my teammates were getting destroyed by w.e. insane tech amir has recently come up with. ds3 pvp again often reminds me of fighting games where the easier it is to predict someone the fight becomes so much easier as dealing with a flowchart player is much different then having 10+ different possible and only really being able to mentally prepare myself for 4-5 of them as u begin to feel overwhelmed. ur mental capacity gets taken up at that point so stressing about the few u can handle quite well fall to the wayside as your are too concerned about the ones u cant deal with... makes for a rough time i would have to think it is similar to some invades i do where i parry the same host 4-5x in a row without taking riposte or atking ever and they start the prostrate gesture... as they have already tried everything they are capable of (dont worry i usually bc out after giving them quite few embers.. i always respect the new player trying to get a win off an invader. but then again i get discouraged as basic things like pivot backstabs and rolling backstabs and the aforementioned spacing issues make ultra class weapons a real pain... worse so, is that at 500hrs in game i should be able to do all of these things
@@im_cart8656 absolutely true. I need to talk more about this. As you get roll caught the panic impulse gets stronger and your ability to react properly diminishes. You can see this with my fights with players like Gabri.
Skip the player A and player B... it's so confusing if you get lost in all that. my suggestion is to talk to the videwer directly... use "you" and "me". "Im hitting you" "you are rolling"... etc
Honestly I'm way too aggressive for spacing my opponent's attacks. It just sort of seems like passive play to me. It's boring to me. I like it when both people are aggressive. It certainly Beats waiting for each other to swing 1st only for it to like never happened, & you wasted 2 minutes in the arena. Spacing is just a fancy way of saying "which one of these 2 assholes has more patience" it's just waiting for one guy to lose his patience for him to attack 1st then for you to counter attack it. Feelsbadman.
If you try mindless aggression against anyone good they are going to destroy you. That said I agree to an extent - you still want to attack outside of just whiff punishes. If you only try to whiff punish your opponent can take advantage of you by being more aggressive and just ensuring you have to roll to avoid the attack. You absolutely have to space, but that shouldn’t be a synonym for passivity.
@@iamamish I understand. I don't become a mindless ghoul when fighting, I do what every other average player does. I just don't like passive play which seems to be a lot of what people do in the arena. That or are just extremely laggy. I play a pyromancer you see, just a long sword in hand as well as The Parting pyromancy flame. I usually swing an R1 on purpose knowing that they're nowhere near me only to bait out an attack in exchange I ready up a black Flame or bed vestiges for when they come to punish me. It works a lot of the time. Surprisingly. Although I do understand what you mean. You are correct. Out spacing is not the same as being passive. It's just I think Dark Souls pvp has a massive passive play Problem. Most people just don't seem to swing unless you do 1st. That's probably why I'm switching to invasion. Much more aggressiveness out there, compared to the arena. Although I don't really have to worry about people running considering flame surge is very good at chasing down. Or just armor of thorns.
@@NPC-dc9so yeah I know a lot of fighting game aficionados point to games like Tekken and SF where if you're too passive, you can get backed into the corner, which is a bad place to be. The game punishes overly passive play. DS 3 unfortunately does not adequately punish passive play.
Special thanks to Kheim and MightBeBob - links to their respective Twitch/YT channels in the description.
Bob is gone amish :(
@@xdd782 The King is gone but he's not forgotten
I've always found the easiest way to visualize the latency aspect of spacing is to think of a shadow image of my character that copies all my movements but is delayed by a fraction of a second. My attacks still come from my 'real' position, but the part of me that can get hit is following my character. The same is true for my opponent, but since what I see is their shadow's position I can expect their attacks to come from ahead of where they are moving. I hope I explained that well.
That is a perfect metaphor, and one I wished I'd thought of. The higher the latency, the longer your shadow hangs behind you.
That was very interesting
You're putting your 3rd eye to good use.
Like phase 2 Pontiff
I’m so good at spacing I even do it in class
I think that failing to understand that I can phase through their weapon while I am moving towards them is probably my biggest weakness right now. I'm a rather experienced player, tons of PvP experience, but since I haven't really been taught these things apparently there's still a lot that's going to be news to me!
Thanks for making this series!
Trust me, it makes a world of difference. Once you understand the whole "phasing through weapons" thing, you'll be able to pressure your opponents much more. Plus, you'll become better at avoiding damage, because you'll now be aware of the fact that your opponent can do similar things.
Just remember that this only works with high latency.
S P A T E N C Y. This is amazing and something I haven’t seen many people cover. Learning how to space in 2020 is understanding latency lol. Good video!
This video makes so much sense having seen your last video, I usually invade at SL 90 with my claymor and I trust in my hyperamer too much to make exchanges, now that I am invading in SL 25 and I don't have a hyperarmer weapon, I see myself making the mistake of trading blows with greatswords, and I'm relearning a lot about spacing. This video will be super useful to me. thanks
Indeed man .. if u got good spacing u can beat probably the best players .. some people as soon as they start a game they go for the fancy stuff, but what i always do when ever i start any new game is to know my spacing .. specially of a game has like different version of swords ⚔️ .. as always bro useful content 👍
Totally agree - in a lot of fighting games, people want to learn the fancy combos but they're better served learning to space properly.
What a true gem. You're helping newcomers improve at a much a faster rate. This will only make the community stronger with he appearence of new high level players. Can't thank you enough for these videos. I want to support your channel.
My guy, I’m just watching this series now, it’s slowly but surely helping me out. I’m absolutely amazing at PvE yet slightly below average at PvP. The detail you put into your advice is amazing, really..thank you.
Glad to read that, thanks mate.
yo dude, thanks for making these videos. i know the game has been slower since release but i've learned a lot and put your advice to good use.
That tutorial was fantastic. I also enjoyed the extra spacing between the letters in the title.
Great vid bro
Really appreciate this series Amish, I learnt the basics from watching streamers but it's far more in-depth hearing the mechanics of it explained like this!
This is an excellent video. I'm glad that you placed a lot of emphasis on the impact of latency, because it really does change the game. Also, that clip at 5:30 was a great example. Once I understood stuff like this, it made me a much better player.
Anyway, I haven't played the game or posted on Reddit in like 9 months. I see YT vids pop up and I'm tempted to re-install the game, but I just can't bring myself to it. Best I stay away, for my own health.
i should hold my weapon's range instead of opposite's.
When his weapon is fast as estoc or curvedsword, I should predict his moving and attack first.
Dang amish you always make DS3 PvP sound and look so exciting
Is interesting to add that there is a way to out-space attacks while moving backwards, and avoid "phantom range".
If the relative distance between the two players doesn´t change for a given amount of time (small but hard to quantify) there is a pseudo-synchronization and attacks tend to respect their original hitbox sizes.
You can start running backwards when you read a running attack, and if this "sync time" goes by before you se your opponent attack, you can trust the animation on your screen and try to whiff punish it.
Of course as amish said this time is a function of latency, and hence it´s variable. But there's an "average" time that is safe in most cases, and using a shield while trying to figure it out it is advised.
As a rule of thumb it goes like this: -If you're moving forward, trust the animation. -If you're moving backwards, be aware of changes in distance. -If you're strafing/moving diagonal then roll.
When i finally understood the concept of spacing in PvP it just opened up a whole new world. My timing and reads got way better and I started winning alot more. It's probably the single most important thing to keep in mind
Agreed! Simple spacing will get you most of the way there. You really need to step up from simple spacing tho against top players, since they too will space really well.
Guys remember, when there is high latency. Roll almost every attack cause they are inconsistent and don't go for parryies.
This exactly. Reminds me of sillydog's video on how the two way hit check works in ds3.
Latency is still consistent and I think all players should learn to space and fight against it. The issue of inconsistency mainly comes from dropped packets.
@@SleepMoover sometimes the extra range some weapons get cause of latency is insane. And u can't do stuff like parry the third r1 of a straight sword for example. This makes the gameplay inconsistent in my opinion.
MightBeBob will not be forgotten . .
I never fully understood the scope of how skilled people like you are, until you showcased the bit by bit playback at 0:24
Well done Amish. I'm so glad you went ahead and made the series for newcomers. It's much easier to learn this way. Shorter videos, to the point, but not glossing over the important things.
Thanks Sam. As you know it is difficult to strike the right balance - don’t be so brief that you miss important details while at the same time, don’t go into so much detail that newbies don’t get value.
Great video as always man, its nice to have someone show the newcomers around :)
Oh and if you ever need someone for some test duels, or anything else really, id love to be of help.
Dude. I love this series idea! MORE!
After spending an entire day to research, i am so gladful that i found your channel, i have watched this and the part 1 and 2 of "how to git gud", which inspire me alot and also help me realize that i was using a weird keybind setup that make 1 of my moving directions being impossible to do while sprinting and i was too depending on the lock-on feature as well as being a blind-attacker as my hits usually not reaching my opponent possition while their hits hitting me all the time ( im actually having lacks of spacing and also timing and tactical skills, which make me feel kinda difficult to face even the casul r1 spammer ), so i think i shoulda put some effort into practicing untill i became good. Thank you for your wonderful videos also
Glad to see you found value in my videos! Thanks for the feedback.
@@iamamish The video itself is so good, the footages are at good quality, the movement/mechanic explanations are really clear and slowed down at necessary parts to make it easy to understand and your voice/accent is also very clear even to someone who has lacks of english skills like me. It was me the one who glad to find your video tho.
@@iamamish also do u have any suggestion about what should i learn next after i get to an above-average level of mastery for those spacing skills
@@phamduongthanhlong46 yes! As you learn spacing & timing you'll probably play in a fairly reactive way - that is, your movements will be based exclusively on what you see your opponent do.
However once you start *predicting* what your opponents will do, your game can go to the next level. For example, you can accomplish very impressive spacing when you're able to start a whiff punish before your opponent's attack has even started!
Making reads and predicting your opponent's next moves is key. You can also learn BS fishing (especially in DS 3, less so in ER), and that will help you be more well rounded and also help exercise your prediction/read skills.
If you aren't already, check out JeeNiNe's channel and his DS 3 videos. He's the best there is.
@@iamamish thanks for your advices. Also, i have watched some of JeeNiNe's videos, especially his "spacing and handling" video, hes so good at controlling crowd and i think i could learn from him.
Excellent overview
Amish man I really hope this helps the newcomers to this game. May it create new, better co-invaders!
Dude what a video! YOU DA BOSS
awesome video as usual! this kind of content is invaluable to new players and vets alike. the basics must be routinely polished.
Thanks! I hope some new players find value in it.
Exactly what I was looking for, even with my focus on mage characters!
Defense is what I need to learn first if I hope to stand a chance against players 1 on 1
I use Corvian Great Scythe and was able to completely stand out of range of a Lothric Great Sword R2 and punish with 2 R1s
I can't do the 0:20 moves, is look so smooth, when I try to do that I always get an Instability state, I hold space and press ← ↙ ↓ ↘ → ↗ , the second move (↙) after I started sprinting I become Instability
spacing and rollcatches are the most useful things in PvP
Thanks man! Are you still doing the viewer submitted invasions series?
Thanks a lot. Great video.
I'd love to see your take in a match-ups vid. I'm enjoying the content and learning ever so more from these videos. Thanks mate, keep up the work!
I neglected to mention it, but that's actually one of my next videos - when to use which weapons, and why. Thanks for the suggestion!
The way you walked through that second UGS R1 blew my mind. I’m trying to learn to space but it seems pretty hard to do with latency 😂
yeah there is really no substitute for trying to assess latency and then how much you can get away with, and getting hit a bunch in the process.
@@iamamish I think you’re right! Sounds like I just need to go out into the wild and let people hit me until things start clicking lol.
3:14 don't swing your greatsword R1 unless you're sure it's going to land, use the R2 more often.
I was spamming to make a video, that's not how I play GS :D
Great video as always, Amish! Whats about that spesific type of latency then your opponent sorta invincible or get some hits, but you get everything he throws at you? :) Sometimes he get all hits, but second later and have endless hyperarmor coz of that, but you take all hits immidiatly. I confuse about this type of latency coz it dosent looks like your opponent suffering from any effect of latency. He react normaly and can do predictions or actions on reaction but you cant predict what hit connect and what not.
That's less to do with latency and more to do with your opponent's dodgy connection. Chinese players (using VPNs) or players with really bad wifi are great examples of this. Even the best players will lose to these dudes.
High latency fights will be predictable, if there's a consistent connection. The fight will be tough, but relatively fair.
Excellent video bro! Can you please make more videos about spacing? My main problem is that I'm always late and i miss
I'm not sure what else I would cover - I can do more but I need to know what sorts of things you'd want to learn. Thanks for the kind words!
This was really good!!! I’m finally starting to get spacing down but I’m a way off
What is the name of the ethereal music starting at 1:02?
I duel on the undead arena, so you don't know who is considered the host and invader, so spacing can either be super easy or you get hit from miles away, which really disrupts my play style. I always notice that spacing is easier as the invader, compared to in an undead arena match. Like, Glaives have a naturally deceptive range, but I still space them almost perfectly. Same for an UGS. Yet, in the arena, I can't space them. While invading, it's like they can't even hit me. It's weird how this game works sometimes.
I might be thinking about this incorrectly, but I am not sure how it would matter whether you are the host or not. Everything is always relative to the other player, so whether the world is yours or your enemy's, it should only matter for things in the world itself, like PVE (obviously not relevant during an arena duel).
I've had problems with spacing but it is usually due to uneven terrain - do you experience the same thing in Round Plaza?
@@iamamish Most of the matches I remember are in the Round Plaza. I'm constantly out of range from many weapons and I either get hit or get stunned from the, UGS and Glaive stun hitbox.
Yupp, spacing is extremely important and latency sucks.
I was hosting yesterday in gank city and had 3 laggy reds on my ass, couldn't get a proper read on spacing. So I ended up using my hyper armor to punish their wiff punish. And I won 😁
Play unlocked swing behind you and bait their attack
As an Australian, I'm use to latency that makes spacing borderline impossible. Finally fought another Australian and punishing whiffs was so easy to do. I really hope there are region locks in Elden Ring. The pvp is so much better when playing others in your own region.
People can get out of true combos if the latency is high enough you can't really adapt to that coz it just straight up breaks how the game is intended to function.
Yeah when the latency is high enough it does break the game. Also lag (packet drop) breaks the game in unpredictable ways.
My connection sucks, I get some good days but man it seems when I invade it’s against someone in South America or freakin China
Best spacing move is estoc weopon art specially against big weopons when you pressure a poise player he always attack after he panic roll then the estoc weopon art become the strongest hit with leo ring.. Love ur videos ❤️
Hey Dengrof, I love watching your estoc play, it's so tight and stylish, yet efficient.
@@iamamish thnx ❤️
Hey I got a question and I know that I'm a little late for this but will still ask, how did you in your fight with Bob give yourself years and health like that? Is this a mod or CE, would like to know since me and my friends pvp and duel a lot so it would be fun to have something like this
So those were the fights against Kheim. It's a CE script, but I wasn't the one using it, and so I'm not sure exactly how it works. It's pretty common in private fight clubs, so hopefully somebody else can shed some light on it.
@@iamamish I'll have to do some research then, thanks though, every little bit can help me find it. Have a good one bro
Not a single astronaut or rocket ship 0/10
Try all you may you might just become the greatest DS player that ever lived but we all know the most humble and chiverly player is Iamamish and even if I knew nothing else about Iamamish that would be enough🥰
I wonder what Demon Souls PVP will be like on PS5...
I learned spacing from doing pve and having to kill friede haha
Круто. Как всегда.
Good vid
i might have over 700 hours played but hell, if i don't watch amish's begginer's guide to spacing then what am i doing? nice vid as always amish.
This
I started playing DS3 during quarentine and now I am really interested in PvP, but I'm playing from Brazil and in PS4... needless to say that if my opponent swings his weapon from a kilometer away I am dodge rolling to be safe
Haha well we can't always help our internet and infrastructure. Good luck!
spacing pretty much like parry moment you miss it up you loss half your hp , same issue with parrying , also latency parry is nightmare too many time i hit parry and didn't work not because i make it to early but because of latency , and i also stopped with spacing anytime someone runs and try abuse spacing i just roll , if someone try roll catch me with two handed great sword or straight sword cancer phantom range i just use murkey hand scyle and side step it ,its like whats the F**Ken point of rolling if they catch you anyway cuz they abuse phantom range which imo its not skill at all nor abuse glitchs is a skill either
If you need help with the hyperarmor vid i would love to help especialy if youre gonna do a part about dual wield.combos with hyperarmor im your man
oohh.. spacING.. i misread the title. i came here see some space launches and exploration, particularly from the mighty launch pad that is the bkgs ;-)
Not all of us can be masters of the space launch like you - I still remember that video with like 7 launches in a row with the broken BKGS - good to see you mate!
For anyone who hasn't seen this masterpiece: th-cam.com/video/_MP3Mg_Ief4/w-d-xo.html
thanks for the S.O., amish!! let's face it, tho- that castleinthesky guy was bound to get himself perish'd ;-)
(just kidding, castle! i
@@NineMillyKitty You're still launching people to space?! Lol
@@Bdubzs - nah, i send some sputniks into orbit maybe once every couple of months these days :-) how u been, man!?!?!?
Ha-HA! With this new knowledge, I will rise to the top of the PvP scene and acquire numerous internet points! Mwahahahaha!
Can teach me how to pressure with my hyperarmor ? I am a ultra great sword user
You first have to determine what type of player you’re facing. Some will mindlessly swing when you’re in range. Your goal with them is to just trade. Those players are easy.
The 2nd group are players aware of your hyper armor. They’re going to avoid trades. With these players you can just get in their face because they’ll be afraid to swing and trade.
Getting in their face is how you pressure with an ultra. You can also try blocking with the weapon against small weapons that won’t break your guard if you accidentally get hit.
@@iamamish i see but what do i do Against a spear that only whiff punishes ? How do i counter that, literally all they do is running attack then follow up thrust and that takes away all ur health. How to deal with this
@@Ahicksaf you’re letting them whiff punish you which means you aren’t getting in their face. Do not swing when they approach because they could be baiting you.
Instead YOU have to get in their face. You cannot play this passively as you will just get whiff punished. You need to be the aggressor.
@@iamamish i see would you recommend going in their face with a shield ? The Lothric Knight shield with ultra helped me back stab a lot and blocking Dex spammers.
@@Ahicksaf you want to 2H an ultra. I do not recommend 1h. If you’re newer to PvP then I advise dropping the ultra for now. They’re much harder to play with. I’d go with something like a shield and straight sword. Once you’ve got an understanding then move on to the 2H ultra. Good luck!
haha.. funny im here because it was due to iamamish's good spacing when i fought him that i googled "spacing ds3" and this was the top vid. and some rough attempts against solid pontiff gankers. im prob better than 90% of ppl in the game but realized that 1 weakness will get exploited and that someone that can 5-1 u out of a bo9 might be a smaller gap then u might expect weather it is a weakness against a certain weapon type and not dealing with it properly or being able to punish/space better than me as my conception of it is lacking.
if u can address those weaknesses.. the tables could flip an u could 5-1 them because now u have those small advantages u can exploit that they don't know how to adjust to
Hey I totally agree with your analysis. A big part of getting better is understanding how you’re being outplayed and make those adjustments.
@@iamamish yea i fought u (if u were bertrand russel) during amir's df playthrough.. u pulled out the offhand estoc and i was panic rolling into oblivion. ggs btw
@@im_cart8656 ahh gg mate, and yes that was me.
If you've never faced somebody using a setup like that, it can be a rude awakening. It's hard to reaction roll, so you need to make reads on me, and anticipate when I'm likely to swing. Also, if I start pressuring you and doing the L1 waggles, start attacking me.
You can also try to space out the estoc and bait whiffs that you can whiff punish.
@@iamamish
to ur last point.. thats the goal. learn the spacing and such.. but man u were on my ass and my teammates were getting destroyed by w.e. insane tech amir has recently come up with.
ds3 pvp again often reminds me of fighting games where the easier it is to predict someone the fight becomes so much easier as dealing with a flowchart player is much different then having 10+ different possible and only really being able to mentally prepare myself for 4-5 of them as u begin to feel overwhelmed. ur mental capacity gets taken up at that point so stressing about the few u can handle quite well fall to the wayside as your are too concerned about the ones u cant deal with... makes for a rough time
i would have to think it is similar to some invades i do where i parry the same host 4-5x in a row without taking riposte or atking ever and they start the prostrate gesture... as they have already tried everything they are capable of (dont worry i usually bc out after giving them quite few embers.. i always respect the new player trying to get a win off an invader.
but then again i get discouraged as basic things like pivot backstabs and rolling backstabs and the aforementioned spacing issues make ultra class weapons a real pain... worse so, is that at 500hrs in game i should be able to do all of these things
@@im_cart8656 absolutely true. I need to talk more about this. As you get roll caught the panic impulse gets stronger and your ability to react properly diminishes. You can see this with my fights with players like Gabri.
Gud
Except none of this matters because of Phantom Range
Can’t spell spacing without Bdubz
I was thinking about that earlier today - I asked myself, "who have I fought with the best spacing?" and it has to be Bdubzs.
here's a tip for the new players.
DON'T SPACE LATENT PLAYERS, just use murky against them
and projected heal
@@iamamish and dark blade
Hate to break it to y’all but I’ve already moved on from ds3 to smash bros. Anyway see ya in elden ri... oh wait...
Hey Amish, I’ve been trying to contact you to get a duel session, if you’re up for it reply to me on discord
Skip the player A and player B... it's so confusing if you get lost in all that. my suggestion is to talk to the videwer directly... use "you" and "me". "Im hitting you" "you are rolling"... etc
really good video tho :) i really liked it
Honestly I'm way too aggressive for spacing my opponent's attacks. It just sort of seems like passive play to me. It's boring to me. I like it when both people are aggressive.
It certainly Beats waiting for each other to swing 1st only for it to like never happened, & you wasted 2 minutes in the arena.
Spacing is just a fancy way of saying "which one of these 2 assholes has more patience" it's just waiting for one guy to lose his patience for him to attack 1st then for you to counter attack it. Feelsbadman.
If you try mindless aggression against anyone good they are going to destroy you.
That said I agree to an extent - you still want to attack outside of just whiff punishes.
If you only try to whiff punish your opponent can take advantage of you by being more aggressive and just ensuring you have to roll to avoid the attack.
You absolutely have to space, but that shouldn’t be a synonym for passivity.
@@iamamish I understand. I don't become a mindless ghoul when fighting, I do what every other average player does. I just don't like passive play which seems to be a lot of what people do in the arena. That or are just extremely laggy.
I play a pyromancer you see, just a long sword in hand as well as The Parting pyromancy flame. I usually swing an R1 on purpose knowing that they're nowhere near me only to bait out an attack in exchange I ready up a black Flame or bed vestiges for when they come to punish me.
It works a lot of the time. Surprisingly. Although I do understand what you mean. You are correct. Out spacing is not the same as being passive.
It's just I think Dark Souls pvp has a massive passive play Problem. Most people just don't seem to swing unless you do 1st.
That's probably why I'm switching to invasion. Much more aggressiveness out there, compared to the arena. Although I don't really have to worry about people running considering flame surge is very good at chasing down.
Or just armor of thorns.
@@NPC-dc9so yeah I know a lot of fighting game aficionados point to games like Tekken and SF where if you're too passive, you can get backed into the corner, which is a bad place to be. The game punishes overly passive play. DS 3 unfortunately does not adequately punish passive play.