COIN Aircraft (Super Tucano, Pucara & Bronco) vs WWII Warbirds: Dogfight | DCS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2024
- A much requested battle from the viewers: how well will modern COIN aircraft like the IA-58 Pucara, A-29B Super Tucano and OV-10 Bronco stack up against World War 2 warbirds in guns dogfights?
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0:00 Overview
3:29 Predictions
5:19 Testing A-29B Super Tuncano
10:29 Testing OV-10A Bronco
15:01 Testing IA-58 Pucara
20:00 Group Fight 1
23:46 Group Fight 2
30:15 Group Fight 3
38:15 Group Fight 4
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Wow. That's actually a "my controller broke" that was completely believable. The snap of heavy plastic was quite audible.
RIP Cap's Win-Wing. It was a real workhorse.
I felt that one in my soul. I'm so sorry for Cap!
A little duct tape and it'll be good as new.👍
Not only does overstress A/C but he overstressed his A/C simulator.
Maybe shill for another manufacturer now.
@@calumlittle9828 boy.
Who pissed in your Cheerios?
DCS needs the A-37 Dragonfly
....and a Pilatus PC-9!! I'm a "sucker" for the new generation turboprop trainers/COIN aircraft!! Although A Beech T-34C would be nice, too.
And skyraider
and the PA-48 for a modernized turboprop COIN mustang
There was a Pucara that withstood a Harriers entire 30mm Aden load and still refused to die
Oooh! Interesting idea. DCS needs a Skyraider
Definitely! I would not stop flying it, blasting rockets and dumping napalm all day.
I flew OV-10's for seven years. As you concluded, the OV-10 has turn radius, but nothing else, as an advantage in the fight. The 4 M-60 7.62 mm MG's are mere pop guns and would not match up well against any WW II fighter's armament. Any WW II fighter pilot worth his salt would extend and return with energy and never attempt to turn with an OV-10. Your warbird pilots didn't appear to use that advantage as much as they should. I suppose they were just having fun mixing it up.
I also flew the T-28 B Trojan. In the late 70's the engine was rated at 1425 HP. With a lower weight resulting in good wing loading it would handle the Bronco also. (Albeit no internal guns since it was a trainer)
One admin note: You have the Broncos in USMC VMO-2 colors but are using what appears to be a USAF cockpit.
Thanks, enjoyed the show. It brought back good memories.
Thanks Brian
The Super Tucano engine sounds like a weed trimmer engine.
The OV-10 IS NOT a dog fighter. Much of that model is wrong! With the Garret -5s had 830hp per side, boost for 1 min to 1,100hp per side, requiring overhaul after doing so, you can use this in the vertical. If you got the Garret-11s it goes to 1,400. Mine had -11s. Real max speed is 310-imph with -11s 91%N1, boost is 105%N1just helps you climb if you lose an engine. You must keep your speed up fly it like you are Hoov in a Commander, do not try and out turn anything you will just lose all your speed and be stuck slow, you will have to let off to accelerate and then they got you. What you can do is jink and wait for a mistake. If you get slow you can't jink anymore. Stay low and use terrain and obstacles. The OV-10 has a very good roll rate those spoilers make it like a snap roll but with more control. It would take a very good pilot to stay on its tail if it was jinking. Stay low If they go high, you can pull vertical but immediately dive for speed like Hoov [good job Matrix] kind of a reverse boom and zoom. Try and drag them low and force an overshoot. Warbirds that are smart will just use superior speed and boom and zoom till you are dead, that would negate all of the OV-10s advantages. Our big worry was SAMs so we stayed at treetops. Fighters could not even find us. We only made one pass on our target. We never lost a single pilot.
Spergtacular.
A good bit of immersion, that flight stick snap was… my condolences to CAP, though it makes one wonder if that’s ever happened to some poor sap in historical combat
Such a pleasure to listen to Matrix's voice. Like an uncle who tells great stories or a kindly professor.
The Super tucano will probably change A LOT with the upcoming versions, it should be better then a p51 but not more then that. It currently is underperforming by a lot.
it will be built in portugal in beja. and yes things will change quite a lot
The Supertucano is a turbo prop. That speed was way too low.
A turbine can keep running in MCT all day long until your tank runs dry. (Max Continuous Thrust)
But you can also keep it at CL levels for quite a while as well unlike a piston pounder (CLimb thrust)
Only time you start to get into thrust problems is when you pass 100% N1, that is the overboost territory and can burn up a turbine in short order.
On a Pratt & Whitney PW4000 engine, this is achieved by putting the FADEC (Engine ECUs) in alternate mode and the engines will overspeed and give more thrust.
thx
ooo a great video idea! i look forward to watching this!
The sound of a db605 is just heavenly
Hey glad of you to feature the bronco! One of my favorite planes as there's a handful of them still operated by Philippine air force in active service here in Philippines
Shame about the damage models, but still a very enjoyable video.
DROP: (missing a wing) "It won't trim!"
😄😆😅😂🤣
Excellent!
Loved watching the Broncos take of from Sembach Air Base in West Germany during the early 80s… it could hold a couple of jumpers also
“It’s not trimming out!”, hahahahahahaha
a question I made myself a while ago, thankfully you answer it with this!
It was a great start despite the damage problem! Super stuff.
For those who have tried, being on a platform that is moving in three dimensions, and shooting at another thing that is moving in three dimensions, while all the time trying to not kill yourself just being on the platform, is hard. Modern aircraft use all kind of technology to stabilise your platform which makes hitting the other a lot easier. And let's not forget the the rounds you fire are also subject the those same three forces.
I really enjoyed the simulation you guys put on. I would have thought the warbirds would have won every dog fight.
Have you considered reenacting the Schweinfurt-Regensburg Raid on 14 October 1943 using original warbirds without the weather delay and a version with the original weather delay using B-52Hs or C-130s?
Great work. I am looking forward to seeing more from you.
Cap: love the stuff, but just for the sake of the facts NO Spitfire IX (or anything VIII onwards) has a B wing. They are all C wing or E. If you see some historical reference in squadron records to a Spitfire IXB that is not the wing that is getting referred to, it is the way they referred to different engine altitude optimisations before the LF and HF prefixes came into use
This. But with modern jet trainers and COIN aircraft.
Still wanting to see modern weapons on warbirds to make it more even .
Even Cold War weapons on warbirds. Damage per cost should work out well .
I was just thinking about how good a warbird could be when coupled with modern missiles, engines, and decent radar. Then you guys do this. Not the same, but close enough. Great job GR!
You've been watching Iron Eagle 3?
Somebody with good modding skills should do some turboprop refits on the Warbirds.
I was just watching a video on a plane and heard it had a COIN history. As it was a WW2 plane and you just did COIN planes, I thought I'd mention it to the Grim Reapers. It was the Douglas A-26 Invader. In the video they said first deployed in SW Asia theater of war, and the air unit that tested it said they didnt want it. That group of pilots, 'Grim Reapers.' One model had 14 forward mounted 50cals.
Tht OV-10 lookz like fun!! :)
Thanks! Continue to enjoy you and the guys & gals, I hope this is the place to offer a mission suggestion? I enjoyed the COIN aircraft vs WWII warbirds. May I suggest a scenario of the result of losses through attritition air warfare that has lost frontline fighters of all sides to combat AND unsustainble infrastructure, maintenance, parts, highly trained pilot losses that force all belligerents to enlist trainers in converted older generation trainer airframes with the available newer purposeful trainers against the adversaries? All rotor aircraft would be employed more for SOAR ops, not direct combat ops, just a thought...
Seeing the OV-10A makes me want to see the P-61D Black Widow on here someday. I don't even think I have seen a P-61 in any WW2 simulations yet. The COIN aircraft just feel like being in a flying target, tbh.
The 4x7.62 on the OV-10 are hitting like 30mm rounds for some reason....
Nice, My kind of viewing. (Hope you manage to fix your stick).
Disaster....... super cap broke his wing wing 😮 sounds like such a parent thing to say to get fair.
I really wish you would have included The MB-339 Aermacchi, SU-25 Frogfoot, and A-10 Thunderbolt II😅 Perhaps in the future...🙏👍
MB-339: th-cam.com/video/6MrX0YpLdpg/w-d-xo.html
@@grimreapers I kno ;) I've seen other similar scenarios as well however I'm just saying it'd be EPIC to see and you haven't done all of said mentioned aircraft in one Vid in this Request-- Super Tucano, OV-10 Bronco, Pucara, MB-339 Aermacchi, SU-25 Frogfoot, and A-10 Thunderbolt II VS Warbirds! Perhaps once the damage model's are fixed😅🙏
@Grim Reapers Please do German Me 262 v British Gloster Meteor, the only really possible WWII Jet match up.
Day 4 asking for you to do a dogfight between the A20-G and the german equivalent, and or the Beau-fighter and the german equivalent, I.E. DO17, the JU series of twin engine aircraft or the ME series. Whichever ones are more convenient… really sort of just want to see a dogfight between two twin engine aircraft that have dorsal gunners because of several reasons. It forces teamwork and cooperation between the dorsal gunner and the pilot, and it also reduces the amount of angles of attack that your plane can be attacked from which adds a bit more challenge and dynamic to a dogfight. Also twin engine aircraft seem to not have the best flight characteristics, thus once the dogfights get to low altitude, the ground very much becomes a major factor in the equation.
Day 5 of asking for you to do a scenario where you try and figure out just what it would have taken for Wake Island to have held out long enough for the pacific fleet to get there, or if Wake Island was just a sacrificial pawn.
Wait WHT!!! Oh No da Winwing Done!??? DANG YO!!
Pretty interesting, but I would of liked to see some one use the P-47D, if only for shits and giggles
John Wayne.... The original Chuck Norris!
I wonder if anyone has done a USMC OV-10D Bronco NOGS (Night Observation Gunship) version? Too bad about the damage model on the Tucano, I was hoping for an A-29 vs. P-51 battle.
If they have it, I'd love to see the A-1 Skyraider vs other American warbirds (mustang, jug, and others)
I believe an A-1 actually got a dogfight kill on a jet in Vietnam.
Can you make a video on the viper variations mod
Which COIN aircraft or trainer (thinking C-101, MB-339, L-39) is best against a WWII tank battalion?
the Bronco's guns sound like huge shotguns......
Now someone needs to model the PA48 enforcer so they can test it. P-51 airframe with a 2,440hp turboprop. That might actually do well against warbirds. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-48_Enforcer
"Go British" gets shot running away...
Skyraider MIA sad face.
THAT would be interesting, IF it was in-game.
@@fhlostonparaphrase Skyraider wants to be in game. Sad face.
Loved yet another of your videos. Just one elephant in the room question. A-10. No finer COIN/CAS on planet Earth. 'Nuff said.
Cap has the ability to sound off like an annoyed teacher or parent at times.
What about the difference in top speed of the warbirds versus the much slower COIN airplanes, won’t that be the deciding factor?
@Cap you have to let us know what broke and how to repair or replace.
Lateral tension spring snapped. New one ordered from China.
Request: Twin engine warbird battle, Mosquito Vs. P-38 Lightning
Do you use p-38 lightnings in your simulations, Cap?
No P-38 available in DCS
Super tac flying like a Cessna with a body kit against that 109
I would pay cold hard cash to kickstart a AU-24 module.
Not getting the Eagle in todays patch has upset me more than DCS usually does.
Idk man. Those AGM-114L’s are pretty sweet and well worth the update I think. As someone who has been recently getting into the Apache, getting a huge increase in capability like that is a nice surprise to wake up to.
You guys need to do a dam busters video wether it be with modern aircraft or with the Lancaster you need to do one due to the 80th anniversary that happened yesterday and Tuesday.
I played Spit versus B17 last night, not as easy as you think.
agree
I know that the P-38 Lightning is in your computers to be used but I was wondering why they're not used?
The P-38 isn't available in DCS.
I've never seen yous use corsairs.
No missiles? Poo! Next time double the WWII birds and give the COIN a/c missiles.
The Fw-190D and Me-109K have 13mm machine guns, not 30mm machine guns.
I like the Wolverine.
Cap:All you need to do to win is go British!
Cap I raise you the great British empire!…………..and the black out ground special
Should have included the Zero. It would have stayed on the tail of anything. Also a Hellcat and Corsair.
Why can’t I find these aircraft on DCS?
Pucara Bravos were armed with 30 mm autocanons. That ought to be mean.
Schönes Video!😊..Bevor ich euch mit schlechten Englisch nerve,schreib ich lieber auf Deutsch.Könntet ihr mal was über die Panavia Tornado machen ???
did no one take a P47?
So
Is anyone passing the hat to get Cap's stick repaired?
Spare part already on order.
Totally useless wish list: Ditch the Garrets on the Bronco, put 2 flat rated 1000hp PT6. Replace the 4x 7.62 MGs by 2x20mm cannons. That would be interesting.
can a v22 osprey dog fight an interwar, ww1, or ww2 fighter plane?
With what weapons?
@@PerfectTangent google "V-22 Osprey 360 Degree GAU-17 M134 Minigun"
@@klafsen That's for ground attack.
@@PerfectTangent three us marines holding an ak47 shooting out from the cargo bay
👍👏
Rip cap’s hotas
I LURRRVE the BRONCO! Yeee HAAA!
Your stick, Cap! No!
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Bizarre that nobody seems to notice or care. Also bizarre that 90% of the profiles with an actual photo are Indian.
I'd like to know what's going on as well.
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