Nah, then they just waste the time of those 6'+, and simultaneously limit the dating pool for everyone else thus increasing competition amongst fellow men. It's games, games, games all the way down. I'd argue it is/can be unhealthy.
Unfortunately it's not that simple. Women are easily influenced and their terminally online social media behavior has the ones seeking these traits influencing more and more women over time. It's why women make terrible leaders, they don't lead by nature, they direct the ones who are leading with various forms of manipulation, when they don't have a leader to do that too like on social media they all start behaving like a pack going in circles and raising the standards each revolution, tgey literally are out bidding each other with standards. and thats why we now have this incredibly distorted list of what men should be and should have to be "worthy" of them. It's the worst possible combination of delusion, narcissism and entitlement that's just going to continue growing until the average classless influencer will be just average women in general. Either something drastic changes or we are looking at a situation shockingly similar to Rome in its final years.
16:40 While that's definitely a valid thing to say, the problem with body dysmorphia is that the person demanding you change so that they love you is YOURSELF. When it's other people telling you you need to change if you want to date them, yeah, don't do it. When you're the one spending every day telling you that you're not good enough and never will be . . . well, game over, man. Game over. If you don't love yourself, you're done for.
This is why i always think its funny to hear women talk about their "unrealistic" standards, when no woman is expected to be at least 3 inches over the average height for their sex, to make at least 25% more than the national average salary every year, and to have a physique that requires a rigorous diet and several years of intense training to attain. Hell nowadays, you're considered sexist if you dont date a 250 pound woman with no life skills. So id go so far as to say that it's only societally acceptable for women to have standards for men now.
Bro, I never met people in real life, who will bash you for not wanting to date overweight person. Yes, there are a people, who scream this on twitter, but it isn't how reality works
Bro. Agree 100 💯. I don’t feel bad for woman as much as I do for men. Your height, your private part size, your income, your muscular physique are things you have to work for or be blessed with. A lot of hard work to be an attractive man. And even then the attractive women still think their above you or better than you. Most guys like most women. Most women don’t like most guys.
@@AndrewTheFrankThis. It's not the work and time sink themselves. It's the body destroying steroids that let you obtain naturally impossible bodies of Hollywood stars at the cost of wrecking your hormones and shaving off 10 years off your life span. Women aren't expected to get on chemicals, mess with their bone structure or waste years obtaining a good, stable career. All they have to do is to not be a fat b*tch, be clean/presentable and know basic housekeeping skills. That baseline level of requirements do not cut it for men. If you ain't the top 10 percent, in a lot of cases it's game over
@@johnj.spurgin7037 Yes. In this day and age it's extremely dangerous to show your actual face on the regular because if you grab the wrong person's attention, you could be deep-faked.
I've been addicted to exercising for the last 15 years. Severe body dysmorphia, I feel disgustingly fat even though I'm about 12-15% body fat, I get intense spiraling depression if I miss more than a day or two of working out and feel like I'm losing all my progress even though I logically understand muscles don't atrophy until at least 2 weeks of non-use. But even with all those issues, I've NEVER thought of doing steroids. Seeing teenagers, TEENAGERS, doing tren, it makes me sick. I'm so worried about the future state of young men.
@@Mr.Heller someone didn't read my whole message, my problems aren't the point of what I was saying, they were just giving context for my thoughts on today's young men.
@@thegreatchrispy I did read it, and I'm telling you to go see a doctor if you have such problems. Your point is irrelevant if you're not smart enough to take care of your own psyche.
The height thing isn't just about dating, but rather that people in general are much less likely to take you serious or they'll think you're gonna be a school shooter.
Definitely, those action figures are things many boys turn into role models. “I want to look like that” especially since they are cool characters. You know GI Joe, Arnold in The Terminator and Leonidas in 300 are all positive images for men to aspire to be in shape, healthy, teaches them discipline and improves their self esteem / confidence in their image. All this can be said for woman too media needs to embrace femininity and fitness for them too, instead of being hellbent on ambiguity. 100% media should be centered around an image that is broadly healthy for most individuals, not roided out or borderline obese.
Personal advice, take it if you want: Don't let anyone decide what's your value as a person. Just by being a person you are priceless and only you can decide how you want to build your life. It's very posible you find people who naturally alings with you and shares some common points with you and that will be better than forcing yourself to fit in certain groups to be accepted. You are all kings and queens, and as such you guys bow to no one. Just make sure you are not hurting people or your selfs, because no one has the right to hurt anyone. Respect yourselfs and respect others. Have a nice day
The height isssue i find to be so stupid. Sorry none of us short guys can't change our height. Im a 29 male who is roughly 5 ft 2 to 5 ft 3 and I always get rejected even from women around my height or a little taller or a little shorter then me. Height is a dumb factor for dating. I get having a prefrence but if height is a serious issue in your eyes then you need to battle those demons. It hurts right away with getting rejected for my height but I'm glad that I was rejected because it shows me how insurce they are about the height of the guy they are dating.
I'm 6'2 and I've had 5'5 women thinking I'm shorter than them until they realized their hand struggled to reach the top of my head, because I am bulky. Do not worry about height, worry about your frame, that's what's important.
One thing of worry is that for the handful you see on Hollywood films that are jacked with a ton of mucle and awesome definition that inspire the "ideal male look" hundreds of thousands worldwide die before their 50s chasing that look. They do too much and their bodies can't handle it. I have no real dog in this issue, yet I can relate. I'm a fat guy Standing on the opposite end of the spectrum, I am aware that both extremes are harmful to overall health and life expectancy. Not too fat, not too thin, and not too muscle bound either. That is where the true balance lies.
21:03 this woman started talking to me after wishing me happy birthday on a birthday post I made for friends on this app, she told me she likes fat men and she wants to meet in person to see how fat I am after I said I was 160lbs. I run half marathons on a whim, I am not fat I just have a disorder that detaches my abs so they hang out and look like fat. 30:45 we blame the manufacturer when there is lead in paint, food, gas, but when it’s a media page? We blame the consumer for only being sold garbage for some reason. Most people are too stupid to understand what’s being done to them by lead poisoning, same thing by media poisoning. 54:10 cortisol is generated by physical and mental stress. Your body will process cortisol as part of the healing process after a workout. If you do not chill out, you will literally get less gains due to increased cortisol
I mean, it's not that complicated. Never compare your body to somebody who's job it is to have a good body. Shockingly it's easier to have a good body when it's your fucking job. I'm gone from home 55 hours/week working.(pauses and transport included). Shockingly I have other shit to do. I work out enough to be HEALTHY which is a hell of a lot more important to me. I want to sit on the beach in Spain when I'm 80 having a glass of wine.
@@TheBayzent Rofl. The average women is more interested in somebody with a dad body compared to those freaks in my experience. Nah, this is a man thing. Similar to how women get insecure because of how models and such look. That tiny portion that want those extremes are such a small fraction that it's not really relevant. People thinking the other gender wants that ideal on the other hand is of course common.
Speaking as a short guy (5'4") approaching 30, it took a long time to get over the insecurity of being short. Even to this day, I still get teased and made fun of for it, sometimes in good fun, but other times not. It's one of the easiest insecurities to exploit for men, and it's a nerve that stays raw to the touch because it gets poked so often. Accepting that the people who mock you for such things aren't worth your time is easy, but after being beaten with the same club so often, you start to hate yourself, and that drives people to take such drastic measures to change what they hate seeing in the mirror.
A great example of marketing using propaganda also involving cigarettes, I've seen these ads in Indonesia that say "Warriors don't quit" advertising a masculine image smoking a cigarette. It's super fucked and from the outside you can see the deception, but you say something to somebody enough times and they start to internalize it or believe it's true.
39:11 Enjoyable video but I have literally never, under any circumstance, heard somebody say this. The conversation usually turns to gun laws and politics, I have never heard somebody just be outright dismissive towards a school shooting.
One sad part is that even IF you do not believe in common body standards for what is attractive... it can be very difficult to find other people who also do not believe such things. Or if your chosen career blatantly or even slightly relies on meeting such standards, that you do not even agree with, can be extra rough.
Don't be morbidly obese. Being thicc is fine. All that men are actually asking for is for women who can take a long walk on the beach and not be breathing like a pug after two steps.
Body positivity for women : We love breasts of all shape and sizes! Celebrate differences in all women! Body positivity for men: OMG he has Small PP energy
or, unrealistic beauty standards that guys like - a fitness figure, even without abs (achievable) but when a girl wants her boyfriend to be at least 180 centimeters (5.8) feet tall, - this is a normal desire (something that cannot be changed)
I've been made fun of because I didn't have a whole lot of muscle, I'm 140lbs and 6'0", kind of a given. I'm thankful that I've managed to avoid going down this rabbit hole. That doesn't mean that I don't have body dysmorphia. I always feel like I should be doing more. I always feel like I'm not good enough. I've been training in Muay Thai my entire life and I may not have much, but everything I have on my is muscle. I constantly feel like I don't look good. It's hell. I'm only 17. I'm going into my senior year of high school and I'm thinking about starting creatine, nothing more, though.
Don't worry, you tall and young. And as you say do combat sports. You have plenty of time to build the physic that you want. If you want to put on some size , just must count your daily kkal and macros. Eat plenty of protein and eat about 200 kkal+ of your maintenance lvl.
26:35 For the most part when it comes to bodybuilders it's the judges warped perception of what looks good that drives the insanity in that field. If they can't see muscle fibers you loose points pretty much.
i had the oposite problem shut people out too much and dont care what they think . now i dont know anymore how to make friends or have fun with other people.
The thing that I still can't really wrap my head around, is the fact that this "twisted" perception in the general public, both for men and women of so called "body standards", while not being new, definitely blew up big in the last 2 decades. Back when I was a teenager, everybody knew that supermodels and bodybuilders weren't a "normal" thing. They were over the top on every level. And people knew that it can be very unhealthy. Not to mention that you definitely need a certain genetic foundation and lots of self discipline if you want to achieve and maintain such a body. And lets not forget, most people like that usually make money with their bodies! They keep an extreme level of self discipline to perfect an already unusually rare body type to make a living. But look at today. We are actually talking about _"unrealistic body standards"_ in this case on one side, but normalize it at the same time? What an abstruse nonsense! Not only aren't body types like this unrealistic but extremely rare, which is a huge difference. But no one in his right mind would call this a standard, by any stretch! Yet for some reason, now your average Joe and Jane believe they can and need pull this off. And not only that. The second they realize how hard this really is, they reach for drugs without second guessing it, or drift into bulimia or other eating disorders. And the media? They too are "normalizing" this trend even stronger then ever before. Sorry, but I really have no sympathy for this. It's good if one wants to stay healthy, eat well and go to the gym to stay fit. I'm all into that. But normalizing this extreme kind of behavior is really a new dimension of stupidity. 😩
Preach 🙏 also while some people might not like the fact that you pause so much, I enjoy hearing your thoughts on the topic which also adds to the reactions instead of taking away 👍
That woman with a tiny waist is a real thing, they wear corsets and tighten them over time, last time I checked the world record was a 15 inch waist while wearing a corset.
@@Rezuvious I still think that foot binding is one of the worst of the "beauty" body modifications. For those who don't know, it involves breaking and then tightly binding the feet of girls form a very young age (4 to 6 years old) for many years so they can have smaller feet.
To your point about action figures being muscly men and attractive women. Yes, it has been a thing forever, but let's be intellectually honest enough to admit that attractive female characters are being discouraged if not outright forbidden while the 6'10 350 pound solid muscle male figure is still acceptable. Depicting a female character as slim and curvy with a tight outfit is enough to have people try to get you fired from your job and harass your family, while the shirtless super soldier with 12 pack abs is still normal. I'm just pointing out a double standard, im not advocating for all characters depicted in media to be amorphous blobs.
Honestly, i'm not the tallest. i'm 5"5'(166cm) and at my height, i've had more tall (5ft10+) girlfriends than short ones. I have no idea how it happened. But all i know is that i treat everyone i meet with a baseline respect and react according to the respect i'm given. i'm not that good lookin' even. i'm just confident in who i am and enjoy getting to know people for who they are.
Both men and women have been subjected to unhealthy and unrealistic beauty standards throughout the ages. But the emphasis has always been on encouraging women to defy those standards, even to redefine them. We're only just now talking about men doing the same thing. Edited for spelling
Botton line: if you go to the gym, do it because there's something you love doing there. I take boxing training courses and do muscle work because I feel better afterwards. Also I shave my head on purpose out of spite of fashion trends 😂
There is this guy that goes to the grocery store near me, hes absolutely stacked, wide as a car, covered in tattoos, real manly shit. Im just like damn thats a guy who is incredibly unhappy with his body
15:20 Yes, you are right, but in most cases, we are judged by our appearance, and only then if you have attracted the attention of a girl, she can start talking to you to find out what kind of person you are by character. So yes, appearance is very important for guys nowadays, without a good introduction of yourself, no girl will want to get to know you better.
What i personally find unrealistic whenever i go to gym is that i, out of all of people stand out very much cuz i dont use supplements to build my own physique, like protein and creatine. I mean, yeah protein adds to muscle strength and maybe i will consider using it, but not creatine as it only forces liquid to gather into muscle and you must keep using it otherwise you will just have excess ugly skin where muscle once was cuz water got absorbed by the body. I personally dont use anything and i just eat meals that are unrelated to building muscle mass or anything like that, so its like pretty basic diet as any of us have, like potato, paprika, onions, maybe chicken, sometimes pizza or hamburger, you know just basic stuff that we generally eat, so no strict diet. And in complete honesty, none of them will ever admit they do it to get more girls, rather they will say they do it for themselves. Also fun fact, and i dont know why, even though some of them are going to such extremes in training i still can topple their hands whenever we do such casual contests for fun. Im not bragging, dont take me wrong but it is weird, and just having aesthetics but no strength out of it is such a waste of immense amount of money. Edit: My physique is nowhere near perfect and no i dont have very exposed muscles that obviously should be more expressed, but that is because i dont use supplements at all, and i train about 1-2h every 2 days depending on how i feel like. And also i work in metal industry as welder and go on terrain to assemble stuff that is heavy, ranging from 10kg-130kg a piece.
From my experience women will say they don't like guys with muscles or body builders but they will give such guys 100x more attention than the guys they say they much rather prefer.
Thankfully my mom and her parents taught me to think for myself and to have critical thinking. For me personally I'm not interested in body building, but it's a healthy thing to at least be in shape from keeping up an exercise routine. And balancing your diet, not to mention taking some downtime to relax. It's good to have a balance of staying in shape and not pushing yourself too much. Recently I hate the propaganda to see obesity as "beautiful" when it's also unhealthy and most other men I've talked to see obesity as ugly and unattractive, most women I've talked to agree with them. It's unhealthy to go to any extreme with your health, surgery is also an extreme that people take too far
15:30 it’s a good message but the issue I always find with it is even if you say that to yourself you can’t always abide by that because if you love someone enough you will change for them because you seek their approval and affection so you’ll change to gain that that’s the problem
Remember when I first watched this one. It horrified me then and still does. I kinda disliked hollywood and popular society before, but this video turned that dislike into loathing. How many parents had to bury their sons because of these lies? And then to realize that the dating market is so wildly skewed by something as vapid as skin-deep beauty... is it any wonder men have walked away? And to know that such standards are pushed in part to make money for massive companies!?
I have been going down the hole myself, not to anything extreme, because I stopped myself when I noticed I started to think that way, that I needed to get more buff mainly. When I started going to the gym a few years ago, it was to help my back that I destroyed a good while back. And that turned into getting better health in general, but as time went, I noticed I got into my head that I had to get bigger, more buff, get the fat % down to x amount etc. etc. It just never stopped, and I asked myself, why am I doing this? For who am I going this far for? That is when it was no longer for me, but my view from others of what I should be instead was the focus. I am not here to bash gym and getting into better shape, but to a degree as with all things in life. Ask yourself what goal you have, if you have to become insanely buff, you do you. But know what kind of world you are getting into. For me, atm, I am quite happy with my body overall, just need to loose weight. After going to the gym for a good amount of years (I have gone 3-4 days a week, 3-4 hours every time for 4-5 years), I can say one thing, to mantain the body you build, you have to keep going at it, and it is time consuming and demanding, if you have a regular job and want time with your family, it might not be something worth even considering. But as long as you don't hurt anybody, you do you. But I will say that the view of what the male body should be, is insane to me. It is no wonder a regular dude more or less gives up on the prospect of even dating, I see this with myself to a degree, but especially friends, 3 of them have this mentality that they need to be x height, need to be this buff, need to have this jawline etc. etc. And I don't think women are helping in changing that much. I cannot speak on behalf of women since I am not one, but to me it seems just the notion of giving compliments to dudes is not a thing, in fact, I see way more badmouthing rather than anything nice being said. And it is not a meme that men will remember that one time in school they got a compliment and that keeps them going sometimes. Because it is that fucking rare. And that tears on your mental healthbeing, I myself have struggled, and to the point I developed gynophobia because of all the badmouthing. Also, not here to bash women either, just my personal view. In general I rather, like Paws here, just view people as people. Just treating people like people and giving compliments when you can and if you are at the gym, just saying hello and goodbye to strangers can be uplifting, depends on the gym/place ofc. Now, when it comes to the view people have on the male body, think a massive issue is people online stating they are natty (natural, no steroids), when in fact they are not, are a massive issue that portray a body standard that should not even be there tbh. I have gotten guys that are 16-17 going up to me wondering if I had roids on me, when stuff like that happens, I think something is really effing wrong. And this view on the body, both male and female I might add, it just gets younger and younger as it has gone. I have a niece that is 9 that is talking about it. Fucking 9. They are supposed to play and enjoy life, not sitting and wondering if their body is right. Wtf. It legit makes me both sad and kinda mad that this is the way of things now. This became a bit of a rant. But this is something I care about. I might edit things when I get back later.
its an unironic twist that the campaign of breaking the social taboo of "dont judge a book by its cover" has led to everyone judging success only by appearance. everyone wants to look like runway models in pageants and fashion shows who probably have more money put into their bodies than the average person has in their HOUSE to keep that appearance up. and male actors that have to binge and purge, and take steroids, and they work a full time job at the gym basically chasing a specific muscle definition or tone for a 20 minute scene in a movie. we have a culture focused on hero worship and celebrity and when we told everyone not to judge a book by its cover everyone tried to look past it but nobody ever got the message. "im not judging them by their appearance im judging them by their success and looking like this is what led to their success" thats how it comes off to me at least. weve just rearranged the order everyone considers things in. everyone is still focused on superficial things
I watched Dragon Ball and never tried to be like the Sayans, there are more things at work affecting men, women are more affected visually, men are not. I think what makes men seek this standard is that they believe they will be able to find a wife like that, which is not the case. "hook up culture" is not a culture of men, it is a culture of 90% of the women and 10% of the men passing them around. But a lot of men want a partner and they for some strange reason think that if they get the perfect body they will find one. I live in a really small city, there are a good amount of good women to marry here, but big cities, and some more "liberal countries" it is for sure harder, the reason they don't find wives is because most modern women can't be wives, and they simply think the problem is themselves or their bodies.
I get why guys do this stuff and why this ideal is chased. As someone who was formerly fat and is now semi lean with muscle I can say that people treat you way differently after the change. You go from, at worst, being treated like trash, bot at best having your existence ignored, to all of a sudden everyone wants to socialize with you. All of a sudden guys want to be your friend girls start treating you like a human being. In some cases even showing romantic interest. People will try to rationalize it as you having a different or better personality but from my own experience, and that of others, the only change we receive is from others externally treating us better which probably leads us to being happier or more up beat. Aside from that there is effectively no change. We still feel like the same person but are being treated differently. It really shows how shallow most people are. It also can cause you to have a kind of high. getting attention where there was none before can cause one to push to an extreme to attempt to amp the attention further.
And that's just one thing that's absolutely abusive about the culture and society we build. It's all driving society crazy. And then we wonder "how could this happen?" when a conga line of horrible events waltz on the stage.
Bodybuilding is terrible, if you see the Full Natural Tested competition they literally look all normal, with normal muscles. I have friends that say "they need to train like Arnold to be big" I said to them a lot of times: Arnold would be in a wheelchair if he didn't had the money he has, you are destroying your body. They never care, they seem like zombies.
I think weve lost a lot of the good teachers, when i was in school the teachers were great except for the few who would only dictate to you and get mad about questions, say they werent there to teach you but to get paid etc. I think thats become more of the norm now as so many teachers dont consider it worth it to teach. Why would you when you dont get paid well, the kids have never behaved very well and are worse with social media and society at large absolutely hates teachers. The most common perspective of educators is that of brainwashhers forcing government ideals into your kids rather than understanding education and wanting kids to be taught blind ideology. When you want kids to believe off of faith rather than logic and reason of course theyre gonna take what they see in media as faith and theyll believe it and apply it to themselves.
It gets to a point where your self-esteem is so bad that this is how cosmetic surgery makes it's money. Breaking their legs for men are the boob augmentation, the Brazilian butt implant, the lips filler of the women. It is a social mental issue that needs to be addressed.
I have body dysmorphia. Except i can't ever live up to any of the expectations i am given. My body constantly works at two times faster than normal. Yet i suffer with an eating disorder. My mind and society are destroying me because i need to eat twice as much but my brain doesn't let me because of the dysmorphia i was given. Even when i try to get muscular i cant because my body burns away what is needed for muscle.
The problem isn't that these guys are changing for other people but rather they have been repeatedly hammered on all sides that the exaggerated muscular look is the key to success so they look for any shortcuts they can buy when the actual key is the mindset and discipline you obtain by doing the work naturally.
I don't understand why there is a "beauty standard" when people comprehend beauty differently it's like that old saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder and most of us are ugly on the inside 😐
I think ideal to pursue - always a good thing, we just need to tone down this ideal... not so that 0.00001% of men can be perceived as a model to strife for, but like 10% of men body standard (nowadays) as a model for media to promote (ads\models\mb movies etc). Like healthy (height and width to weight wise), a bit muscular if your body constitution allow it (coz you can be thin and rly struggle to have some visible muscles) and groomed (not model-like, but simply clean)... That will be one "body type" for example, another one is "thin" (+all above mentioned) and third one "a bit chubby" (+all above), but not an obese-like. Those 3 body-types will be good enough IMO... it's not that radical and high of a standard and so it will not encounter that much of a push back too.
paws being mocked for her height is something completely ridiculous, to me at least. both my sisters for example are taller and probably more muscular than her (although our smallest sibling was called a giraffe sometimes). this is by no means an attempt of consolation from me. ive just encountered many women taller than 1,8 meters close to being 2 meters in height and consider that attribute as one of attractiveness.
The problem isn't that these guys are changing for other people but rather they have been repeatedly hammered on all sides that the exaggerated muscular look is the key to success that they believe it themselves, so they look for any shortcuts they can buy when the actual key is the mindset and discipline you obtain by doing the work naturally. Personally I can't be asked to do more exercise than it takes to make sure I can keep moving properly for work and the future, beyond that I love food and gaming so until I get my VR game station fully kitted I'll be stuck with a bit of a gut because I don't have anyone in my life that'll appreciate the work it takes to get really lean.
Marketing is a frick up game that actually takes lives. It really is frustrating. Also, I loathe the "create the problem to sell the solution" mentality in society. It's freaking evil.
Unfortunately, the world is very shallow. I'm fairly sure that if I was as jacked as my classmates 30 years ago, and remained so? There's always the thought that maybe people wouldn't have tried to take advantage of me or do wrong or harm to me. When it comes to dating and attraction? No one ever loves you for who you really are when you're just trying to get a date.
Edit: Sorry in case you read this. In hindsight i feel like i was rude, but feel like i shouldn't just delete my comment, cause i said it, so its better to apologize for the attitude, but be clear about the reason for the apology. I've just seen so many times on social media people doubt somethings validity without any evidence to support the disbelief and remark their disbelief based on a feeling as a reality. It's just one of my pet peeves. But it doesn't matter, im one faceless among a sea of insignificant masses. Just wanted to state my apology for my tone, cause i regret the thought of a possibility of negatively impacting someones day. I do like your content and personality. Original message: 24:50 Im annoyed when people say something online is fake only when its convenient. Please do demonstrate why something is fake, rather than just saying "Because i said so!" There's plenty of unbelievable things happening in the world that are not faked, people look really unintelligent saying "tHAtS fAKe" then have it turn out it wasn't, and someones opinion or personal preference on physique is far from the most unbelievable thing.
The most watched marvel movies by women was Thor love and thunder and captain america and it was the ones where Thor and captain america were almost or fully nude, it had a higher female audience than any other superhero movies for the past decade, that isn't a coincidence, women can say they don't like the body building aesthetic but the majority will lust over it even if only in fantasy and men see this and we want to be what women desire
I usually like your takes and I especially love your takes in this video. It has always baffled me how people claim they have to be xy to get a partner - you're not getting a partner, you get someone who likes one part of you that you create to please them. That is utterly stupid and never worth it. You do not "love" that person because that person is an ahole, you feel physical attraction or they are popular and want to be popular too - love is something you can only do to a person as a whole, their personality, how they treat you, how they treat others. So much of the west is just about wanting to have somebody you are physically attracted to and who others find attractive around you to compliment you as a "partner". Another thing that always baffles me that people do not understand - the market is built around creating needs. If you only have basic needs met there is no eternal infinite growth and profits. You need to create markets and needs you can sell to. And you do that by making people feel insecure, missing out, not being enough themselves - that's a tale as old markets. Who is the most easily made feel insecure and needing stuff to feel accepted and fit in? People who don't have a personality yet and are vulnerable and developing, teens and kids and young adults. In my youth it was designer clothes you had to have or were ostracized in school, then it was phones, makeup, food etc. The internet just accelerated it and the target got ever younger, not just young adults/youth anymore but young kids bugging their parents to buy them shit. Then you had planned obsolescence so people buy new shit, reduced warranties, no more repairability, no more ownership only use license, etcpp - everything around us is made to create needs and demands to make us consume.
certainly. maybe i worded it badly as an esl, what i meant to say is you don't "know" a person unless you spend a long time with them, go from friends to lovers, and when they expect you to earn 6 figures and be > 6ft their personality is shallow and not worth loving - or treating you like shit for having feelings or "not being a man". i did not mean to say they don't have a personality, just not a personality worth loving - and to really get to know a person and start loving them for their personality that takes months and years
*Paws talking about height* ... but Randy Newman told me that short people aint got no reason to live... (i know that's not what the song is about, but it's still funny to me, being a short guy)
Unrealistic body standards are a social problem for both genders. I'd just want my SO to be healthy. :( Beauty is skin-deep. Personality means so much more, and... I don't think I'd survive my SO dying on me, so there's that. If someone only loved me or considered me dateable because I'm handsome... what kind foundation for a relationship is that?
I see nothing wrong with a man wanting to improve his physique and health, where I draw the line is when they obsess over it and it starts to consume their life and it becomes the only thing that drives them, especially when they start abusing steroids in order to reach the next level by being able to train even harder for longer.
it's not just for being attractive to women. our own self image and our image to other guys drive us to aim for the impossible physique. its frustrating whenever men's self issues are brought up, women have to be involved so inject themselves into the problem even though it doesn't point anything at them at all. let men speak their problems without comparing them to women Also, i don't get why paws would call the examples the creator of the video brought up, such as the guy asking the girls about body types, fake. this is not a court trial on whether or not men's body dysmorphia is real. it's about what is affecting it and how they do so.
Problem is, how do you hold advertisements accountable for their influence on someone if (they didn't lie, and) you hold them as adults who can make their own choices. These are incompatible. Either you are responsible for your actions, or someone else is and you need a pseudo-parent to guide your actions in life.
I still disagree with what she says at the end , we are not children there is responsibility on each ADULT to not fall for things , if not well then lets pack it up and forget about freedoms , Papa/Mama gobernment/society should make decisions for us and protect us from ourselves in every regard.
Our women in Romania are maybe not the best but up there in the top for sure! U can look it up, we have the lowest divorce rate and one of the highest marriage rate in the world. This is because family matters to us.
Most of the time with this situation, the only people that are setting that expectation are the people themselves that think that they have to look like that. Like women blaming men for the unrealistic expectation, whenever the women are the ones that's doing it to themselves. And not the men and it's the same for men, women are not setting that standards for men, the men are setting that standards for themself for no reason, so say in the industry has a problem it's not the industry is the people themselves. Women thinking that they have to do all this makeup, and dress up in these certain clothes, getting plastic surgery whenever guys are saying hey you can just wear sweatpants and a jacket and you'll still look cute or sexy, but the women are setting a higher standard for themselves, in the same thing for guys thinking that you have to have abs like Chris Hemsworth we're having muscles like Arnold Schwarzenegger. P.S the only two that I know of that women have set the standard at least a lot of women not saying most is a man's height, or 🍆 size that is about the only part. And even then a ton of women aren't setting that standard, and I am not mentioning certain products, of the industry has tried to push on people, to try to lose weight, get a bigger 🍆 or to gain muscle mass, im purely talking about movies TV shows action figures things like that, but I think bodybuilder social media influencers, have a lot to do with the physical look anxiety, a lot of people have nowadays, more than what movies and TV shows. have
I think you are missing the point, they are not doing this to get whit someone, they do it to stop the anxiety of not being "perfect" derives, its a brainwashing and insecurities to a next level, not just wanting a couple.
With dreams I've always wanted to be an entertainer like the youtubers & vtubers I watch & I know I could do it if I give it s good try it's just going to be insanely competitive given the spaces & how many games & such have been played already & such & how not unique I'd be give most things havealrwsdu been done
Trying to be unique is a pitfall that many fall into. Just be yourself and follow your own enjoyment and you'll attract those who like the same. It doesn't matter if something has been done before, chances are many don't know it has been done before. If you want to pursue something, just do it and worry later 🧡
So when Paws says that she's not into muscle men I'm thinking so I have a chance, but in all seriousness thank you Paws for covering this video and I appreciate your compassion towards all people in these videos
I feel like even in the last year alone weve regressed back to the absolute harshest beauty standards. For example in video games and movies there is absolute outrage when women arent absolute 11/10 bombshells and its derided as the woke trying to make games ugly with less than supermodel women. Meanwhile men are rightfully upset about having to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger mixed with thor from the marvel movies to be considered actually attractive (or a femboy take your pick) In the current day only outrage against one impossible beauty standard is valid, the other is expected to have outrage to reinforce it. I just came here from another vtuber reacting to a video about how women cant make videogames because they make ugly games and the first point they agreed with was that all games should look like stellar blade and if women dont want to depict women in media like that then they shouldnt be allowed to make anything.
Gonna say only one thing to all the people that say "stop pausing": shut the hell up if you want to watch the video go to the original. React content entails the content creator to pause and add their commentary
Yeah it's good to have an ideal BUT just because you don't have a Lamborghini or a Gigachad physique. Doesn't mean ur worthless👍🏻Also I can't count how many women go with ugly guys. It's all about inner unfiltered CONFIDENCE
"Woman don't want us because we're not physically fit" Is exactly the 'incel' mind set and the 'body dysmorphia' mind set. And that's something that I think is very interesting. Because, they are two groups you wouldn't associate with each other, but are linked by this core philosophy
I think women pursuing men 6ft and up is fantastic, they filter themselves out and wont waste average blokes time.
Maaaan but i dont wanna deal with em either
Don’t say we never did you no favors.
@@ivorprivatamlug4648this is a genuinely hilarious reaction to the comment
Nah, then they just waste the time of those 6'+, and simultaneously limit the dating pool for everyone else thus increasing competition amongst fellow men. It's games, games, games all the way down. I'd argue it is/can be unhealthy.
Unfortunately it's not that simple.
Women are easily influenced and their terminally online social media behavior has the ones seeking these traits influencing more and more women over time.
It's why women make terrible leaders, they don't lead by nature, they direct the ones who are leading with various forms of manipulation, when they don't have a leader to do that too like on social media they all start behaving like a pack going in circles and raising the standards each revolution, tgey literally are out bidding each other with standards. and thats why we now have this incredibly distorted list of what men should be and should have to be "worthy" of them.
It's the worst possible combination of delusion, narcissism and entitlement that's just going to continue growing until the average classless influencer will be just average women in general.
Either something drastic changes or we are looking at a situation shockingly similar to Rome in its final years.
16:40 While that's definitely a valid thing to say, the problem with body dysmorphia is that the person demanding you change so that they love you is YOURSELF.
When it's other people telling you you need to change if you want to date them, yeah, don't do it. When you're the one spending every day telling you that you're not good enough and never will be . . . well, game over, man. Game over. If you don't love yourself, you're done for.
I'm not my type
@@BarachielGaming It's ok bro. I hate myself too.
This is why i always think its funny to hear women talk about their "unrealistic" standards, when no woman is expected to be at least 3 inches over the average height for their sex, to make at least 25% more than the national average salary every year, and to have a physique that requires a rigorous diet and several years of intense training to attain. Hell nowadays, you're considered sexist if you dont date a 250 pound woman with no life skills. So id go so far as to say that it's only societally acceptable for women to have standards for men now.
Bro, I never met people in real life, who will bash you for not wanting to date overweight person. Yes, there are a people, who scream this on twitter, but it isn't how reality works
🥶💯Wallahi I'm cooked 🗣️🔥
Bro. Agree 100 💯. I don’t feel bad for woman as much as I do for men. Your height, your private part size, your income, your muscular physique are things you have to work for or be blessed with. A lot of hard work to be an attractive man. And even then the attractive women still think their above you or better than you. Most guys like most women. Most women don’t like most guys.
its not just a physique that would require years of intense training but often one that is only obtainable with steroids.
@@AndrewTheFrankThis. It's not the work and time sink themselves. It's the body destroying steroids that let you obtain naturally impossible bodies of Hollywood stars at the cost of wrecking your hormones and shaving off 10 years off your life span. Women aren't expected to get on chemicals, mess with their bone structure or waste years obtaining a good, stable career. All they have to do is to not be a fat b*tch, be clean/presentable and know basic housekeeping skills. That baseline level of requirements do not cut it for men. If you ain't the top 10 percent, in a lot of cases it's game over
It's weird hearing a reasonable take on the internet.
Fells like being in the twilight zone doesn't it?
Twitter would hate it. 🤣
It's weirder that I've seen it repeatedly, and it seems to always be from Vtubers. Do sane people wear digital masks as just a common habit?
@@johnj.spurgin7037 Yes. In this day and age it's extremely dangerous to show your actual face on the regular because if you grab the wrong person's attention, you could be deep-faked.
@@o-mangaming5042 very valid point. Honestly, IDKL if I want to try Vtubing, but it seems too expensive to be worth doing it casually.
I've been addicted to exercising for the last 15 years. Severe body dysmorphia, I feel disgustingly fat even though I'm about 12-15% body fat, I get intense spiraling depression if I miss more than a day or two of working out and feel like I'm losing all my progress even though I logically understand muscles don't atrophy until at least 2 weeks of non-use.
But even with all those issues, I've NEVER thought of doing steroids. Seeing teenagers, TEENAGERS, doing tren, it makes me sick. I'm so worried about the future state of young men.
Tell that to a shrink, not YT comments, those guys can actually help.
@@Mr.Heller someone didn't read my whole message, my problems aren't the point of what I was saying, they were just giving context for my thoughts on today's young men.
@@thegreatchrispy I did read it, and I'm telling you to go see a doctor if you have such problems. Your point is irrelevant if you're not smart enough to take care of your own psyche.
@@Mr.Heller 12 year old detected
10-15% is great. Just stick to your exercise and be reasonable about it.
You are not fat.
5 time olympia winner, "Dadbod"
It's an understatement that social media that has ruined SO MANY aspects of people's thought process
The height thing isn't just about dating, but rather that people in general are much less likely to take you serious or they'll think you're gonna be a school shooter.
Having buff action figures isnt an issue. The issue is that people lie about steroids
Definitely, those action figures are things many boys turn into role models. “I want to look like that” especially since they are cool characters. You know GI Joe, Arnold in The Terminator and Leonidas in 300 are all positive images for men to aspire to be in shape, healthy, teaches them discipline and improves their self esteem / confidence in their image. All this can be said for woman too media needs to embrace femininity and fitness for them too, instead of being hellbent on ambiguity. 100% media should be centered around an image that is broadly healthy for most individuals, not roided out or borderline obese.
@@RogueAdmiral You clearly do not understand how entertainment and advertisement works. Nobody is buying average healthy beauty standards.
Personal advice, take it if you want: Don't let anyone decide what's your value as a person. Just by being a person you are priceless and only you can decide how you want to build your life. It's very posible you find people who naturally alings with you and shares some common points with you and that will be better than forcing yourself to fit in certain groups to be accepted. You are all kings and queens, and as such you guys bow to no one. Just make sure you are not hurting people or your selfs, because no one has the right to hurt anyone. Respect yourselfs and respect others. Have a nice day
Worthless nonsense
25:04
Most don’t simply fall for the trap, they willingly jump into its arms. Spite is the emotion with the most drive, the most action, bar none.
The height isssue i find to be so stupid. Sorry none of us short guys can't change our height. Im a 29 male who is roughly 5 ft 2 to 5 ft 3 and I always get rejected even from women around my height or a little taller or a little shorter then me.
Height is a dumb factor for dating. I get having a prefrence but if height is a serious issue in your eyes then you need to battle those demons.
It hurts right away with getting rejected for my height but I'm glad that I was rejected because it shows me how insurce they are about the height of the guy they are dating.
People always look for issues man. I'm 5'10 and I get shit for being "the minimum" or "the average". It's insane
@@Thanaroa Its nuts anymore
I'm 6'2 and I've had 5'5 women thinking I'm shorter than them until they realized their hand struggled to reach the top of my head, because I am bulky.
Do not worry about height, worry about your frame, that's what's important.
One thing of worry is that for the handful you see on Hollywood films that are jacked with a ton of mucle and awesome definition that inspire the "ideal male look" hundreds of thousands worldwide die before their 50s chasing that look. They do too much and their bodies can't handle it. I have no real dog in this issue, yet I can relate. I'm a fat guy Standing on the opposite end of the spectrum, I am aware that both extremes are harmful to overall health and life expectancy. Not too fat, not too thin, and not too muscle bound either. That is where the true balance lies.
of all those, momoa looks the most normal, tbh.
21:03 this woman started talking to me after wishing me happy birthday on a birthday post I made for friends on this app, she told me she likes fat men and she wants to meet in person to see how fat I am after I said I was 160lbs. I run half marathons on a whim, I am not fat I just have a disorder that detaches my abs so they hang out and look like fat. 30:45 we blame the manufacturer when there is lead in paint, food, gas, but when it’s a media page? We blame the consumer for only being sold garbage for some reason. Most people are too stupid to understand what’s being done to them by lead poisoning, same thing by media poisoning. 54:10 cortisol is generated by physical and mental stress. Your body will process cortisol as part of the healing process after a workout. If you do not chill out, you will literally get less gains due to increased cortisol
I mean, it's not that complicated. Never compare your body to somebody who's job it is to have a good body.
Shockingly it's easier to have a good body when it's your fucking job.
I'm gone from home 55 hours/week working.(pauses and transport included). Shockingly I have other shit to do.
I work out enough to be HEALTHY which is a hell of a lot more important to me. I want to sit on the beach in Spain when I'm 80 having a glass of wine.
In the case of men it's not about them comparing themselves to those people, but the average woman comparing them to those people.
@@TheBayzent Rofl. The average women is more interested in somebody with a dad body compared to those freaks in my experience. Nah, this is a man thing. Similar to how women get insecure because of how models and such look. That tiny portion that want those extremes are such a small fraction that it's not really relevant.
People thinking the other gender wants that ideal on the other hand is of course common.
"it just a matter of time before the tactic works against you" Paws2024
Dem give me chills
Speaking as a short guy (5'4") approaching 30, it took a long time to get over the insecurity of being short.
Even to this day, I still get teased and made fun of for it, sometimes in good fun, but other times not. It's one of the easiest insecurities to exploit for men, and it's a nerve that stays raw to the touch because it gets poked so often.
Accepting that the people who mock you for such things aren't worth your time is easy, but after being beaten with the same club so often, you start to hate yourself, and that drives people to take such drastic measures to change what they hate seeing in the mirror.
A great example of marketing using propaganda also involving cigarettes, I've seen these ads in Indonesia that say "Warriors don't quit" advertising a masculine image smoking a cigarette. It's super fucked and from the outside you can see the deception, but you say something to somebody enough times and they start to internalize it or believe it's true.
39:11 Enjoyable video but I have literally never, under any circumstance, heard somebody say this. The conversation usually turns to gun laws and politics, I have never heard somebody just be outright dismissive towards a school shooting.
One sad part is that even IF you do not believe in common body standards for what is attractive... it can be very difficult to find other people who also do not believe such things. Or if your chosen career blatantly or even slightly relies on meeting such standards, that you do not even agree with, can be extra rough.
Unrealistic standard for men: Dehydrated super muscular body.
Unrealistic standard for women: Don't be fat.
Totally the same thing.
Don't be morbidly obese. Being thicc is fine. All that men are actually asking for is for women who can take a long walk on the beach and not be breathing like a pug after two steps.
Body positivity for women : We love breasts of all shape and sizes! Celebrate differences in all women!
Body positivity for men: OMG he has Small PP energy
or, unrealistic beauty standards that guys like - a fitness figure, even without abs (achievable)
but when a girl wants her boyfriend to be at least 180 centimeters (5.8) feet tall, - this is a normal desire (something that cannot be changed)
Soft wiggly ears heal my self esteem ❤
Apparently some women think "dad bod" just means your abs arent chiseled
I've been made fun of because I didn't have a whole lot of muscle, I'm 140lbs and 6'0", kind of a given. I'm thankful that I've managed to avoid going down this rabbit hole. That doesn't mean that I don't have body dysmorphia. I always feel like I should be doing more. I always feel like I'm not good enough. I've been training in Muay Thai my entire life and I may not have much, but everything I have on my is muscle. I constantly feel like I don't look good. It's hell. I'm only 17. I'm going into my senior year of high school and I'm thinking about starting creatine, nothing more, though.
Don't worry, you tall and young.
And as you say do combat sports.
You have plenty of time to build the physic that you want.
If you want to put on some size , just must count your daily kkal and macros.
Eat plenty of protein and eat about 200 kkal+ of your maintenance lvl.
26:35 For the most part when it comes to bodybuilders it's the judges warped perception of what looks good that drives the insanity in that field. If they can't see muscle fibers you loose points pretty much.
i had the oposite problem shut people out too much and dont care what they think . now i dont know anymore how to make friends or have fun with other people.
The thing that I still can't really wrap my head around, is the fact that this "twisted" perception in the general public, both for men and women of so called "body standards",
while not being new, definitely blew up big in the last 2 decades. Back when I was a teenager, everybody knew that supermodels and bodybuilders weren't a "normal" thing.
They were over the top on every level. And people knew that it can be very unhealthy. Not to mention that you definitely need a certain genetic foundation
and lots of self discipline if you want to achieve and maintain such a body. And lets not forget, most people like that usually make money with their bodies!
They keep an extreme level of self discipline to perfect an already unusually rare body type to make a living.
But look at today. We are actually talking about _"unrealistic body standards"_ in this case on one side, but normalize it at the same time? What an abstruse nonsense!
Not only aren't body types like this unrealistic but extremely rare, which is a huge difference. But no one in his right mind would call this a standard, by any stretch!
Yet for some reason, now your average Joe and Jane believe they can and need pull this off. And not only that. The second they realize how hard this really is,
they reach for drugs without second guessing it, or drift into bulimia or other eating disorders. And the media? They too are "normalizing" this trend
even stronger then ever before.
Sorry, but I really have no sympathy for this. It's good if one wants to stay healthy, eat well and go to the gym to stay fit. I'm all into that.
But normalizing this extreme kind of behavior is really a new dimension of stupidity. 😩
Keep up the good work Paws. Love seeing a Vtuber not afraid of important topics and thoughtful videos.
Preach 🙏 also while some people might not like the fact that you pause so much, I enjoy hearing your thoughts on the topic which also adds to the reactions instead of taking away 👍
That woman with a tiny waist is a real thing, they wear corsets and tighten them over time, last time I checked the world record was a 15 inch waist while wearing a corset.
That stuff is so gross...
@@TheBreadbear It's like women saw those women who stretch there necks with rings and took it as a challenge.
@@Rezuvious I still think that foot binding is one of the worst of the "beauty" body modifications.
For those who don't know, it involves breaking and then tightly binding the feet of girls form a very young age (4 to 6 years old) for many years so they can have smaller feet.
@@en-men-lu-ana6870 holy crap thats insane
To your point about action figures being muscly men and attractive women. Yes, it has been a thing forever, but let's be intellectually honest enough to admit that attractive female characters are being discouraged if not outright forbidden while the 6'10 350 pound solid muscle male figure is still acceptable. Depicting a female character as slim and curvy with a tight outfit is enough to have people try to get you fired from your job and harass your family, while the shirtless super soldier with 12 pack abs is still normal. I'm just pointing out a double standard, im not advocating for all characters depicted in media to be amorphous blobs.
Honestly, i'm not the tallest. i'm 5"5'(166cm) and at my height, i've had more tall (5ft10+) girlfriends than short ones.
I have no idea how it happened. But all i know is that i treat everyone i meet with a baseline respect and react according to the respect i'm given.
i'm not that good lookin' even. i'm just confident in who i am and enjoy getting to know people for who they are.
Even Arnold Schwarzenegger says modern body building is disgusting.
Welcome to Universe 25 guys ( btw, react to that experiment, it explains a LOT about the world of today )
Both men and women have been subjected to unhealthy and unrealistic beauty standards throughout the ages. But the emphasis has always been on encouraging women to defy those standards, even to redefine them. We're only just now talking about men doing the same thing.
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Botton line: if you go to the gym, do it because there's something you love doing there. I take boxing training courses and do muscle work because I feel better afterwards.
Also I shave my head on purpose out of spite of fashion trends 😂
There is this guy that goes to the grocery store near me, hes absolutely stacked, wide as a car, covered in tattoos, real manly shit. Im just like damn thats a guy who is incredibly unhappy with his body
15:20 Yes, you are right, but in most cases, we are judged by our appearance, and only then if you have attracted the attention of a girl, she can start talking to you to find out what kind of person you are by character.
So yes, appearance is very important for guys nowadays, without a good introduction of yourself, no girl will want to get to know you better.
When polled, 60% of men regularly attending the gym admitted to using steroids.
What i personally find unrealistic whenever i go to gym is that i, out of all of people stand out very much cuz i dont use supplements to build my own physique, like protein and creatine.
I mean, yeah protein adds to muscle strength and maybe i will consider using it, but not creatine as it only forces liquid to gather into muscle and you must keep using it otherwise you will just have excess ugly skin where muscle once was cuz water got absorbed by the body.
I personally dont use anything and i just eat meals that are unrelated to building muscle mass or anything like that, so its like pretty basic diet as any of us have, like potato, paprika, onions, maybe chicken, sometimes pizza or hamburger, you know just basic stuff that we generally eat, so no strict diet.
And in complete honesty, none of them will ever admit they do it to get more girls, rather they will say they do it for themselves. Also fun fact, and i dont know why, even though some of them are going to such extremes in training i still can topple their hands whenever we do such casual contests for fun. Im not bragging, dont take me wrong but it is weird, and just having aesthetics but no strength out of it is such a waste of immense amount of money.
Edit: My physique is nowhere near perfect and no i dont have very exposed muscles that obviously should be more expressed, but that is because i dont use supplements at all, and i train about 1-2h every 2 days depending on how i feel like. And also i work in metal industry as welder and go on terrain to assemble stuff that is heavy, ranging from 10kg-130kg a piece.
From my experience women will say they don't like guys with muscles or body builders but they will give such guys 100x more attention than the guys they say they much rather prefer.
Thankfully my mom and her parents taught me to think for myself and to have critical thinking. For me personally I'm not interested in body building, but it's a healthy thing to at least be in shape from keeping up an exercise routine. And balancing your diet, not to mention taking some downtime to relax. It's good to have a balance of staying in shape and not pushing yourself too much. Recently I hate the propaganda to see obesity as "beautiful" when it's also unhealthy and most other men I've talked to see obesity as ugly and unattractive, most women I've talked to agree with them. It's unhealthy to go to any extreme with your health, surgery is also an extreme that people take too far
16:17 I agree, anyone who acts and/or thinks this way is not worth the time, have self respect, because how do you really think they would treat you?
15:30 it’s a good message but the issue I always find with it is even if you say that to yourself you can’t always abide by that because if you love someone enough you will change for them because you seek their approval and affection so you’ll change to gain that that’s the problem
Remember when I first watched this one. It horrified me then and still does.
I kinda disliked hollywood and popular society before, but this video turned that dislike into loathing. How many parents had to bury their sons because of these lies?
And then to realize that the dating market is so wildly skewed by something as vapid as skin-deep beauty... is it any wonder men have walked away?
And to know that such standards are pushed in part to make money for massive companies!?
I have been going down the hole myself, not to anything extreme, because I stopped myself when I noticed I started to think that way, that I needed to get more buff mainly.
When I started going to the gym a few years ago, it was to help my back that I destroyed a good while back. And that turned into getting better health in general, but as time went, I noticed I got into my head that I had to get bigger, more buff, get the fat % down to x amount etc. etc. It just never stopped, and I asked myself, why am I doing this? For who am I going this far for?
That is when it was no longer for me, but my view from others of what I should be instead was the focus.
I am not here to bash gym and getting into better shape, but to a degree as with all things in life. Ask yourself what goal you have, if you have to become insanely buff, you do you. But know what kind of world you are getting into.
For me, atm, I am quite happy with my body overall, just need to loose weight. After going to the gym for a good amount of years (I have gone 3-4 days a week, 3-4 hours every time for 4-5 years), I can say one thing, to mantain the body you build, you have to keep going at it, and it is time consuming and demanding, if you have a regular job and want time with your family, it might not be something worth even considering.
But as long as you don't hurt anybody, you do you.
But I will say that the view of what the male body should be, is insane to me. It is no wonder a regular dude more or less gives up on the prospect of even dating, I see this with myself to a degree, but especially friends, 3 of them have this mentality that they need to be x height, need to be this buff, need to have this jawline etc. etc. And I don't think women are helping in changing that much.
I cannot speak on behalf of women since I am not one, but to me it seems just the notion of giving compliments to dudes is not a thing, in fact, I see way more badmouthing rather than anything nice being said. And it is not a meme that men will remember that one time in school they got a compliment and that keeps them going sometimes. Because it is that fucking rare. And that tears on your mental healthbeing, I myself have struggled, and to the point I developed gynophobia because of all the badmouthing.
Also, not here to bash women either, just my personal view. In general I rather, like Paws here, just view people as people. Just treating people like people and giving compliments when you can and if you are at the gym, just saying hello and goodbye to strangers can be uplifting, depends on the gym/place ofc.
Now, when it comes to the view people have on the male body, think a massive issue is people online stating they are natty (natural, no steroids), when in fact they are not, are a massive issue that portray a body standard that should not even be there tbh. I have gotten guys that are 16-17 going up to me wondering if I had roids on me, when stuff like that happens, I think something is really effing wrong. And this view on the body, both male and female I might add, it just gets younger and younger as it has gone. I have a niece that is 9 that is talking about it. Fucking 9. They are supposed to play and enjoy life, not sitting and wondering if their body is right. Wtf. It legit makes me both sad and kinda mad that this is the way of things now.
This became a bit of a rant. But this is something I care about. I might edit things when I get back later.
its an unironic twist that the campaign of breaking the social taboo of "dont judge a book by its cover" has led to everyone judging success only by appearance. everyone wants to look like runway models in pageants and fashion shows who probably have more money put into their bodies than the average person has in their HOUSE to keep that appearance up. and male actors that have to binge and purge, and take steroids, and they work a full time job at the gym basically chasing a specific muscle definition or tone for a 20 minute scene in a movie.
we have a culture focused on hero worship and celebrity and when we told everyone not to judge a book by its cover everyone tried to look past it but nobody ever got the message. "im not judging them by their appearance im judging them by their success and looking like this is what led to their success"
thats how it comes off to me at least. weve just rearranged the order everyone considers things in. everyone is still focused on superficial things
12:56 Bro looks like someone spammed 'Randomize' for every category in the character creator.
I watched Dragon Ball and never tried to be like the Sayans, there are more things at work affecting men, women are more affected visually, men are not. I think what makes men seek this standard is that they believe they will be able to find a wife like that, which is not the case. "hook up culture" is not a culture of men, it is a culture of 90% of the women and 10% of the men passing them around.
But a lot of men want a partner and they for some strange reason think that if they get the perfect body they will find one. I live in a really small city, there are a good amount of good women to marry here, but big cities, and some more "liberal countries" it is for sure harder, the reason they don't find wives is because most modern women can't be wives, and they simply think the problem is themselves or their bodies.
Equivalent of asking someone what food should you eat or order from other people
I get why guys do this stuff and why this ideal is chased. As someone who was formerly fat and is now semi lean with muscle I can say that people treat you way differently after the change. You go from, at worst, being treated like trash, bot at best having your existence ignored, to all of a sudden everyone wants to socialize with you. All of a sudden guys want to be your friend girls start treating you like a human being. In some cases even showing romantic interest.
People will try to rationalize it as you having a different or better personality but from my own experience, and that of others, the only change we receive is from others externally treating us better which probably leads us to being happier or more up beat. Aside from that there is effectively no change. We still feel like the same person but are being treated differently. It really shows how shallow most people are.
It also can cause you to have a kind of high. getting attention where there was none before can cause one to push to an extreme to attempt to amp the attention further.
And that's just one thing that's absolutely abusive about the culture and society we build. It's all driving society crazy. And then we wonder "how could this happen?" when a conga line of horrible events waltz on the stage.
Bodybuilding is terrible, if you see the Full Natural Tested competition they literally look all normal, with normal muscles.
I have friends that say "they need to train like Arnold to be big" I said to them a lot of times: Arnold would be in a wheelchair if he didn't had the money he has, you are destroying your body. They never care, they seem like zombies.
I knew Paws had a good heart.
I think weve lost a lot of the good teachers, when i was in school the teachers were great except for the few who would only dictate to you and get mad about questions, say they werent there to teach you but to get paid etc.
I think thats become more of the norm now as so many teachers dont consider it worth it to teach. Why would you when you dont get paid well, the kids have never behaved very well and are worse with social media and society at large absolutely hates teachers. The most common perspective of educators is that of brainwashhers forcing government ideals into your kids rather than understanding education and wanting kids to be taught blind ideology. When you want kids to believe off of faith rather than logic and reason of course theyre gonna take what they see in media as faith and theyll believe it and apply it to themselves.
It gets to a point where your self-esteem is so bad that this is how cosmetic surgery makes it's money.
Breaking their legs for men are the boob augmentation, the Brazilian butt implant, the lips filler of the women.
It is a social mental issue that needs to be addressed.
I have body dysmorphia. Except i can't ever live up to any of the expectations i am given.
My body constantly works at two times faster than normal. Yet i suffer with an eating disorder. My mind and society are destroying me because i need to eat twice as much but my brain doesn't let me because of the dysmorphia i was given. Even when i try to get muscular i cant because my body burns away what is needed for muscle.
The problem isn't that these guys are changing for other people but rather they have been repeatedly hammered on all sides that the exaggerated muscular look is the key to success so they look for any shortcuts they can buy when the actual key is the mindset and discipline you obtain by doing the work naturally.
I don't feel good trying to be in shape but I'm not feeling good if not being in shape.
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I blame comic books. "Marvel was always cut"
#marvelwasalwayscut
I don't understand why there is a "beauty standard" when people comprehend beauty differently it's like that old saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder and most of us are ugly on the inside 😐
I think ideal to pursue - always a good thing, we just need to tone down this ideal... not so that 0.00001% of men can be perceived as a model to strife for, but like 10% of men body standard (nowadays) as a model for media to promote (ads\models\mb movies etc). Like healthy (height and width to weight wise), a bit muscular if your body constitution allow it (coz you can be thin and rly struggle to have some visible muscles) and groomed (not model-like, but simply clean)... That will be one "body type" for example, another one is "thin" (+all above mentioned) and third one "a bit chubby" (+all above), but not an obese-like. Those 3 body-types will be good enough IMO... it's not that radical and high of a standard and so it will not encounter that much of a push back too.
paws being mocked for her height is something completely ridiculous, to me at least. both my sisters for example are taller and probably more muscular than her (although our smallest sibling was called a giraffe sometimes).
this is by no means an attempt of consolation from me. ive just encountered many women taller than 1,8 meters close to being 2 meters in height and consider that attribute as one of attractiveness.
The problem isn't that these guys are changing for other people but rather they have been repeatedly hammered on all sides that the exaggerated muscular look is the key to success that they believe it themselves, so they look for any shortcuts they can buy when the actual key is the mindset and discipline you obtain by doing the work naturally.
Personally I can't be asked to do more exercise than it takes to make sure I can keep moving properly for work and the future, beyond that I love food and gaming so until I get my VR game station fully kitted I'll be stuck with a bit of a gut because I don't have anyone in my life that'll appreciate the work it takes to get really lean.
Marketing is a frick up game that actually takes lives.
It really is frustrating.
Also, I loathe the "create the problem to sell the solution" mentality in society. It's freaking evil.
This is a whole new level of messed up and disturbing
Unfortunately, the world is very shallow. I'm fairly sure that if I was as jacked as my classmates 30 years ago, and remained so? There's always the thought that maybe people wouldn't have tried to take advantage of me or do wrong or harm to me.
When it comes to dating and attraction? No one ever loves you for who you really are when you're just trying to get a date.
Edit: Sorry in case you read this. In hindsight i feel like i was rude, but feel like i shouldn't just delete my comment, cause i said it, so its better to apologize for the attitude, but be clear about the reason for the apology. I've just seen so many times on social media people doubt somethings validity without any evidence to support the disbelief and remark their disbelief based on a feeling as a reality. It's just one of my pet peeves. But it doesn't matter, im one faceless among a sea of insignificant masses. Just wanted to state my apology for my tone, cause i regret the thought of a possibility of negatively impacting someones day. I do like your content and personality.
Original message: 24:50 Im annoyed when people say something online is fake only when its convenient. Please do demonstrate why something is fake, rather than just saying "Because i said so!" There's plenty of unbelievable things happening in the world that are not faked, people look really unintelligent saying "tHAtS fAKe" then have it turn out it wasn't, and someones opinion or personal preference on physique is far from the most unbelievable thing.
The most watched marvel movies by women was Thor love and thunder and captain america and it was the ones where Thor and captain america were almost or fully nude, it had a higher female audience than any other superhero movies for the past decade, that isn't a coincidence, women can say they don't like the body building aesthetic but the majority will lust over it even if only in fantasy and men see this and we want to be what women desire
Hell look at Magic Mike, literally a movie that made almost a billion dollars by have jacked male strippers
There's a video on a similar topic might help get some insight called "Why Gen-Z took the Black Pill" by Art Chad.
I usually like your takes and I especially love your takes in this video. It has always baffled me how people claim they have to be xy to get a partner - you're not getting a partner, you get someone who likes one part of you that you create to please them. That is utterly stupid and never worth it. You do not "love" that person because that person is an ahole, you feel physical attraction or they are popular and want to be popular too - love is something you can only do to a person as a whole, their personality, how they treat you, how they treat others. So much of the west is just about wanting to have somebody you are physically attracted to and who others find attractive around you to compliment you as a "partner".
Another thing that always baffles me that people do not understand - the market is built around creating needs. If you only have basic needs met there is no eternal infinite growth and profits. You need to create markets and needs you can sell to. And you do that by making people feel insecure, missing out, not being enough themselves - that's a tale as old markets. Who is the most easily made feel insecure and needing stuff to feel accepted and fit in? People who don't have a personality yet and are vulnerable and developing, teens and kids and young adults. In my youth it was designer clothes you had to have or were ostracized in school, then it was phones, makeup, food etc. The internet just accelerated it and the target got ever younger, not just young adults/youth anymore but young kids bugging their parents to buy them shit. Then you had planned obsolescence so people buy new shit, reduced warranties, no more repairability, no more ownership only use license, etcpp - everything around us is made to create needs and demands to make us consume.
There's no such thing as a person without a personality
certainly. maybe i worded it badly as an esl, what i meant to say is you don't "know" a person unless you spend a long time with them, go from friends to lovers, and when they expect you to earn 6 figures and be > 6ft their personality is shallow and not worth loving - or treating you like shit for having feelings or "not being a man". i did not mean to say they don't have a personality, just not a personality worth loving - and to really get to know a person and start loving them for their personality that takes months and years
Yep thay are unrealistic
But we can take pride in even geting one step closer
*Paws talking about height* ... but Randy Newman told me that short people aint got no reason to live...
(i know that's not what the song is about, but it's still funny to me, being a short guy)
What motivates me to work out and being strong is looking at chimpanzee videos
Standard more like a guaranteed requirement otherwise you're invisible let alone not having money or 6 in let's be honest 🤣...
Unrealistic body standards are a social problem for both genders. I'd just want my SO to be healthy. :(
Beauty is skin-deep. Personality means so much more, and... I don't think I'd survive my SO dying on me, so there's that.
If someone only loved me or considered me dateable because I'm handsome... what kind foundation for a relationship is that?
Unfortunately the amount of shallow people is a little to many nowadays to be comfortable .
I see nothing wrong with a man wanting to improve his physique and health, where I draw the line is when they obsess over it and it starts to consume their life and it becomes the only thing that drives them, especially when they start abusing steroids in order to reach the next level by being able to train even harder for longer.
it's not just for being attractive to women. our own self image and our image to other guys drive us to aim for the impossible physique. its frustrating whenever men's self issues are brought up, women have to be involved so inject themselves into the problem even though it doesn't point anything at them at all. let men speak their problems without comparing them to women
Also, i don't get why paws would call the examples the creator of the video brought up, such as the guy asking the girls about body types, fake. this is not a court trial on whether or not men's body dysmorphia is real. it's about what is affecting it and how they do so.
It not that it exists that it bad it that men are told if they do not look like a body builder that they are unhealthy and need to get into shape 3:25
Problem is, how do you hold advertisements accountable for their influence on someone if (they didn't lie, and) you hold them as adults who can make their own choices. These are incompatible. Either you are responsible for your actions, or someone else is and you need a pseudo-parent to guide your actions in life.
Chat... what was you F1RST language
Mine was Mother Russian. Then I was 2 or 3 and learnt English.
I still disagree with what she says at the end , we are not children there is responsibility on each ADULT to not fall for things , if not well then lets pack it up and forget about freedoms , Papa/Mama gobernment/society should make decisions for us and protect us from ourselves in every regard.
Our women in Romania are maybe not the best but up there in the top for sure! U can look it up, we have the lowest divorce rate and one of the highest marriage rate in the world. This is because family matters to us.
Most of the time with this situation, the only people that are setting that expectation are the people themselves that think that they have to look like that.
Like women blaming men for the unrealistic expectation, whenever the women are the ones that's doing it to themselves. And not the men and it's the same for men, women are not setting that standards for men, the men are setting that standards for themself for no reason, so say in the industry has a problem it's not the industry is the people themselves.
Women thinking that they have to do all this makeup, and dress up in these certain clothes, getting plastic surgery whenever guys are saying hey you can just wear sweatpants and a jacket and you'll still look cute or sexy, but the women are setting a higher standard for themselves, in the same thing for guys thinking that you have to have abs like Chris Hemsworth we're having muscles like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
P.S the only two that I know of that women have set the standard at least a lot of women not saying most is a man's height, or 🍆 size that is about the only part. And even then a ton of women aren't setting that standard, and I am not mentioning certain products, of the industry has tried to push on people, to try to lose weight, get a bigger 🍆 or to gain muscle mass, im purely talking about movies TV shows action figures things like that, but I think bodybuilder social media influencers, have a lot to do with the physical look anxiety, a lot of people have nowadays, more than what movies and TV shows. have
I think you are missing the point, they are not doing this to get whit someone, they do it to stop the anxiety of not being "perfect" derives, its a brainwashing and insecurities to a next level, not just wanting a couple.
all celebs and toys look like that, must be normal
Great video paw
With dreams I've always wanted to be an entertainer like the youtubers & vtubers I watch & I know I could do it if I give it s good try it's just going to be insanely competitive given the spaces & how many games & such have been played already & such & how not unique I'd be give most things havealrwsdu been done
Trying to be unique is a pitfall that many fall into. Just be yourself and follow your own enjoyment and you'll attract those who like the same. It doesn't matter if something has been done before, chances are many don't know it has been done before. If you want to pursue something, just do it and worry later 🧡
The greek statues were statues of real athletes.
Those were what people looked like/inspired to look like.
Its not unreasonable
So when Paws says that she's not into muscle men I'm thinking so I have a chance, but in all seriousness thank you Paws for covering this video and I appreciate your compassion towards all people in these videos
i wonder how much of the man vs bear videos are staged
Dang man im early, im sure this will be a good video!
I feel like even in the last year alone weve regressed back to the absolute harshest beauty standards.
For example in video games and movies there is absolute outrage when women arent absolute 11/10 bombshells and its derided as the woke trying to make games ugly with less than supermodel women.
Meanwhile men are rightfully upset about having to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger mixed with thor from the marvel movies to be considered actually attractive (or a femboy take your pick)
In the current day only outrage against one impossible beauty standard is valid, the other is expected to have outrage to reinforce it.
I just came here from another vtuber reacting to a video about how women cant make videogames because they make ugly games and the first point they agreed with was that all games should look like stellar blade and if women dont want to depict women in media like that then they shouldnt be allowed to make anything.
What garbage are you typing?
Gonna say only one thing to all the people that say "stop pausing": shut the hell up if you want to watch the video go to the original. React content entails the content creator to pause and add their commentary
Im sorry but she is wrong about those questions being staged. There are so many women who have that view.
This is similar to those who transition Into the opposite gender.
no that's just insanity not feeling inadequate
Yeah it's good to have an ideal BUT just because you don't have a Lamborghini or a Gigachad physique. Doesn't mean ur worthless👍🏻Also I can't count how many women go with ugly guys. It's all about inner unfiltered CONFIDENCE
You can do this but don't go nuts over it...
i hate models its fake expectations
"Woman don't want us because we're not physically fit" Is exactly the 'incel' mind set and the 'body dysmorphia' mind set.
And that's something that I think is very interesting. Because, they are two groups you wouldn't associate with each other, but are linked by this core philosophy