I Have Never Seen Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers

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  • Part two of our series on Peter Jackson's era-defining trilogy. This week we deep dive into the second film in The Lord of the Rings trilogy, The Two Towers.
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  • @lordpigster
    @lordpigster 4 ปีที่แล้ว +755

    Rest in piece Ian Holm, the actor who played Bilbo Baggins, his soul now rests in Valinor

    • @christineruggerone5435
      @christineruggerone5435 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I just found out the sad news from your comment. I am devastated...
      Farewell Mr. Holm, you will never be forgotten!

    • @jonnylater
      @jonnylater 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes, his legendary performance will never be forgotten o7

    • @OkamiG15
      @OkamiG15 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      White shores, and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.

    • @thesweyy5999
      @thesweyy5999 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "And he lived happily ever after 'til the end of his days."

  • @tirionwilliams7055
    @tirionwilliams7055 4 ปีที่แล้ว +721

    “It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to.” RIP Sir Ian Holm ❤️

    • @lsqspd
      @lsqspd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      What he died? Shit man .... RIP Ian Holm :( it's finally time for him to go into the West...

    • @thehunter7422
      @thehunter7422 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@lsqspd yep he just died today . I was pissed and sad at the same time . One of my favourite actors in the movies .

  • @violenceteacher6669
    @violenceteacher6669 4 ปีที่แล้ว +421

    Talks about the memes from Two Towers
    Doesn’t mention “They’re taking the hobbits to Isengard”

    • @kaelanirevyruun1676
      @kaelanirevyruun1676 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      The hobbits the hobbits the hobbits the hobbits to Isengard!

    • @pnutz_2
      @pnutz_2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@kaelanirevyruun1676 gard gargargar gard

    • @brokegeek2
      @brokegeek2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      what's he say?

    • @SkarrGaming
      @SkarrGaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@brokegeek2 The Hobbits, The Hobbits, The Hobbits, The Hobbits, To Isengard, To Isengard!

    • @bcbitchkkv
      @bcbitchkkv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Tell me, where is Gandalf? For I much desire to speak with him.

  • @MrNorbo95
    @MrNorbo95 4 ปีที่แล้ว +526

    In regards to the 'am I missing something?' question about Treebeard... you are... Treebeard wasn't aware of the level of deforestation and didn't believe Saruman would do such a thing. As he says 'a wizard should know better'. He's disgusted by the actions of someone he once considered a friend/ally- thus prompting him to attack.

    • @Korbie13
      @Korbie13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Additionally, IIRC the ents were already debating what to do in the books, and Merry & Pippin are more witnesses than catalysts; it was changed to give the hobbits more agency and demonstrate some growth in the second movie.

    • @TheGoldenFighter
      @TheGoldenFighter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      Yeah, that scene made me tear up the way his voice changes being just both angry and sad. Saruman killed not just the men...but the women, and the children too. Killed Saplings.

    • @powerofberzerker9487
      @powerofberzerker9487 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Ents are also really slow. It taakes a loooong tiime to saay anything in enntishh...

    • @MrRenanHappy
      @MrRenanHappy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@Korbie13 The hobbits are the catalysts in the book too, but a more minor one. They are the ones who give the full picture to Treebeard and sets him and the ents on the path to attack Isengard much earlier. I guess Merry and Pippin ended up needing a much larger role in the movies like this, because they don't have the Scouring of the Shire where they shine a lot more. I think it hurt how Treebeard was treated like an idiot though.

    • @glitterspray
      @glitterspray 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Ents are also extremely long-lived. They’ve watched (from afar) powers rise and fall over eons. They’re just not interested in jumping into every “man squabble.”

  • @EmoBearRights
    @EmoBearRights 4 ปีที่แล้ว +368

    My late dad and my brother actually cameo as orcs in this film or rather their voices do. They just happened to be at the cricket match Jackson where Jackson recorded the crowd roaring to get the sound effect of an invading hoard.

    • @z_monty
      @z_monty 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      That's great, never knew they used the sound of an ordinary crowd reacting for the hoard

    • @Rinesmyth
      @Rinesmyth 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's amazing and I envy them greatly

    • @ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock
      @ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'm surprised that there was enough sound at a cricket match lol. How did he wake the audience?

    • @EmoBearRights
      @EmoBearRights 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There's actually quite an euthiastic contingent called The Barmy Army who follow England all around the world and racously support them. Cricket actually inspires a lot of passion in some people it just doesn't get hijacked by holigans in the same way football does.

    • @AnakinTheWeird
      @AnakinTheWeird 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's hilarious

  • @franzkissel1369
    @franzkissel1369 4 ปีที่แล้ว +595

    No mention of Theoden, possibly the most shakespearean character in the trilogy with the most badass lines? Oh well, there's still RotK.

    • @Skip6235
      @Skip6235 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

      DEEEAAAATTTTTHHHHHH!!!!!!!

    • @Nisilsey
      @Nisilsey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

      his poem when he puts the armour on.... he's HAS to talk about that one. That scene is sooo epic.

    • @sieben710
      @sieben710 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      "and Rohan will answer!"

    • @Sanya6496
      @Sanya6496 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah. The most shakesperean character is right.

    • @danhalstead705
      @danhalstead705 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I felt the most Shakespearean character of the books was actually Denethor: one of my only complaints about the movies is how much they short-shrifted his character and the story of his tragic downfall.

  • @thegamegrumpsletsplayofmaj5727
    @thegamegrumpsletsplayofmaj5727 4 ปีที่แล้ว +350

    “Then I will die as one of them!”
    Rohan soldiers: 👁👁

    • @04nbod
      @04nbod 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      There is a reason we were talking elvish Aragorn....

    • @jenniferchough
      @jenniferchough 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That was a weird, out-of-character moment for me and pulled me right out. I get what Jackson was trying to convey with the dire quality of the situation and the fatalism that must have been pervasive at that moment for the characters but it seemed very uncharacteristic of Legolas to even say that in Elvish among the people and then, even worse, for Aragorn to respond in Common Speech when Elvish is just as natural for him. It's almost as if he did that on purpose but if that were the case, that means he either 1.) wanted to out Legolas as an asshole or 2.) wanted to undermine what little hope there may have been. I just didn't buy it for either of them. It's the only thing that I was at all dissatisfied with.

    • @04nbod
      @04nbod 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@jenniferchough I think that whole scene was about two things. Firstly, Legolas is afraid of Aragorn dying. He's seen Gandalf die, he's seen Boromir die, death is not a normal thing for Elves. The Hobbit expands on this with the family's trauma over his mother's death. Death is not natural to him. Secondly, I think they had him say it in Westron to emphasise Aragorn's allegiance to mankind. He was raised by Elrond among elves, his lover is an elf, his BFF is an elf, but if he is to be a King of Men then he has to set that part of him aside. He can never be an elf.

    • @lukeskywalker8543
      @lukeskywalker8543 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      👁👄👁

  • @jacksonscott3667
    @jacksonscott3667 4 ปีที่แล้ว +437

    Bookwise, Gandalf’s fight with the Balrog from the “lowest dungeon to the highest peak” was a week-long slugging match between two minor divinities. They traversed the barely travelled deep places of the world filled with unnamed things, up the Endless Stair to the mountain’s peak at Zirakzigil. After smoting it’s ruin on the mountainside, Gandalf succumbs to his injuries, only to be revived as Gandalf the White to complete his task. Gwahir (the chief of the fuckhuge Eagles) picks him up and takes him off the mountain.

    • @ard1805
      @ard1805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      He said he was gone for a long time, and he looked like he had a hard time remembering things as Gandalf the white, like he really had been gone a long time. What’s that about?
      Is it like travelling through space?

    • @adamkeller4489
      @adamkeller4489 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      It was sort of like astral projection. When he ‘died’ his consciousness existed outside the time and space of middle earth.

    • @xaonrider92
      @xaonrider92 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      When Gandalf said he died, he really did die. Gandalf the Grey is dead, and is not the same person as Gandalf the White. As he said in the movie (and I paraphrase cos idr the full line), he is Saruman as he should be, the White, Head of the wizards, the guiding hand to the forces of good in the oncoming conflicts. But he has the memories of Gandalf the Grey, which is why he seemed almost unfamiliar with the name of Gandalf until he went "oh right yeah thats me". In the book, the other fellowship members actually comment that he feels and acts a little different now than how he used to act before (as the Grey).

    • @xenxander
      @xenxander 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@ard1805 Ambiguous.
      Some think it's because his memories had to come back, and others think it's Gandalf being Gandalf as he did like to play pranks once in a while.
      So that's never explicitly addressed and I think it's brilliant.
      I think the only other prankster is Bombodil which was cut out of Fellowship altogether :(
      he could wear the ring with zero effect. As in, it didn't turn him invisible, and Sauron cannot see him when he wears it nor does it corrupt him.

    • @johnmcgovern6421
      @johnmcgovern6421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't forget while Gandalf was battling the Balrog he was wearing the elven ring of fire! JS 😀

  • @haladmirknowsbest
    @haladmirknowsbest 4 ปีที่แล้ว +361

    Gandalf is basically an angel. Same as Saruman, Sauron and the Balrog. He was sent back by Iluvatar, the god of this universe, to finish his mission

    • @joramsim
      @joramsim 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      + he has Narya, the elven ring of fire (thats probably how he could withstand the balrogs heat)

    • @tylerbaker2405
      @tylerbaker2405 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@joramsim he also has an affinity for fire magic in the books. At one point before Moria they are being pursued by wargs and Gandalf basically burns the forest down around them to take out their pursuers.

    • @goji3755
      @goji3755 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      There angelic nature also helps somewhat characterize the way they use magic. Angels in most religions are given the role of messengers of the divine, tasked with imparting upon mortals the will of their gods, rallying people to stand against evil, and generally acting as support for the virtuous heroes of a given story - but very seldom getting directly involved in combat.
      To this end, Gandalf is rarely seen using his magic to directly attack anything. He has his staff fight with Saruman where both characters employ only a small amount of their power (an Istari slap fight, if anything), but beyond that, the closest things we ever see to a magical ATTACK by Gandalf are him lighting the pincones on fire to keep the warg pack at bay, and calling lightning down upon his sword in his fight with the Balrog which could be interpreted as direct intervention by the gods of Tolkein's world. Most of Gandalf''s displays of power have more to do with defense and spreading information, as well as the exorcising of evil when they have an unnatural hold over others, such as drawing Saruman from Theoden's mind.
      In the thick of combat, he generally relies on ordinary physical attacks with his staff and sword, fighting as men do to inspire mortals to stand their ground even in the face of unfathomable odds. Men will need to be able to defend themselves from evil once the mission of the Istari is complete and they are called back to the lands of their makers, and if the wizards use too much divine power then men will never truly learn to stand on their own.

    • @TheWilyx
      @TheWilyx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@tylerbaker2405 In the hobbits book he lits acorns to throw to the wargs when they are on the trees, and his fireworks!
      He's definitely skilled with fire...

    • @dookyee
      @dookyee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not to iluvatar though he was sent back to valinor and Mandos where he was transferred from a mayar assicioated with aule to one with manwe

  • @N00B283
    @N00B283 4 ปีที่แล้ว +767

    Tolkien was a linguist, so the language is very real. just sayin'

    • @MasterDoctorBenji
      @MasterDoctorBenji 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Yes, it's literally a language and he said it right after the bit about being okay with Sci-fi just spewing nonsense.

    • @IIBloodXLustII
      @IIBloodXLustII 4 ปีที่แล้ว +103

      @@MasterDoctorBenji The amazing part is that the language came first, and Tolkien wanted a world to exist for his new language.

    • @anedgedancer5147
      @anedgedancer5147 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yeah, you'd think he'd do a little fact checking about a review.

    • @MasterDoctorBenji
      @MasterDoctorBenji 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@anedgedancer5147 to be upfront I don't hold it against him. It's just one of those funny things we go as humans

    • @anedgedancer5147
      @anedgedancer5147 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@MasterDoctorBenji though admittedly I'm being a little salty that he was nitpicking lol but I appreciate him acknowledging it

  • @patrickharwood6598
    @patrickharwood6598 4 ปีที่แล้ว +179

    fun fact: aragorn is part of a sub set of humans (Númenor) with longer life spans and is 87 years old at the time of the movies.

    • @nicoleb1111
      @nicoleb1111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      He’s gotta watch the extended versions ... this is actually brought up between him and Eowyn

    • @ard1805
      @ard1805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How old do they usually live?

    • @nicoleb1111
      @nicoleb1111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Ar D Aragorn died at 207. So longer than men but not nearly as long at Elves.. Arwen was over 2500 years old when she first me Aragorn when he was a young boy sent to live in Rivendell

    • @tylerbaker2405
      @tylerbaker2405 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@nicoleb1111 if I remember right, Elrond was one of two half-elven siblings who were given the opportunity to choose between their elven half and their human half. Elrond chose his elven half, his brother is Aragorn's ancestor.

    • @tylerbaker2405
      @tylerbaker2405 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      To further elaborate on this, Tolkien elves cannot die of natural causes, they don't grow old. Elrond's parents are significant in their own place in the lore. His elven mother gave up her agelessness in order to live a mortal life with his father. Arwen references this at one point when she's telling Elrond that she wants to be with Aragorn.

  • @Galimeer5
    @Galimeer5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    "The film does a great job at communicating the exhaustion the trio must be feeling"
    That's because they _were_ exhausted. All three actors had been injured in some capacity prior to filming those scenes (Viggo had broken a toe, Orlando had fallen off his horse, and David had a broken rib I think. I don't know exactly, but I'm sure someone can correct me if I'm wrong) and the way those scenes are shot are basically "You guys need to run. Just keep running and don't stop. At some point a helicopter camera man will fly overhead, but you just have to keep running"

    • @thewerdna
      @thewerdna 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Yep. And it was multiple days of shooting where they were just running in various locations.

    • @MARYWTHER
      @MARYWTHER 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @Sandrine Lacasse And constant allergies due to his prosthetics (for John Rhys Davies). Orlando fell off his horse and broke his ribs.

  • @LOLWATZOR
    @LOLWATZOR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    Helm's Deep is one of the all-time great battle scenes in film, and holds up two decades later.

    • @samuelchristie570
      @samuelchristie570 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I still think it is the best battle sequence in film history. Truly wonderful stuff

    • @Sanya6496
      @Sanya6496 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It gets more epic the older the movie gets

    • @BackcountryForward
      @BackcountryForward 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Definitely!

    • @sentientmustache8360
      @sentientmustache8360 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@samuelchristie570 it’s the battle of Pelennor for me but i respect that

  • @emily9973
    @emily9973 4 ปีที่แล้ว +346

    It’s a crime
    That Andy Serkis didn’t even get an Oscar for his performance...

    • @eldorados_lost_searcher
      @eldorados_lost_searcher 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He did get a Kid's Choice Award, didn't he? It was subsequently stolen by a foul-mouthed Gollum, but he did get some recognition.

    • @emily9973
      @emily9973 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He’s had a BAFTA which is good 😂but yes I agree with your comment 😂

    • @fabrisse7469
      @fabrisse7469 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I remember arguing with friends about whether or not mo-cap counted as performance. I think Serkis was robbed.

    • @emily9973
      @emily9973 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, he was very brutally and unfairly robbed

    • @Dan_Roland
      @Dan_Roland 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I personally feel that it's also a tad unfair the amount of credit he got for Gollum. It was a good performance, but what made Gollum so iconic to me was the mind bending vfx work. It's not like they rotoscoped his face and body, they had to recreate his every action frame by frame through essentially eye balling. If you ask me, the vfx team were the ones creating an oscar worthy performance.

  • @aaronleschke8988
    @aaronleschke8988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Fun bit at 7:11 - See that thing on Aragorn’s scabbard? That’s a small knife for preparing food and accomplishing tasks that a giant, clunky sword couldn’t handle. Viggo did such a good job developing his character that he recognized the need for a tool like this, talked with the prop workshop, and got it added to his gear.

    • @wierdalien1
      @wierdalien1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      its also common thing in the medieval age, and something John would have appreciated

  • @volodymyrboitchouk
    @volodymyrboitchouk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    If I remember correctly the books handle Gandalf in the same way. He fights the balrog and defeats it, but because it is a nearly equivalent foe it takes everything out of him and he dies. Eru illuvatar (god) resurrects him because he will be essential to victory over Sauron.

    • @lo4tr
      @lo4tr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      It's one of those things that translates better across words than action. I can totally understand why it feels jarring in a movie like this, where the pace had to be accelerated simply due to how much lore is actually present in the books.

  • @justinhudson256
    @justinhudson256 4 ปีที่แล้ว +159

    Legolas is always your favourite character when you’re a kid because of all the killing orcs and shield surfing, then when you get older you realise that you just love a bit of gimli and Sam

    • @04nbod
      @04nbod 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Legolas is still my favourite character. When they finally gave him some flaws people really complained about it. In Lord of the Rings he is obviously loyal to the death. When Aragorn dies, does he abandon the Rohan? No. He carries on. He joins the fellowship because (as we come to discover) of his loyalty and friendship. If you fight with him he'll fight for you. He also has a journey with death in these films. He's an elf, he can't die. The death of Gandalf shocked him. The death of Boromir, Orlando's face of curiosity was wonderful. Death isn't a thing for elves and if someone 'dies' they know they will be re-embodied by the Valar. For mortals its permanent. I don't think Legolas knows Gandalf is a maiar until Fangorn and of all of them he knew what that meant, he kneels to Gandalf in Fangorn. And that arc with death has its conclusion in the next film

    • @nuimee5884
      @nuimee5884 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@04nbod That's a really good take on him actually. I too thought he was my favorite character when I was younger, but during recent rewatches, I really came to appreaciate just how messed up Frodo's arc actually is, and many other characters and plotpoints I wasn't totally into as a kid. But I still really enjoyed watching Legolas and Gimli banter, and their loyalty to Aragorn and the fellowship in general is very sweet.
      But all of that coming to terms with death arc is film only, as far as I remember. If Legolas is lacking a character, that's because Tolkien just didn't write one. I only read the books once so correct me if I'm wrong, but he really didn't get many lines there that weren't exposition.

    • @5c0tty5
      @5c0tty5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I always feel legolas gets the hate because of his lack of personality but I feel that is how Peter Jackson wanted to portray elves, as a detached being with emotions that are less visible than men and are are dulled down from being so old

    • @itsthemumu8585
      @itsthemumu8585 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dodomando that’s part of Legolas’ character arc though. He is an immortal being who goes from being a stuck up prick who’s cocky to being willing to give his life for his friends and the mission. He actually gets more development than people give him credit for, although it’s in the background. Legolas’ character arc is sort of a mirror of Gimli in a sense, and they grow together, and they become a pair throughout these films, so it’s obvious that these two near-static characters see the same type of development and it’s still a satisfying ending for both characters, even though they’re not the main focus of the story

    • @TheWilyx
      @TheWilyx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nuimee5884 On LotR Tolkien didn't went much into elves in general...
      Legolas arc in the books is about friendship. He starts cautious of dwarves and by the end he has built, together with Gimli, one of the best friendships ever written.
      After hearing the sea for the first time the longing for the Undying Lands, all the same he stays behind to explore Middle Earth with Gimli and help Aragorn rebuild the greatness of Minas Tirith. When he finally leaves to Aman he does it taking Gimli with him!

  • @niels7671
    @niels7671 4 ปีที่แล้ว +280

    You know Tolkien invented the whole language (elvish) right? Like he designed it as a real language that can be spoken. Thats what they are also speaking in the movies

    • @Reverendshot777
      @Reverendshot777 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      With multiple dialects and also the black speech of morder and variations of orcish. It's wild.

    • @jeckjeck3119
      @jeckjeck3119 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Wow... the man is a legend.

    • @gundamofspitara7583
      @gundamofspitara7583 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      In fact, Tolkien was a linguist first. He invented his languages, with all their varieties, and then created a story around them, using differences in dialects to create different stories of groups splitting off from the main to justify the difference it would have created. It’s absolutely brilliant.

    • @eldorados_lost_searcher
      @eldorados_lost_searcher 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I believe that the root form of Elvish is loosely based on Finnish.
      But in addition to learning Finnish for fun, he learned Anglo-Saxon, and once chased his neighbor down the street dressed in mail, carrying an axe, and screaming in Anglo-Saxon.

    • @niels7671
      @niels7671 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@eldorados_lost_searcher I think Welsh was also a big influence

  • @lizardlegend42
    @lizardlegend42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    6:06 it actually isn't nonsense though, in fact it's one of if not the most developed language in fiction. Tolkien was actually a linguist before he was a novel writer and created the story of LOTR from some of the languages he made. Not only does Elvish have distinct grammar and script, but it even has its own dialects between the different Elvish kingdoms. In total there were around 15 different languages and dialects made for Lord of the Rings.

    • @lizardlegend42
      @lizardlegend42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @666LaVey666 Ah don't be too harsh on him, he's not a fantasy guy, he doesn't know anything about it other than minor things. These videos are his first impressions on watching it, that's what makes them so insightful. Looking up things like that might spoil the series for him and that would completely diminish the insight these videos give.

    • @aesir1ases64
      @aesir1ases64 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@lizardlegend42 I dont care, he should be more humble than saying ironically the language was bs when his comment was the ultimate bs and disrespect to one of the greatest linguistic expert of the 20th century, instead we have a random noob that doesnt even known english grammar properly complaining about the language on YT lol

  • @baguettegott3409
    @baguettegott3409 4 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    About Arwen and Aragorn (spoiler-free):
    Their relationship is even less developed in the books. You could say it's barely in them. For the movie, since Aragorn is so important and we have so few female characters, they felt the need to expand on it as far as they could without changing things too much. So they included some of the backstory for the two of them that Tolkien published in the appendices to the books. This may explain why the love story doesn't have much pull in the movies (because you're abolutely correct, it doesn't):
    It's not tied to the actual plot in a satisfying way, and it has basically already happened. They met and fell in love etc. decades ago.

    • @jehender
      @jehender 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I mean, that's the thing right? We aren't seeing the exciting, chemistry filled start of the relationship. They are a well established (meaning they been together forever) couple, so it looks and feels different.

    • @Wuffskers
      @Wuffskers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@jehender Yeah, Aragorn met Arwen when he was 20, and he's 87 now so they've already known each other for 67 years lol

    • @aesir1ases64
      @aesir1ases64 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jehender And its much better that way than seeing them match and all the boring thing in between.

    • @PungiFungi
      @PungiFungi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That is one thing I did not like the LOTR movies, is the lack of substantial female characters but then again Tolkien is a product of his time. In the Hobbit trilogy, they created a female character for the sake of having one and then stuck her with the most cliched ridden storyline ever (love triangle). I particular disliked how all the women during the battle of Helms Deep just cowered in the caves and cried and moaned. Basically useless. If only they were more like Eowyn....having em volunteer to fight but were turned down was probably more satisfying.

    • @baguettegott3409
      @baguettegott3409 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PungiFungi Yes, it's a bit sad. There are just three women with any substantial screentime (Galadriel, Arwen and Eowyn), but I'd argue that only one of them is an actual character. Eowyn is the only one who does things, who has characters traits and interests and gets to learn and grow. And she's also the only one whose primary characteristic is not just "being really beautiful".
      I think it's safe to say that Tolkien was generally bad at writing women. And almost never did it. And like you said, different times etc, and Tolkien was great at a lot of things. It's fine.
      Guess nobody could have predicted that an entire genre would arise from his books. And the genre at large did kind of inherit that problem with female characters. Not that there aren't tons of great exceptions, but still.

  • @factfraud9437
    @factfraud9437 4 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    I feel like there's a part of this video about Theoden that's just missing. Strange he wasn't mentioned at all really.

    • @merenwen4495
      @merenwen4495 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Geoff Nattrass really? You have never seen Titanic? He plays the captain in that movie.

    • @Nichols_Santa
      @Nichols_Santa 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      he was also in The Bounty with Mel Gibson.
      m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZDIwNGE5NGMtNzMwZC00YjU2LWJlZDAtZjVmOTRlNDI1ODIwXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDk2MjQ4Mzk@._V1_.jpg

  • @04nbod
    @04nbod 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Legolas is not human. At one point in this he hears trees talking. He stood on top of snow in the last film when everyone else sunk. You need to keep that in mind. He's some sort of undefined magical being just like Galadriel and Elrond. Although Galadriel is uber powerful for lore reasons I won't bore you with.

    • @fullirishham1015
      @fullirishham1015 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      How is being literally older than the Sun and the Moon boring?

    • @04nbod
      @04nbod 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Full Irish Ham well there is a lot to go into with the Valar and the light of the two trees and it can become a bit biblical for the uninitiated

    • @fullirishham1015
      @fullirishham1015 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@04nbod I've read the silmarillion, I was making a joke, but I suppose that's a fair point.

  • @ikoandreas5085
    @ikoandreas5085 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Rest In Peace, Ian Holm absolute legend

  • @tonypalios7882
    @tonypalios7882 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Sir Ian Holm sailed West, to Valinor this morning...
    R.I.P. to such an amazing actor...

  • @ikoandreas5085
    @ikoandreas5085 4 ปีที่แล้ว +159

    6:10 ironic, this is actually a languege.

    • @jacksonscott3667
      @jacksonscott3667 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      We should absolutely point out to Full Fat that the lyrics in the soundtrack are descriptions of the scene occurring, written in Tolkien’s languages.

    • @jacksonscott3667
      @jacksonscott3667 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      And that usage of Sindarin, Quenya, Khuzdul, and the Black Speech are used frequently throughout the movies, in both spoken word and the lyrics.

    • @jordinagel1184
      @jordinagel1184 4 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Yeah, that comment kinda bothered me... It’s like watching a movie where someone speaks Finnish and saying “That sounds like rubbish”

    • @bluesbest1
      @bluesbest1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Not only that, but that language is basically the whole point of the entire series. Tolkien made up a language, a full language with grammar and everything, and built a world where that language was spoken.

    • @jordinagel1184
      @jordinagel1184 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Dadycoool all things considered it’s a miracle we got as good a story as we did, seeing how it was basically an afterthought

  • @SimonWesleyH
    @SimonWesleyH 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    The reason that treebeard part is rather jarring is because it was changed from the book, which has a far more logical, but far less suspenseful, resolution. Basically, the ents talk for a really long time and then agree to attack Isengard and that's it. I think PJ changed it to add a bit of that hollywood "oh no, oh yay" drama.

    • @JPH1138
      @JPH1138 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      In the books there was a little bit of a shock factor to it, because the ents appear whimsical to the point of being comical, but then when they decide to march on Saruman they become really terrifying. Because Jackson followed his horror film instinct to initially set up Treebeard as a possible antagonist for suspense he couldn't really do it a second time, and I think it was also to try and give Merry and Pippin some agency in the story. It's one of those little changes that bothers me for not making a lot of sense but I can understand why it was done.

    • @JEilonwyn
      @JEilonwyn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JPH1138 I would agree... but the movie tells otherwise... TREEBEARD is the one who explains to the Hobbits that the Orks are cutting down the forrest. He kills several of them when he "rescues" Merry and Pippin.
      Yet we are expected to believe that the Ents don't think Isenguard cutting down the forest is possible??? These are the Shepherds of the Trees??? NONE of them have heard ANY rumors about Isenguard?? But Treebeard specifically says that he HAS??? so why do they decide to do NOTHING?? It makes zero sense... it just make the Ents look stupid.

  • @Real28
    @Real28 4 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Andy Serkis is a damn legend. Genius even.
    It took me till about 3-4 years ago to watch this series. I bought the extended versions and sat down over an entire weekend. This trilogy will go down as one of the greatest stories moved to the silver screen, EVER.
    But I agree, the way this movie ends in a victory, its different from the normal trilogy pattern and that was when trilogies were not mega common. It showed just how epic the final movie was going to be.
    You're making me want to throw the whole 9hrs of bluray back in the tv this weekend.

    • @11Survivor
      @11Survivor 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I rewatched it after his fellowship vid, wasn't disappointed. :D

    • @EmoBearRights
      @EmoBearRights 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I first saw Serkis in a adaptation of Oliver Twist on British TV as Bill Sykes. He was brilliant - but the more you think about what he does acting in a skinsuit the more impressive his work is - it's why he's so in demand and has got a tad typecast. TV tropes even named a trope in his honour as body capture artists are named Serkis Folk.

    • @josharntt
      @josharntt 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Extended trilogy is 11.5 hours altogether

    • @josharntt
      @josharntt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Finn MacCool Oh fuck off with that bullshit, SJWs my ass. How do you think Lord of the Rings would be ruined? And in case you didn't know, Sir Ian McKellen is gay, oh no the SJWs have infiltrated the very movies you love. Boo hoo the bad people are ruining your movies, go cry in the corner you fuckin snowflake.

    • @rbrtlws46
      @rbrtlws46 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you take the time to read the books you will understand how smart the movie was done. There is no over kill in an area.Trust me i've read the books about 6 times over the last 30 years

  • @peregry
    @peregry 4 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    This is one of the thing the movies never got into.
    Yes, Gandalf is superhuman, yes he also immune/resistant to fire. These facts are actually disconnected.
    You see Gandalf (and all the Wizards including Saruman) are actually something called the Maia. What are Maia? The simple answer, they're angels. They're the LotR's God equivalent agent's and messengers in the world. They do actually have some very specific rules, but those aren't actually laid out in the movies or the LotR books (they're in the appendixes), but for the purpose of this what you need to know is that they're only allowed to use their full power when facing things that are also supernatural. So Gandalf being attacked by orcs... he's only allowed to use some fancy tricks and nice tools that are on scale with the threat. If going up against the Balrog, which is an agent of the Satan equivalent in the setting who's power is on par with a Maia, well, he's allowed to go whole hog. Thus fight with Saruman also doesn't call into question Gandalf being superhuman, since they're both Maia, Saruman being able to hurt him follows quite logically.
    As to the immunity to fire, Gandalf actually bears one of the three Elven Rings of Power, and his ring specifically is tied to fire and fire magics.
    So it's actually quite "hard SF" ish, but only when you get into the appendixes and Tolkien's notes. None of these facts really matter for the story.

    • @bluesbest1
      @bluesbest1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Magic always has rules, we just don't necessarily understand them. Also, I say Gandalf is the only being that can make magic fireworks because he's a servant of the Lord of the Skies and has the Ring of Fire. He also only shows them to the Hobbits because they're the only race that shares his love of simple, little things.

    • @theogoltzman5372
      @theogoltzman5372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      True, save one detail. Narya's power isn't fire magic, that just happens to be what Gandalf studied before being sent to Middle Earth. Recall Elrond's words that those who made the Three were concerned with preserving and protecting life, not fighting and power. As Cirdan the Shipwright told Gandalf "this is the Ring of Fire, and herewith, maybe, thou shalt rekindle hearts to the valor of old in a world that grows chill". Narya is about the fires of the soul, about hope and inspiration. In Deep Geek did a video about this but the powers of the Rings are rarely what they appear.

    • @bluesbest1
      @bluesbest1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@theogoltzman5372 Ah. So Gandalf knows how to have fun because he learned in Valinor? Also, that explanation makes more sense and is better in line with what we know about Arda Lore, more than Gandalf having a Ring of Fireball that he can adapt.

    • @thefran901
      @thefran901 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bluesbest1 "Magic always has rules, we just don't necessarily understand them." Not necessarily, magic in the Tolkien's universe is tied to divinity, it is not an emergent phenomenon of nature like in other magic systems that look more like misunderstood science, that's not Tolkien's magic system. While there are rules to some things they can do, some other stuff is granted directly by divinity (Eru Illuvatar) as an exception, like Gandalf coming back. While a Maia's spirit can't die, the terrenal being Gandalf that is the avatar for Olorin in Middle Earth shouldn't have been able to come back by the Valar rules, but "God" made it possible as an exception; so there is no rule to magic there, just events granted by a divinity's will.

    • @bluesbest1
      @bluesbest1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thefran901 "But only if God allows it" is still a rule. By that logic, the magic system of IRL has that rule. Sometimes, the only rule to a magic system is "I imagined that I/my character could do it", which is the logic behind Superman. He can do basically whatever the authors decide he can do.
      You're right, though. Divine intervention is basically the definition of "breaking the rules of the world."

  • @MrNorbo95
    @MrNorbo95 4 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Gandalf dying and coming back is massively important and blatantly affects the plot. He comes back as Gandalf the White, meaning he is now as powerful/more powerful than Saruman, which factors into a big scene in the Two Towers, and another in Return of the King.

    • @FullFatVideos
      @FullFatVideos  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I didn’t say it wasn’t?

    • @MrNorbo95
      @MrNorbo95 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@FullFatVideos You said 'it's a lot of busy work' and 'it seems odd to me'. You also implied it might have been an addition of the movie to just spice up events. I was explaining that it wasn't done for the sake of it- it had a purpose.

    • @Daniel-gp6sd
      @Daniel-gp6sd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@FullFatVideos gandalf has now been given powers over saruman and the other 3 wizards (they are not in the lord of the rings). So if gandalf does something that implies this in the next film, that is why. He has been given the power to, since saruman betrayed the other wizards

    • @Daniel-gp6sd
      @Daniel-gp6sd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@FullFatVideos also, the language the elves are speaking is a complete language called Sindarin

    • @tylerbaker2405
      @tylerbaker2405 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I believe the implication is that Gandalf is as powerful as Saruman should be but because of his betrayal, Saruman's power has begun to degenerate.

  • @timrosswood4259
    @timrosswood4259 4 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    The elves don't speak nonsense. They are talking in a real language Tolkien made.

    • @evanlumbers1654
      @evanlumbers1654 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah but to movie go’ers at the time or new people now, don’t know, and honestly it is just nonsense with rules that some guy made up even if it does follow language rules now a days 🤷‍♂️

    • @timrosswood4259
      @timrosswood4259 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@evanlumbers1654 It's not nonsense if it has rules.

    • @evanlumbers1654
      @evanlumbers1654 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      SoundsOfMars 2000 actually yeah you’re right

    • @stefannydvorak7919
      @stefannydvorak7919 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Evan Lumbers Tolkien was an actual linguist. Languages were his thing. It wasn’t just nonsense written on paper. He actually created real linguistic families, dialects, accents, alphabets with rules, grammar verb tenses. He only started creating his novels after having created his languages. And even then, he made his languages evolve; having an ancient and modern form, regional accents and dialects and so on and so forth. What he created was far from nonsense.

  • @NKMitch42
    @NKMitch42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Doing my boy Theoden King dirty by not talking about Bernard Hill's incredible Arthurian Decline style performance, mate.

  • @Jaasau
    @Jaasau 4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I think you are immensely overcomplicating Gandalf’s death. He fought the Balrog, died, and was sent back by Iluvitar (God). Simple.

    • @fwwdadwdwafefhawedweddewaw6711
      @fwwdadwdwafefhawedweddewaw6711 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      To understand that you have to know that Gandalf isnt just an old wizard guy in middle earth which he probably doesnt. Obviously gandalf is just his body and name in middle earth, he has a non physical form since he is one of the maiar. If you know this then it makes a lot of sense, especially the scene when he reveals himself to Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli. He has a certain disconnection "gandalf the grey" because that was pretty much his former form in middle earth that has died.

  • @lizardlegend42
    @lizardlegend42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    11:46 dID yOu KnOw ViGgO bRoKe HiS tOe ThErE aNd ThAt ScReAm WaS GeNuInE?!?!

    • @fangsabre
      @fangsabre 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      That's cool and all, but the real interesting tidbit is that he legit deflected that knife from the first movie. It was meant to be thrown NEAR him but the stunt actor playing the Uruk couldnt see properly and chucked it right at his face. And Vigo actually deflected it

    • @reddragon3132
      @reddragon3132 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@fangsabre Not to mention the knife was also unintentionally a sharp one as well rather than just a prop. If he had failed to deflect it it would've actually caused serious harm

    • @pyrite13
      @pyrite13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      12:30 Christopher Lee (Saruman) actually recorded the same lines as Gandalf. The audio mixer then melded them and faded Saruman's voice out at the end.

    • @lizardlegend42
      @lizardlegend42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pyrite13Speaking of Christopher Lee and knives, during the scene where Wormtongue stabs Saruman in ROTK (deleted from the theatrical version), Peter Jackson originally wanted Saruman to scream in pain. However, Christopher Lee was a highly experienced member of the SAS for many years, some of the missions he was involved in are some of the few still classified to this day. He knows how people act after they're stabbed. Jackson remarked how chilling it was when Christopher described to him on set in precise detail how the person gasps quickly before being just stunned and going into shock.
      th-cam.com/video/Vx52kCxzllc/w-d-xo.html

  • @EugeneRimmer
    @EugeneRimmer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    RIP Sir Ian "Bilbo Baggins" Holm

  • @TheWilyx
    @TheWilyx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Can't wait for the next one!
    Just two details:
    Gandalf has one of the 3 elven rings, specifically the fire ring... and he is expert on fire magic (eg. his fireworks) that may explain why he doesn't burn so easily.
    And Faramir is way less of an asshole in the books.

    • @wubranch1
      @wubranch1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      William Soto exactly, he is a wise and fair man. The movies just redid the Boromir flaw.

    • @jennyzhinuo
      @jennyzhinuo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Faramir was actually my favourite character in the books! So incredibly noble, and human

    • @myself2noone
      @myself2noone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Faramir is also a self insert character.

  • @AaronMac099
    @AaronMac099 4 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I read the books years ago and all I could remember was that a God sent him back as Sauran was not defeated yet. So I googled it.
    "Gandalf the Grey's physical body dies after the battle with the Balrog. However, as an immortal Maia, his spirit presumably returns to Valinor, where Eru Iluvatar decides to send him back to Middle Earth in order to fulfill his final task, defeating Sauron."
    The Maia were spirits that were used to help shape the world. Not many were named but the 5 wizards are some of them.
    Eru Iluvatar was the single creator that delegated some of creation.

    • @aureliusausgustinus1332
      @aureliusausgustinus1332 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Key note: Not "a God", but "the God". Tolkien sees Eru Illuvatar as his take on the Lord God Almighty before the call of Abraham and the foundation of Israel and much before God's own incarnation as the Christ.

    • @bluesbest1
      @bluesbest1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aureliusausgustinus1332 Yeah, from what I recall from lore videos and my own reading of the Silmarillion, Eru, who the Elves called Illuvitar, the enlightened one, saw a void and sang with the Song of Creation, the Secret Fire. After a time, other voices basically echoed and formed into the Valar, starting with Melkor, who desired to follow his own path, followed by the beings that rule over, control, and represent the various aspects of the Song, like violins, flutes, drums, etc. in a very Pantheon sort of way. Lesser voices joined in after the first, who were the Maiar, of which the Balrogs, Wizards who are of a race called the Istari, and Sauron. After they basically outlined the entire timeline of the world, not that we know any specifics, Illuvitar bid them look and they beheld a new world being formed. They recognized this world, for it was the very world they just sang into existence.
      That's basically the Creation Myth of Tolkien's world.

    • @aureliusausgustinus1332
      @aureliusausgustinus1332 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bluesbest1 One could say that the "Secret Fire" or "Flame Imperishable" is the Holy Spirit of God, the same Spirit in Genesis 1:2 who hovered over the waters (the void), and during the Pentecost, the Holy Spirit took form in "tongues of fire". Tolkien's Cosmology is patterned to Biblical Cosmology in the beginning. But Tolkien saw Creation as a symphonic piece and God is the composer and conductor while the Ainur
      (Valar and Maiar) are the musicians and the choir of the orchestra.

  • @justabitofamug6989
    @justabitofamug6989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Even I'm falling for aragorn, and I'm a lesbian!

    • @baguettegott3409
      @baguettegott3409 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I thought Boromir was our mascot. Like with Thor.
      Tbh I agree though, Aragorn's just awesome. My heart may belong to Eowyn, but Aragorn is a close second :D

    • @baguettegott3409
      @baguettegott3409 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @666LaVey666 rule of thumb: nobody who calls you a "little lady" is worth listening to.
      No seriously, sexuality is complicated, and like most straight girls have "girl crushes", lesbian girls can have "boy crushes". Not every fleeting feeling of aesthetic attraction is worth changing your label over.

    • @baguettegott3409
      @baguettegott3409 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @666LaVey666 that rule of thumb bit was also not serious... that's why I started the following sentence with "no seriously"...
      But I'm bad at recognizing sarcasm, both irl and online, so I'm used to writing long, detailed replies to people who then only say "lol you're so triggered I was just joking". So don't feel too good about yourself for trolling me, because trolling me is very easy.
      I have a sneaking suspicion you're doing it right now and are once again going to respond with a single line, calling me a little lady in that condescending way. And it's gonna look really good as a comment thread, me always writing long winded, serious paragraphs and you just being all cool and funny. You're going to look really good, and I'm going to look really dumb. So there you go.

    • @aesir1ases64
      @aesir1ases64 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@baguettegott3409 Most labels are usuless. Specially when people want to define something or someone over it so much.

    • @baguettegott3409
      @baguettegott3409 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aesir1ases64 It depends on what kind of person you are. A lot of people feel like you do, that labels are useless, that they're stifling and devisive and they just don't wanna put themselves into any kind of box. And that's totally cool.
      I'm not like that though. I like security and familiarity and I love having a label for myself that I can just relax into. An easy way to describe and understand myself.

  • @thehappyheartwanders
    @thehappyheartwanders 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I can't believe Theoden didn't come up in this video! I hope you'll mention him in the next one. Bernard Hill's performance of the proud, guilt-ridden king is one of the best aspects of Towers. He does such great, subtle work showing Theoden's fear of manipulation from Gandalf after Saruman's betrayal, his guilt and shame over his kingdom's decline while he was entranced, and his fatalistic despair that Rohan will fall. The moment when he chooses not to give into despair and to ride out with Aragorn one last time is so powerful, I get chills just thinking about it. Theoden has to let go of despair and choose hope at his lowest point. It's a great redemption arc and Bernard Hill kills it.

  • @hammer3885
    @hammer3885 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    "I knew Boromir was gonna die, because he's Sean Bean" Gold, just gold.

    • @paulelroy6650
      @paulelroy6650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How does he think of it

  • @tiernfitzpatrick9330
    @tiernfitzpatrick9330 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Basically I’m pretty sure that the wizards are like the equivalent of angels in that world and they were sent to middle earth to keep the evil of sauron in check. Radagask (the brown wizard) went mad, saruman turned evil and the others gave up. So when Gandalf died (not the fake death he actually died fighting the balrog) the gods sent him back because he stayed true and was seen as their only hope.

    • @tiernfitzpatrick9330
      @tiernfitzpatrick9330 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also i don’t know this for sure but Gandalf has a fire ring called Narya that may have something to do with him being largely unharmed when we see him amongst the flames of the balrog.

    • @tiernfitzpatrick9330
      @tiernfitzpatrick9330 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      And that bit where he kicked the helmet was the toe break lol

    • @harvkent8017
      @harvkent8017 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      THE PREDATOR I think this is true because I’ve seen someone say this as well

    • @tiernfitzpatrick9330
      @tiernfitzpatrick9330 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Basically when the wizards were first sent to middle earth saruman was their leader and I think when the gods sent him back he became Gandalf the White to show he was more powerful and the wizards leader

    • @manosbouzetos4132
      @manosbouzetos4132 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah he is not human he is a mair(like sauron, saruman, radagast, and the barlog) sent by the valar(you can imagine them somehow like the greek gods) to aid the humans in the middle earth. However he is not to do so by his powers his job is to advise and not to fight. I think however that he died when he was done with barlog and he was sent back by illuvatar himself as he states that new life was given to him, The valars cannot create life only Illuvatar

  • @DarkKnightBatman420
    @DarkKnightBatman420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    I reversed the polarity of this comment.

    • @timrosswood4259
      @timrosswood4259 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I reversed the polarity of this reply.

    • @AxeKick80
      @AxeKick80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I corrected the polarity of both comment and reply. Stop screwing around with the polarity you 2, it’s not a damn game.

    • @timrosswood4259
      @timrosswood4259 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@AxeKick80 I'm gonna reverse the polarity of YOU!

    • @AxeKick80
      @AxeKick80 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      SoundsOfMars 2000 😱😱😱

    • @zabi_aka
      @zabi_aka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@timrosswood4259 Stop confusing the polarity!

  • @m.b.7560
    @m.b.7560 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    No mention of the beautiful moment when the elves arrive in helm's deep? Everything from "That's no orc horn" forward, to the facial expressions of the men of rohan as the elves arrive like a host of angels it's absolutely beautiful, with a wonderful score, and my absolute favourite deviation from the book.

    • @glitterspray
      @glitterspray 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same! Craig Parker was wonderful as Haldir, despite his weight gain 🙂

  • @Waffalish
    @Waffalish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    About the point where the elves are speaking, it isn't really nonsense, cause they are speaking an actual language created by Tolkien. They are saying actual words. There should be subtitles?

    • @Waffalish
      @Waffalish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @666LaVey666 Hey now he still thoroughly enjoyed the movies and gave a completely honest review of them no need to get so winded up.

    • @Waffalish
      @Waffalish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @666LaVey666 You have low standards in terms of what to get angry at if this pissed you off to the extent you are showing.

    • @Waffalish
      @Waffalish 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @666LaVey666 Now we're just in a useless stereotype that is too common in youtube comment sections. My point is completely writing off a very well created and well paced youtube video simply because he doesn't like how the elves speak is just taking it a step too far, dont you think?

    • @HollowBagel
      @HollowBagel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @666LaVey666 edgy

    • @HollowBagel
      @HollowBagel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @666LaVey666 yes

  • @Sonikks
    @Sonikks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I'd give anything to forget these films to watch them again, fresh.

  • @amgb8252
    @amgb8252 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Been almost a month, but I'm still checking daily for your impressions on the third movie. Can't wait to hear your impressions :)

  • @mkitten13
    @mkitten13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This one is my favourite in the trilogy. I just really love spending time in Rohan in general, it has such a strong viking feel, which feels close to home for me (I'm Norwegian), and I really love Eowyn. My favourite moments from this one include the elves showing up in Helms Deep, giving hope in an otherwise hopeless situation, and the Ents going to war.

  • @alexxander966
    @alexxander966 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The LotR trilogy was the first “adult” books I read growing up. I was 10-11 when I first read them. Because of this I think, the Arwen/Aragorn love story was the first EVER love story i was ever fully invested in. To this day they remain my favorite fictional couple. But I will admit, when the movies came out (I read the books before the movies released) I did think their on screen chemistry fell a bit flat. I still loved them anyways, but the romance in the book was way better, it was magical to me. Dang I really want to reread the novels again. It’s been a few years since I last reread them

    • @branchy7159
      @branchy7159 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wait when the movie came out you were already 11? You don't look 30

    • @alexxander966
      @alexxander966 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Branchy - lol yeah I was born in ‘93. Plus I haven’t updated my pfp in a long time, I think I was 26 in that photo? So not 30 yet lol but getting there

    • @branchy7159
      @branchy7159 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexxander966 depending what month you were born you'd still be 26

  • @mitchnuesca4586
    @mitchnuesca4586 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When is our part 3 man? Love your vids and this one just earned a subscription

  • @leikur100
    @leikur100 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What happend to this seies? Where is the video for Return of the King?

  • @janmichaelvincent2157
    @janmichaelvincent2157 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    “Frodo: I can’t do this, Sam.
    Sam: I know. It’s all wrong. By rights we shouldn’t even be here. But we are. It’s like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn’t want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.
    Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?
    Sam: That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo… and it’s worth fighting for.”

  • @TheMocketeer
    @TheMocketeer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another great video! Apologies for sounding like a broken record, but after you've finished the "theatrical" experience, pop in those extended cuts. The bonus scene between Faramir and Boromir is everything. Makes Faramir ten times easier to empathize with.

    • @adamkeller4489
      @adamkeller4489 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I only ever watch the extended versions! They add a ton of context.

  • @iBLookinATu
    @iBLookinATu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can't believe you said nothing on Samwise Gamgee's monologue at the end of the movie. That's still my favorite and the most impactful monologue I've witnessed from any medium. And the way it's delivered... just perfection.

  • @alexharris6481
    @alexharris6481 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    RIP Ian Holm! RIP Bilbo! LEGEND

    • @jacksonscott3667
      @jacksonscott3667 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Damn, a legend passes. Thanks, Sir Ian.

  • @ard1805
    @ard1805 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When he died gandalf had a hard time remembering things because he had been gone so long. I loved that.

  • @JohnSmith-rk7zy
    @JohnSmith-rk7zy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ngl I’m pretty hyped for this. Love your videos dude and the fact that it’s your first time viewing them makes it better, I know you normally do who content but lotr is my all time favourite film trilogy of all time. I appreciate you dude.

  • @mickey4125
    @mickey4125 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best quote of the trilogy for me, even when I saw the films in the cinema at 10, 11, then 12 years old, has always been this one from Theoden as he's suiting up for what feels like a final stand at Helm's Deep:
    "Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountain, like wind in the meadow. The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow. How did it come to this?"
    The chills that gives me, even just to read, are some of the most intense I've ever experienced. A beautifully written and masterfully delivered line. True poetry.

  • @Mitcheck315
    @Mitcheck315 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If Sam is in the running for your favorite character after Two Towers just you wait until Return of The King. Absolutely the best character in the series.

  • @daffyduck3536
    @daffyduck3536 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You mean Thor was doing an Eomer impression right?

  • @jerner17
    @jerner17 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    weirdly enough when i was a kid i watched the films out of order and started with this one. I didn't fully understand what was happening but I loved it rewatched it like 20 times. Fellowship was actually the last one I saw haha

    • @wildboystv3013
      @wildboystv3013 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What's your favourite one

    • @jerner17
      @jerner17 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly two towers but I've grown to really love fellowship as I got older since it seem a little boring to 8 year old me who already knew how the story would end

    • @justinharris5625
      @justinharris5625 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same. I rented movies from the library as a kid and when my family decided to watch them they only had Two Towers. So I watched TT, Fellowship, and then ROTK

  • @dylanball1566
    @dylanball1566 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have to say, I truly enjoy your videos!! You do such a good job of articulating the things that make some of my favorite movies and characters great. I appreciate your work and I want you to know that you have true fans.

  • @drewspencerpenrose2003
    @drewspencerpenrose2003 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    In the book, Treebeard already knows what's up and calls the meeting and they decide to attack Isengard without any prompting. Trouble is, that means Merry and Pippin do nothing but hang around and share some information, which doesn't make for good cinema, so it was changed to make them more active even though it makes less sense.

  • @vegurion2
    @vegurion2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Probably the only fictional universe with complete functional and expansive languages.
    Video: they speak nonsense
    Haven't cracked in a video for quite a while that was therapeutic thanks man 🤣🤣🤣

  • @kamdenbarclay486
    @kamdenbarclay486 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The breaching of the Wall of Helms Deep was done as a miniature, infact most of the cities you see in the movies are models, thats why they looked so good, Peter specifically called for "Bigatures" since the models are friggin gigantic.

    • @Tom_McMurtry
      @Tom_McMurtry 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Gmail com Del Torro created most of the works and script, and Peter was called in for a hatchet job after Del Torro left halfway through. Peter asked for 3 more years extra time and got none.

  • @JohnSmith-rk7zy
    @JohnSmith-rk7zy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I can actually hear the music in the three moments that you’re referencing.

  • @carpevinum8645
    @carpevinum8645 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Welcome to "the legolas effect". They were cool, the audience kinda liked them (and their merch), in future properties let's turn them into MONEY - I mean GOD - I mean "develop and expand upon a beloved character" (that's what I meant).
    Love Legolas - in the rings. Hate Legolas in the Hobbit 😢

  • @jenniferchough
    @jenniferchough 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It's been 3 weeks.... anxiously awaiting your reaction to RotK!!

    • @baguettegott3409
      @baguettegott3409 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me too... I'm always like "what if he doesn't like that one? :("

  • @xxdrosexx
    @xxdrosexx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fun fact - all the events of the Two Towers takes space over about two weeks. That's why it seems so action packed and fast-paced.

  • @benbovard9579
    @benbovard9579 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gandalf's final line in the movie was taken from a quote by Winston Churchill: "The Battle of France is over. The Battle of Britain is about to begin."

  • @nuxxism
    @nuxxism 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a book fan, this was my least favourite of the three (though it's still good). There were two things I especially didn't like:
    * In the books, the Ents have their Entmoot and decide to go to war. It takes a while, but that's because Ents are not hasty. But Treebeard seeing the forest cut down and suddenly changing his mind in the definition of hasty. I much prefer them choosing to go to war though it might mean their destruction, because choosing your doom is a theme for all the races.
    * The Elves shouldn't have been at Helm's Deep, not for the reason they stated. The Last Alliance of Elves and Men (seen in the intro to the first movie) was an alliance between the Elves and their friends, the men of Numenor, the last of which is Aragorn (king) and Gondor (country). There was never an alliance with Rohan for the Elves to 'honour'.

    • @baguettegott3409
      @baguettegott3409 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same for me, though for different reasons. I prefer the books because there's less battle and more long-winded descriptions of weather and landscape (which I'm a sucker for), and since the big ~thing~ in Two Towers is the battle of helm's deep, the movie is lee exciting to me than the others. The battles aren't boring, which is a huge achievemnt for a movie if I don't fall asleep during battle, but it doesn't do much for me either.
      Obviously Rotk has a lot of fighting as well, but there are... moments... in it that make even me sit on the edge of my seat. No spoilers :)

    • @JPH1138
      @JPH1138 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      " But Treebeard seeing the forest cut down and suddenly changing his mind in the definition of hasty."
      It also doesn't make a lot of sense given in his first scene in the film he's already angry at the orcs for coming to his forests with axes.

  • @JamesEKing
    @JamesEKing 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Where is part 3?

  • @Xylos144
    @Xylos144 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best Jump-scare in cinema history is Bilbo grasping for the ring in Fellowship.

  • @danofthehour4119
    @danofthehour4119 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gollum isn’t finding it hard saying his own name, he’s named after the sound that he involuntarily makes

  • @jebatman756
    @jebatman756 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Perhaps letting you know, in response to you saying that some of the Elvish is nonsense, that Tolkien was a linguist and his primary motivation to write The Lord Of The Rings was that he could create a new language from scratch. And that he did. So no, it's not ever nonsense, he crafted a real fricking language, mortal!

  • @lauriegardner7324
    @lauriegardner7324 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Two towers will always be my favorite, just cause of the battle of helms deep

    • @jordinagel1184
      @jordinagel1184 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The fantasy battle which all fantasy battles are measured up against (and very few ever succeed in equalling it)

    • @lauriegardner7324
      @lauriegardner7324 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jordinagel1184 Exactly

    • @JohnSmith-rk7zy
      @JohnSmith-rk7zy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah boi

    • @Daniel-gp6sd
      @Daniel-gp6sd 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fellowship is my favourite and arguably the best film of all time

    • @lauriegardner7324
      @lauriegardner7324 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Merciless Freak Still has the best battle scene out of all three movies though 😂

  • @francescogulisano2917
    @francescogulisano2917 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The fact that you liked the Frodo-Sam part the most is honestly awesome. Many people find it boring, compared to the epicness of the Rohan part and I myself am partially guilty of this, because I'm such a sucker for that kind of stuff, but Frodo's journey has so much emotion and weight (Tolkien wrote that part while his son Christopher was in the army for WW2) that it's a shame that it often doesn't get enough recognition (even though Faramir's character was butchered to pieces, since in the books, where he's a straight upgrade compared to Boromir)

    • @baguettegott3409
      @baguettegott3409 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes! The Frodo-Sam part really is the emotional core of the story, and while I love me some epicness as much as the next... person (is there a gender neutral form of this phrase?), I don't like that many people dismiss those parts outright because there's less epic battle.

  • @Hoezi02
    @Hoezi02 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cant wait for your take on the 3rd part :D

  • @ikoandreas5085
    @ikoandreas5085 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Are you watching the extended editions

    • @Real28
      @Real28 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I made sure my first viewing was the extended version. No regrets.

    • @ikoandreas5085
      @ikoandreas5085 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Real no regrets for me neither. My dad had a triple box set all extended so it took my 2 years to realise that i was watching the extended editions.

    • @audreyandremington5265
      @audreyandremington5265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I really hope that he is.

    • @lettuceprime4922
      @lettuceprime4922 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      he's not

    • @audreyandremington5265
      @audreyandremington5265 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lettuceprime4922 noooooo how ?!?

  • @raisinpanda7967
    @raisinpanda7967 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In regards to the "toe-break" scene, Viggo had to do that scene over and over and over again because Peter Jackson REALLLY wanted the helmet to go straight into the camera because he thought it would look nice. Viggo was kicking a metal helmet over and over again and on that last take he broke his foot, and he channeled the pain into the anguished scream you see Aaragorn give. Jackson decided to keep it because it was the most passionate take and the helmet landed the closest to the camera that time. There were a few injuries! In the first movie at the river before the fellowship broke up at Amon-Hen, Sean Astin (sam) Sliced his foot open badly on some broken glass in the water. Then in the second film, Orlando Bloom fell off his horse and cracked his ribs!

    • @dwilborn1257
      @dwilborn1257 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And don't forget Merry's splinter

  • @bradyveltin9048
    @bradyveltin9048 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh no! I clicked on the fellowship video in my recomendeds thinking you’d already done the full trilogy. Now here I am, after making my dinner during the first two, sitting with a plate in front of me and no RotK video.
    Have a like anyways.

  • @andyhall109
    @andyhall109 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff. Looking forward to the final part.

  • @rafaelc.c.
    @rafaelc.c. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The best trilogy of all time and some of the best movies of all time.

  • @Subutaii
    @Subutaii 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The fall did not kill Gandalf, he got that extra xp kill clean

  • @dbuck5350
    @dbuck5350 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think your channel just gets better and better.

  • @sokandueler9578
    @sokandueler9578 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Each of the wizards are a member of a race of beings called Maiar (MY-are). Each wizard is also connected to a Valar. Gandalf chased Durin’s Bane (the balrog) up to the mountain peak and killed him. The fight killed Gandalf, though, and he returned to Valanor. Gandalf’s Valar gave him a new body and identity and he was “sent back until [his] task was done.”

  • @Yensid951927
    @Yensid951927 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    4:00 Yeah, defiantly dug the grey look better.

  • @rjaneiken6650
    @rjaneiken6650 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    When is return of the king coming?😊

  • @vanyadolly
    @vanyadolly 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you think you're falling for Aragron now, just wait until he sings in the last movie. And you should watch the extended editions after you're finished. They leave out some downright essential scenes for Faramir and Boromir, and Saruman in the third movie.

  • @jackychang9148
    @jackychang9148 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Where's Return of the King? Is it still going to happen?

  • @fumbledpersonality
    @fumbledpersonality 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    PLEASE when you're done with the movies, listen to the books read by Rob Ingles. The books put the amazing movies to shame in comparison (I absolutely love both books and movies)

    • @chelsbells27
      @chelsbells27 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or he could just actually read the books lol

  • @justabitofamug6989
    @justabitofamug6989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That's what I love about fantasy- it's magic, you just have to go with it! Techno babble always distracts me from the important parts as I think about 'that's not how genes work'

  • @rdevries3852
    @rdevries3852 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "My boy Gimli would be totally on those numbers with a bow and arrow. An axe is much harder to use, alright?"
    Well, actually... Historically speaking, longbows like the one Legolas is using, were among the _hardest_ weapons to master.
    Just the physical conditioning required to fully draw a heavy draw weight war bow repeatedly took quite some effort. Actually learning to fire arrows with speed and precision was a long, _long_ process.
    That said, especially in a siege setting like this, a ranged weapon like a bow _does_ let you get a significant head start on the killing over someone restricted to melee.

  • @jontiruell1934
    @jontiruell1934 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The ents storyline against Saruman can be viewed as a commentary on industrialisation destroying the natural magic of our world and how it eventually effects everone. Kind of like that quote that goes something like 'All evil needs is for good people to do nothing'. I also think the patience required by us to watch it gives an idea of the patience merry and pippin need and the frustration they must be feeling

  • @ikoandreas5085
    @ikoandreas5085 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Never clicked so fast

  • @TrithemiusFinnegan
    @TrithemiusFinnegan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    6:03 well too bad for you that it isn’t “nonsense” huh? Elvish is a real genuine language, phonetically and graphetically.
    There are two dialect variations: Sindarin and Quenya.
    Constructed by J.R.R. Tolkien himself WAAAY before he created the Lord of the Rings characters. In fact he wrote the Hobbit, the Lord of the Rings, and his mythopoeic works (which his son Christopher Tolkien eventually published) known as The Silmarillion, specifically as a home for his languages.

    • @RexOrbis
      @RexOrbis 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you're completely misunderstanding what he meant.

    • @TrithemiusFinnegan
      @TrithemiusFinnegan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Rex Orbis Having the enabled means to elaborate, please do so with a sufficiently cohesive answer as to what you think he meant by “nonsense” other than *I’m too lazy to use google*
      That’s not even a problem either way, the foreign dialogue exchanges [in Dwarvish, Elvish, Entish(Tree-ish), or Black Speech(Orkish)] whose subtitles aren’t displayed in the films don’t retract from the experience, they actually enforce the authentic immersion into a secondary reality.
      Other than using google (which will take you about 5 seconds), anybody can get an idea of what they’re saying by simply hearing the intention in the tone of voice, thanks to the wonderful vocal & linguistic coaches behind Peter Jackson’s team teaching the actors the correct pronunciations, along with the English translations in order for the actors to perform Tolkien’s constructed languages with an understanding of its grammar, syntax, and phonology.
      Just like the very protagonists of the story: most of the members of the fellowship go through occasional instances where they can’t understand the language of the other races. In this way, the fellowship members feel relatable to anyone who has ever travelled to a foreign country or to anyone who has ever overheard two people speaking in a foreign language.
      So please expound as to how something with such great artistic detail can be taken as nonsense???

  • @jalaaldous3511
    @jalaaldous3511 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your Doctor Who videos so much, I'm so happy you're watching Lotr, I really hope you continue to make Lotr videos, breaking down character and themes once you've finished RotK

  • @micsulli19
    @micsulli19 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For Return of the King, you MUST watch the Extended Edition! It is THE definitive version!

  • @mrobligatory.5234
    @mrobligatory.5234 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Whenever you see a chilé keep in mind some of them came from this trilogy.

  • @dan-mb2ne
    @dan-mb2ne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Gandalf the grey died in the first film and Gandalf the white was summoned in the seconde

    • @jeckjeck3119
      @jeckjeck3119 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      God just played revival to bring Gandalf from the GV and then used polymerization to combine him with light magician.

  • @ephriamwinslow4103
    @ephriamwinslow4103 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm actually early lmao! I waited for this video and it's finally here!! I loved your first vid so much