I'm fully convinced that Howie Roseman has bought into the idea that the wisdom of the crowd is something that is underutilized in the NFL. He follows the consensus board more than any GM I've ever seen and it really looks like it works out most of the time, as he's gotten some fantastic value on players throughout the years. From what I can remember, in the first two days of the draft over the past 4 years, he has gone with a general consensus pick with 9 or 10 out of the 13 picks he has made. The only ones that were clearly off the consensus at the time were Cam Jurgens, Tyler Steen, and Sydney Brown. And even they weren't crazy reaches, just a little off of what I expected him to do at the time. Jalyx Hunt is the one that is a little arguable... I had him as a 3rd round player and my 9th best edge, but a lot of people had him lower so the public was kinda split on his value. I love watching Howie work every year, even if I'm not a big Eagles fan.
Really you just had to be “there” to really appreciate where we/Howie is now. Pre Smitty pick, it was an entirely different process and expectations. The Eagles have had good drafts (Kelce/Cox…hell even Wentz was a good pick - in the grand scheme of things) but those were in spite of the fact the first round was usually always an OL or just some wildcard pick that was completely different than the teams true needs. Picks were seemed either entirely decided before the draft even began and the pieces fell OR they just outright neglected the way the board fell and massively overthought picks. I wanted Howie sent to Siberia after he passed on Jefferson for Raegor, although initially I was happy just to see him FINALLY spend a pick on a WR. But in keeping him, we’ve really seen a GM who’s learned from their mistakes.
The Hurts pick is a good example. I’ve like Hurts since college and was always a believer, felt he got a bad hand at Bama and was startled by the pick. It worked out tho but really that was a typical Howie pick even in 2020 just getting players and not addressing needs. This draft he passed on 2 Bama grads for a Toledo and an Iowa DB bc they really fit our scheme / needs and have upside.
I've been saying for a few years it's like Howie doesn't care about scouting. He just turns on ESPN during the draft and takes the best available player. lol
don’t let his grade dictate your opinion of the class, it’s a GOOD draft- drake maye is a bigger project, he’ll eat his words on JD. In a few years it’ll be the “better situation” argument once it happens
Commander fan here and I’m still optimistic about our long term success. And I guarantee there are a lot of us excited about the future and excited about this draft. They’re looking at Brandon Coleman at Tackle. That’s where his best tape was anyway. Also JD definitely does throw over the middle and I think you’re underestimating his ability to go through progressions and process a defense. He’s a smart and hardworking kid. Finally, Adam Peters is making an effort to fill the room with captains and high drive/character guys. We went 4-13 for a reason last year.
You can look at a heat map to see how infrequently JD threw over the middle. I don't think he's saying that he literally never does it, but it's a very small percentage of his throws. He really doesn't go through progressions well, some of that is because his WRs were very good so he probably didn't have to as much and some of that is because he'd run so often. Saying he didn't isn't the same thing as saying he can't, though.
@@TheMattTrakker and I can actually watch games to see him do it. When you have the two WRs he did in a college offense, of course the stats are going to skew to the outside, you’d be foolish not to take advantage of that. However, watching him, I see someone willing and able to throw to the middle. Also I regularly saw him get to his 3rd and 4th reads/checkdowns. He’s a pass first QB. He’s only looking to run if the rush gets there.
@@TheMattTrakker there's quite a few QB's who don't throw over the middle much. Aaron Rodgers rarely does. Russell Wilson when he was with Seattle never did. Big Ben is another guy who almost always opted for throws down field or outside the numbers. If a QB is having tremendous success not throwing over the middle why change anything?
I heard an interview with Trevor Sikkema, where he was asked why the draft community was higher on Maye than Daniels and NFL front offices were higher on Daniels than Maye. Sikkema answer was coaches in particularly are more scared off by bad fundamentals like Maye's footwork. They prefer to teach how to read defenses and things like that to a QB. Fans tend to think teaching fundamentals like foot work is easy, but if a QB already has an ingrained pattern, correcting fundamentals can be a longer process. From my own observation some QBs never get the fundamentals correct. The Commanders had Carson Wentz in 2022. He has some similarities to Maye (though there are big differences too). The similarities include a big arm and sloppy fundamentals that leads to inconsistent accuracy. Wentz's inaccuracy was a bit like Maye's inaccuracy. Some games, Wentz was fairly accurate and the next game he would be throwing a number of uncatchable balls. Wentz's fundamentals were not great; I remember beat reporters talking about how the coaches talked about how his arm angles were constantly changing and he didn't have a consistent release point. Its nice to have Mahomes ability to throw from a bunch of angles, but when throwing from a clean pocket you don't want to have a consistent throwing motion. And it just lead to inconsistent accuracy. Daniels may not have the upside of Maye, but he is a cleaner prospect in some regards.
Mccaffrey was the last pick of the third round pick 100. They did not have a 4th round pick a lot of people had Mccaffrey going in the 4th round. I know others were on the board at the time but.
for brandon coleman he was battling injuries in 2023. he had a lot better 2022 season. for instance, he gave up 0 pressures/sacks in the 2022 national championship game against that Georgia defense as a LT
I ❤ the honesty, the confidence in your process as well as your humility in hoping to be wrong on behalf of some of these young men. Truly spectacular work!
I agree that Howie and Veach are the best GMs in their respective conferences. I think the main difference is that Howie tends to take the best player available largely regardless of position or scheme/culture fit, whereas Veach is often looking for the best remaining player who fits into the Chiefs' scheme and culture. There are benefits to both methods, clearly, and I don't know that one is necessarily better than the other.
give me poles over howie. if you actually look at it, outside of carter, howie has missed a lot recently (i do love the quinyon and dejean picks, but the track record..) on the contrary poles went and got dj and caleb for bryce. got sweat to help eberflus have a top 5 defense that only allowed 15 ppg (post trade), and now odunze and swift to pair w williams. they also figured out oline. it seems like almost everything he's done has been a homerun, and he somehow landed the greatest talent we've seen since luck.
As a Commanders fan, using the grading rubric that Marcus is using I would grade our draft: 1. Jayden Daniels (B) I had a slight preference for Maye, but I was less confident in my preference than Marcus. Front offices were fairly split between Daniels and Maye. I heard two former Commanders coaches (Jay Gruden and Ron Rivera) say they would take Daniels for Kliff Kingsbury system, though Gruden said he thought Maye had the potentially higher ceiling and Rivera said he would take Maye for a pro-style offense. But the key thing for me is coaches and scouts were fairly split. If we took Maye, I probably give the grade an A, but I do think it was a much closer call between the two. 2. Jer'Zhan Newton (S) I am using S grade here to mean a great value pick. Newton was 24th on consensus board and the Commanders got him at 36. Using Jimmy Johnson's trade chart, the 24th pick is worth 740 points and the 36th pick is worth 540 points, so there is a 200 point surplus. 200 points is equal to the 78th pick. Now the consensus board could prove wrong, but it did seem like a good pick, taking best player available rather than need. If you were going to say this pick should be an A rather than an S it would be based on the idea that DT was not a need. 3. Mike Sainristil (A) Again, a nice surplus value using the consensus board. Sainristil was 40 on the consensus board and teh Commanders got him at 50. Using the Jimmy Johnson chart, pick 40 worth 500 and pick 50 is worth 40 so that is a 100 point surplus. He did fit a need. Thee Commanders have three guys who are arguably better at outside corner (Michael Davis, Emmanuel Forbes, and St. Juste). Granted St. Juste can play either slot or outside. So getting a slot corner was a need, not a pressing need because St. Juste or Quan Martin could play it, but this allows you to play Martin at Safety and rotate your three outside corners based on matchups. Sainristil in my opinion was a really good college player, who is undersized and lacks ideal athleticism, but I feel like if the coaching staff knows how to use him, he could be a top 10 slot corner with a few years. 4. Ben Sinnot (B-) As a Commanders fan I am very happy with this pick. I think Adam Peters sees him as the next potential Kyle Juscyzk. Granted that is a lofty vision, but I do think Sinnot was my number TE. Bowers was the runaway top TE, but after that I think Sinnot was probably the best combo of blocker and reciever. That said I give it a B cause the value. Maybe Sinnot makes it to 67 maybe he doesn't, but 53 is fairly expensive. To use the Jimmy Johnson chart pick 53 is worth 115 more points than pick 67. I doubt Sinnot makes it to 100, so if the Commanders wanted him they probably had to take him at 67, but I think there is decent possibility he would have been there at 67. I like the player and he fills a need, but maybe we took him a bit early. The consensus board had him at 85 for example. That said I do like Sinnot a little more than the consensus. To me, his value was probably somewhere around the 67th pick (which was the Commanders next pick) which why I grade this as a B rather than a C which is probably where I would grade if I just went off the consensus board. 5. Brandon Coleman (C-): Commanders took him at 67 and he was 104 on the consensus board. I didn't really have him on my radar before the draft other than I did note his combine testing. But using the Jimmy Johnson we lost about 180 points of value taking the 104th player at 67. Realistically I think they reached for need a bit. Given teh amount of Tackles that went after him, I don't think Coleman makes it to 100. People tend to reach for tackles due to lack of supply. As a prospect, Coleman has the physical tools, but just wasn't a good college player. He did play through some injuries in 2023 and that may have lead to his "meh" season. But I do see this as a reach. 6. Luke McCaffery (C+) He was 138 on the consensus board and he was taken at 100 so a bit of a reach. Like Coleman I didn't really follow him much before the draft. It makes it a bit harder to judge the pick because I probably like him a little bit more than 138, BUT I only came to that conclusion after teh Commanders drafted him so I probably do have some bias involved. But based on the consensus board this was a reach). 7. Jordan Magee (I like it) By the consensus board this was a reach, taken at 139 when 180 on the consensus board. Like Coleman and McCaffery I didn't really have a take on him before the draft. So I like him more than the consensus, but bias could be involved as I didn't have a take on him before the draft and I am a Commanders fan. Think he'll be a good special teamer and have a chance to develop behind Luvu, Wagner, and Davis and then probably get a chance to compete for a starting spot in a few years. 8. Domonique Hampton (I like it) Another reach going by the consensus board. He was drafted at 161 and was 192 on the consensus board. Dan Quinn does like a big nickle and Hampton as a 6'2 215 pound safety fits that big nickle welll. He is a backup, probably drafted only to be a backup and special teamer, but drafted as a scheme fit. 9. Javontae Jean-Baptiste: ( I like it) yet another slight reach as he was drafted at 222 and was 243 on the consensus board. I see him drafted as more of a good potential backup, but its hard to know what the front office was thinking. He is not explosive as a pass rusher and that limits his upside, but he is a guy who can cleanup as a pass rusher and who is a solid run defender. A guy maybe you stash on the practice squad for a year then who is your 4th or 5th DE in year 2.
For what its worth Jayden is 2 rather than 3 years older than Maye (20 months and 12 days to be exact, Maye was born on August 30, 2002 and Daniels December 18, 2000). That makes sense as Maye is a 3rd year player and Daniels is a 5th year player. They are both a little bit old for their classes as Maye was 19 as a true freshman and Daniels turned 19 in December of of his freshman year.
I agree that Maye should’ve probably been the pick at 2, but it’s hard to ignore the fact that apparently everyone in the NFL preferred JD over maye so maybe there’s something to that. I also agree that our third round picks were both huge reaches, even though I still like the players more than Marcus. I think that outside of the third round this class was sort of insane, though overall we maybe missed out on some value at times
TFG it's not just Tyler Smith... the critics slammed Travis Frederick as well, the Cowboys are known for drafting good first round olineman, so as a fan I didn't bat an eye when we drafted Guyton, I'm just going to trust our process. Go check our first round Olineman history, it is exceptional.
This is how I am. I do not trust the Cowboys FO for much, but for drafting o linemen in the first, sign me up. And since they were probably going to go Guyton at 24, you trade back and still get your dude, makes the like the pick just a little more.
For real this is the only position I feel comfortable with the Cowboys taking a Project if it was any other position and it was the same type of player I would be pissed, but it’s offensive line Will McClay knows how to draft oline
A big part of the jalyx hunt pick that makes a ton of sense is how similar he is to reddick coming out of college. Both former safeties new to the position coming out, both athletic freaks with great bend, and according to Vic fangio, it was his favorite defensive player in this whole draft. I think he has great upside with his athleticism, I expect him to likely sit behind huff or wherever baun is this year and will likely be a rotational pass rusher that you could just tell the guy to go tackle the dude with the ball in his hands. To add, he’s got bigger hands and longer arms than reddick.
Alright, I prefer Maye as a prospect, but even I have to say giving Jayden a D is way too harsh. You even somewhat defended the Michael Penix pick, but you hate this? Everyone knew they were gonna take Daniels anyway. A C would feel more appropriate. If I was looking at Coleman's 2023 tape alone, I would agree that he was a horrible pick. But his 2022 tape tells me that there's something there. I heard he was playing through injury in 2023. Even if he never works out at Tackle, the Commanders need a long-term solution at LG as well, so I don't think that pick is that bad. They should’ve done more address OT, I will say that. As for Luke McCaffrey, the Commanders were looking for a big slot WR. Luke's 6' 2" and 200lbs with athletic upside. Sure, he wasn't the best player available, and maybe there is some nepotism there, but he was what the team was looking for. They already have a dozen small slot WRs, they don't need another. Javon Baker might be the only one I could have seen them taking over him. And him coming from a family of NFL stars isn't exactly a bad thing. The league spoke on Sanders. His lack of blocking caused him to fall. I'll gladly trade up for Sinnott. Washington also had a type in entirely drafting team captains. They want these guys to be the tone setters and future leaders of their team. I get it, you have your own grading process and player evaluations, and that's fine, but giving them a D is a little much. Only time will tell how these drafts pan out, but I don't think this draft is nearly that bad.
As an Eagles fan, the two DBs address a need for talent but more importantly depth/injury. I think all our DBs got injured at one point the last several years, Slay, Blankenship, Maddox (every year), Bradberry, Brown. Having these guys who don't have injury history makes me so excited. Another note, Gainwell is an odd one, he was trending upwards the super bowl year but last year just looked way heavier and slow. I wasn't sure on Wilson, I value your input.
Was thinking this over and have a couple more comments. I know you weren't a fan of the trade, but if we picked Dejean as you suggest we should have, we still were in the same position in the 3rd round for finding an OT (Unless we instead reached for one in the 2nd). So, what were the options? Amegadjie? He's a project, which isn't what we need. Glaze? Seems to have injury issues and given he was at Maryland, probably got a good look at him. Goncalves? Maybe, tho maybe similar to Coleman. That's it for the 3rd round. Fine to be critical of the trade back and fine to be critical of taking Sinnott over an OT, but you can't be critical of both, since the latter doesn't happen if the former doesn't. As for McCaffery, someone local made an interesting point that the team wasn't going to make another pick until the 5th round. So, maybe stretch a little bit.
Not sure if it's been pointed out yet, but the end card graphic has NO twice at 6/7. One of which I believe should be CLE. Great vids though, consistently putting out some of the best NFL content, and def the best designed visuals.
Brandon Coleman is playing Tackle according to Peters. A lot of scouts interviewed by Washington media said he be a solid tackle. Based of his 2022 tape and he was banged up pretty much all year in 2023. He is also in the 99th percentile for athleticism. So do not see the hate with the selection.
Focusing on your analysis and ditching gameplay is the best move bro. You’re arguably the most thorough TH-cam guy right now. Even the best, Brett Kolman, doesn’t publicly share all the information you do. Titan up and keep it up bro 💥💥💥
Couldn’t agree more on your round 2 ding on the commanders! Trading back sacrificing Dejean to take Sainristil and Sinnott was so ridiculous, and I love Sainristil and Sinnott too. I wanted Dejean or Sainristil for my Steelers, or Tykee Smith for that matter, but passing on Dejean is ridiculous. He would walk in as the best true corner on their team. I’m playing Dejean at outside corner all day in base over their first rounder scrub last year.
We already have Bellinger, Stoll and Manherz as our blocking TEs and we needed someone who can do the things Waller can do in case he retires. Honestly had more questions with the Phillips pick cause I don't really view him as an outside corner
I'm an English Commies fan. Woke up at 05:00 for work and switched on your livestream to catch up on day one. I went in with such hope, and left with such disappointment. Also, Newton and DeJean in round 2 would have been a dream scenario going into day 2 - can't believe we gave it up...and to the Birds!
I do think the commanders trade was a bit odd however they could just not have a top grade on dejean they had a chance to draft him twice and passed on him twice they could see him as a safety rather than corner a lot of teams did
I think that has to do with his opinion on JD vs. consensus. I'm definitely more towards his opinion (maybe not AS low), but watching Nabers tape made me REALLY question Daniels' supposed deep ball proficiency. People kinda gloss over the other picks and just say that it comes down to whether or not JD works. I'm glad he made a point to mention that they really failed to address T as much as they needed to.
as a dallas fan this draft looked like a draft for the future. i think this draft is very telling of where jerry see's this team as (i think we'll miss the playoffs next year, my hot take). hopefully dak is gone, he just can't get it done when it matters. i'd love to see us get shedeur personally (i love the traits). but i think the line picks were to build stability for the next guy in 2/3 years, or if dak shows out enough for jerry this year (even tho i don't want that) then it'll give them one more swing in a couple of years.
I usually only comment when I disagree, but 95% of the time I think your evals are dead on and yourself amongst a couple other draft evaluation content creators I agree with and trust your evaluations more than anyone in the mainstream lol. Seriously love your content, and yourself and the bootleg crew, stock exchange crew, Mike renner, you guys are the best in the business and just wanna state that bc most all my comments are push back comments
I watched some tape on Theo Johnson. He was a better pass blocker than you are giving him credit for. He definitely was open on routes, and the QB just flat out missed him. Excellent option in red zone. His traits do show up on tape. He was definitely one of the better tight ends. His ras was almost identical to Jimmy Graham.
I was listening to Logan Paulsen on Craig Hoffman's Take Command Podcast and on John Keim's podcast and he said there was a theme with the Commanders draft class this year and that was taking high floor, physical football players. But there is tradeoff for taking high floor physical players and that is you pass on guys with higher ceilings. This was an older class, 9 players taken total, three 6th year players (Coleman, Hampton, and Jean-Baptiste), four 5th year players (Daniels, Sainristil, McCaffrey, and Magree) and two 4th year players (Newton and Sinnot). 7 out of 9 were team captains, it is an older class with a high football IQ. The players tend to be physical football players (even if the small ones like Sainristil). They passed on higher upside guys to get guys that fit their type according to Paulsen. Paulsen thinks they drafted Luke McCaffrey as a big slot. Said they likely were impressed by his physical traits, he'll crack a linebacker or safety, he is fearless so he can be that quasi-TE, that said at 200 pounds, he'll likely need to add 10 to 15 pounds to make that work well. Said he is a hard worker, so while he is new to receiver, he should improve in his route running and has a father who is a long time NFL receiver and brother who can guide him a bit on that. In terms of Coleman and whether he is a T or G, Paulsen said his initial take was probably a guard. Coleman is a physical player and looks and moves more like a G than Tackle. He is a bit stiff at teh hips and does not have the flexibility to stay vertical in his pass protection so he will always bend to reach with his punch which means he'll lunge a bit. His hand usage in pass protection according to Paulsen was solid, decent punch, but because he cannot stay vertical there is going to be some lunging. Does a decent of not over or under setting. He had his best season, 2022, playing almost exclusively at LT (79.6 PFF grade), but his traits do tend to indicate Guard to some extent. He had a disappoint 2023 season (57 PFF grade) but he played through a high ankle sprain that probably limited his mobility, so we probably should not make judgements too harsh based on his 2023 FILM.
Great content as always! Wanted to add that Vic Fangio reportedly said that Jalyx Hunt was his favorite player in the draft. If that's true I'm good with the pick. Definitely want out DC to have the guys it takes to do what he wants to do.
That Howie Roseman meme is quickly becomming my pet peeve. Every year media hands out an A+ to Philly. "Howie has done it again!", "Another Howie Masterclass!" Can we just look at how their draft classes actually turn out for once. So many of the big names and so called steals they got over the last like 4 years haven't rellay turned out that great. Jordan Davis, Nolan Smith, Keele Ringo, Nakobe Nakobe Dean, Jalen Reagor,... the list goes on. They usually find 1 or 2 startes with their higher picks and thats it. They are doing fine in the drafts, but nowhere near as great as a lot of the media makes it seem. I dont wanna hate on Roseman too much. He is a Top 10 GM in my book, but describing him as this GM-savant that plays chess while every other GM plays checkers is insane.
I just cannot fathom giving the Daniel's pick a D just because its not the QB you would have taken. I understand you think Maye and Daniels are in completely different tiers...but a D grade here would suggest the mother of all reaches and a complete head scratcher pick. They needed a QB and Daniel and Maye were both consensus top 4 options. As far as i am concerned that means in the absolute worst case you would call it a C to take any QB...
We shouldnt even care what the grades are. Its just one guys opinion on every players draft rank. He doesnt have nearly enough information to accurately rate over 250 players. Thats why lots of people utilize consensus boards. Draft value is determined by when you can get a player versus the likelhood that they are available at that pick @@TheMattTrakker
I'll say that there are maybe 6 or 8 teams I would have liked Guyton to go to for his own development, and the Cowboys are definitely on that list. The way they've developed OL over recent years gives me a lot of trust in them being able to develop Guyton
Finally, someone who shares my concerns with Theo (and I'm Canadian, I'm rooting for him) and I think if Waller retires its Bellinger who skyrockets. At worse, Belly is the Gronk to this very light Gronk/Hernandez combo. Yes, VERY LIGHT, I recognize that. But Theo isn't the route runner than Aaron was either. Is it me, or is holding my Bellinger stock looking up when the market is probably looking down on it right now?
With regards to the Commanders Draft, I think there's a lot that's good, a lot that's bad, and I'm not entirely sure we're trying to be competitive this year. That being said either we are very confident in these dudes we were drafting or else we are still bad at evaluating talent bc there's definitely some reaches here. I don't really expect much from us. I think Jayden looks pretty good though.
Theo Johnson gonna prove you wrong imo I think he can run routes just needs more polishing. Also, from what I have seen it seems everyone that likes the phillips pick is low on Nubin and vice versa thought that was interesting
I wasn’t high on Guyton but if Dallas liked him enough to take him in the first then I might have to change my opinion because they seem like they never miss on the offensive line early
I think you should grade the picks as they are, as opposed to "dinging" a team for making a trade that landed them said players. Downgrading a teams selections because you don't like how they acquired them seems a bit overly critical. If you like the Sainristill & Sinnott picks enough to give them "A" grades then just do that. If you want to do an episode on grading trades then that's fine too (we might like that actually) but I wouldn't factor those moves into the players grades.
As a Giants fan I was worried over WFT hiring Peters because I know he was one of the other favorites to be our GM when we hired Schoen. It was nice knowing that in a division with the Eagles and Dallas slapping us around, theres always 2 division games for free thanks to WFT. I thought new ownership, a guy like Peters coming in and the potential to draft Maye the shelflife on those freebies was expiring and we would be hopeless as clearly the worst in the E. THEN THEY HIRED QUINN to be their HC. I could take a breath, okay well theres nothing that lowers the bar for a rookie QB than hiring a DC for that job. Then they hired Kingsbury and okay, now im starting to think maybe we're still not completely fucked just yet. If anything could fuck Mayes development it would be Kingsbury as his OC for a Def first HC. But still, Maye has top 5 QB potential, what if he overcomes the shitshow to flourish? The Giants will be fucked for 10 years, easy. Then the narrative that Daniels was going at 2 and OMG THEY'RE THE SAME FUCKING WFT I KNEW AND LOVED, but surely thats just agent speak. Theres no way you take a weaker armed, thin, takes WAY TOO MANY BIG HITS to come play QB in one of the only division that still plays in cold weather stadiums in the NE and expect to challenge long term. Surely they couldn't be that silly, right? Holy shit, they actually did it. I dont hate the player but if there is a situation more set up for a QB to fail than Daniels for WFT then idk. I dont love Mayo for Maye either but NE isnt the disasterpiece WFT has been. Feel bad for Daniels tbh, and maybe thatll change and Ill feel bad for me when he destroys us but itll be overcoming the odds for damn sure. Love his WRs but not his frame, propensity for taking the most vicious hits anyone took in all of college ball the last few seasons, his average arm WHILE PLAYING IN THE ELEMENTS AT PHILLY AND NY every year. Teams who hire a HC who was a DC then draft a rookie QB instantly lose all benefit of the doubt they have the QBs and therefore the organizations best interest behind their choices. Ryans is the exception, but the track record is clear.
So I have a counter to Luke McCaffrey not being worth a 3rd RD pick, he has high WAA and high GAS (PFF metrics) which collates to guys being being solid NFL players and I think something like 70% of people with high WAA and GAS over 80 are 1-3 RD pick
Even knowing that the Commanders weren’t going to compete this year even if they had the best draft ever gives me hope that next year they can improve on this one and actually compete next year with another high first round pick.
I am wondering if Marcus has a setting on that doesn't allow comments with links in them. I have had about 3 comments disappear. All of them had links in them. None of my other comments disappeared. The links were to a Dane Brugler link, a link to the play where Jayden Daniels underthrew on a TD to Brian Thomas that Marcus mentioned, and a link to a consensus board.
Marcus, you giving your raw emotions on the commanders take is exactly why I not only sub to you but am a Patreon member. It really shows how much time and passion you put into this line of work. Thank you for always being real!
Commanders fans are gonna feel some type of way about this vid, huh? Lmao. I believe in Daniel’s over Maye personally, but only time can tell. The Luke McCaffrey pick was where I said “okay, this organization doesn’t quite know what they’re doing”. Like you said if he wasn’t a McCaffrey he’d be a Day 3 to UDFA player.
I don't know about that. All of those WRs Marcus mentioned over McCaffrey all had one thing in common. They're small. Washington already has like 10 small, slot WRs. They wanted to add a big slot WR, and LMC fits the bill. The only one of those guys I could have seen them taking instead would have been Javon Baker. I agree guys like Gould and Washington were better players, but they didn't fit the mold of what the team was looking for. LMC has a lot of work to do, but he has more upside than I think ppl are giving him credit for.
To be fair the the Cowboys, the last five offensive lineman draft picks, have all been pro bowlers/all pros if there’s any team to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to drafting a line in the first round. It’s probably the Cowboys I remember when they got shitted for drafting, Travis Frederick I actually like the pick up the time because our center was ass and I do like that they’re trying to establish a good oline
Safeties are slept on every year. Nubin’s far better than you make em out to be. I absolutely love Bullard and Tykee, I’m with you on them, but Nubin’s a stud in his own right. I think he’ll he haunt ya. When you say what the tape shows, you should really phrase it as what the tape shows to you. Lots of folks see things differently.
As a Washington fan I did not like our first second round pick. Newton is a great player but feels more like a luxury pick then a pick that could've helped us right now. I would've much rathered gotten a Cooper Dejean with the Newton pick and potentially still take Sainistrill with that second pick. Just didn't make sense drafting a player in a position that is arguably one of the best DT duos in the NFL
Newton is a stud. Y'all are likely moving on from Allen this year anyway since you'll save a bunch of money on his contract. Even if you don't it never hurts to have more guys in the rotation especially with Payne and Allen getting older
There's nothing wrong with going BPA. Besides Jonathan Allen isn't getting any younger, and you need a good rotation on the IDL. Allen and Payne were playing way too many snaps last year. Besides, Quinn runs a lot of 3-4 fronts, so I expect all 3 to be on the field together a lot of the time.
Zip on the fastball is what caught my eye, even just watching highlights which are supposed to be his best throws. You can see the ball through the air very easily while watching him. Most good QBs u see the windup and then the ball hitting the target. Jayden's balls are extremely visible(no pun intended) flying through the air on the TV screen. I'm scared elite NFL DBs are going to be able to undercut his receivers to make a play on the ball often. I really hope I am wrong.
Not gonna lie, I'm getting slight Lions 2023 Draft vibes with the Commanders picks. I think they got some really good players with their first 4 picks and critique is where they got them rather than the players themselves. Plus there's almost a direct parallel in player types with Sainristil and Sinnot being really similar to Brian Branch and Sam LaPorta lol. I liked Maye over Daniels too, but if Jayden develops into a borderline Top-10 QB like he's capable of I think he'd return value. It's gonna be real interesting to see how this plays out.
I noticed Jonny Wilson was sliding and my team was only like 3 picks away and i was excited! Then the Eagles take him and i literally screamed "God Dam* it!!!" How do they keep doing this?
Washington's draft is weird in the sense that, I really love a lot of the players that they brought in... but there are two big problems: 1) They had a TON of draft capital and got less talent than they should have and 2) a big chunk of it doesn't make sense with their current roster construction. I disliked the Falcons' draft more, but I can understand why you'd put this one lower given how much draft capital Washington seemingly wasted.
Exactly even Connor Williams and Tyler Biadez were solid guys...he just hating...he was hating on Tyler Smith too...ig he thinks all the other tackles taken before Guyton gon come in all pros
Even as a Steelers fan I will agree that the eagles had the better draft. Theyre the only team I’ll concede to. Landing Mitchell and Dejean just shouldn’t happen. All the horrid GMs in this league that made ridiculous picks on absolute projects while Dejean slides to pick 40….. that is F’ing ridiculous. Regardless of what needs are. You don’t let Dejean slide to 40
You can feel how you want about JD but I can't get how Maye is a better prospect. Absolutely awful footwork which leads to him missing recievers BADLY along with inconsistent ball placement on open guys 10 yards away. Not to mention the questionable decision making and his awful play against good defenses. Jayden on the other hand has much better mechanics. Was a lot more consistent on a week to week basis against better competition like Bama for example (although Ole Miss and Florida were terrible but still). It was hard for me to find a game from Maye where he was playing at a high level for a full four quarters in a game and overall is too big of a risk at #2 with JD on the board. There's a reason why Peters only seriously considered JD and JJ over him
Maye was top 5 cumulatively of 30 first round QBs since 2017 in advanced stats (the kind that have a good correlation to NFL success) Daniels took until his 5th year to look great. At 20 years old Maye was a top 3 lock. Your own GM told Jayden at 22 he was a 5th round pick. That’s AWFUL process. Mayes footwork was bad in a college offensive system that literally doesn’t care about footwork. You can not teach his better size, analytics, arm talent, and age. For Daniels to hit as a 2nd overall player, he has to become a huge outlier in final year +EPA, drafted age, and pressure to sack %. Good luck
If Maye is ever good, it won't be for 3-4 years. Commanders needed somebody with a high enough floor that he could potentially start games this season.
Good god you discount rushing production way too hard man. You literally almost utilize it as a negative for player evals. I’m with you Maye was the superior prospect, but Daniels is gonna make you look bad. Every prospect has warts, no one is perfect bruh, the tools he wins with has proven to work. A D grade is ridiculous man. Daniels is a good prospect who can be a dangerous player. I can see Daniels being Kyler Murray caliber player. Maye is a special talent im with ya, but you’re def just being a hater with Daniels
Always interesting seeing different views, especially with EJ Snyder spending most of the draft saying, "Man, the Commanders are killing it." First off, the only way Commanders don't get an A for their first pick is if they go completely off script. They don't, so they get an A. You can quibble about which one (and you can make arguments for quite a few), but to give them a D just because it wasn't the one you wanted is silly. Yes, I did cringe a bit when Dejean was selected there, but they got some parts that fit needs. Maybe I would have reversed the order of Sinnott/Coleman and have more of a choice at OT, but they got some fine players. Coleman is the biggest question mark. Team drafted him to be an OT, so forget your guard talk. Logan Paulson took a closer look at his tape, and thinks he can play OT in the NFL. How well? Don't know yet. But, he does think he has a high enough floor to play somewhere on the OL. As for McCaffrey, I like his tape. He made some ridiculous catches. Also, extremely tough. I get some of the separation concerns, tho being a big slot helps with that. That being said, a lot of people see some Puka Nacua in his game. He's unlikely to have that sort of production, but I like what I have seen. I give the draft a B, primarily because they really needed to come out of this draft with an OT that can play at some point this year, and I don't know if Coleman is it.
@wavern0410 some of his criticisms are odd. Yes, he looks to run a lot, but that's a lot of running QBs. Being able to look down field more on the move can be learned. Throwing in the middle of the field? The offense didn't do that, and with those receivers, you probably are going to throw outside a lot. Arm strength is slightly overrated, in that you don't need a great arm to succeed in the NFL.
@@jbirzer _My_ fear regarding that is Cliff Kingsbury. You know, the guy who tried to force Kyler Murray to be more of a pocket passer & couldn't win with Mahomes in college? He gives me the feeling that he literally can't conceive of "out of structure" as a concept. I don't think he has the patience to teach anything. Still, we'll see.
@@jbirzer And those running qbs don't do well. "They can learn" is exactly what people kept saying about Fields. People constantly make the comp to Lamar, which is incorrect when you look at his scramble % and convince themselves that every running QB is going to become him. You're arguing things that have consistently shown to be issues with the college to NFL transition aren't an issue for Daniels because...reasons? Maybe Jayden does end up becomming an exception.
@@jbirzerthe extent of his reads was choosing which wide open receiver he wanted to throw too. If you wanna see him face actual adversity from nfl talent, look at the fsu vs lsu game. I watched that thinking Daniels was a terrible quarterback, and yet he ended up winning the heisman because of the teams they played
Man I remember watching those fully realistic rebuilds ya did back when ya had 20 k subs now you're rocking in the big leagues brother!
Damn those were pretty dope
@@FriendlyNeighborhoodGentile😂😂😂
Just that you know, Markus: Howie & Nick already told the media after day 3 that they gonna use Johnny Wilson as a WR.
Thank god
Probably the 6th receiver on the roster. He’s so raw. Maybe a practice squad guy
Sorry TFG, but ignoring rizz God Sam Hartman that Washington got as a UDFA pickup means the draft is automatically S tier.
Having Daniels as a D solely bc they passed on Maye is wild
I'm fully convinced that Howie Roseman has bought into the idea that the wisdom of the crowd is something that is underutilized in the NFL. He follows the consensus board more than any GM I've ever seen and it really looks like it works out most of the time, as he's gotten some fantastic value on players throughout the years.
From what I can remember, in the first two days of the draft over the past 4 years, he has gone with a general consensus pick with 9 or 10 out of the 13 picks he has made. The only ones that were clearly off the consensus at the time were Cam Jurgens, Tyler Steen, and Sydney Brown. And even they weren't crazy reaches, just a little off of what I expected him to do at the time. Jalyx Hunt is the one that is a little arguable... I had him as a 3rd round player and my 9th best edge, but a lot of people had him lower so the public was kinda split on his value.
I love watching Howie work every year, even if I'm not a big Eagles fan.
Really you just had to be “there” to really appreciate where we/Howie is now.
Pre Smitty pick, it was an entirely different process and expectations. The Eagles have had good drafts (Kelce/Cox…hell even Wentz was a good pick - in the grand scheme of things) but those were in spite of the fact the first round was usually always an OL or just some wildcard pick that was completely different than the teams true needs. Picks were seemed either entirely decided before the draft even began and the pieces fell OR they just outright neglected the way the board fell and massively overthought picks.
I wanted Howie sent to Siberia after he passed on Jefferson for Raegor, although initially I was happy just to see him FINALLY spend a pick on a WR. But in keeping him, we’ve really seen a GM who’s learned from their mistakes.
The Hurts pick is a good example. I’ve like Hurts since college and was always a believer, felt he got a bad hand at Bama and was startled by the pick. It worked out tho but really that was a typical Howie pick even in 2020 just getting players and not addressing needs. This draft he passed on 2 Bama grads for a Toledo and an Iowa DB bc they really fit our scheme / needs and have upside.
I've been saying for a few years it's like Howie doesn't care about scouting. He just turns on ESPN during the draft and takes the best available player. lol
Being a Washington fan is rough.... it's like i woke up and decided I wanted to be depressed for life 😭🤣
at least your not an Atlanta Falcon fan
@genethedancinmachine5483 Washington hasn't seen a NFC Championship game since 1991. Hasn't won a playoff game since 2005, I think.
@@genethedancinmachine5483 But the Falcons play in a garbage division, the Commanders less so.
@@TheMattTrakkerpoint still stands
don’t let his grade dictate your opinion of the class, it’s a GOOD draft- drake maye is a bigger project, he’ll eat his words on JD. In a few years it’ll be the “better situation” argument once it happens
Commander fan here and I’m still optimistic about our long term success. And I guarantee there are a lot of us excited about the future and excited about this draft. They’re looking at Brandon Coleman at Tackle. That’s where his best tape was anyway. Also JD definitely does throw over the middle and I think you’re underestimating his ability to go through progressions and process a defense. He’s a smart and hardworking kid. Finally, Adam Peters is making an effort to fill the room with captains and high drive/character guys. We went 4-13 for a reason last year.
You can look at a heat map to see how infrequently JD threw over the middle. I don't think he's saying that he literally never does it, but it's a very small percentage of his throws. He really doesn't go through progressions well, some of that is because his WRs were very good so he probably didn't have to as much and some of that is because he'd run so often. Saying he didn't isn't the same thing as saying he can't, though.
@@TheMattTrakker and I can actually watch games to see him do it. When you have the two WRs he did in a college offense, of course the stats are going to skew to the outside, you’d be foolish not to take advantage of that. However, watching him, I see someone willing and able to throw to the middle. Also I regularly saw him get to his 3rd and 4th reads/checkdowns. He’s a pass first QB. He’s only looking to run if the rush gets there.
@@TheMattTrakker there's quite a few QB's who don't throw over the middle much. Aaron Rodgers rarely does. Russell Wilson when he was with Seattle never did. Big Ben is another guy who almost always opted for throws down field or outside the numbers. If a QB is having tremendous success not throwing over the middle why change anything?
@@brandondillman5841being able to efficiently throw over the middle of the field puts soooo much strain on a defense.
I heard an interview with Trevor Sikkema, where he was asked why the draft community was higher on Maye than Daniels and NFL front offices were higher on Daniels than Maye. Sikkema answer was coaches in particularly are more scared off by bad fundamentals like Maye's footwork. They prefer to teach how to read defenses and things like that to a QB. Fans tend to think teaching fundamentals like foot work is easy, but if a QB already has an ingrained pattern, correcting fundamentals can be a longer process.
From my own observation some QBs never get the fundamentals correct. The Commanders had Carson Wentz in 2022. He has some similarities to Maye (though there are big differences too). The similarities include a big arm and sloppy fundamentals that leads to inconsistent accuracy. Wentz's inaccuracy was a bit like Maye's inaccuracy. Some games, Wentz was fairly accurate and the next game he would be throwing a number of uncatchable balls. Wentz's fundamentals were not great; I remember beat reporters talking about how the coaches talked about how his arm angles were constantly changing and he didn't have a consistent release point. Its nice to have Mahomes ability to throw from a bunch of angles, but when throwing from a clean pocket you don't want to have a consistent throwing motion. And it just lead to inconsistent accuracy. Daniels may not have the upside of Maye, but he is a cleaner prospect in some regards.
Someone needs to tell Marcus that Coleman was playing hurt last year and to check out the 2022 tape.
You tore into the Coleman pick even tho Adam peters stated the same day he was drafted the goal was for him to play tackle and not guard lol
Mccaffrey was the last pick of the third round pick 100. They did not have a 4th round pick a lot of people had Mccaffrey going in the 4th round. I know others were on the board at the time but.
for brandon coleman he was battling injuries in 2023. he had a lot better 2022 season. for instance, he gave up 0 pressures/sacks in the 2022 national championship game against that Georgia defense as a LT
Coleman played significantly more snaps at T in college than guard, and graded a lot higher when playing T.
I ❤ the honesty, the confidence in your process as well as your humility in hoping to be wrong on behalf of some of these young men. Truly spectacular work!
Praying you’re wrong about Daniels 😂😂😂 keep up the banger content Marcus💪🏼💪🏼
I agree that Howie and Veach are the best GMs in their respective conferences. I think the main difference is that Howie tends to take the best player available largely regardless of position or scheme/culture fit, whereas Veach is often looking for the best remaining player who fits into the Chiefs' scheme and culture. There are benefits to both methods, clearly, and I don't know that one is necessarily better than the other.
give me poles over howie. if you actually look at it, outside of carter, howie has missed a lot recently (i do love the quinyon and dejean picks, but the track record..) on the contrary poles went and got dj and caleb for bryce. got sweat to help eberflus have a top 5 defense that only allowed 15 ppg (post trade), and now odunze and swift to pair w williams. they also figured out oline. it seems like almost everything he's done has been a homerun, and he somehow landed the greatest talent we've seen since luck.
You’re the only analyst I watch man, appreciate the great work. No where else are you gonna get gems like “last name Washington, come on!” Lmao
As a Commanders fan, using the grading rubric that Marcus is using I would grade our draft:
1. Jayden Daniels (B) I had a slight preference for Maye, but I was less confident in my preference than Marcus. Front offices were fairly split between Daniels and Maye. I heard two former Commanders coaches (Jay Gruden and Ron Rivera) say they would take Daniels for Kliff Kingsbury system, though Gruden said he thought Maye had the potentially higher ceiling and Rivera said he would take Maye for a pro-style offense. But the key thing for me is coaches and scouts were fairly split. If we took Maye, I probably give the grade an A, but I do think it was a much closer call between the two.
2. Jer'Zhan Newton (S) I am using S grade here to mean a great value pick. Newton was 24th on consensus board and the Commanders got him at 36. Using Jimmy Johnson's trade chart, the 24th pick is worth 740 points and the 36th pick is worth 540 points, so there is a 200 point surplus. 200 points is equal to the 78th pick. Now the consensus board could prove wrong, but it did seem like a good pick, taking best player available rather than need. If you were going to say this pick should be an A rather than an S it would be based on the idea that DT was not a need.
3. Mike Sainristil (A) Again, a nice surplus value using the consensus board. Sainristil was 40 on the consensus board and teh Commanders got him at 50. Using the Jimmy Johnson chart, pick 40 worth 500 and pick 50 is worth 40 so that is a 100 point surplus. He did fit a need. Thee Commanders have three guys who are arguably better at outside corner (Michael Davis, Emmanuel Forbes, and St. Juste). Granted St. Juste can play either slot or outside. So getting a slot corner was a need, not a pressing need because St. Juste or Quan Martin could play it, but this allows you to play Martin at Safety and rotate your three outside corners based on matchups. Sainristil in my opinion was a really good college player, who is undersized and lacks ideal athleticism, but I feel like if the coaching staff knows how to use him, he could be a top 10 slot corner with a few years.
4. Ben Sinnot (B-) As a Commanders fan I am very happy with this pick. I think Adam Peters sees him as the next potential Kyle Juscyzk. Granted that is a lofty vision, but I do think Sinnot was my number TE. Bowers was the runaway top TE, but after that I think Sinnot was probably the best combo of blocker and reciever. That said I give it a B cause the value. Maybe Sinnot makes it to 67 maybe he doesn't, but 53 is fairly expensive. To use the Jimmy Johnson chart pick 53 is worth 115 more points than pick 67. I doubt Sinnot makes it to 100, so if the Commanders wanted him they probably had to take him at 67, but I think there is decent possibility he would have been there at 67. I like the player and he fills a need, but maybe we took him a bit early. The consensus board had him at 85 for example. That said I do like Sinnot a little more than the consensus. To me, his value was probably somewhere around the 67th pick (which was the Commanders next pick) which why I grade this as a B rather than a C which is probably where I would grade if I just went off the consensus board.
5. Brandon Coleman (C-): Commanders took him at 67 and he was 104 on the consensus board. I didn't really have him on my radar before the draft other than I did note his combine testing. But using the Jimmy Johnson we lost about 180 points of value taking the 104th player at 67. Realistically I think they reached for need a bit. Given teh amount of Tackles that went after him, I don't think Coleman makes it to 100. People tend to reach for tackles due to lack of supply. As a prospect, Coleman has the physical tools, but just wasn't a good college player. He did play through some injuries in 2023 and that may have lead to his "meh" season. But I do see this as a reach.
6. Luke McCaffery (C+) He was 138 on the consensus board and he was taken at 100 so a bit of a reach. Like Coleman I didn't really follow him much before the draft. It makes it a bit harder to judge the pick because I probably like him a little bit more than 138, BUT I only came to that conclusion after teh Commanders drafted him so I probably do have some bias involved. But based on the consensus board this was a reach).
7. Jordan Magee (I like it) By the consensus board this was a reach, taken at 139 when 180 on the consensus board. Like Coleman and McCaffery I didn't really have a take on him before the draft. So I like him more than the consensus, but bias could be involved as I didn't have a take on him before the draft and I am a Commanders fan. Think he'll be a good special teamer and have a chance to develop behind Luvu, Wagner, and Davis and then probably get a chance to compete for a starting spot in a few years.
8. Domonique Hampton (I like it) Another reach going by the consensus board. He was drafted at 161 and was 192 on the consensus board. Dan Quinn does like a big nickle and Hampton as a 6'2 215 pound safety fits that big nickle welll. He is a backup, probably drafted only to be a backup and special teamer, but drafted as a scheme fit.
9. Javontae Jean-Baptiste: ( I like it) yet another slight reach as he was drafted at 222 and was 243 on the consensus board. I see him drafted as more of a good potential backup, but its hard to know what the front office was thinking. He is not explosive as a pass rusher and that limits his upside, but he is a guy who can cleanup as a pass rusher and who is a solid run defender. A guy maybe you stash on the practice squad for a year then who is your 4th or 5th DE in year 2.
For what its worth Jayden is 2 rather than 3 years older than Maye (20 months and 12 days to be exact, Maye was born on August 30, 2002 and Daniels December 18, 2000). That makes sense as Maye is a 3rd year player and Daniels is a 5th year player. They are both a little bit old for their classes as Maye was 19 as a true freshman and Daniels turned 19 in December of of his freshman year.
I agree that Maye should’ve probably been the pick at 2, but it’s hard to ignore the fact that apparently everyone in the NFL preferred JD over maye so maybe there’s something to that. I also agree that our third round picks were both huge reaches, even though I still like the players more than Marcus. I think that outside of the third round this class was sort of insane, though overall we maybe missed out on some value at times
Daniels is definitely a D at overall pick number two. If he was selected at 7th or 8th, then a B would make much more sense.
@@witpickles114 Did they?
Maye has some significant mechanical issues that will take time to fix, the bust potential is very real. Marcus ignores that for some reason
After this series you should do a vid on your biggest hits and misses
I've been watching draft content for so long and only just stumbled across your channel. Definitely underrated man keep it up.
TFG it's not just Tyler Smith... the critics slammed Travis Frederick as well, the Cowboys are known for drafting good first round olineman, so as a fan I didn't bat an eye when we drafted Guyton, I'm just going to trust our process.
Go check our first round Olineman history, it is exceptional.
This is how I am. I do not trust the Cowboys FO for much, but for drafting o linemen in the first, sign me up. And since they were probably going to go Guyton at 24, you trade back and still get your dude, makes the like the pick just a little more.
For real this is the only position I feel comfortable with the Cowboys taking a Project if it was any other position and it was the same type of player I would be pissed, but it’s offensive line Will McClay knows how to draft oline
A big part of the jalyx hunt pick that makes a ton of sense is how similar he is to reddick coming out of college. Both former safeties new to the position coming out, both athletic freaks with great bend, and according to Vic fangio, it was his favorite defensive player in this whole draft. I think he has great upside with his athleticism, I expect him to likely sit behind huff or wherever baun is this year and will likely be a rotational pass rusher that you could just tell the guy to go tackle the dude with the ball in his hands.
To add, he’s got bigger hands and longer arms than reddick.
Alright, I prefer Maye as a prospect, but even I have to say giving Jayden a D is way too harsh. You even somewhat defended the Michael Penix pick, but you hate this? Everyone knew they were gonna take Daniels anyway. A C would feel more appropriate. If I was looking at Coleman's 2023 tape alone, I would agree that he was a horrible pick. But his 2022 tape tells me that there's something there. I heard he was playing through injury in 2023. Even if he never works out at Tackle, the Commanders need a long-term solution at LG as well, so I don't think that pick is that bad. They should’ve done more address OT, I will say that. As for Luke McCaffrey, the Commanders were looking for a big slot WR. Luke's 6' 2" and 200lbs with athletic upside. Sure, he wasn't the best player available, and maybe there is some nepotism there, but he was what the team was looking for. They already have a dozen small slot WRs, they don't need another. Javon Baker might be the only one I could have seen them taking over him. And him coming from a family of NFL stars isn't exactly a bad thing. The league spoke on Sanders. His lack of blocking caused him to fall. I'll gladly trade up for Sinnott. Washington also had a type in entirely drafting team captains. They want these guys to be the tone setters and future leaders of their team. I get it, you have your own grading process and player evaluations, and that's fine, but giving them a D is a little much. Only time will tell how these drafts pan out, but I don't think this draft is nearly that bad.
We will see in 3 years if this draft was a failure. If this was truly a D draft. Then Adam Peters may not last his contract.
As an Eagles fan, the two DBs address a need for talent but more importantly depth/injury. I think all our DBs got injured at one point the last several years, Slay, Blankenship, Maddox (every year), Bradberry, Brown. Having these guys who don't have injury history makes me so excited. Another note, Gainwell is an odd one, he was trending upwards the super bowl year but last year just looked way heavier and slow.
I wasn't sure on Wilson, I value your input.
Was thinking this over and have a couple more comments. I know you weren't a fan of the trade, but if we picked Dejean as you suggest we should have, we still were in the same position in the 3rd round for finding an OT (Unless we instead reached for one in the 2nd). So, what were the options? Amegadjie? He's a project, which isn't what we need. Glaze? Seems to have injury issues and given he was at Maryland, probably got a good look at him. Goncalves? Maybe, tho maybe similar to Coleman. That's it for the 3rd round. Fine to be critical of the trade back and fine to be critical of taking Sinnott over an OT, but you can't be critical of both, since the latter doesn't happen if the former doesn't.
As for McCaffery, someone local made an interesting point that the team wasn't going to make another pick until the 5th round. So, maybe stretch a little bit.
Not sure if it's been pointed out yet, but the end card graphic has NO twice at 6/7. One of which I believe should be CLE.
Great vids though, consistently putting out some of the best NFL content, and def the best designed visuals.
Brandon Coleman is playing Tackle according to Peters. A lot of scouts interviewed by Washington media said he be a solid tackle. Based of his 2022 tape and he was banged up pretty much all year in 2023. He is also in the 99th percentile for athleticism. So do not see the hate with the selection.
Focusing on your analysis and ditching gameplay is the best move bro. You’re arguably the most thorough TH-cam guy right now. Even the best, Brett Kolman, doesn’t publicly share all the information you do. Titan up and keep it up bro 💥💥💥
Thanks man! Was a big risk but we'll worth it!
Never seen someone hate a good draft more than this Washington analysis
We can’t wait on the AFC South breakdown. Good stuff mr Guy
Couldn’t agree more on your round 2 ding on the commanders! Trading back sacrificing Dejean to take Sainristil and Sinnott was so ridiculous, and I love Sainristil and Sinnott too. I wanted Dejean or Sainristil for my Steelers, or Tykee Smith for that matter, but passing on Dejean is ridiculous. He would walk in as the best true corner on their team. I’m playing Dejean at outside corner all day in base over their first rounder scrub last year.
Sanjit reviewed Guyton, one of his favorite OL. I was hoping Raiders would have picked Beebe. Very glad with JPJ
I agree! Marist doesn’t do much for me. But Carson is so much fun to watch! Great job as always, Marcus
We already have Bellinger, Stoll and Manherz as our blocking TEs and we needed someone who can do the things Waller can do in case he retires. Honestly had more questions with the Phillips pick cause I don't really view him as an outside corner
If you wanted someone to do Waller stuff than the Theo pick is even worse IMO
4 or 5 better move Tight Ends available than him
I'm an English Commies fan. Woke up at 05:00 for work and switched on your livestream to catch up on day one. I went in with such hope, and left with such disappointment. Also, Newton and DeJean in round 2 would have been a dream scenario going into day 2 - can't believe we gave it up...and to the Birds!
I do think the commanders trade was a bit odd however they could just not have a top grade on dejean they had a chance to draft him twice and passed on him twice they could see him as a safety rather than corner a lot of teams did
your kinda the only person ive seen heavily hating on the commanders draft
bc it's very overrated, it's not that good
Because it's trash
Everyone else believes Peters is above criticism for some reason
I think that has to do with his opinion on JD vs. consensus. I'm definitely more towards his opinion (maybe not AS low), but watching Nabers tape made me REALLY question Daniels' supposed deep ball proficiency. People kinda gloss over the other picks and just say that it comes down to whether or not JD works. I'm glad he made a point to mention that they really failed to address T as much as they needed to.
@jonathanleshko how is it trash
as a dallas fan this draft looked like a draft for the future. i think this draft is very telling of where jerry see's this team as (i think we'll miss the playoffs next year, my hot take). hopefully dak is gone, he just can't get it done when it matters. i'd love to see us get shedeur personally (i love the traits). but i think the line picks were to build stability for the next guy in 2/3 years, or if dak shows out enough for jerry this year (even tho i don't want that) then it'll give them one more swing in a couple of years.
I usually only comment when I disagree, but 95% of the time I think your evals are dead on and yourself amongst a couple other draft evaluation content creators I agree with and trust your evaluations more than anyone in the mainstream lol. Seriously love your content, and yourself and the bootleg crew, stock exchange crew, Mike renner, you guys are the best in the business and just wanna state that bc most all my comments are push back comments
Thanks brother!!
I watched some tape on Theo Johnson. He was a better pass blocker than you are giving him credit for. He definitely was open on routes, and the QB just flat out missed him. Excellent option in red zone. His traits do show up on tape. He was definitely one of the better tight ends. His ras was almost identical to Jimmy Graham.
That commanders take is crazy 😂
what does the mean?
I was listening to Logan Paulsen on Craig Hoffman's Take Command Podcast and on John Keim's podcast and he said there was a theme with the Commanders draft class this year and that was taking high floor, physical football players. But there is tradeoff for taking high floor physical players and that is you pass on guys with higher ceilings. This was an older class, 9 players taken total, three 6th year players (Coleman, Hampton, and Jean-Baptiste), four 5th year players (Daniels, Sainristil, McCaffrey, and Magree) and two 4th year players (Newton and Sinnot). 7 out of 9 were team captains, it is an older class with a high football IQ. The players tend to be physical football players (even if the small ones like Sainristil). They passed on higher upside guys to get guys that fit their type according to Paulsen.
Paulsen thinks they drafted Luke McCaffrey as a big slot. Said they likely were impressed by his physical traits, he'll crack a linebacker or safety, he is fearless so he can be that quasi-TE, that said at 200 pounds, he'll likely need to add 10 to 15 pounds to make that work well. Said he is a hard worker, so while he is new to receiver, he should improve in his route running and has a father who is a long time NFL receiver and brother who can guide him a bit on that.
In terms of Coleman and whether he is a T or G, Paulsen said his initial take was probably a guard. Coleman is a physical player and looks and moves more like a G than Tackle. He is a bit stiff at teh hips and does not have the flexibility to stay vertical in his pass protection so he will always bend to reach with his punch which means he'll lunge a bit. His hand usage in pass protection according to Paulsen was solid, decent punch, but because he cannot stay vertical there is going to be some lunging. Does a decent of not over or under setting. He had his best season, 2022, playing almost exclusively at LT (79.6 PFF grade), but his traits do tend to indicate Guard to some extent. He had a disappoint 2023 season (57 PFF grade) but he played through a high ankle sprain that probably limited his mobility, so we probably should not make judgements too harsh based on his 2023 FILM.
Great content as always! Wanted to add that Vic Fangio reportedly said that Jalyx Hunt was his favorite player in the draft. If that's true I'm good with the pick. Definitely want out DC to have the guys it takes to do what he wants to do.
That Howie Roseman meme is quickly becomming my pet peeve. Every year media hands out an A+ to Philly. "Howie has done it again!", "Another Howie Masterclass!" Can we just look at how their draft classes actually turn out for once. So many of the big names and so called steals they got over the last like 4 years haven't rellay turned out that great. Jordan Davis, Nolan Smith, Keele Ringo, Nakobe Nakobe Dean, Jalen Reagor,... the list goes on. They usually find 1 or 2 startes with their higher picks and thats it. They are doing fine in the drafts, but nowhere near as great as a lot of the media makes it seem. I dont wanna hate on Roseman too much. He is a Top 10 GM in my book, but describing him as this GM-savant that plays chess while every other GM plays checkers is insane.
To be fair... I was lower on Ringo, Dean, and especially Reagor (I had a 3rd round grade on him)
I just cannot fathom giving the Daniel's pick a D just because its not the QB you would have taken. I understand you think Maye and Daniels are in completely different tiers...but a D grade here would suggest the mother of all reaches and a complete head scratcher pick. They needed a QB and Daniel and Maye were both consensus top 4 options. As far as i am concerned that means in the absolute worst case you would call it a C to take any QB...
He's grading it based on his rankings, not based on consensus.
We shouldnt even care what the grades are. Its just one guys opinion on every players draft rank. He doesnt have nearly enough information to accurately rate over 250 players. Thats why lots of people utilize consensus boards.
Draft value is determined by when you can get a player versus the likelhood that they are available at that pick
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Any thoughts on Anusiem the udfa Washington picked up? Apparently he was wanted by a few teams
I'll say that there are maybe 6 or 8 teams I would have liked Guyton to go to for his own development, and the Cowboys are definitely on that list. The way they've developed OL over recent years gives me a lot of trust in them being able to develop Guyton
"Will Shipley is Reggie Bush"
Clip that 😃
Hey TFG, Howie has stated they see Jonny Wilson as a receiver. Hopefully they stay with that mindset
Great!
do you think drake maye OROY at +1500 has value? feels like it’s too good to pass up
I love how this dude Marcus has never spelled “Wake Forest” correctly in a video lol TFG typos are just a part of the channel, gotta love it
Finally, someone who shares my concerns with Theo (and I'm Canadian, I'm rooting for him) and I think if Waller retires its Bellinger who skyrockets. At worse, Belly is the Gronk to this very light Gronk/Hernandez combo. Yes, VERY LIGHT, I recognize that. But Theo isn't the route runner than Aaron was either. Is it me, or is holding my Bellinger stock looking up when the market is probably looking down on it right now?
I'm with you
With regards to the Commanders Draft, I think there's a lot that's good, a lot that's bad, and I'm not entirely sure we're trying to be competitive this year. That being said either we are very confident in these dudes we were drafting or else we are still bad at evaluating talent bc there's definitely some reaches here. I don't really expect much from us. I think Jayden looks pretty good though.
Theo Johnson gonna prove you wrong imo I think he can run routes just needs more polishing. Also, from what I have seen it seems everyone that likes the phillips pick is low on Nubin and vice versa thought that was interesting
that title completely sums up how i frel as a giants fan, they can’t keep getting away with this
although it was indeed a reach, i think liufau will be a stud in zimmer’s scheme
Again, I certainly prefer Maye over Daniels, but he is not three years younger, it's a one and a half year gap.
If I could ask, how would you have seen RG3 if he was in this draft class?
I wasn’t high on Guyton but if Dallas liked him enough to take him in the first then I might have to change my opinion because they seem like they never miss on the offensive line early
Rewatching this a couple months later. Brandon Coleman is actually going to be their starting LT (Yikes). Also Guyton will be Dallas's LT.
Johnny Wilson certified steal lmao 🤣
We will see. He a big tall wideout who's not that fast and not the quick. He's the kind of player the media really likes to over value.
You’ve got 2 NO’s in the final graphic, pretty sure on of them should be CLE, no?
I think you should grade the picks as they are, as opposed to "dinging" a team for making a trade that landed them said players. Downgrading a teams selections because you don't like how they acquired them seems a bit overly critical. If you like the Sainristill & Sinnott picks enough to give them "A" grades then just do that. If you want to do an episode on grading trades then that's fine too (we might like that actually) but I wouldn't factor those moves into the players grades.
As a Giants fan I was worried over WFT hiring Peters because I know he was one of the other favorites to be our GM when we hired Schoen. It was nice knowing that in a division with the Eagles and Dallas slapping us around, theres always 2 division games for free thanks to WFT. I thought new ownership, a guy like Peters coming in and the potential to draft Maye the shelflife on those freebies was expiring and we would be hopeless as clearly the worst in the E.
THEN THEY HIRED QUINN to be their HC. I could take a breath, okay well theres nothing that lowers the bar for a rookie QB than hiring a DC for that job. Then they hired Kingsbury and okay, now im starting to think maybe we're still not completely fucked just yet. If anything could fuck Mayes development it would be Kingsbury as his OC for a Def first HC. But still, Maye has top 5 QB potential, what if he overcomes the shitshow to flourish? The Giants will be fucked for 10 years, easy. Then the narrative that Daniels was going at 2 and OMG THEY'RE THE SAME FUCKING WFT I KNEW AND LOVED, but surely thats just agent speak. Theres no way you take a weaker armed, thin, takes WAY TOO MANY BIG HITS to come play QB in one of the only division that still plays in cold weather stadiums in the NE and expect to challenge long term. Surely they couldn't be that silly, right?
Holy shit, they actually did it. I dont hate the player but if there is a situation more set up for a QB to fail than Daniels for WFT then idk. I dont love Mayo for Maye either but NE isnt the disasterpiece WFT has been.
Feel bad for Daniels tbh, and maybe thatll change and Ill feel bad for me when he destroys us but itll be overcoming the odds for damn sure. Love his WRs but not his frame, propensity for taking the most vicious hits anyone took in all of college ball the last few seasons, his average arm WHILE PLAYING IN THE ELEMENTS AT PHILLY AND NY every year.
Teams who hire a HC who was a DC then draft a rookie QB instantly lose all benefit of the doubt they have the QBs and therefore the organizations best interest behind their choices. Ryans is the exception, but the track record is clear.
So I have a counter to Luke McCaffrey not being worth a 3rd RD pick, he has high WAA and high GAS (PFF metrics) which collates to guys being being solid NFL players and I think something like 70% of people with high WAA and GAS over 80 are 1-3 RD pick
Hes a high upside pick. We didnt have a 4th and needed a slot WR. And its not unreasonable to take a gamble at pick 100 on a McAffery
Even knowing that the Commanders weren’t going to compete this year even if they had the best draft ever gives me hope that next year they can improve on this one and actually compete next year with another high first round pick.
Plenty of people had Trotter on day 3.
I am wondering if Marcus has a setting on that doesn't allow comments with links in them. I have had about 3 comments disappear. All of them had links in them. None of my other comments disappeared. The links were to a Dane Brugler link, a link to the play where Jayden Daniels underthrew on a TD to Brian Thomas that Marcus mentioned, and a link to a consensus board.
Do other channels allow that? Feel like that might just be a TH-cam thing.
@@ThatFranchiseGuy I don't know. It definitely could be a TH-cam thing.
I’ve been waiting for the Cowboys, thank you!
Marcus, you giving your raw emotions on the commanders take is exactly why I not only sub to you but am a Patreon member. It really shows how much time and passion you put into this line of work. Thank you for always being real!
Thank you for commenting this. Never want to change and be swayed by the masses who are upset that I don't like their moves!
You’re wrong about Jayden Daniels
he dead wrong fr
Commanders fans are gonna feel some type of way about this vid, huh? Lmao. I believe in Daniel’s over Maye personally, but only time can tell. The Luke McCaffrey pick was where I said “okay, this organization doesn’t quite know what they’re doing”. Like you said if he wasn’t a McCaffrey he’d be a Day 3 to UDFA player.
I don't know about that. All of those WRs Marcus mentioned over McCaffrey all had one thing in common. They're small. Washington already has like 10 small, slot WRs. They wanted to add a big slot WR, and LMC fits the bill. The only one of those guys I could have seen them taking instead would have been Javon Baker. I agree guys like Gould and Washington were better players, but they didn't fit the mold of what the team was looking for. LMC has a lot of work to do, but he has more upside than I think ppl are giving him credit for.
To be fair the the Cowboys, the last five offensive lineman draft picks, have all been pro bowlers/all pros if there’s any team to get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to drafting a line in the first round. It’s probably the Cowboys I remember when they got shitted for drafting, Travis Frederick I actually like the pick up the time because our center was ass and I do like that they’re trying to establish a good oline
Safeties are slept on every year. Nubin’s far better than you make em out to be. I absolutely love Bullard and Tykee, I’m with you on them, but Nubin’s a stud in his own right. I think he’ll he haunt ya. When you say what the tape shows, you should really phrase it as what the tape shows to you. Lots of folks see things differently.
Atlanta graded higher than Washington is pretty crazy
The vid I’ve been waiting for. Thanks Franchise great vid, Lets go Birds!
As a Washington fan I did not like our first second round pick. Newton is a great player but feels more like a luxury pick then a pick that could've helped us right now. I would've much rathered gotten a Cooper Dejean with the Newton pick and potentially still take Sainistrill with that second pick. Just didn't make sense drafting a player in a position that is arguably one of the best DT duos in the NFL
Newton is a stud. Y'all are likely moving on from Allen this year anyway since you'll save a bunch of money on his contract. Even if you don't it never hurts to have more guys in the rotation especially with Payne and Allen getting older
There's nothing wrong with going BPA. Besides Jonathan Allen isn't getting any younger, and you need a good rotation on the IDL. Allen and Payne were playing way too many snaps last year. Besides, Quinn runs a lot of 3-4 fronts, so I expect all 3 to be on the field together a lot of the time.
What?! We arent contenders. We shpuld take BPA. Taking Newton was a very good pick instead of reaching for a Tackle.
Zip on the fastball is what caught my eye, even just watching highlights which are supposed to be his best throws. You can see the ball through the air very easily while watching him. Most good QBs u see the windup and then the ball hitting the target. Jayden's balls are extremely visible(no pun intended) flying through the air on the TV screen. I'm scared elite NFL DBs are going to be able to undercut his receivers to make a play on the ball often. I really hope I am wrong.
Excited to watch !
coming back to how wrong u were about this draft really makes me smile
Not gonna lie, I'm getting slight Lions 2023 Draft vibes with the Commanders picks. I think they got some really good players with their first 4 picks and critique is where they got them rather than the players themselves. Plus there's almost a direct parallel in player types with Sainristil and Sinnot being really similar to Brian Branch and Sam LaPorta lol. I liked Maye over Daniels too, but if Jayden develops into a borderline Top-10 QB like he's capable of I think he'd return value.
It's gonna be real interesting to see how this plays out.
I feel like McCaffrey's gonna hit
Think you’re too harsh on the liufau. I think that he is a really good fit for what Dallas needed. I would’ve liked to see a trade down tho.
Noti gang 💪
Titans fan ,glad your here with Tfg. "Locked on Titans" dude is delusional w his take on tvondre sweat being picked in the 2nd rd
Still could have gotten Tyler Smith a round or 2 later, which is why that pick sucked. That's as a Cowboys fan, btw. Great video man!
I noticed Jonny Wilson was sliding and my team was only like 3 picks away and i was excited! Then the Eagles take him and i literally screamed "God Dam* it!!!" How do they keep doing this?
There's still 2 New Orleans' in the draft report card graphic 😂. Poor Cleveland
Thanks, I'll get it fixed.
@@ThatFranchiseGuy It's all good man, I just thought it was funny
Tyler Guyton will be playing LT for Dallas
Washington's draft is weird in the sense that, I really love a lot of the players that they brought in... but there are two big problems: 1) They had a TON of draft capital and got less talent than they should have and 2) a big chunk of it doesn't make sense with their current roster construction.
I disliked the Falcons' draft more, but I can understand why you'd put this one lower given how much draft capital Washington seemingly wasted.
Every pick of theirs after 2 was basically, "this has to be a T, right?" and it never really was.
Regret not taking a double negative?
Who was the cowboys last real bust at oline
Exactly even Connor Williams and Tyler Biadez were solid guys...he just hating...he was hating on Tyler Smith too...ig he thinks all the other tackles taken before Guyton gon come in all pros
Idk tfg for some odd reason i dont feel like arguing with you abt your draft takes today
Even as a Steelers fan I will agree that the eagles had the better draft. Theyre the only team I’ll concede to. Landing Mitchell and Dejean just shouldn’t happen. All the horrid GMs in this league that made ridiculous picks on absolute projects while Dejean slides to pick 40….. that is F’ing ridiculous. Regardless of what needs are. You don’t let Dejean slide to 40
Let’s go!! Thank you!!!
Adam Peters says they drafted Coleman to play tackle.
You can feel how you want about JD but I can't get how Maye is a better prospect. Absolutely awful footwork which leads to him missing recievers BADLY along with inconsistent ball placement on open guys 10 yards away. Not to mention the questionable decision making and his awful play against good defenses.
Jayden on the other hand has much better mechanics. Was a lot more consistent on a week to week basis against better competition like Bama for example (although Ole Miss and Florida were terrible but still). It was hard for me to find a game from Maye where he was playing at a high level for a full four quarters in a game and overall is too big of a risk at #2 with JD on the board. There's a reason why Peters only seriously considered JD and JJ over him
Bro footwork gets better
He was coached by Kelly that should be very worrying, also I say that pick coming a mile away
Maye was top 5 cumulatively of 30 first round QBs since 2017 in advanced stats (the kind that have a good correlation to NFL success) Daniels took until his 5th year to look great. At 20 years old Maye was a top 3 lock. Your own GM told Jayden at 22 he was a 5th round pick. That’s AWFUL process. Mayes footwork was bad in a college offensive system that literally doesn’t care about footwork. You can not teach his better size, analytics, arm talent, and age. For Daniels to hit as a 2nd overall player, he has to become a huge outlier in final year +EPA, drafted age, and pressure to sack %. Good luck
You can't teach the physical stuff that Maye has. Jayden Daniels is going to be a mid QB, Maye has the chance to be a top 5 qb, or a complete bust.
@@TheMattTrakker we'll see
If Maye is ever good, it won't be for 3-4 years. Commanders needed somebody with a high enough floor that he could potentially start games this season.
Good god you discount rushing production way too hard man. You literally almost utilize it as a negative for player evals. I’m with you Maye was the superior prospect, but Daniels is gonna make you look bad. Every prospect has warts, no one is perfect bruh, the tools he wins with has proven to work. A D grade is ridiculous man. Daniels is a good prospect who can be a dangerous player. I can see Daniels being Kyler Murray caliber player. Maye is a special talent im with ya, but you’re def just being a hater with Daniels
Always interesting seeing different views, especially with EJ Snyder spending most of the draft saying, "Man, the Commanders are killing it."
First off, the only way Commanders don't get an A for their first pick is if they go completely off script. They don't, so they get an A. You can quibble about which one (and you can make arguments for quite a few), but to give them a D just because it wasn't the one you wanted is silly.
Yes, I did cringe a bit when Dejean was selected there, but they got some parts that fit needs. Maybe I would have reversed the order of Sinnott/Coleman and have more of a choice at OT, but they got some fine players.
Coleman is the biggest question mark. Team drafted him to be an OT, so forget your guard talk. Logan Paulson took a closer look at his tape, and thinks he can play OT in the NFL. How well? Don't know yet. But, he does think he has a high enough floor to play somewhere on the OL.
As for McCaffrey, I like his tape. He made some ridiculous catches. Also, extremely tough. I get some of the separation concerns, tho being a big slot helps with that. That being said, a lot of people see some Puka Nacua in his game. He's unlikely to have that sort of production, but I like what I have seen.
I give the draft a B, primarily because they really needed to come out of this draft with an OT that can play at some point this year, and I don't know if Coleman is it.
@wavern0410 some of his criticisms are odd. Yes, he looks to run a lot, but that's a lot of running QBs. Being able to look down field more on the move can be learned. Throwing in the middle of the field? The offense didn't do that, and with those receivers, you probably are going to throw outside a lot. Arm strength is slightly overrated, in that you don't need a great arm to succeed in the NFL.
@@jbirzer _My_ fear regarding that is Cliff Kingsbury. You know, the guy who tried to force Kyler Murray to be more of a pocket passer & couldn't win with Mahomes in college? He gives me the feeling that he literally can't conceive of "out of structure" as a concept. I don't think he has the patience to teach anything.
Still, we'll see.
@@jbirzer And those running qbs don't do well. "They can learn" is exactly what people kept saying about Fields. People constantly make the comp to Lamar, which is incorrect when you look at his scramble % and convince themselves that every running QB is going to become him. You're arguing things that have consistently shown to be issues with the college to NFL transition aren't an issue for Daniels because...reasons? Maybe Jayden does end up becomming an exception.
@@TheMattTrakker Difference is, Daniels has run a pro-style offense where he had to read defenses, make adjustments, and go through progressions.
@@jbirzerthe extent of his reads was choosing which wide open receiver he wanted to throw too. If you wanna see him face actual adversity from nfl talent, look at the fsu vs lsu game. I watched that thinking Daniels was a terrible quarterback, and yet he ended up winning the heisman because of the teams they played