Fun fact: these cars were considered for the Fast Masters racing series but ultimately lost out to the Jaguar XJ220. My dad was a founder of the series. He got me out of school. We flew up to Chicago and drove a Consulier GTP to Indy. All black. It was a blast. I remember him dropping me off at school the next day in the car. All the kids asked me if it was the Batmobile.
This car may look incredibly weird, but it was an IMSA racing success. It had an excellent power-to-weight ratio, and it was effectively unbeatable. It was so good, in fact, that it was given a 300-pound weight penalty before being banned in 1991. And the odd shape isn't the result of a severely intoxicated designer, it's actually functional; in the absence of a traditional framework chassis, the body actually acts as a load-bearing surface, which means that the shape is actually necessary for its structural integrity. If you want more information on it and don't want to look it up on Wikipedia, I recommend watching Donut Media's video on it.
@@yungboicontigo9278 I think that you have successfully made one of the moist whiny posts I've ever seen. He made a joke, and you whined about it like a little tool.
Agreed. This vehicle was the most efficient mid engine v8 ever created (even more than a Koenigsegg) it goes 398kmh top speed and it was made in the US. I love this rare supercar dearly.
My brother worked for Warren building these (and the Raptor and the MT900) in Florida. He would bring prototypes home and I got to ride in them a few times. It was always ugly but it was always amazing. They could beat almost any car on the track and they were very durable. Very cool story - glad you covered this - I sent the link to my Brother to check it out.
I was their IT guy for 8 years. They had every single model they ever made in their showroom. I actually drove one around their huge parking lot in Riviera Beach once. It was pretty cool but goddamn it was ugly. It was also a hodge podge of corvette lights, volvo steering all kinds of funky stuff. There was one in the showroom that looked like a M117 fighter jet with a split front windshield (Raptor). Fun fact he changed the parking lot into a go cart race track toward the end and had a go-cart that must have done 100mph.
@@skullnofunctionThe looks of this one, I don't think are that bad and could easily be saved with some body kit parts. Add some tinted headlight covers, a front & rear diffuser , carbon fiber wheels/ maybe wider cf wheels with fender flares. Get rid of the ugly side mirrors. Upgrade brakes, suspension & do a 375+hp turbo Honda K20 swap and it'd be awesome.
The Countach? Possibly one of the ugliest cars ever built. I get it, car guys need to say "iT's bEaUtiFuL," because they feel like they need to say it.
@@littlejackalo5326 when I was 16 I wanted a Countach and had posters of it on my wall. I never thought it was beautiful but it sure was badass and fast for its day, at a time when few cars were (granted, my 987 S could run rings around one today but that's beside the point. We didn't have 987 S's in 1984). I would have embarrassed to even be seen with the Car and Driver issue with the Consulier on the cover. None of that had anything to do with supposed to's.
That car, my wild friend was a kit car from back in the 90's. I used to read Kitcar magazine drooling over Cobra kits, fiero-Ferrai rebodies etc. This car was a monster back in the day.
That's one of the best instrument panels in history..... everything in a racecar should be dependable clearly readable gages and thanks for monitoring everything important That's smart way to go Mosler
Engineers: “What kind of lines and design would you like to make for this car?” Mosley: “Something in between a dust pan, ac vent, London black cab and a Model T!” Engineers: “…”
This car was designed to cheat the air, not satisfy peoples need for a pretty car. Pure race form to go fast, not look beautiful. Like I said before, put wider rims and more rubber and this thing would be awesome. Where's mine? I want one.
@@tomyost6330 But did it sell?... You can have engineering down pact but if your target audience sees this as 'a knockoff wannabe' then it was all for nothing. Create a sexy, cool car to sell first then worry about being the mechanics
Donut did a video on this car last year ish. I saw this on Bring a Trailer a decade or so ago. The new owner has fixed a bunch of stuff from that original listing.
I saw Shane Lewis win his class in one of these at Limerock Park in CT, probably was 1990. Dad and I went down to their paddock spot and met Shane after the race. We would visit him in the paddock every year for many years after, as he drove various Moslers and Corvettes. He called us his CT fans. All the Consulier race cars had valid FL license plates.
Eh sure it’s a cool one to have, but more important than a single car is this, they should be adding the option to race against your own garage cars, then you could pit the cars you wanted against each other, direct from your garage builds, and ai convoy with them FH3 style. So many brilliant racing liveries but no way to built fantasy grids with them. Various garages to show off 10 or so cars at once would be nice too, better homescreen than just your current car on its lonesome.
Ffs Doug do some bloody research for once instead of just “oh look how odd this wheel nut colour is”… this is quite a big deal: “The GTP was successful in IMSA racing for six years, however its excellent power to weight ratio, responsible for its success, effectively made the car unbeatable: the car was eventually saddled by IMSA with a 300-pound weight penalty before being banned entirely in 1991.” This car was incredibly successful in what it was designed to do.
@@peppapigthekiller7539 The racing success is a very major point, not a small not important fact as you make out. He just simplified his content for the masses every time and does things his way and talking about weird quirks.
Warren Mosler not only designed an awesome, unique car. But he’s also one of the most knowledgeable people about the monetary system-how the function of taxation and bonds couldn’t be to finance government spending. He’s amazing.
"Consulier" sounds like a brand of cigarettes. The door handles look like they've come from a safe. Two ash trays but one NACA duct! So the driver putting the seat belt on is literally strapping the gas tank to them.
Doug should know about the second tach needle. It’s old school racecar tech. It marks the position of max revs on a run. It doesn’t show the engine’s mechanical rev limit. You can set its position manually. The rev needle will push this second needle around showing how far up you’ve had the revs.
Nope. It's a genetic tack, that doesn't have a rev limit. Notice there is no red line? You use the knob to set the rev limit. This one is not the type you're talking about. You should know that. LOL
I don’t think a lack of “presence” was this cars problem Doug. That thing is ugly as hell, has square tubing in the engine bay and a scrotum for a glove box.
Yeah, no good glove box is ridiculous but the interior looks way better than I thought it would. I mean, look at the dash with all the gauges and controls. Awesome. The body styling more for wind cheating, like a real race car, and not meant to be beautiful. In that way, it is way cool. Look at Le Mans race cars. None built for beauty. I could dig owning a real racer designed car like this one.
There used to be a dealership for these cars in Tequesta, Florida when I was about 14. I worked right across the way from the place and would look at them regularly. I thought they were so cool!
I saw this on my highway 2 months ago. It was the elderly man and to who I assume was his wife, driving in it. He was doing the speed limit of 70mph to a T. I pulled up next to it in a V10-R8, I slowed down to give him a thumbs up, to which he reciprocated, and then I continued on my way.
Doug DeMuro ,this car lacks the "accordion" style 5 mph bumpers because it is a low production vehicle - not because it is so "stiff". Body stiffness is a reason *why* regulators instituted the change to 5 mph bumpers. People were getting unnecessary injuries in low speed impacts, body and frame stiffness was also leading to excess damage in those situations. And the regulated height of bumper requirement would have put it across above the headlight area on this car ( same regulation as today ). Maybe reading the first google result is not the best idea ( though it comprises the extent of most young peoples "research" these days ). Read the actual regulation, it is still available. As for the reason these cars were virtually unknown in the 1980's... it was not the "quirkiness" or Mosler being a tiny manufacturer alone. It was because the car did not get any major coverage in the automotive press. Without actual print articles about the Consulier, there was not many other ways to even know it existed. Fun to see a car nearly forgotten today, thanks Doug.
ALL injuries from being hit by a car are "unnecessary injuries." Where do you draw the line? Air bags in the bumpers? Pedestrians have to wear jet packs that shoot them up 10 feet if it detects a car is going to hit the person?
Doug’s vids are more of for entertainment imo, better to switch your brain off before watching his vids. His facts arnt always the best since he has a tight schedule to meet so I don’t really consider them to be well researched vids.
@@poxcr I can't remember what it was but I think he was raving about some option the new f350 had a few years ago in a video and how it was a first well sorry Doug my 2008 f350 had the option I can't remember what it was but vehicles long before my f350 had it aswell definitely not the best with research lol
Doug mentioned where the engine for the moesler was sourced from, is there anyone out there who owns an original and unmolested Omni GLHS Turbo?. Would be great to see Doug review one!!
I'm surprised I had to scroll this far down to find a comment about this. I'm assuming they did it for space reasons. I wonder if it was utilized in any other cars
The shortened history of Consulier/Mosler: 1985: Launch of the Consulier GTP 1993: Consulier is renamed to Mosler 1993: The GTP became the Intruder 1997: The Intruder is now the Raptor 2001: End of the Raptor. Its successor is the MT900 2011: End of the MT900 2013: The end of Mosler
"The Mosler Consulier GTP Is a Weird Failed Supercar" Nope, it wasn't a supercar, and it didn't fail. It was designed to be a track monster like today's Ariel Atom. And it didn't fail - it did so well that it was banned from numerous racing series. It was, however, extremely weird. So yeah Doug, you were 1/3 right.
And then Warren Mosler designed the even odder looking Intruder to run in a higher IMSA class...which was then banned after it won over Porsche Turbo 911's and twin turbo Calloway Corvettes.
Old turbo I4s sound so good. I remember being in 'awe' hearing a turbo-coupe thunderbird with headers and a downpipe. Not too much whistle, but really similar to how this sounds.
Gotta say I love the look of it, it's like a lemans car mixed with a saab 900 with semi truck wheels. I have a sneaking suspicion that those brake lines would get destroyed if you tried to take out the spare tire
Thanks for the tour of the Consulier GTP. I owned a '85 GLH turbo and loved the car. I had heard that Mosler put the 2.2 Chrysler turbo in a sports car but never had seen one before.
Doug needs to review the other cars from the K-Car ABC. The AZ-1 has a review. Now its time for the Honda Beat and the Suzuki Cappuccino to have a review as well!
I had the opportunity to see this car and talked to the owner at one of the meet. Pretty chill dude and willing to respond to all the questions we had about the car
I met MR Mosler in the early 90 he was judging an SAE student design compétition at The university of central florida. He had brought a car and showed it off to engineering students in the parking lot. Having done composite design in the 90, the mold making was very plywood driven so flat shapes was the norm…. Looking at the car today with the VDO gauges and the borrowed parts, it fits with low vollume production of the Time. The fact that the car worked well is something to be proud of. I guess that when they called Cragar wheels they answered we have these nice chrome jobs in stock we will cut you a super deal, the buyer got his cost saving objective in 1991.
Tachometers with two needles is something you'll see with aftermarket tach's so you can set your own redline and by the looks of it those are probably aftermarket gauges which might explain it.
Disappointed you never mentioned why it failed Car and driver and consulier/mosler had a very toxic relationship, after car and driver cheated the "25,000$" challenge and consulier called them out on it, car and driver refused to address the fact the car they tested was using old tires and brakes, severely handicapping it Instead they proceeded to insult the car because of that
Yea O don't think you know how proportions work mate. It looks like the bottom half of a car and a top half of a different car. The wheel offset is an issue as well but very minor compared to the shit that's going on with the back of the car
I appreciate how consistent Doug is with his scores. It seems highly likely that this car would fall ahead of a Late 80s Fiero, and below a mid 80s Countach.
Remember literally EVERY car magazine had an ad for these back in the day. They must have spent a fortune on advertising. Personally I love it and would buy one in an instant if I saw it for sale.
I know about this car because back in the late 80's I was contacted by the publisher of Grassroots Motorsports magazine. At the time he was trying to get together a national auto-x racing series to compete against the SCCA Solo II program and the National Pro AutoX Tour that the SCCA was running. The sponsor he had for the series was none other than Mosler and his Consulier car! I got to drive the thing and it was brought to one of our local races. It was fun having such an "exotic" at one of our events. As you stated the car was nothing to speak of looks wise but because of the light weight and the 200hp turbo engine it moved pretty well and handled nicely compared to other vehicles at the time. Thanks for the review, brought back some good memories. :-)
Everyone is trashing this but I kind of really like its styling. It's got some really cool styling features and I think they come together a lot nicer than people are admitting. 4 out of 10 is BS. Most people would think it looks cool, I think Doug is being car hipster on this one. Usually he's fair but this thing is not "ugly." A little more awkward than cars in its class. Still cool looking.
Doug: "You've probably never hear of it..." Me: "Who do you think your audience is, Doug?" Also me: "What the hell is that thing? Never heard of it or seen it before..."
I worked for a company of which Warren Mosler was a partner. If you Google his name, you will should quickly see what his background is and get an idea of his world outside of automobiles......All I have to say is that he was always approachable, never looked down his nose at you (lifestyle or status-wise) , liked to talk about cars, and was always a delight to be around.....Head and shoulders above many of his peers at the company in that regard.....
The reason why the pedals still have the VW logo on them is because they would had to pay thousands of dollars to the NHTSA and probably Volkswagen to change them.
I love how Doug is wearing a cars and bids shirt the whole time, so he can promote his website all throughout the video, because doing it at the beginning isn’t enough
I dunno about 4 cylinder turbos being considered "rare" at this time when Chrysler was putting them in virtually their entire lineup. Not many others were using them, but Chrysler was making a TON of them.
there are more home-built turbocharged fours on the road than ever before- those guys don't have to build them and warrant their operation for years- like the motor makers do. and their blowing them A LOT harder.
Some of the most desirable (and extraordinarily rare) Pontiacs of that day were also 4cyl turbos. The Grand Am GT and Sunbird GT both had a 2.0L 165hp turbo 4 under the hood. I think they even put it in the Buick Skylark T-Type around that time as well. It's the engine they should have dropped into the Fiero as far as I'm concerned.
Holy crap I totally forgot when I was a little kid I sat inside one of these at a car show. I didn't even remember it until Doug started the interior segment and then I recognized the dashboard. Really cool! The one I sat in was blue.
It looks almost like a kit car you’d order and throw on a pre built/existing chassis,wonder if it had a different name or options if it would’ve sold better …or be remembered
you nailed it.....like something you'd bolt to a vw bug chassis. In fact, Mustie did some videos on one that very closely resembles this super car.....cough cough....
4 for styling is generous I would say. It actually looks a lot like cars I sketched as a child, complete with too-small wheels as a result of using whichever coins I had lying around to draw circles.
It’s like a copy of the original NSX but with the design details explained through a phone call
Man everybody is killing me with these scenarios they're all hilarious
Wouldn’t this have been made before the nsx?
Except this car was designed before the NSX
True haha
@@wills2140 still how it happened tho
I have to say this is one of the most proportionally unsettling cars I've ever seen
Agreed
Looks like a GTA "F40"
Agreed. It’s just looks so wrong!
Looks like a child's doodle of what a supercar should be
Mosler Raptor has entered the chat
Fun fact: these cars were considered for the Fast Masters racing series but ultimately lost out to the Jaguar XJ220.
My dad was a founder of the series. He got me out of school. We flew up to Chicago and drove a Consulier GTP to Indy. All black. It was a blast.
I remember him dropping me off at school the next day in the car. All the kids asked me if it was the Batmobile.
That's amazing. Must me a great memory ♥️
It should have been great to see all these XJ220 bumping into each other during the race
dang, maybe in the future the value will skyrocket
Did you or your dad say: “I’M BATMAN?”
This car may look incredibly weird, but it was an IMSA racing success. It had an excellent power-to-weight ratio, and it was effectively unbeatable. It was so good, in fact, that it was given a 300-pound weight penalty before being banned in 1991. And the odd shape isn't the result of a severely intoxicated designer, it's actually functional; in the absence of a traditional framework chassis, the body actually acts as a load-bearing surface, which means that the shape is actually necessary for its structural integrity. If you want more information on it and don't want to look it up on Wikipedia, I recommend watching Donut Media's video on it.
I don’t get the hate. It looks like it would be on a vapor wave album cover
@@cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245 Yeah. It doesn't really look bad, just odd. Personally, the design has grown on me quite a bit.
It’s about as tough as a Saab
@@SirBroccolingtonIII styled to shock the track, not shock the laydaayz
It was an awesome car. Too bad the brand failed.
It's a shame Doug doesn't talk about the car's racing success. It ran circles around everything out there. This car was way ahead of its time.
Its doug ..are ya really surprised ever ?
@@yungboicontigo9278 I think that you have successfully made one of the moist whiny posts I've ever seen. He made a joke, and you whined about it like a little tool.
Agreed. This vehicle was the most efficient mid engine v8 ever created (even more than a Koenigsegg) it goes 398kmh top speed and it was made in the US. I love this rare supercar dearly.
@@yungboicontigo9278 go whack off some steam
@@justinjohnson1766 he called it a 4 cylinder?
It looks like the car that Homer designed.
If only the horns played La Cucaracha
Lol! You beat me to this comment 😂
And everyone who sees it laughs like Nelson....HAHA!!
The Homer! 😂
Best comments ever
I can’t imagine the hours of painstaking work it took the designers to fuck up every single line.
Underrated comment
Haaa!
I can imagine them going:
-Did you see any beautiful designs?
-Yeah.
-I don't want to.
Looks like a group of teenage boys put a fake Ferrari body kit on a 1993 Buick LeSabre.
@@davidp8627 double haaaaa!!! Ummmm... wait a minute the Buick LeSabre was a fine automobile by itself
Warren Mosler was the founder of this company. He was my neighbor and landlord, great guy. These were built in Riveria Beach FL right behind my office
Wow..cool!
He's a cool guy
I thought his name was Warren. I lived in St Petersburg and knew of him lol
Ok that's cool!
@@therealhatchet Yes, but I went to St. Pete High
My brother worked for Warren building these (and the Raptor and the MT900) in Florida. He would bring prototypes home and I got to ride in them a few times. It was always ugly but it was always amazing. They could beat almost any car on the track and they were very durable. Very cool story - glad you covered this - I sent the link to my Brother to check it out.
I was their IT guy for 8 years. They had every single model they ever made in their showroom. I actually drove one around their huge parking lot in Riviera Beach once. It was pretty cool but goddamn it was ugly. It was also a hodge podge of corvette lights, volvo steering all kinds of funky stuff. There was one in the showroom that looked like a M117 fighter jet with a split front windshield (Raptor).
Fun fact he changed the parking lot into a go cart race track toward the end and had a go-cart that must have done 100mph.
@@skullnofunctionThe looks of this one, I don't think are that bad and could easily be saved with some body kit parts. Add some tinted headlight covers, a front & rear diffuser , carbon fiber wheels/ maybe wider cf wheels with fender flares. Get rid of the ugly side mirrors. Upgrade brakes, suspension & do a 375+hp turbo Honda K20 swap and it'd be awesome.
The mt900 was a sick looking car. And successful in Europe
Hats off to the man or woman who looked at this, the testarossa and the countach back in the day and said "i will have the Consulier".
So like 60 people...
We know not a single woman bought one of these
...including Ace & Gary, the Ambiguously Gay Duo
The Countach? Possibly one of the ugliest cars ever built. I get it, car guys need to say "iT's bEaUtiFuL," because they feel like they need to say it.
@@littlejackalo5326 when I was 16 I wanted a Countach and had posters of it on my wall. I never thought it was beautiful but it sure was badass and fast for its day, at a time when few cars were (granted, my 987 S could run rings around one today but that's beside the point. We didn't have 987 S's in 1984). I would have embarrassed to even be seen with the Car and Driver issue with the Consulier on the cover. None of that had anything to do with supposed to's.
This car looks like how a young child would draw a Ferrari F40… like, generally the same, but much boxier and bulkier in very weird spots.
the hard part is finding a young child who knows what a n f40 is.....
And more specifically, a child living in Chernobyl.
@Martin the speedo says 120mph max so is probably even less. Utterly hopeless.
@Martin Maybe or perhaps
@@kennybeans6115 Poor child
That car, my wild friend was a kit car from back in the 90's. I used to read Kitcar magazine drooling over Cobra kits, fiero-Ferrai rebodies etc. This car was a monster back in the day.
We all live for these kinda cars to be reviewed by Doug.
be sure to check out cars and bids!
Yep.
I love to watch the reviews of these weird cars.
It's these quirky kind of cars that Doug reviews which keep my subscribed to this channel.
@@yungboicontigo9278 You're on a -winning- losing steak. Another whiny post.
I love how they labeled all the gauges even the clock but none of the switches
That's one of the best instrument panels in history..... everything in a racecar should be dependable clearly readable gages and thanks for monitoring everything important
That's smart way to go Mosler
It's like... the super car version of the car Homer Simpson designed
Same shape as Doug's Race car bed
first thing I thought
Brhu that had me gigling like a mad man! 😂
Ha! I just commented almost the exact thing! Great minds….
Doh!
Speaking of weird cars, I really hope Doug does a DeTomasso Pantera one day!
Italian exotics in general like DeTomaso and ItalDesign in example.
Or a cizeta!!
Hé die that already I think
Did*
"There are several reasons someone wouldn't buy this..." "It's ugly?" "One, it's ugly." "Nailed it!"
id buy it, i think its cool
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
I love the styling of it
Everything was ugly in the 80's, so that doesn't really fly...
@@jlr194 In that case the lema is canceled by reality.
Engineers: “What kind of lines and design would you like to make for this car?”
Mosley: “Something in between a dust pan, ac vent, London black cab and a Model T!”
Engineers: “…”
That about sums it up. Good joke there.
Looks like 'The Homer' made by Powell Motors
This car was designed to cheat the air, not satisfy peoples need for a pretty car. Pure race form to go fast, not look beautiful. Like I said before, put wider rims and more rubber and this thing would be awesome. Where's mine? I want one.
Mosley (on coke):
Engineers (also probably on coke): "Great idea! Let´s do that"
@@tomyost6330 But did it sell?... You can have engineering down pact but if your target audience sees this as 'a knockoff wannabe' then it was all for nothing.
Create a sexy, cool car to sell first then worry about being the mechanics
You know the owners taste in cars when you see a DONUT media sticker.
Saw it too lol
Donut did a video on this car last year ish. I saw this on Bring a Trailer a decade or so ago. The new owner has fixed a bunch of stuff from that original listing.
Donut did this video on it:
th-cam.com/video/uI6NmRjMsPk/w-d-xo.html
That's the best part
A G N E Z dude
I saw Shane Lewis win his class in one of these at Limerock Park in CT, probably was 1990. Dad and I went down to their paddock spot and met Shane after the race. We would visit him in the paddock every year for many years after, as he drove various Moslers and Corvettes. He called us his CT fans. All the Consulier race cars had valid FL license plates.
They should add this to Forza Horizon 5. They already have Mosler as a manufacturer.
since they have the ultima gtr
nvm it hasnt been on it since forza 3
@@charlesallred6879 Mosler returned in Horizon 3 or 4.
Eh sure it’s a cool one to have, but more important than a single car is this, they should be adding the option to race against your own garage cars, then you could pit the cars you wanted against each other, direct from your garage builds, and ai convoy with them FH3 style.
So many brilliant racing liveries but no way to built fantasy grids with them.
Various garages to show off 10 or so cars at once would be nice too, better homescreen than just your current car on its lonesome.
damn I KNEW i recognized the mosler name but couldnt figure out why, thank you
It's like how a fast car is drawn in a cartoon brought to life.
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The roof line and the windscreen, basically the whole greenhouse looks like a modified Saab 99.
I’m wondering if it’s a Saab windscreen
They made the car I drew in kindergarten into a real thing!
Hahaha nice
haha i'm dead...
🤘🤘
How much was the check for your design?
Woo 😑
Ffs Doug do some bloody research for once instead of just “oh look how odd this wheel nut colour is”… this is quite a big deal: “The GTP was successful in IMSA racing for six years, however its excellent power to weight ratio, responsible for its success, effectively made the car unbeatable: the car was eventually saddled by IMSA with a 300-pound weight penalty before being banned entirely in 1991.” This car was incredibly successful in what it was designed to do.
Good points!
(:
He has only a few hours to go over some of these cars. He doesn’t have every little fact about this car in his hand.
@@peppapigthekiller7539 The racing success is a very major point, not a small not important fact as you make out. He just simplified his content for the masses every time and does things his way and talking about weird quirks.
@@squeakers27 exactly
@@peppapigthekiller7539 DOUG !!! IS THIS YOU. ???👩🦱
Warren Mosler not only designed an awesome, unique car. But he’s also one of the most knowledgeable people about the monetary system-how the function of taxation and bonds couldn’t be to finance government spending. He’s amazing.
"Consulier" sounds like a brand of cigarettes. The door handles look like they've come from a safe. Two ash trays but one NACA duct! So the driver putting the seat belt on is literally strapping the gas tank to them.
Like the cheapest brand, too. at the off brand gas station thats 8¢ more expensive than everyone else
That’s crazy talk!… it’s the passenger that straps on the gas tank.
@@starlightwolves1525 quite right.
I wasn’t laughing at this car until your comment put everything into perspective 😂
Florida: The Car
Though I must say I’m impressed with the amount of accessories they fit into a 1980s 1000-kg sports car.
It's more a Miami or Southwestern Florida kinda thing, lol
XD
I was a supplier for Mosler in Riviera Beach. His cars and later his engines were WAY ahead of their time.
Doug should know about the second tach needle. It’s old school racecar tech. It marks the position of max revs on a run. It doesn’t show the engine’s mechanical rev limit. You can set its position manually. The rev needle will push this second needle around showing how far up you’ve had the revs.
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Nope. It's a genetic tack, that doesn't have a rev limit. Notice there is no red line? You use the knob to set the rev limit. This one is not the type you're talking about. You should know that. LOL
came here to say both of these things in a way
yes- its known as a 'tell-tale'..... and its not old school- any newer (real) aftermarket tach has one or a similar electronic function.
Why you continue to correct him. This man is rich on his ignorance and our comments in order to correct him
I don’t think a lack of “presence” was this cars problem Doug. That thing is ugly as hell, has square tubing in the engine bay and a scrotum for a glove box.
True . And those dollhouse doors
And thats what makes it so cool today
This car was built for THANOS! When he was not using his helicopter.
Once its gets over 40 years old it’ll have a glove box for a scrotum
Yeah, no good glove box is ridiculous but the interior looks way better than I thought it would. I mean, look at the dash with all the gauges and controls. Awesome. The body styling more for wind cheating, like a real race car, and not meant to be beautiful. In that way, it is way cool. Look at Le Mans race cars. None built for beauty. I could dig owning a real racer designed car like this one.
The only issue I see is the font size of “consulier” decal being too small
There used to be a dealership for these cars in Tequesta, Florida when I was about 14. I worked right across the way from the place and would look at them regularly. I thought they were so cool!
Still waiting for you to come "home" and you can drive my Consulier anytime
The exhaust looks like part of a pipe flange that was laying around in the workshop. The F40 had a much cooler centre exit exhaust.
It actually looks like bare header...and sounds like an beefed up turbodiesel :)
That’s because the outer f40s exhaust pipe wasn’t your “typical” exhaust pipe
@@uscars9207 header flanges are usually a bit more beefy, that exhaust just looks cheap and flimsy.
@@MrThatnativeguy I'm not sure a piece of 1950's plumbing is a typical exhaust pipe either.
@@Rover200Power why focus on just the exhaust pipe? The entire car is a mess
I saw this on my highway 2 months ago. It was the elderly man and to who I assume was his wife, driving in it. He was doing the speed limit of 70mph to a T.
I pulled up next to it in a V10-R8, I slowed down to give him a thumbs up, to which he reciprocated, and then I continued on my way.
Looks at it from the side: "That's a pretty sleek-looking car."
Looks at it from the front: "That's a pretty boxy-looking car."
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This thing is ugly but it's good to drive, go figure.
this car doesn't have a good angle, imo
@@LRM12o8 Yeah, it either looks like a cheap 70's kit car or a toy from a Hot Wheels/Matchbox knock-off company, depending on your perspective.
Doug DeMuro ,this car lacks the "accordion" style 5 mph bumpers because it is a low production vehicle - not because it is so "stiff". Body stiffness is a reason *why* regulators instituted the change to 5 mph bumpers. People were getting unnecessary injuries in low speed impacts, body and frame stiffness was also leading to excess damage in those situations. And the regulated height of bumper requirement would have put it across above the headlight area on this car ( same regulation as today ). Maybe reading the first google result is not the best idea ( though it comprises the extent of most young peoples "research" these days ). Read the actual regulation, it is still available.
As for the reason these cars were virtually unknown in the 1980's... it was not the "quirkiness" or Mosler being a tiny manufacturer alone. It was because the car did not get any major coverage in the automotive press. Without actual print articles about the Consulier, there was not many other ways to even know it existed.
Fun to see a car nearly forgotten today, thanks Doug.
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ALL injuries from being hit by a car are "unnecessary injuries." Where do you draw the line? Air bags in the bumpers? Pedestrians have to wear jet packs that shoot them up 10 feet if it detects a car is going to hit the person?
He won't read anything. This guy spews lot of ignorant remarks throughout most of his videos.
Doug’s vids are more of for entertainment imo, better to switch your brain off before watching his vids. His facts arnt always the best since he has a tight schedule to meet so I don’t really consider them to be well researched vids.
@@poxcr I can't remember what it was but I think he was raving about some option the new f350 had a few years ago in a video and how it was a first well sorry Doug my 2008 f350 had the option I can't remember what it was but vehicles long before my f350 had it aswell definitely not the best with research lol
As far as the "success" of this model goes, it made sense when you opened the hood and revealed the Chrysler engine mounted backwards. Brilliant 👏
"This car was a failure"
"What kind of failure, Doug?"
"A quirky one..."
"OH MY GOD HE SAID IT!"
The side profile looks good to me tbh
@@yungboicontigo9278 It was also banned from racing for being too good so there is that
@@rte3y838 lmao
Timestamp pls🙏🏼
@@chewygami8781 Even if you think the side profile look good, you still need to accept this car is a failure.
This looks like Homer Simpson’s attempt at drawing an F40
Looks exactly like a 70's kit car. I remember these being reviewed in Road & Track and Car and Driver.
Wow, a car I actually never heard of. ThiSSSSS is interesting. 🧐
Yep. There are a lot of claims on this channel about cars noone ever heard of but this one is legit.
Doug mentioned where the engine for the moesler was sourced from, is there anyone out there who owns an original and unmolested Omni GLHS Turbo?. Would be great to see Doug review one!!
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Sounded, and spat smoke, like a diesel.
I own an 86 Daytona, currently being "restored" though
Having test driven a couple GHLS Shelby Dodges, the boost is cool, but in a lighter chassis, wickedly Fun
@Martin Even worse! I have an black 87 in my back yard AND a red 86 stripped to the chassie with all its parts on shelves :').
I can't think how it failed. I would have thought the Scrapheap Challenge styling would have been a winner for sure.
He always seems to miss some of the most interesting things. For instance this is the only car I've ever seen that has a sideways master cylinder.
I'm surprised I had to scroll this far down to find a comment about this. I'm assuming they did it for space reasons. I wonder if it was utilized in any other cars
I saw that too. Also….is it just illusion or does that spare tire seem hard to get access to??
The shortened history of Consulier/Mosler:
1985: Launch of the Consulier GTP
1993: Consulier is renamed to Mosler
1993: The GTP became the Intruder
1997: The Intruder is now the Raptor
2001: End of the Raptor. Its successor is the MT900
2011: End of the MT900
2013: The end of Mosler
Man I love the Raptor's front end look. You'll know exactly why....
In reality it began and ended in 1985.
@@TehMehKehIen why?
@@TehMehKehIen the windshieldS 😳
"The Mosler Consulier GTP Is a Weird Failed Supercar"
Nope, it wasn't a supercar, and it didn't fail. It was designed to be a track monster like today's Ariel Atom. And it didn't fail - it did so well that it was banned from numerous racing series.
It was, however, extremely weird. So yeah Doug, you were 1/3 right.
And then Warren Mosler designed the even odder looking Intruder to run in a higher IMSA class...which was then banned after it won over Porsche Turbo 911's and twin turbo Calloway Corvettes.
Old turbo I4s sound so good. I remember being in 'awe' hearing a turbo-coupe thunderbird with headers and a downpipe. Not too much whistle, but really similar to how this sounds.
Gotta say I love the look of it, it's like a lemans car mixed with a saab 900 with semi truck wheels. I have a sneaking suspicion that those brake lines would get destroyed if you tried to take out the spare tire
Not gonna lie Doug, I thought the title said "The Molester Connoisseur."
May as well be awful car
@@paulie-Gualtieri. Not at all.
Doug is the guy your girlfriend tells you not to worry about
And you actually don’t have to worry about it
But you do - he's a multimillionaire.
Hahahahhahayahya lmao niggha you win
@@cameronmcpherson6364 if u gotta use money to get laid ur paying for it. so weird flex. not saying doug would he rather buy tires like a smart man
@@carpal08 You're right. Women don't like dudes with money. Mostly poor guys.
Dog is the guy my girlfriend would have to worry about. Yes, I would totally go gay for Doug
Thanks for the tour of the Consulier GTP. I owned a '85 GLH turbo and loved the car. I had heard that Mosler put the 2.2 Chrysler turbo in a sports car but never had seen one before.
Doug needs to review the other cars from the K-Car ABC. The AZ-1 has a review. Now its time for the Honda Beat and the Suzuki Cappuccino to have a review as well!
Okay weeb
@@A_Wild_Yeengirl HELL YEA BRUHTHER I HATE THEM DAMN IMPORTS V8 POWER 2 MILES PER FREEDOM GOBBLESS
And the Daihatsu Copen
@@gangstagarf Idk I guess I just want to see cars that have values beyond being smol uwu beans
@@A_Wild_Yeengirl lol i actually really dont like anime but i just think seeing at least one more would be cool.
Nobody: I want to turn this street sweeper into a supercar.
Consulier: Say no more
I had the opportunity to see this car and talked to the owner at one of the meet. Pretty chill dude and willing to respond to all the questions we had about the car
You're the reason he sent it to Doug. Thanks 😊
you know it’s gonna be a weird car when doug doesn’t hold his arms out in the thumbnail
That made me check all his thumbnails and the fact that you're right is hilarious lmao
Not what I expected to see appear in a vid, great to see it close up!
I met MR Mosler in the early 90 he was judging an SAE student design compétition at The university of central florida. He had brought a car and showed it off to engineering students in the parking lot. Having done composite design in the 90, the mold making was very plywood driven so flat shapes was the norm…. Looking at the car today with the VDO gauges and the borrowed parts, it fits with low vollume production of the Time. The fact that the car worked well is something to be proud of. I guess that when they called Cragar wheels they answered we have these nice chrome jobs in stock we will cut you a super deal, the buyer got his cost saving objective in 1991.
Looks like someone built it in his shed, with parts found in a junkyard.
With Stevie wonder as head stylist and built by ex Yugo engineer's
Build in a cave!
With a box of scraps!
and from the DeLorean era (the early 80´s)
A 4 for styling is a very generous score.
I would five it a bit fat 0.
Tachometers with two needles is something you'll see with aftermarket tach's so you can set your own redline and by the looks of it those are probably aftermarket gauges which might explain it.
"It sounds pretty good."
[sounds of elderly schnauser growling at nothing]
Quirky car: **exists**
Doug: I’ll take your entire stock
Disappointed you never mentioned why it failed
Car and driver and consulier/mosler had a very toxic relationship, after car and driver cheated the "25,000$" challenge and consulier called them out on it, car and driver refused to address the fact the car they tested was using old tires and brakes, severely handicapping it
Instead they proceeded to insult the car because of that
yeah, I wanted him to tell about this challenge
i remember this
Pretty much all aftermarket tachs until the 90s used to have a second, adjustable needle to mark the rev limit.
How does this have so few views?? 550k in two months? Doug deserves more. This is quite the car too.
It literally just needs properly offset wheels and it’ll look great
Yea O don't think you know how proportions work mate. It looks like the bottom half of a car and a top half of a different car. The wheel offset is an issue as well but very minor compared to the shit that's going on with the back of the car
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"Great"... That's a stretch.
I actually had heard of it before. Always thought it was super ugly, but that doesn´t make it any less interesting. Thanks for reviewing this oddball!
I'm probably the only one, but I'd be interested hearing from Doug how he arranges insurance coverage for his test drives.
I think he already touched this subject in a "More Doug" video...
@@PhiZelak yup he did
He's already explained about that.
He arranges insurance by contacting his insurance company.
I hope that helps.
I appreciate how consistent Doug is with his scores. It seems highly likely that this car would fall ahead of a Late 80s Fiero, and below a mid 80s Countach.
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More people bought this car then watch the Doug score section.
@@yungboicontigo9278 I don't particularly hate dogs
@@yungboicontigo9278 I agree, when owners says it doesn't bite it's a scam but cats are chill.
This looks like a childs drawing of a sports car.
Substandard Supercar GTA Online style.
It looks like an untalented child's drawing of a sports car. The top part looks like it's cut from a tiny hatchback and slapped on the rest of it
Every frame of this guy's enthusiasm is a thumbnail for 2021 youtube...
love it
not even a word about it's racing success and a Mosler's contest of "no one can beat it on track"
Nice catch. Love to see Doug get his hands on a MT900S Photon as well.
Remember literally EVERY car magazine had an ad for these back in the day. They must have spent a fortune on advertising. Personally I love it and would buy one in an instant if I saw it for sale.
I love videos like these, when I actually get educated about something I didn't even know about.
This car wasnt a failure based upon the merits of being bad. It was actually terrific, just hampered by external factors.
External factors like how it looked?
you mean like putting mega-power in a FWD car??
I know about this car because back in the late 80's I was contacted by the publisher of Grassroots Motorsports magazine. At the time he was trying to get together a national auto-x racing series to compete against the SCCA Solo II program and the National Pro AutoX Tour that the SCCA was running. The sponsor he had for the series was none other than Mosler and his Consulier car! I got to drive the thing and it was brought to one of our local races. It was fun having such an "exotic" at one of our events. As you stated the car was nothing to speak of looks wise but because of the light weight and the 200hp turbo engine it moved pretty well and handled nicely compared to other vehicles at the time. Thanks for the review, brought back some good memories. :-)
The wheel design & their track/offset alone could have killed it
I don't see anything wrong with the wheels at all, aside from the faked multi-piece look, which is B.S. I don't like "faux" in general.
That's not what the 2nd needle is for on the tach.... The 2nd needle shows the highest RPM reached. That's why the center of the tach is a knob....
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Little gems like this are why i subscribbed! I cant help but love, you can clearly see the philosophy was "form follows function" 😂
The rad whip, also can I say that the Maserati biturbo convertible during the cars and bids ad was absolutely gorgeous
Agreed! Maserati seem to be quite under rated and made some of the most beautiful cars of the 80’s and 90’s, and are still quite beautiful.
@@Psykel fr! Tho I do personally feel the convertible looks better than the coupe. The lines are a little funky on the coupe imo but that’s jsut me
Mwrsatis are junk
@@zacksmith5963 not as junk as your attempts to type tho
@@zacksmith5963 We’re talking about Maserati though, not Mwrsati.
It's not good looking but it sure does stands out.
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That's like saying Hitler wasn't so bad....just a little missguided...
@@alexlang5649 nah he was good
Doug was SO generous with the words used to describe this car. Truly appalling to look at. Fun and rare though!
this thing WRECKED IMSA like the GTR did to australian supercars.
Doug is the type of guy who buys a lawnmower when he has AstroTurf.
Hey Tone, did ya hear me? I said Doug is the type of guy who buys a lawnmower when he has AstroTurf! Heh heh
He will also give you the quirks and features of said mower.
@@eliseujr.2319 😂😂
@@samuelthompson2605
He also buys a plug spanner when his lawn mower is electric
Everyone is trashing this but I kind of really like its styling. It's got some really cool styling features and I think they come together a lot nicer than people are admitting. 4 out of 10 is BS. Most people would think it looks cool, I think Doug is being car hipster on this one. Usually he's fair but this thing is not "ugly." A little more awkward than cars in its class. Still cool looking.
Totally agree with you. This car is way cool in my book.
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I remember this thing! Good to see a review
Doug: "You've probably never hear of it..."
Me: "Who do you think your audience is, Doug?"
Also me: "What the hell is that thing? Never heard of it or seen it before..."
Ever play Forza? I’m pretty sure it was in a couple of those
@@roddydykes7053 Yes. Everyone of them. There is Mosler, but this car has never been in one.
Putting the fuel tank directly behind the passenger seat
Ahh, the 1980s. Never change.
I worked for a company of which Warren Mosler was a partner. If you Google his name, you will should quickly see what his background is and get an idea of his world outside of automobiles......All I have to say is that he was always approachable, never looked down his nose at you (lifestyle or status-wise) , liked to talk about cars, and was always a delight to be around.....Head and shoulders above many of his peers at the company in that regard.....
I worked for Warren as well. Agree with all you’ve said. Really interesting guy. You’ll never meet another person like him. He’s one of a kind.
The reason why the pedals still have the VW logo on them is because they would had to pay thousands of dollars to the NHTSA and probably Volkswagen to change them.
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I love how Doug is wearing a cars and bids shirt the whole time, so he can promote his website all throughout the video, because doing it at the beginning isn’t enough
Its one of his many quirks and features
I dunno about 4 cylinder turbos being considered "rare" at this time when Chrysler was putting them in virtually their entire lineup. Not many others were using them, but Chrysler was making a TON of them.
there are more home-built turbocharged fours on the road than ever before- those guys don't have to build them and warrant their operation for years- like the motor makers do. and their blowing them A LOT harder.
Some of the most desirable (and extraordinarily rare) Pontiacs of that day were also 4cyl turbos. The Grand Am GT and Sunbird GT both had a 2.0L 165hp turbo 4 under the hood. I think they even put it in the Buick Skylark T-Type around that time as well. It's the engine they should have dropped into the Fiero as far as I'm concerned.
only a few had the turbo iii with the Lotus dohc
Doug is the type of guy to say “knock knock” instead of actually knocking.
Holy crap I totally forgot when I was a little kid I sat inside one of these at a car show. I didn't even remember it until Doug started the interior segment and then I recognized the dashboard. Really cool! The one I sat in was blue.
It looks almost like a kit car you’d order and throw on a pre built/existing chassis,wonder if it had a different name or options if it would’ve sold better …or be remembered
you nailed it.....like something you'd bolt to a vw bug chassis. In fact, Mustie did some videos on one that very closely resembles this super car.....cough cough....
@@muskokamike127 the clutch and brake pedal are from a 1980s beetle
It's so ugly it's actually kinda cool.
Lol no
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#ライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#かならりやばかったですね！１#万人を超える人が見ていたもんね（笑）#やっぱり人参最高！#まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした！#今後は気を付けないとね5). .
!💖🖤❤#今後は気をライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！#この日のライブ配信は、#１万人を超える人が見ていたも ん（#笑）#やっぱり人参最高！#まさかのカメラ切り忘れでやら1かしたのもドキドキでした #今後は気をライブ配信の再編ありがとうです！（ #笑）#垃圾
Ah, this is the 4 banger turbo one, they had one with a vette engine in it, back in the 90's. It was called the "Hammerhead" it was bad to the bone!
4 for styling is generous I would say. It actually looks a lot like cars I sketched as a child, complete with too-small wheels as a result of using whichever coins I had lying around to draw circles.