I finally get it that I don't need to wait and wait for the "shift, awakening, clarity, Self, That, 2nd coming of Jesus, Heaven, etc" Whew, I just am and this just is - and it's OK just as it is - WHEW! Thanks everyone who already know this simple fact.......love you!
Great...and I can whittle it down to just a few important moments, when seeing made the biggest impact for me....when John summarises where all the pointers are pointing to: "The fact of your being". John's pointing is the simplest I have ever come upon...pointing always to the same unavoidable fact of experience that is here always and you can never even for one moment leave....your existence or awareness. Eternal fulfilment for all time lies there, and theres is nothing beyond it to get. :)
Normally I am a little bit allergic at these "talking about nothing". And so strange to me, I loved this gathering. So thank you very so much Bob, John and Richard. Very, very good!
This recording is a precious gem, seeing Sailor Bob and John Wheeler together. John offers some of the best, clearest writings on Non-Duality and Sailor Bob, a direct 'disciple' of Sri Nisargadatta, is one of the best, clearest teachers of Reality/Advaita. I also highly recommend John's 9/4/2005 radio interview with Allin Taylor - it is magical.
+Brad Stephan - As they noted above, it's www.sailorbobadamson.com/ Also lots of free videos to watch on it, too, at www.sailorbobadamson.com/videos - a lot are already on youtube, but I'm not sure if they all are... or at least it's easier to find them all in a "clump" this way. Onward! Other good John Wheeler stuff on youtube, too, but you probably already know that
"And at that point, the bell sounded in the pointed steeple and all the points on the tops of all the buildings in the whole Land of Point began to melt, and at that point, the points on the tops of the heads of all the people in the whole Land of Point began to melt.".. th-cam.com/video/KrhpM-5HKaE/w-d-xo.html Thank you as always dear Bob and thank you John! ❤🙏
At around 27 mins into the video the discussion is about the notion of being a 'sinner.' The sin - if that word makes sense at all - consists in maintaining the concept of being a separte individual. By emphasizing that we are sinners the belief in the ego-concept is actuallally reinforced. In the German language, 'suende' (sin) and 'sondern' (separation) have the same origin. It is amazing that in the name of religion such a notion is promoted.
Even when a dharma talk of the highest order is presented, with it being on TH-cam there will be the good ole “pearls before swine” phenomenon. Could be why monasteries didn’t make it easy for aspirants to gain access. Why throw seeds on sterile ground.
Richard mentioned about those people who talk of awakenings. I'm one of them. I have "experienced" higher states of consciousness (no other way to say it.) Once in 1991 through a mirror meditation (suggested by Ram Dass.) My physical body was saturated in Bliss. And I recognized that state totally. Every cell of my body was Love. Then last year a different situation which may be more like what you're talking about. I was in the body, my senses were in tact, but I was apart from them.
1:11:54 About the pointers as concepts, I remembered a joke I had heard a long time ago. The teacher points a finger at the moon, some people look at the finger and criticize it, say it is short, stubby and bent. Others take the finger and put it in their eyes and blind themselves. Only a few actually look at the moon.
I could be able to experience what you're reporting every moment, just because I've ever had no "tremendous" experience to be attached to. You're putting memory in front of your permanent state in this. Your memory tells you a story of great experiences, but all this is very subtle. And when you notice this subtlety, it is not subtle, but the only thing, neither subtle nor non-subtle. This is not experience, it's beyond experience.
Well, yeah the sages do say, "...you are what you seek" but then they turn around and give you fancy yogic practices which in essence completely contradicts what they just said! I can think of a few "sages" of today who do just that! Thank you though this is probably the best pointing out that I've heard in a long time.
"A concept of my self is part of my definition, part of what I am. Humans are creatures that have selves of which they are aware. Humans are self-aware; they are conscious. From here, we can leap to the conjecture that concepts that are true of themselves are conscious beings. Therefore, existence, being true of itself, is a conscious being. It may look to us like a mere idea, concept, or property, but it is more than that. It is a being, and it is conscious, just as I am a conscious being.."
....even if there is "no recognition" and "awakening" it's all ONE....sailor bob, john wheeler and YOU reading this, is all the same ONE....it's all there is. Whether framed by concepts, or not, described or not, spiritual state or not, its all ONE. A "problem" comes from advertising these videos as "sailor bob" with a "john wheeler"....no such thing because it's all ONE, that IS the pointer...."you" are THAT....not simple, because no "one" exists....far from simple, hard to accept...
Some New Age people suggested that I had experienced self as All and Nothing. The second one was like a feeling of invincibility, fearlessness because you know the world isn't real.. but there's no God in it. :( The prior experience was as if God walked through me.. I could sit still like that forever (my body could not handle it for long.) Anyway the bad part is that I am not happy because I want those experiences again!! >__
As Tony Parsons says in his meetings,"this is the worst place for a seeker to be because nothing is being offered to her". Your impatience is itself an indication that you are speaking from the point of view of the seeker seeking for "food for thought".. I suggest you take up one of the great monotheisms within which there is much food for thought but alas little prospect of liberation.
....there is nobody here or there who can possibly "point," It's language confusing things by the ONE...there is no "computer-photo shop" we are not and cannot possibly be "lost souls." There is no simple or hard, shift or recognition, it's all ONE....the carrot, the stick is the same ONE. The mind, the "duality," the misunderstanding, the imagination is all ONE....why oh why do they all talk are IF they are sailor bob and john wheeler...the ONE keeps playing...
That's a curious comment... I wonder why you would say that...? I notice from your other comments on videos that you're not normally insulting and aggressive... Would be interested to know what made you say this. Thanks!
dude, its the bloke who positioned the camera at fault... presenter shouldn't have to change his natural style because of technical shortcomings... And why are you shouting?! bless you too!
It was irony. The guy's probably on some trip of his own, but he's also saying something that is to some extent true: what John Wheeler is talking about IS obvious, and it CANNOT be communicated (only "pointed at"). And, in a certain sense, the search IS pointless. (Remember those stories about Zen masters and the like waking up and "forgetting about Zen and all that", or chucking away their Buddhist books.)
of course if you use your mind for this then you should be bored before 16 minutes are up at least..this isn't a mind job...thus your boredom, CosmicSeer33
Oh god, my brain is self imploding... Am I on a different planet or have I lost the plot once & for all? - "Pointers, pointers, blah blah.. You are the truth of what you are.. what it is.. where it is.." It might be clear to you pal but you just confused me! Give my brain a rest pleaseeeee. Once Is enough, yep, don't need 2 hear all that again mate, you're probably a highly evolved life form & a very cool humanoid but I've just got a brain ache & ive had quite enough of listening to your preamble lol. "so that's why the meetings go on? - WTF? Put my mate Sailor back on pleaseeeeee.
This video is just a waste of time. Bob and John complicate something that is very simple. Better watch Tony Parsons videos and at the same time have fun.
Pointer, pointer, pointer, pointless video. After 16 minutes I've lost interest. A quarter of an hour of my life wasted listening to a man stating the obvious and failing to conmunicate anything of any sugnificence.
I finally get it that I don't need to wait and wait for the "shift, awakening, clarity, Self, That, 2nd coming of Jesus, Heaven, etc" Whew, I just am and this just is - and it's OK just as it is - WHEW! Thanks everyone who already know this simple fact.......love you!
yesss. this
Very much appreciated this satsang. Several very clear pointers. Thank you!
So helpful, such a relief ❤
Wow, wow, wow, Only in 13 and a half minutes, but it's already been immensely valuable to me. Thanks so much for putting this video up!
Great...and I can whittle it down to just a few important moments, when seeing made the biggest impact for me....when John summarises where all the pointers are pointing to: "The fact of your being". John's pointing is the simplest I have ever come upon...pointing always to the same unavoidable fact of experience that is here always and you can never even for one moment leave....your existence or awareness. Eternal fulfilment for all time lies there, and theres is nothing beyond it to get. :)
'you don't need anything to be what you already are' wow
so simple, so clear, eternally present. thank you for reminding me who I am.
A conversation about the oneness by the oneness expressing the aspects of itself in the realization moment x❤❤❤
Normally I am a little bit allergic at these "talking about nothing". And so strange to me, I loved this gathering. So thank you very so much Bob, John and Richard. Very, very good!
Amazing clarity! Very helpful
This recording is a precious gem, seeing Sailor Bob and John Wheeler together. John offers some of the best, clearest writings on Non-Duality and Sailor Bob, a direct 'disciple' of Sri Nisargadatta, is one of the best, clearest teachers of Reality/Advaita. I also highly recommend John's 9/4/2005 radio interview with Allin Taylor - it is magical.
+Brad Stephan
do you know if John Wheeler is still teaching?
+John Adams I don't know. His website has been shut down, so I presume not. It's too bad, but I hope all is well with him.
+John Adams Actually his website is still there, I just checked - with meeting times and dates listed, so I guess he's alive and well!
+Stephanie Martin What is that website?
+Brad Stephan - As they noted above, it's www.sailorbobadamson.com/ Also lots of free videos to watch on it, too, at www.sailorbobadamson.com/videos - a lot are already on youtube, but I'm not sure if they all are... or at least it's easier to find them all in a "clump" this way. Onward! Other good John Wheeler stuff on youtube, too, but you probably already know that
Beautiful , Thanks in spades for this video
Thank you lady. It does help❤
“How far are you from here” Woow!
"And at that point, the bell sounded in the pointed steeple and all the points on the tops of all the buildings in the whole Land of Point began to melt, and at that point, the points on the tops of the heads of all the people in the whole Land of Point began to melt.".. th-cam.com/video/KrhpM-5HKaE/w-d-xo.html
Thank you as always dear Bob and thank you John! ❤🙏
seems like a very kind man
At around 27 mins into the video the discussion is about the notion of being a 'sinner.' The sin - if that word makes sense at all - consists in maintaining the concept of being a separte individual. By emphasizing that we are sinners the belief in the ego-concept is actuallally reinforced. In the German language, 'suende' (sin) and 'sondern' (separation) have the same origin. It is amazing that in the name of religion such a notion is promoted.
Wonderful presentation. Great questions. Thanks.
I heard one lady put it this way “ it’s like falling off a log.” “Effortless”.
amazing
Even when a dharma talk of the highest order is presented, with it being on TH-cam there will be the good ole “pearls before swine” phenomenon.
Could be why monasteries didn’t make it easy for aspirants to gain access. Why throw seeds on sterile ground.
Richard mentioned about those people who talk of awakenings. I'm one of them. I have "experienced" higher states of consciousness (no other way to say it.) Once in 1991 through a mirror meditation (suggested by Ram Dass.) My physical body was saturated in Bliss. And I recognized that state totally. Every cell of my body was Love. Then last year a different situation which may be more like what you're talking about. I was in the body, my senses were in tact, but I was apart from them.
1:11:54 About the pointers as concepts, I remembered a joke I had heard a long time ago.
The teacher points a finger at the moon, some people look at the finger and criticize it, say it is short, stubby and bent.
Others take the finger and put it in their eyes and blind themselves.
Only a few actually look at the moon.
John Wheeler. Love him, I do!
I could be able to experience what you're reporting every moment, just because I've ever had no "tremendous" experience to be attached to. You're putting memory in front of your permanent state in this. Your memory tells you a story of great experiences, but all this is very subtle. And when you notice this subtlety, it is not subtle, but the only thing, neither subtle nor non-subtle. This is not experience, it's beyond experience.
Well, yeah the sages do say, "...you are what you seek" but then they turn around and give you fancy yogic practices which in essence completely contradicts what they just said! I can think of a few "sages" of today who do just that! Thank you though this is probably the best pointing out that I've heard in a long time.
Love this. 🙏💞
"A concept of my self is part of my definition, part of what I am. Humans are creatures that have selves of which they are aware. Humans are self-aware; they are conscious.
From here, we can leap to the conjecture that concepts that are true of themselves are conscious beings. Therefore, existence, being true of itself, is a conscious being. It may look to us like a mere idea, concept, or property, but it is more than that. It is a being, and it is conscious, just as I am a conscious being.."
"watching less and less can be enlightened", as said in one translation of Tao Te Ching
Awesome.
....even if there is "no recognition" and "awakening" it's all ONE....sailor bob, john wheeler and YOU reading this, is all the same ONE....it's all there is. Whether framed by concepts, or not, described or not, spiritual state or not, its all ONE. A "problem" comes from advertising these videos as "sailor bob" with a "john wheeler"....no such thing because it's all ONE, that IS the pointer...."you" are THAT....not simple, because no "one" exists....far from simple, hard to accept...
One eye, owl ..? Lol you are confusing your ego
deep voice guy is that the never not here bloke ?
The Alan Watts TH-cam Tat tvam asi clears up nicely the woman's confusions around 1:16
There is a shift, ask Ramana Maharshi.
Some New Age people suggested that I had experienced self as All and Nothing. The second one was like a feeling of invincibility, fearlessness because you know the world isn't real.. but there's no God in it. :( The prior experience was as if God walked through me.. I could sit still like that forever (my body could not handle it for long.) Anyway the bad part is that I am not happy because I want those experiences again!! >__
how about this - if it's not ever present it's not worth having
As Tony Parsons says in his meetings,"this is the worst place for a seeker to be because nothing is being offered to her". Your impatience is itself an indication that you are speaking from the point of view of the seeker seeking for "food for thought".. I suggest you take up one of the great monotheisms within which there is much food for thought but alas little prospect of liberation.
16:26 :'Never Not Here' Dude sighting LOL!
How can I phone up john wheeler please please please
Try Isaac Shapiro or Vishrant.
They are both teaching 🙏
....there is nobody here or there who can possibly "point," It's language confusing things by the ONE...there is no "computer-photo shop" we are not and cannot possibly be "lost souls." There is no simple or hard, shift or recognition, it's all ONE....the carrot, the stick is the same ONE. The mind, the "duality," the misunderstanding, the imagination is all ONE....why oh why do they all talk are IF they are sailor bob and john wheeler...the ONE keeps playing...
Where can I get more videos or audios of John Wheeler please?
What's Wheeler up to? Seems like his books aren't being published anymore either. Did something happen?
That's a curious comment... I wonder why you would say that...? I notice from your other comments on videos that you're not normally insulting and aggressive... Would be interested to know what made you say this. Thanks!
Sailor Bob looks a little like Marlon Brando.
dude, its the bloke who positioned the camera at fault... presenter shouldn't have to change his natural style because of technical shortcomings... And why are you shouting?! bless you too!
It was irony. The guy's probably on some trip of his own, but he's also saying something that is to some extent true: what John Wheeler is talking about IS obvious, and it CANNOT be communicated (only "pointed at"). And, in a certain sense, the search IS pointless. (Remember those stories about Zen masters and the like waking up and "forgetting about Zen and all that", or chucking away their Buddhist books.)
Hehe, I see what you did there :)
Double talk
Yeah, god. Fuckin unbearable. He was alright at first. He seemed pretty cool. But fuck...
of course if you use your mind for this then you should be bored before 16 minutes are up at least..this isn't a mind job...thus your boredom, CosmicSeer33
Oh god, my brain is self imploding... Am I on a different planet or have I lost the plot once & for all? - "Pointers, pointers, blah blah.. You are the truth of what you are.. what it is.. where it is.."
It might be clear to you pal but you just confused me! Give my brain a rest pleaseeeee.
Once Is enough, yep, don't need 2 hear all that again mate, you're probably a highly evolved life form & a very cool humanoid but I've just got a brain ache & ive had quite enough of listening to your preamble lol. "so that's why the meetings go on? - WTF?
Put my mate Sailor back on pleaseeeeee.
Surely those 2 are not enlightened, but teachers, so they can't say anything from own experience?
I don't think wheeler is,, he keeps butting in and so full of contradictions, everything he says I sense is coming from his ego
This video is just a waste of time. Bob and John complicate something that is very simple. Better watch Tony Parsons videos and at the same time have fun.
this man don't know what he's talking about,
Pointer, pointer, pointer, pointless video. After 16 minutes I've lost interest. A quarter of an hour of my life wasted listening to a man stating the obvious and failing to conmunicate anything of any sugnificence.
Simplicity is all it is about. Too obvious for the mind used to complications.