It's really nice to see the shaper making chips again. Beautiful work. If you're interested, watch my videos on making shaper tools. And please, don't be afraid to ask some questions.
Thank you so much for the kind comment!! I have been watching your shaper videos for years! I will definitely go back and watch those on tool making. I will be asking for advice from time to time as I try to figure out this machine. And THANK YOU again.....
Hiya... Congrats on your restoration, nicely done, I enjoyed watching your Journey on this. I started life doing a Toolmaker Apprenticeship at 16 after leaving school and I absolutely loved it. My Dad & Uncle ran a full Garage Business (into which they expected me to go to work but was warned off by my Mum who worked for her Parents and put in the same hours as they did and got little thanks for it (as with many kids who work in parents businesses). I mostly did Aerospace fine precision work on Bridgeports and the like and Jig Boring (and a lot of large press tool design & Manufacture). We had a 26" monster shaper, that I was taught to use (which scared the $hit out of me at 16-17yrs old), when I managed to put the devil into top gear (instead of bottom) and my life stood still while I watched the monster ram pull itself back for it's forward punch (like a heavyweight boxer in slow motion for his k/o blow). You can imagine my horror when the beast came at the work for it's cut (which was a half inch cut off a press-tool baseplate); it came full speed at the work and shoved the entire vice and workpiece and it's 4 x bolts right along the T-Slots about 3 feet off the end of the damn machine and onto the concrete floor with a huge bang and thud, which brought everyone running to see what I had done. I had never been so scared and embarrased in my life as they all started roaring with laughter one they knew I hadn't broken the machine or myself. I had a very healthy respect for that devil after that. 50yrs after doing that, I have retired and despite doing a good number of different Eng. jobs over my career, the Toolmaker in me never left, so I built a small toolroom of my own and am currently making a surface Grinder from the ground up. I have a YT Channel and hundreds of hours of footage, awaiting me to edit and upload (trying to persuade my youngest Daughter to have a crack at editing it all (she's vert gifted Art-wise, whereas I am not), I can only do engineering drawing). All the best and Thanks for your efforts... Martin.
You've had an outstanding career! I see those GIANT shapers online and it scares me just watching, LOL! I can't imagine seeing and working with a beast like that at 16-17. WOW! I totally understand 100's of hours of footage. I still have video footage from 5 years ago that needs to be edited. That is the longest part of the process. I hope your daughter helps you out. I have not artistic ability either. Good luck and thank you very much.....
Loved watching your journey. I bought an Atlas 7B myself during COVID (steal $500). I grew up as an Airforce brat with my father attached to F16 from the very early days as he transitioned from F4s. MacDill is where I Graduated High School (91) and then I Joined the Army. I was more fascinated by the Abrams Tank 😉.
Tanks are cool, LOL. I was in Korea in '91 and MacDill was an awesome base. You did steal that Atlas 7B! I paid $1300 for mine and that's after watching for years for one to come up for sale. One guy I saw on TH-cam got his for scrap value. I'm always a day late and a dollar short. And thank you very much....
@@jster1963 I was looking for a mill and came across it on Facebook marketplace. I seen it was on there for a month for $1200 and no one was biting so I offered $500 and he said come and get it. It is going to take quite some work to get right and looking good like yours.
@@mikevars8979 WOW!! You stole that machine. And I bet you had way more accessories than I had. I had to buy a few things on ebay. I'm glad you got such a great deal. Now get that baby gleaming, LOL. Good luck on the restoration.....
Fantastic what a great time watching and listening to the start of your military career. Much respect for your dedication to your academic achievement.
Excellent video series, I aquired one of these shapers yesterday. It’s in excellent condition but very dirty,. I plan to disassemble it completely as you have done. Thank you for sharing
Great job on the restoration and thanks for sharing your experiences in the Air Force. My cousin learned how to fly at RAFB and, he too flew commercial jets when he got out of the service. When asked if he would ever get in a civilian prop plane and fly he would say never because they are simply too slow.
LOL! We jet pilots used to say "Props are for boats." And they are slow. I had the same career. After the AF I flew 28 years in the airlines. And thank you for the kind words.....
Really enjoyed your series on the shaper. I have the same model, but it is in storage until I can find room in my garage. Thanks for sharing your pilot stories. The limit of my experience in piloting was a back seat dual control in a P-51. Only did it once, but it was really cool. Also have many hours with a flight simulator. Thanks for sharing your shaper experience and your piloting stories...
Thank you so much! Every pilot loves the P-51! What a sweet bird. You’re flown in it one more time than me. I’m still learning my shaper, but I love it. I hope you find room for yours. And thank you very much…..
It is a wonderful machine! As I’m learning how to use it, I have watched so TH-camrs say that it’s better for certain things. I’m loving the learning process. And thank you…..
Very nice machine. Great restore. The m1 looks epic as well. Be extra careful with the return stroke that it doesnt smack the casting. Try to keep the foot in the front well oiled.
Thank you so much! I will keep the foot well oiled and I will try my best not to crash it. I'm not sure what "m1" you mentioned. And thank you again...
Oh goody.... nice timing Jasper. Look like you wore out some parts removing installing, before you even got it built :) Wow, you did well in you wings course! Looks like you did a bit of hobby casting. Normally non-heat treated casting alloys are protty gummy and are a challenge to get a decent surface finish.
This was a great video. I like how you combine your restoration with interesting Air Force stories. I'm restoring an old South Bend Lathe, and I can only hope to make mine as pretty as yours shaper!
Thank you so much! I am proud of the shaper and now I just have to make adjustments and learn how to use it. I'm so glad RotorySMP suggested that I add my aviation stories. They have been well received. And thank you again....ps Good luck with the SB
as for belts most any auto store or farm supply. a problem with belts is they hang on a hook and take a deform set, they kind of go woop woop , on a shaper that may not be a problem, on my atlas mill it was, 2 brand new cloth belt, it's mostly how a shaper runs compaired to a mill, the fix was to use a link belt, link belt are most easy to find on amazon
belt adjustment, start by removen motor belt, just get itout of the way, then head over to the ram belt and get out your parts manule and find countershaft assembly part#S7-20, you will see 3 slouts losen cap screws ingage belt and slide up or down until the tension on the belt feels good, try not to over tighten, lock down the 3 cap screws, leve the belt ingaged, now head over to the motor, fully losen the the adjustment for the motor, put the belt on and let the wight of the motor hang on the belt, just slighy tighten the adjustment screw and lock the nut, this will but you in the ball park
I’d abandon that motor and seek out another. The heating issues seems a problem to me. Heating up with no load on it tells me it’s going to be a problem. Does the motor have a speed and HP in it? Motors generally come in speeds of 1725 RPM or 3450 RPM. I would get the slower 1725 RPM motor type. It’s a small machine but I’d go with a 1/2 HP. I believe that motor you have is a 56 frame type. So you’ll want to make sure to get a motor with that frame type.
I just may do that. I have it running cooler, but not as cool as my other machines. At least I can run it for a while and still put my hand on it. I wasn't able to do that at first. It is a 1/2hp 1725rpm motor (I just checked the tag). That's excellent info about the frame type. I may work with it a little longer and see if I can bring it back to life. And thank you so much.....
@@jster1963 Carbide doesn’t like interrupted cuts on a lathe. Many times it will end up chipping the insert. On a shaper the back drag can wreak havoc on your insert as well. You are doing fine. It’s all part of the learning.
@@grntitan1 You are right about carbide tools being very brittle and prone to breakage in a shaper but they are useful in some shaper applications but a leather cushioning heel needs attaching to the bottom back face of the tool. This leather heel is what then hits the workpiece on the return/reverse stroke and prevents the carbide from being chipped on the reverse stroke.
gears vs oil, personely, I use, bar & chain oil, why, gears will collet every thing, chips, trash any thing a bearing serface does't like. Oil yes it collet but it will flush as you reoil, self cleaning, My Shaper is mounted on a large cookey tray to collet the oil run off. Back to the oil, Bar & Chain Oil, I was watching Mr Pete and he was explaning straight wight oil vs multy, straight is sticky, bar oil is sticky
I was trying to follow what the manual said about where to put grease. I totally get it about chips. The greased parts are not in the line of chips. I don't use compressed air to clean it off, so I hope I don't have any issues. If I see chips getting in any grease, I will clean it and use oil. And thank you so much.....
@@jster1963 An old machinist once told me, if it slides grease it. If it spins oil it. I’ve always used that as my guidance unless as you pointed out that the instructions state otherwise.
"O" that sounds realy BAD, belts are not ajusted correctly, and too high of cutting speed for that leanth of cut, motor 1720 RPM, not a motor for a table saw 3450 RPM, One more item, all belts need to be a clothe covered, this will give you a better clutch action, #2 belt looks like a none covered clothe belt, yep you got the wrong motor, your slow belt speed is to fast,
My biggest weakness is adjustments. I'm not good at that. I'm not sure what you're seeing with the adjustment of the belts, but I sure could use advice on how to fix it. Also, I bought the belts from a place that sold replacement belts for the shaper. I've never heard of cloth covered belts, but if you know where I can get some, please let me know. And thanks for the information.....
What a great restoration and career. Thanks.
Thank you so much.....
Beautiful restoration! Kudos to you for your life! You worked hard and achieved much. Your dedication to task at hand is most admirable.
Thank you so much!
Excellent conclusion and restoration. Beautiful looking machine
Thank you so much!!
It's really nice to see the shaper making chips again. Beautiful work.
If you're interested, watch my videos on making shaper tools.
And please, don't be afraid to ask some questions.
Thank you so much for the kind comment!! I have been watching your shaper videos for years! I will definitely go back and watch those on tool making. I will be asking for advice from time to time as I try to figure out this machine. And THANK YOU again.....
Really nice restore work...turned out great! lots of nice detail, well done ! Enjoyed the pilot story's. Thanks
Thank you so much! I know yours will be better, so I'll be watching, LOL! Thanks again.....
Nice job, it looks great! Now it's time to practice with the tooling and settings to dial it in. Thanks for the video.
So true! And thank you very much.....
Hiya... Congrats on your restoration, nicely done, I enjoyed watching your Journey on this. I started life doing a Toolmaker Apprenticeship at 16 after leaving school and I absolutely loved it. My Dad & Uncle ran a full Garage Business (into which they expected me to go to work but was warned off by my Mum who worked for her Parents and put in the same hours as they did and got little thanks for it (as with many kids who work in parents businesses). I mostly did Aerospace fine precision work on Bridgeports and the like and Jig Boring (and a lot of large press tool design & Manufacture). We had a 26" monster shaper, that I was taught to use (which scared the $hit out of me at 16-17yrs old), when I managed to put the devil into top gear (instead of bottom) and my life stood still while I watched the monster ram pull itself back for it's forward punch (like a heavyweight boxer in slow motion for his k/o blow). You can imagine my horror when the beast came at the work for it's cut (which was a half inch cut off a press-tool baseplate); it came full speed at the work and shoved the entire vice and workpiece and it's 4 x bolts right along the T-Slots about 3 feet off the end of the damn machine and onto the concrete floor with a huge bang and thud, which brought everyone running to see what I had done. I had never been so scared and embarrased in my life as they all started roaring with laughter one they knew I hadn't broken the machine or myself. I had a very healthy respect for that devil after that.
50yrs after doing that, I have retired and despite doing a good number of different Eng. jobs over my career, the Toolmaker in me never left, so I built a small toolroom of my own and am currently making a surface Grinder from the ground up. I have a YT Channel and hundreds of hours of footage, awaiting me to edit and upload (trying to persuade my youngest Daughter to have a crack at editing it all (she's vert gifted Art-wise, whereas I am not), I can only do engineering drawing). All the best and Thanks for your efforts... Martin.
You've had an outstanding career! I see those GIANT shapers online and it scares me just watching, LOL! I can't imagine seeing and working with a beast like that at 16-17. WOW!
I totally understand 100's of hours of footage. I still have video footage from 5 years ago that needs to be edited. That is the longest part of the process. I hope your daughter helps you out. I have not artistic ability either.
Good luck and thank you very much.....
Nice job, and very enjoyable storytelling ! Have fun with you new toy !
Thank you so much.....
Loved watching your journey. I bought an Atlas 7B myself during COVID (steal $500). I grew up as an Airforce brat with my father attached to F16 from the very early days as he transitioned from F4s. MacDill is where I Graduated High School (91) and then I Joined the Army. I was more fascinated by the Abrams Tank 😉.
Tanks are cool, LOL. I was in Korea in '91 and MacDill was an awesome base. You did steal that Atlas 7B! I paid $1300 for mine and that's after watching for years for one to come up for sale. One guy I saw on TH-cam got his for scrap value. I'm always a day late and a dollar short. And thank you very much....
@@jster1963 I was looking for a mill and came across it on Facebook marketplace. I seen it was on there for a month for $1200 and no one was biting so I offered $500 and he said come and get it. It is going to take quite some work to get right and looking good like yours.
@@mikevars8979 WOW!! You stole that machine. And I bet you had way more accessories than I had. I had to buy a few things on ebay. I'm glad you got such a great deal. Now get that baby gleaming, LOL. Good luck on the restoration.....
Fantastic what a great time watching and listening to the start of your military career.
Much respect for your dedication to your academic achievement.
Thank you so much Sir! I really appreciate the kind words.....
Excellent video series, I aquired one of these shapers yesterday. It’s in excellent condition but very dirty,. I plan to disassemble it completely as you have done.
Thank you for sharing
Thank you so much! I hope you love yours like I love mine. I tend to fall in love with my machines, LOL. Good luck with yours.....
Great job on the restoration and thanks for sharing your experiences in the Air Force. My cousin learned how to fly at RAFB and, he too flew commercial jets when he got out of the service. When asked if he would ever get in a civilian prop plane and fly he would say never because they are simply too slow.
LOL! We jet pilots used to say "Props are for boats." And they are slow. I had the same career. After the AF I flew 28 years in the airlines. And thank you for the kind words.....
Man, I really want a 7B. Nice job.
It is a sweet hobby machine. And thank you very much.....
Really enjoyed your series on the shaper. I have the same model, but it is in storage until I can find room in my garage. Thanks for sharing your pilot stories. The limit of my experience in piloting was a back seat dual control in a P-51. Only did it once, but it was really cool. Also have many hours with a flight simulator.
Thanks for sharing your shaper experience and your piloting stories...
Thank you so much! Every pilot loves the P-51! What a sweet bird. You’re flown in it one more time than me. I’m still learning my shaper, but I love it. I hope you find room for yours. And thank you very much…..
Wow its lovey, great work and thanks for the videos.
Thank you very much!!
It really came out nice, I didn’t realize it was two year project. I can’t wait to see what’s up your sleeve next. Have a great day!
Thank you so much! I appreciate the kind words. And you have a nice day as well.....
Great stories and nice shaper.
Thank you so much! I appreciate that.....
Looks great!!! Congrats on the resto
Thank you so much!
great work, it looks like it will be real handy in the shop. There are certain operations that a shaper is better suited for than a milling machine.
It is a wonderful machine! As I’m learning how to use it, I have watched so TH-camrs say that it’s better for certain things. I’m loving the learning process. And thank you…..
Very nice machine. Great restore. The m1 looks epic as well. Be extra careful with the return stroke that it doesnt smack the casting. Try to keep the foot in the front well oiled.
Thank you so much! I will keep the foot well oiled and I will try my best not to crash it. I'm not sure what "m1" you mentioned. And thank you again...
@@jster1963 it looked to me like a little atlas mill. What a beauty! Maybe fp1 i cannot remember.
@@AlmostMachining Ahhh. It's my Atlas MFC Mill. I did another restoration series on that as well. And thank you!
Oh goody.... nice timing Jasper. Look like you wore out some parts removing installing, before you even got it built :)
Wow, you did well in you wings course!
Looks like you did a bit of hobby casting. Normally non-heat treated casting alloys are protty gummy and are a challenge to get a decent surface finish.
Lol. I hope you like it 😬
@@jster1963 You made a great job on that restoration.
@@RotarySMP Thank you so much!!
That a lot of effort. Awesome!Congratulations and hello from YYZ 👍
Thank you so much! And stay warm up there.....
Turned out great!
Thank you so much.....
Great series. Thanks
Thank you so much!
Great work Jster. Adam Booth has done some tremendous videos on shapers including tool grinding BTW.
His shaper is a MONSTER! I will have to re-watch his grinding video. And thank you very much....
This was a great video. I like how you combine your restoration with interesting Air Force stories. I'm restoring an old South Bend Lathe, and I can only hope to make mine as pretty as yours shaper!
Thank you so much! I am proud of the shaper and now I just have to make adjustments and learn how to use it. I'm so glad RotorySMP suggested that I add my aviation stories. They have been well received. And thank you again....ps Good luck with the SB
@@jster1963 +10 "style points" LOL!
@@KevinToppenberg LOL!! I'l take it ;-)
Success!
YES! ;-) And thank you.....
I Love the video, thanks :)
Thank you very much.....
as for belts most any auto store or farm supply. a problem with belts is they hang on a hook and take a deform set, they kind of go woop woop , on a shaper that may not be a problem, on my atlas mill it was, 2 brand new cloth belt, it's mostly how a shaper runs compaired to a mill, the fix was to use a link belt, link belt are most easy to find on amazon
Thank you.....
belt adjustment, start by removen motor belt, just get itout of the way, then head over to the ram belt and get out your parts manule and find countershaft assembly part#S7-20, you will see 3 slouts losen cap screws ingage belt and slide up or down until the tension on the belt feels good, try not to over tighten, lock down the 3 cap screws, leve the belt ingaged, now head over to the motor, fully losen the the adjustment for the motor, put the belt on and let the wight of the motor hang on the belt, just slighy tighten the adjustment screw and lock the nut, this will but you in the ball park
Great info! Thank you....
I’d abandon that motor and seek out another. The heating issues seems a problem to me. Heating up with no load on it tells me it’s going to be a problem. Does the motor have a speed and HP in it?
Motors generally come in speeds of 1725 RPM or 3450 RPM. I would get the slower 1725 RPM motor type. It’s a small machine but I’d go with a 1/2 HP. I believe that motor you have is a 56 frame type. So you’ll want to make sure to get a motor with that frame type.
I just may do that. I have it running cooler, but not as cool as my other machines. At least I can run it for a while and still put my hand on it. I wasn't able to do that at first. It is a 1/2hp 1725rpm motor (I just checked the tag). That's excellent info about the frame type. I may work with it a little longer and see if I can bring it back to life. And thank you so much.....
Carbide inserts are not for shapers. Machine looks great though
Thank you very much! I just tried a HSS bit an hour ago and it worked great. Thank you again....
@@jster1963 Carbide doesn’t like interrupted cuts on a lathe. Many times it will end up chipping the insert. On a shaper the back drag can wreak havoc on your insert as well. You are doing fine. It’s all part of the learning.
@@grntitan1 You are right about carbide tools being very brittle and prone to breakage in a shaper but they are useful in some shaper applications but a leather cushioning heel needs attaching to the bottom back face of the tool. This leather heel is what then hits the workpiece on the return/reverse stroke and prevents the carbide from being chipped on the reverse stroke.
gears vs oil, personely, I use, bar & chain oil, why, gears will collet every thing, chips, trash any thing a bearing serface does't like. Oil yes it collet but it will flush as you reoil, self cleaning, My Shaper is mounted on a large cookey tray to collet the oil run off. Back to the oil, Bar & Chain Oil, I was watching Mr Pete and he was explaning straight wight oil vs multy, straight is sticky, bar oil is sticky
I was trying to follow what the manual said about where to put grease. I totally get it about chips. The greased parts are not in the line of chips. I don't use compressed air to clean it off, so I hope I don't have any issues. If I see chips getting in any grease, I will clean it and use oil. And thank you so much.....
@@jster1963 An old machinist once told me, if it slides grease it. If it spins oil it. I’ve always used that as my guidance unless as you pointed out that the instructions state otherwise.
"O" that sounds realy BAD, belts are not ajusted correctly, and too high of cutting speed for that leanth of cut, motor 1720 RPM, not a motor for a table saw 3450 RPM, One more item, all belts need to be a clothe covered, this will give you a better clutch action, #2 belt looks like a none covered clothe belt, yep you got the wrong motor, your slow belt speed is to fast,
My biggest weakness is adjustments. I'm not good at that. I'm not sure what you're seeing with the adjustment of the belts, but I sure could use advice on how to fix it. Also, I bought the belts from a place that sold replacement belts for the shaper. I've never heard of cloth covered belts, but if you know where I can get some, please let me know. And thanks for the information.....