Minisforum NPB7 Review - 13700H, USB 4.0, Wifi 6E Mini PC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
- Minisforum NPB7 review. Intel Core i7 13700H mini PC with DDR5 ram, PCie 4.0 SSD's, Wifi 6E, 2.5G LAN x 2, and USB 4.0 x 2. More info and pricing: bit.ly/42tYVDN
00:00 - Into and key specs
00:37 - Unboxing
00:54 - Design, ports and internals
03:20 - The bios
04:00 - Windows 11 Pro, devices, benchmarks, and RAM speed
07:12 - 4k video decoding and 4k streaming
08:10 - 4k video editing, encoding and export times
08:58 - Iris Xe 96 EU Gaming test
09:30 - Thermals and fan noise sample
10:35 - Linux support
10:45 - Final words with Pros and Cons - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
The Bios fix for it powering off under heavy loads:
NPB7 solves the problem of individual machines running a certain game, or testing software power failure.
New website download address, does not support NAB5/NAB6
www.minisforum.com/new/support#/support/page/download/75
BIOS download address
www.mediafire.com/file_premium/spdumorkme12pgn/Only_for_NPB7_Bios009_.rar/file
BIOS update steps
minisforum.mediafire.com/file_premium/x8jlexh2i143ned/NPB7_update_BIOS_for_windows_Step.docx/file
I'm late to the party here. I wish I would have seen this review before I purchased this thing. I got it for one reason and that is to run Adobe Lightroom for photo processing. It crashes like someone pulled the plug. It is repeatable. The bio update did nothing. I purchased through Amazon in Canada and well past the return date. Minisforum was returning my emails while I was trying to find a fix. I asked for a refund almost a week ago and I have't heard a word back where previously I would email during the day and get a reply every morning. I am no expert on computers. I do understand that this machine in concept is a laptop without periferals built in. So I have a question. Would it be possible to gut the case and istall the components in a larger case with better thermals and give it a larger power supply? Probable a dumb question for someone in the know, but I'm not one of those people. Thanks for the useful info.
More info and pricing: bit.ly/42tYVDN
00:00 - Into and key specs
00:37 - Unboxing
00:54 - Design, ports and internals
03:20 - The bios
04:00 - Windows 11 Pro, devices, benchmarks, and RAM speed
07:12 - 4k video decoding and 4k streaming
08:10 - 4k video editing, encoding and export times
08:58 - Iris Xe 96 EU Gaming test
09:30 - Thermals and fan noise sample
10:35 - Linux support
10:45 - Final words with Pros and Cons
Its a power supply issue, they need to include a stronger one. Its confirmed by minisforum.
Yes, bios update is the fix I just got, which must lower the power limit. But it needs 150W power supply, I did see it use over the 120W.
NPB7 solves the problem of individual machines running a certain game, or testing software power failure.
New website download address, not support NAB5/NAB6
www.minisforum.com/new/support#/support/page/download/75
BIOS download address
www.mediafire.com/file_premium/spdumorkme12pgn/Only_for_NPB7_Bios009_.rar/file
BIOS update steps
minisforum.mediafire.com/file_premium/x8jlexh2i143ned/NPB7_update_BIOS_for_windows_Step.docx/file
@@Techtablets so does new bios update solves the problem or 150w power supply is needed?
@@renatokatalenic5058both. It essentially lower the power limits which may result in lower performance when it gets loaded 🤣🤣🤣
@@nenadcaric5195 thats very good for everyday Performance, it will live longer and the Electricity costs will be cheaper. Im not a gamer anyway. If you want Gaming why are you here there is amd or ps for you 😂
@@Horvat04 I'm here because I love tech, however, it may be fine for you, but people who're buying one, they only have specs on paper. Now, if they undervolt the CPU, depending on the case it can be from 5-25% performance loss. This video is too old to remember all the details, however, people who are actually buying one of those should be aware that real life and performance on paper don't match. It's like lowering the brightness of the phone screen without an option for increasing it again.
Much as I love Minisforum for their variety of models, I can't help but think that they are making life hard for themselves with the constantly changing lineup. The pressure on the designers and testing team must be huge because it looks like they have to commit to manufacture before they've been able to test them properly. They do seem to fix problems later on in production, but it makes it risky for the buyer, who is already taking a bit of a gamble. A year or two ago they would just have a single box design and develop that as they improved the processors. That didn't give you much reason to upgrade, but it had to make it easier to design. Might skip this model, but maybe the next one?
Thanks for the review!
Yes seems like it wasn't quite ready the bios and the powering off issue. Rushed maybe and we are the beta testers.
Hi Chris, great review. Would love to see one of these mini computers use the usb 4 with a EGPU.
I might test that, but so far very low intertest in these mini pcs.
didnt u have a download link to the BIOS update software, i searched and cannot find it anywhere, thanks
Wow what a nice surprise! TH-cam recommendation algorithms are superb.
Hardly anyone has seen this video or been recommended so glad it worked for once!
@@Techtablets In fact, I used to watch your videos from time to time, and the first one ever was about Xiaomi Mi Notebook Pro which I bought then and still been using. Thank you for that review. And recently I started to seek for machine to replace that old buddy so the algo actually "knows" what I'm after, this brought me here again. There's a hard choice between Morefine and Minisforum now, still can't decide - go for a cheaper (but perfectly fine overall for my needs) M600 or wait for UM790 whose price is nuts. Morefine's BIOS update policy is what intimidates me the most.
Morefine seem to hardly release bios updates or fixes. A few times but it's very rear! Well the UM790 is being sent to me and I'm posting today the Beelink GTR7 7840HS review.
Impeccable as always Chris. Btw have you seen that Huawei Matebook E Go that has an ARM processor? It's the 8cx gen 3 which is supposed to perform well and give you like 12 hour battery. So, I'm actually more excited about the gen 4 that should be coming soon and will supposedly perform similarly to Apple's M1.
I know Apple won't add Mac OS to their mobile devices but once we start seeing these ultra efficient chips optimized for windows I expect these open-minded Chinese companies to somehow add Windows 11 to a mobile phone with USB 3 or above and instead of using a mini PC like this for most things, you could just plug your phone to a monitor and peripherals.
Yes I happen to be testing out now a 8CX Gen 3 tablet (review soon) and for most people it will be a great chip can't wait to see the gen 4 of it. I've often thought of someone using the chip with 5G to make a phone then plug in as a desktop PC experience. Hopefully it will happen!
@@Techtablets great news, can't wait for the review
Suppports XBox Game Pass?
As always great content sir.
Much appreciated
Sir, meteorlake mobile chips are coming later this year in september. Huge efficiency gains and faster igpu than even amd rdna 3 780m in gaming and 3d work.
It also has New generation of media engines same as Intel Arc 770 GPU.
Yes the 14th gen is looking really interesting and promising. Since the 12th Gen Intel has really stepped up but fell behind with the iGPU's but that is to all change really soon. I also have a Ryzen 7 7840HS mini pc i'm working on now. 780m graphics is a tad better than the 680m.
@@Techtablets yes i am 100% sure and all leakers suggested that meteorlake igpu will be little bit faster than 780m in gaming.
Whole architecture change is coming and i am very very excited.
@@HDRPC Yes and added by the faster RAM hopefully they use LPDDR5x-7500 max and DDR5 5600Mhz it should be something.
@@Techtablets yes, meteorlake also has large L4 cache.
@@Techtablets yes sir 100% confirmed that Meteorlake will use LPDDR5X 7500 mhz and DDR5 5600mhz.
Asus zenbook pro 16x oled 2023 with i9 13 gen and RTX 4080 already has LPDDR5X-7400 mhz.
Did you notice the wattage at idle?
Product warranty?
Are you able to add an SSD with heatsink with that cooling fan on top like that?
Nice review as always!
BTW very recently GMKTec has released so many interesting models. I hope you will take a look some of them.
I'll check them out if they send them to me.
0:00 "This is the Minis Forum Neptune Series NPB7."
Caption: "Minis Forum Venus Series NPB7 Unboxing & Review".
On the box: "Minis Forum Venus Series".
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Great video as usual, thank you! Coincidentally I got my NAB6 yesterday (which is very similar to the NPB7 but with an i7-12650H), and I have the same problem: when I run a benchmark (say for example Geekbench 6) and it shuts down by itself after around 5-6 minutes. I've reach out to Minisforum that they only suggested to re-attach the power cable and clear BIOS. If you know more, would you be so kind to let us know?
Hi, did you have external drives connected? So far Minisforum told me they have let there engineers know about the issue. If I know anything I will let you know here.
@@Techtablets Its a power supply issue, though I think minisforum is working on a bios update to make it draw less. They should just have included a stronger power supply from the gecko.
@@Techtablets No external drives connected. I ordered 2 NAB6 and one of them was defective. The other one worked perfectly (even when using the power supply of the defective unit). I see that there is a BIOS update for the NAB6 as well (released on the 6th of June), I'll give it a try. Thank you for help!
@@issamchajiiDid it got fixed after bios update?
Did the bios update solve the problem?
Is compatible with game systems? XBox Game Pass and Steam?
I don't understand why they still use 2.5 ssd drive, why not another m.2 slot?
Just bought a Beelink 5500u for £296 very impressed with it.
Nice, Beelink also make great Mini PCs. I have one of theirs i'm working on now.
Beast of a CPU but i would go for the i5-13500h they have as its also a great CPU and better bang for your pound
I've a laptop with the 13900H, its' a monster even when restricted with lower power limits. But yes the 13500h or 13650H is a good chipset.
@@Techtablets yep, sorry for context I was referring to the manufacturers pricing on this product: the i5 is £369 and the i7 is £499
@@change2023now Ouch! It's not worth that extra cost for the slightly better performance.
@@Techtablets exactly, hopefully they can fix the PSU cutouts but I feel any software fix will come at a cost to performance. They are likely going to have to switch to a more powerful PSU in future production
I also have had the shut off failure. An original NUC power supply does not fit… Did anybody test it with suitable power supply of 150W? Does the PL2 setting allow 115W (Intel ARK allows that for i7-13700H) then? Or will board‘s MOSFETs be overloaded?
Hi Chris I like your reviews. Would you consider to add some charts with benchmarks results from tests of other mini pc. You have tested many of those units and it looks like there will be a lot more of them :) It would be easier to compare those devices. I especially like tests from real life use, for example in adobe or compatibility tests with Linux or other software. The noise and temperature is also crucial. The video sample encoded in adobe should also be identical in all of reviews.
Hi, it's one thing I vouched to never do when I started, was turn into a spreadsheet slideshow type of youtube channel. What do you do when you see the slides? Skip ahead the video, well at least I do. The video sample should be the same across them all and the 1minute is the same so its' fair.
@@Techtablets Sorry but I disagree with you. It would be so much easier to see all units compared in one chart after proceeding specific test rather than searching and watching all your reviews. But I can understand your point of view from perspective of content creator. What ever you do I will be watching U :) Good luck
@@wojtek7003 Sure charts are quick and easy to see the info but normally people skip them and that hurts watch time. It's something I would do if I was to only review Mini PC's dedicated to that but nowadays I don't review that many.
Alt F5 should give you full access to bios.
Thanks. I did try this and others for the full settings but not luck sadly!
@@Techtablets I presume you saved it with F10 after you did the Alt and then F5 and reboot. It works on my Minisforum mini PC but maybe they have removed it from newer models.
I like the specs, but random power offs sounds like a lemon. I'll stick with Geekom IT13 for Intel CPUs.
Other non-Intel options are Minisforum UM 790 or Beelink GTR7.
Supports Opera browser?
No, no PC is supporting Opera anymore, because EDGE is out there 🙄🤪😉🥴
I regret buying it for following reasons;
1- old style below basic bios- ancient in this era.
2- very noisy fan at temp of 60 to 70 degree.
3- spent £850 - I could have I9 cpu pc in same amount.
4- faulty design to maintain cooling
works like a charm because it has too many cores and RAM is dr5,
too expensive for that. You said on geekbench "thats a good score" ...1714 single core score? you must be joking.
How does this compare to a 7840hs in terms of cpu and gpu?
I don't know why but when pros and cons I'm imagining Vera grooming and she looks cute as always 😻
She was about, chill downstairs on the sofa.
@@Techtablets oh I see, wish she chill next to you when pros and cons recording, that could boost subscribers up 😁
10:35 Did Minis Forum provide a solution to the Linux issue?
No only the power off bios fix.
@@Techtablets Then I’ll ask in their D i s c o r d, referring to this video. I would love to run Arch Linux on this.
@@Techtablets Turned out to be a driver issue. In the Manjaro Live release. Nothing to fix for Minis Forum.
Great review on the mini PC. I'm not here to say any bad about this device or anything but the AMD ones always offer better on every aspect. UM790 Pro just got released the 7940HS has higher multicore performance, lower max TDP and the iGPU it comes with is what interested me the most. 780M absolutely obliterates iris XE in games. At around same price point, it makes it no brainer to choose AMD over this mini PC. Intel really needs to step up their games to stay relevant
I'll be reviewing in soon that UM790, just waiting for it to arrive. I hope it doesn't A) Reboot under heavy Cinebench loads like this did. B) The RAM doesn't hit 95 degrees C. But yes that 780M is an awesome iGPU.
Also, the AMD seems to have better single-thread performance, right? I think that it's the same for the 7840HS, better than this Intel. So, thos AMD seems to be better than Intel for office tasks as well?
Hi, npb7 hx77g um790 pro hn2673, in your opinion for video editing with da vinci resolve, i which order you'd choose them? Thank you
Hi video editing you still want a dedicated GPU so my pick is the hx77g
It's DDR4, not DDR5.
The product description page says DDR4. Check please.
I thought I read 4800Mhz on the RAM, that's DDR5 speeds...
No Sir, it does support DDR 5200MT/s max. I tried 5600 MT/s too, but stays at 5200 despite various BIOS settings.
Out of topic sir. Can I ask what watch did you wear in this video? Thank you.
Sure Huawei Watch GT 3 Pro, I'm now testing the Watch GT 4 which is even better!
@@Techtablets thank you sir
sadly there are lots of issues with the NPB7. Alot of people have random reboots and freezes. there is a whole thread about it on the minisforum discord. They even downgraded the specs from beeing able to run 64GB memory to 32 gb. The issue is probably a thermal issue combined with a powersuply that is insufficient. But I'll never know, I've returned mine after all these issues.
Not good this year.ita been a common tread the reboots and suddenly powering off across all the Chinese brands. Seems they are pushing too much wattage in such small sized PCs.
I brought this model when it was released with 32 GB of RAM. First impressions where great, but eventually started getting a lot of reboots where it would be stuck on the BIOS.
lollol dude....dont you read?....it says venus series right on the box.....not neptune
Whoops slip up there as I last reviewed a Neptune series. Yes it's part of the Venus series.
when OP11 ?
OP11 review, well my unit bricked on an OITA so sent it back and that was the end of it.
@@Techtablets Thx for the answer... but i already read that they fixxed those problems of OITA , because of the country, witha chinese version that they change the OS for a golbal version , they say that was already fixxed.
Video voice is little unbalanced. It ups and downs constantly
Sorry I'll need to tweak my mic settings to improve it.
@@Techtablets Thanks for the reply and for the hard work.
Yeah it is usually much better, I guess Chris is on it for next video!
3rd. Nice MP but too expensive.
Fair enough!
1st to watch
Thank you!
@@Techtablets was excited for this intel pc, but performance not as expectedly good, looks more like a media player PC than a working PC.
Draw nearly 50% more power but game performance less than Ryzen 7840hs about 20%.
That's not good! Especially, when AMD catch up and even better at video encoding.
RDNA3 780M is a lot better than Iris Xe. But wait for the 14th Gen iGPU it should be even better.
@TechTablets That's next year noone gonna know.
But I hope Intel would pull off their next gen iGPU
You are partially right. But video encoding and decoding is independent of GPU!! It is driven by HW decoding engines, with around 350-600 fps, CPU and GPU nearly at idle.
Good review. Why would anyone buy a PC that resets under load? This machine requires a 150w psu. Typical MF issue.
They have issued a new bios update to fix the issue. I'll test it soon. My guess is it lowers the power limits.
@@Techtabletsdid you test it after the update? The problems were solved or not?
@@panagiotis6019 I just updated to the new firmware. Fingers crossed!
Too bad this unit is unreliable. It has the perfect set of I/O in this 4x4 form factor.
HelloTech tablets !
You are simply repeating a common mistake of everyone who has been wearing the shackles of the Windows system on their feet for a long time. It degrades and goes away.
Just really master the Linux system. And then any new computer equipment will work properly and without problems.
It ships with Windows so naturally I review it as such!
No wifi 7 no sale.
Almost nothing has wifi 7 at the moment. Not seen a single laptop or mini pc with it yet. All wifi 6e.
@@Techtablets my iphone 14 has it, my new router is wifi 7. I know they exist. There is little to no excuse for outdated hardware.
Intel, no thanks!
Well the next mini PC is a 7840HS one that i'm currently testing.
@@Techtablets that will be better for gaming