I’ve stood on a hayrack wagon watching an old new holland hayliner tying knots a bazillion gazillion times! How they figured out that would work must’ve taken a few tries. You can look at almost every single machine and they pretty much use the same thing. And that hayliner hardly ever missed
I drive tractors for a living doing mainly cultivation and drilling. But square bailers take the cake for the most complex things in agriculture I reckon. Maybe tied with combines, but it's amazing how someone came up with this idea and made it work
that tech is older than from 70's , bcoz when i was a kid, and now im 36, we had a machine that would tie straw, it did look almost exactly the same, except there was no edge on that 'finger' thing that grabs the knot, maybe it was used up, bcoz that machine at my grandfathers farm was there for at least 15~20 already. Would be interesting to know how it's called, then we could look up in which year the patent was made. I am pretty sure that Industry had used it first, and then a mobile version made it to farming machines. Forgot to add, we did not have the nylon string back then, there was something else, i may be wrong but it did feel like it had some wood component in the fibers , or the fibers were actually made of wood.
Before poly the twine was sisal, similar to Hessian sacks, jute. An American called John Appleby developed the twine knotter, he should be up there with Harry Ferguson, Cyrus McCormick and Henry Ford for the contribution he made to agriculture but he is all but forgotten 😢
I'm pretty sure this is effectively the same knotter invented by Cyrus McCormick for the first binder he invented. No one has come up with a different or better solution.
As a kid I was fascinated by the baling machines on the farm especially the knot tying mechanisms and wire twisting on balers that used wire. The whole machine worked in unison and when it didn't I knew why. I studied the dang things. Along with all the others we operated. I still like farm equipment. Combines of all types are the most fun. Am I weird?
Yes, you are very weird, but as a fellow Cook, I can confirm that it is to be expected. Have fun with your weird live Mr. Cook. Go study some farm equipment.
No Darrell, you're not weird. I too love machinery and all sorts of mechanisms, whether simple or super complex. I absolutely love to take something apart that I've never seen before, to figure out how it works, and or how to fix it.
I guess what this shows is the ingenuity that’s common in mass manufacturing. They’ve taken a relatively simple manufacturing process and placed it on a portable machine.
How did you set up to tie with the chamber empty. I'm going to go through my knotters this winter and I want to get them adjusted long before mowing hay.
What are you using to maintain tension on the twine as you test this? I've been trying a tarp strap holding the twine towards the end of the bale case. My knots get tied but stuck on billhook and do not release cleanly like this video shows.
I went to school for New Holland balers. I could diagnose most knotter issues with a quick glance. The owners ma use gave great examples of what to look for and what to adjust.
Good plastic twine is stronger than sisal, allowing for heavier, more tightly packed bales with less breakage. The downside is it doesn't decompose so dispose of it carefully, lest it wind up in manure spreader beaters, lawn mower blades and other places where it will cause problems.
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So simple and at the same time so genius to design.
That is a smooth operation! Definitely knot what I expected
Get out
I thought about passing by, but got roped into watching.
I’ve stood on a hayrack wagon watching an old new holland hayliner tying knots a bazillion gazillion times! How they figured out that would work must’ve taken a few tries. You can look at almost every single machine and they pretty much use the same thing. And that hayliner hardly ever missed
I drive tractors for a living doing mainly cultivation and drilling. But square bailers take the cake for the most complex things in agriculture I reckon. Maybe tied with combines, but it's amazing how someone came up with this idea and made it work
So clever engineering but when the timing is out, it will make you pull your hair out.
that tech is older than from 70's , bcoz when i was a kid, and now im 36, we had a machine that would tie straw, it did look almost exactly the same, except there was no edge on that 'finger' thing that grabs the knot, maybe it was used up, bcoz that machine at my grandfathers farm was there for at least 15~20 already.
Would be interesting to know how it's called, then we could look up in which year the patent was made.
I am pretty sure that Industry had used it first, and then a mobile version made it to farming machines.
Forgot to add, we did not have the nylon string back then, there was something else, i may be wrong but it did feel like it had some wood component in the fibers , or the fibers were actually made of wood.
Before poly the twine was sisal, similar to Hessian sacks, jute. An American called John Appleby developed the twine knotter, he should be up there with Harry Ferguson, Cyrus McCormick and Henry Ford for the contribution he made to agriculture but he is all but forgotten 😢
@@Mackeson3 agreed - it's such a clever mechanism !
I'm pretty sure this is effectively the same knotter invented by Cyrus McCormick for the first binder he invented. No one has come up with a different or better solution.
there were two knotters the mccormick and the deering the deering became the more popular. mccormick knots have a loop in them
the Appleby Knotter in 1878 and a binder in 1879. In 1881, Appleby sold his invention to Cyrus McCormick for $35,000.
It's simple when you see it at that speed - Thanks for sharing!
I know how a Dear John letter, unties one.
As a kid I was fascinated by the baling machines on the farm especially the knot tying mechanisms and wire twisting on balers that used wire. The whole machine worked in unison and when it didn't I knew why. I studied the dang things. Along with all the others we operated. I still like farm equipment. Combines of all types are the most fun.
Am I weird?
Yes, you are very weird, but as a fellow Cook, I can confirm that it is to be expected. Have fun with your weird live Mr. Cook. Go study some farm equipment.
Do you guys remember as kids we took everything apart to see how it works and how it's made.👍👊.
No Darrell, you're not weird. I too love machinery and all sorts of mechanisms, whether simple or super complex. I absolutely love to take something apart that I've never seen before, to figure out how it works, and or how to fix it.
Best video I’ve seen on this
Well, something else I can get out of the how does that work drawer in my head!
This is an awesome video showing how that works, good job 👍
I can name every piece on the Baler but never knew how it worked a 100% till this video
I love this machine, beautiful engineering.
Really satisfying to watch
I heard from older techs that if you think .001 is a tight tolerance. You haven’t seen these knotters and their tolerances.
This is quite helpful. Working on these is a mix of magic and confusion
THIS IS CLEVER YOU THAKING A VIDDY OF THE KNOTTER IN ACTION AND POSTING
SPOT ON SIR 👍👍
Thank you! Always wonderd how this works, I just saw a theoretical sheme of the inventor once.
I guess what this shows is the ingenuity that’s common in mass manufacturing. They’ve taken a relatively simple manufacturing process and placed it on a portable machine.
That's exactly how I would have tied it! Amazing!
These look exactly like New Holland knotters I worked on back in the 80s.
The knotters were invented by Claas in 1921. You can see it on the first Claas emblems.
zoommodore; your right they all tie like that. Thank God for the bell hook
Que ingenioso 👌🏻
Very good
How did you set up to tie with the chamber empty. I'm going to go through my knotters this winter and I want to get them adjusted long before mowing hay.
SO cool!!!
Nice video
Came here expecting witchcraft, but...man, that is too cool.
What are you using to maintain tension on the twine as you test this? I've been trying a tarp strap holding the twine towards the end of the bale case. My knots get tied but stuck on billhook and do not release cleanly like this video shows.
Bungy chords or twine. It really only matters what it does once there is hay in it.
A little hard to see the part where the fingers pull it back through the loop, that threw me off for a minute.
The thought of getting my finger stuck in there just puts a knot in my stomach
Main thing is to keep it greased
Makes it look almost obvious. About a simple as it needs to be.
Cool!
Saw it in my feed and figured "why knot"
Oh, dear.
No fluff, exactly what the title says. Have a like.
Pure #@$% magic
My Massey Ferguson model 10 was built in 1950 and has these same knotters .
Neat! 👍🏾🤘🏾
That blue twine will f.up your lawnmover!
How to synchronize it or put it on time friend?
I would buy a tech/service manual, it shows step by step how to time it
The knotters were invented by Claas in 1921. You can see it on the first Claas emblems.
Empacadora New Holland bc5060 hace el nudo en el hilo de arriba nada más, en que sube con la aguja no lo hace, cual puede ser el problema?
Can i screen shoot
Claas is the inventor
Que madreado esta esa tecnica! Al 100. 👍💪
Those are called a Deering Knotter and are used on most of the balers
They look like New Holland knotters
Soooo thats how it does it
God
Que chingón se ve eso brother.
I have worked on bailer knoters that wouldn't tie a knot but I could never figure out completely how they worked.
I went to school for New Holland balers. I could diagnose most knotter issues with a quick glance. The owners ma use gave great examples of what to look for and what to adjust.
Are you using plastic string instead of the natural string it was designed for?
THOUGH I REALLY LIKE THE GALE KNOTTER IN HONESTY MY GALE HAS PUNCHED OUT MANY A THOUSAND SQUARS AND (NO)
ISSUES WHAT SO EVER
That's a lot of metal to tie a knot
I don’t understand. Can you slow it down?
that is so knotty
0:57
It's like a sewing machine.
Where does the inch of twine come from?
What kind of witchcraft is this?!
I think that vintage machine works better with natural (not plastic) string.
Well there ya go, if anyone told me John Deere made a knot tying machine they’d have got a very puzzled look. So this is in a baler?
Not just Jhon deer, any company that makes or made square bailers used something much like that.
Knot knot,,,,,, who's there? John Deere. John Deere who? NO John Deere Knot Tie!
Don't talk to me about Baylor notice
LOOK'S LIKE THERE'S A BIT OF NEGLECT THERE IN THE CASE IF THE KNOTTER KNIFE
LOOK'S REALLY DULL TO SAY THE LEAST SIR
ಠ__ಠ what is a john deere knotter
So, now baling twine has been replaced with some crappy plastic, just like tarps.
Good plastic twine is stronger than sisal, allowing for heavier, more tightly packed bales with less breakage. The downside is it doesn't decompose so dispose of it carefully, lest it wind up in manure spreader beaters, lawn mower blades and other places where it will cause problems.
Чудо
They need to show it at operating speed.
Why? Its to fast to see anything.
blink your eyes slow
Knot this same video again.