The Truth About Handgun Calibers For Self Defense
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- You know, there's a ton of confusion out there about how different handgun calibers actually stop threats. For years, this topic was just filled with myths and a bunch of bad info, mainly because there wasn't much science involved.
Even today, some folks think a .380 is as harmless as a bee sting. And there's this weird idea that since a .45 ACP bullet weighs 230 grains, you need to shoot two 9mm bullets, each 115 grains, to stop the same threat.
In this video, we’ll talk about handgun calibers and bullets, and the truths surrounding their use in self defense situations that not a lot of people seem to know about.
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Shot placement is the key, no matter what caliber.
Key to what? Penetration?
Yes a miss with a 300weatherby mag is just a miss
@@jasongibson8114 Yeah a miss with a ICBM is a miss too. Not really the point.
I am german, Brittas boyfriend and for reason of our law, I don't own firearms, I only read german language arms magazines. A longer time ago in an article about german Stoßtrupps in wwl was noted, that arround 1930 in german Radio a Radio reporter had an interview with such a Stoßtrupp Leader. The radioman asked the veteran about combat pistol shooting, and the Former soldier answered: When yo Hit the enemy correct, He falls down. In those days ( wwl/ interwar Periode) the bullet variants Had been Not so much than today, also the knowledge of scientists, ingenieurs and also Shooting Trainers was lower than today.
@@brittakriep2938 Fabulous to hear from someone outside the USA. Thanks for sharing!
I really hope things change in Germany for the common person by way of firearms. Push for that goal. It's a monumental task but it's worth it. I've been picking up lately on the protests in Berlin by the farmers. While I know such things really brings a region to a gridlock (and possibly larger parts of the country), it's necessary to stop a tyrannical government. We have a lot to deal with here in the USA in this year and the next, since it is National election year.
You might be interested in a channel on here called _capandball_ as he is Hungarian and has some firearms rights, but very pleasant and high quality video.
Let’s not forget in that Miami shootout, the guys shooting 9mm fired over 40 rounds. Only 1 actually hit and fell short of the heart. The issue proved that tons of rounds, fast reloads and bullet power wasn’t really the issue. It was they couldn’t hit the vital targets effectively.
They were doped up and had body armor alot of dope and steal
PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE!!
I know all the talk is always about pistols. But if I could only carry one caliber for any situation, it would be the 357 mag. I know its on the large side for handguns but its versatility is unmatched. Self defense, hunting, and the fact it will shoot 38 special makes it truly special.
Also why I like .40S&W, because you can handload to similar .357 Mag velocity/energy, but you get semi-auto and more rounds (mine is 13+1, for example). I can't shoot .38 special out of it, though, lol!
Having multi-caliber capability is definitely something to consider, especially if one of them becomes difficult to obtain. It's why I built my AR-15 with a 5.56 chamber, because it can run 3 different cartridges, 5.56x45mm NATO, .223 Rem, and with the CMMG conversion kit, it also runs .22LR. It's also why 12ga shotguns are so wonderful, because 12ga loads can be almost anything (Taofledermaus's channel is actually what got me into reloading), plus, you can get chamber/barrel inserts that can let you shoot all manner of pistol calibers (or better yet, 20ga) - though very slow fire rate. You'd do this more as a survival weapon, where ammo is scarce, so if you need to make a shot with handgun ammo, it's easier to aim a long gun than a pistol. They are pricey, though, but an insert weighs less than carrying a handgun for each dedicated caliber. I think they make rifled .357 Mag inserts for 12ga. The cheaper inserts have no rifling, and accuracy beyond 10 yards starts to suffer a lot. Still a neat bit of kit.
You can't easily carry that if you're running on a trail in sweat shorts and a T-shirt. That's where small calibers come in such as .22 magnum North American Arms mini revolver.
Likewise with 32 mag or 32 special.
Totally agree, although I do carry a 45 for personal defense I recently bought a super 38 from a gun collector. I've never heard of these before but I'm loving the way it shoots and handles. I have since made this my personal carry. To me its like shooting the 38 special in my 357 mag.
I carry a Taurus 692 revolver chambered in 357 mag. It has a cylinder for 9mm, too, so you can carry 38, 357, or 9mm. The gun is fantastic!
So it comes down to my saying "A hit with a .22 counts much more than a miss with a .45".
I usually only carry 380acp for many reasons.
1) I’m lazy and it’s easy to pocket carry
2) I live in a nicer area than many
3) I never go out at night
4) in my house and vehicle I’ve got larger options.
5) I live a low risk lifestyle.
Observing #5 will allow you to be free of worrying about what caliber you're carrying 98% of the time.
All 5 reasons are what everyone thinks until it happens. There are no do-overs. Reconsider, before it's too late.
@@Jim-wr9izyou sound like u love 10MM. Lol.
@@scott2228I do! .40 cal from same handgun in home, 10mm when in public
Why speak about FMJ but show hollow points.
If one is able, .45acp is a stopper. Paul Harrell demonstrated 230 grain fmj does the trick on everything.Bears, cougars, people. Close quarters many medal of honor winners, dispatched 5 to 7 enemy combatants.
I love Paul but I hate his homemade meat targets. It simulates layers of material but ballistic gel is always consistent and easy to compare with other rounds
@@yume7z185You would say something that silly.
With Federal Hydra Shocks it's devastating. In my tests these opened up to .78 inches and retained over 80% of their original weight.
@@yume7z185 but any target is not going to be the same as the last target? So ballistic gel has its purpose, however it is not representational of reality.
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That's why one can have more than one test. One to compare bullets in a consistent medium and one that ads skin and bones. Ballistic gel is consistent but not realistic even in density as ballistic gelatine that is calibrated. The clear gel leads to bullets that open in that far softer medium to look good and sell but will act differently in bal. gelatine. Combining information of several tests makes sense. Paul added information on top of tests that already existed.
The best quote I heard about gun caliber’s came from a former green beret. The topic was about how the military went from 45 to 9mm. He said “when you shoot someone and can’t wait for them to die tomorrow, use a 45. He referenced on how a 9mm just doesn’t have the quick knock down power needed in a gun fight. But hey, what ever caliber you have is most likely better than nothing at all.
Utter nonsense! The rifle is the primary firearm in the military. They settled on a hot 9mm round for NATO to standardize the ammunition for handguns and submachine guns. They still mostly use FMJ too.
What the snake eater said is a fact. That said a 9mm is very good for defense. Saw a raghead take eight rounds from a 9mm before he dropped....**** that!
It's not nonsense; the subject here is handguns, not primary sidearms. Also the military use ball or FMJ because, according to the Geneva Convention, anything else is considered cruel and therefore prosecutable as a war crime. Most service members are never taught why they are only supplied with ball/FMJ, they just use it because that's what they are provided with. On a slightly different point, I have a personal friend who was a Navy SEAL for 20 years; he says, "a bullet doesn't have to be big if you put it where it belongs." I suspect both he and the Green Beret are correct - shot placement matters.
RE: the incident where it took eight rounds to stop a threat, I suspect other variables were at play. Law enforcement commonly report needing more rounds to stop opponents high on drugs. Body armor and tough clothes may have figured in. I note the lack of a second target taken with a .45 for comparison. I also note that shot placement wasn't reported; several rounds in the arms, legs, and belly are going to be less effective than shots in the head, neck or chest. Personal experience with a wide range of handguns has shown me an important point in favor of 9mm or .45 - quick accurate shot placement and quick accurate follow-on shot placement is much, much easier with smaller caliber pistols. Finally, I imagine after the first couple shots where a target kept coming, haste and excitement made follow-on shots less accurate even with something like a 9mm.
@@jimwolaver9375 FYI: It's the 1899 Hague Declaration concerning Expanding Bullets and the US never signed it. Other countries signed it, including several NATO members. US SOF do use JHP handgun rounds on missions. And, yes, shot placement is important no matter what round is used. Training is really key here.
@@charliefoxtrot5001 I know the US never signed it. I also know the US military constrains itself to those terms voluntarily for the sake of it's service members. I was never SOF, but I did serve 20 years active duty. I was never provided anything but ball/FMJ. As you already noticed, I agree; shot placement is king and training is key.
This is what I've learned in my many years in the military and the police world, which I still use today, if I plan to set in place, for home defense, I want the bigger round to defend me or my property, if I want to go on the offensive, the smaller round, since I can carry more ammo, if I choose that option.
There are three target SYSTEMS. System 1. Soft tissue with blood loss as it's primary mechanism. System 2. Support structural, this includes muscles, bones, and external nerves System. System 3. Central nerves System. This is the gold standard of targets.
I know I am late getting here but this is a genius answer and I would argue that larger heavier bullets are more effective on System 2 and have a better chance of reaching System 3. Since statistics average lots of variables they never give a clear picture. But a broken rib definitely has a profound effect on a persons ability to continue a fight as does a fractured vertebrae. Thank you for posting.
I use Hornady Critical Defense after watching several years of testing by Paul Harrell on his channel. It is the only round he has used in his meat target that in caliber from .380 on up and barrel length from 2 inches on out. It never fails to open, goes deep enough and never over penetrates. In the end do your own research and choose what you depend on. This was a good presentation and with lots of good information. Do get self education on all relevant laws in reference to carrying firearms and self defense for where you live and where ever you are traveling too. Keep your powder dry and your faith in God my brothers and sisters because we are definitely living in interesting times.
Dude ... Do yourself a favor and look into Underwood ammo. Hornady is a big fail. Winchester White Box JHP outperforms Hornady. The only round worth it's salt from Hormady is the .45. The 9mm fails in gel 50% of the time and when it does expand you get 7" of penetration. I respect Paul but not everything he opines is gospel. I will put Underwood, Lehigh, or G9 9mm against any other brand's best loading of.40 or .45 (including Federal HST) any day of the week.
Paul Harrell is the gold standard, he’s good, if it works it works, it works for me.
Underwood is much less available
and much more expensive.
Expansion tests I have seen show Critical Defense is reliable in 380, much less 9mm.
Hopefully Wilson Combat acquisition of Underwood makes it more available and less expensive.
@@PC-vq5ud Given that it is Wilson Combat I expect it get more expensive. I mean you the phrase "affordable" with the name "Wilson Combat" is what they call an oxymoron after all.
@@josephmeador1529 WRONG! That's because you are watching TH-camrs who does not use the FBI's recommended organic ballistic gels. They use a silicone based gel that does NOT mimick the human body. In all the videos that use organic ballistic gels, the bullet opens up exactly as it was meant to do. When the ballistic gel is made of silicone (completely clear/transparent gel), the bullet slides and slips right on through without opening up. You do YOURSELF A FAVOR, and learn a little about ballistic to stop spreading misinformation.
Ill tell you my experience living in a extremely violent city. Do what you want with it.
I know personally more then 6 people that have been shot more then 3 times with 9mm. 3died many years later from the wounds.
My best friend was killed by a 25cal he lived until the surgery 2 years later putting his stomach back together.
Nobody survived 357mag or 45cal. I believe 3 guys in westport were killed by Anthony mack Hall using a 357 he killed 9 but ony charged with 3.
One guy was killed head shot 380 while i was at the store.
After living though life in Baltimore and surviving a home invasion with a broken arm ribs and being pistol whipped i moved.
So in my 15 years there over 30 people i know were murdered.
The 9mm makes a hole but it doesn't seem to stop bad people.
Personally my choice for stopping would be 357 or 40 or 45.
But im not looking to kill i want get off me i carry a 22. Better to have and not need then have at home. Small means easy to carry.
Id like a 380 but don't have money under bidenomics.
After the home invasion it took years to feel safe. Even worse being a veteran hearing my girl yelling help an not being able to get to her. The feelings of weak failure. That darkness was hard to climb out of. Not impossible but extremely hard. Martial arts and range time helped. Ill tell you Florida Martial arts especially FMA (Filipino martial arts) they took me in an treated me like family.
Im back in Maryland because of family so id say recovery is possible.
I hope Nobody goes through what i did. Complacency is dangerous. Better to be called paranoid then go through the trauma. Take in mind i didn't lose anyone. I don't know if I could have climbed out of that.
When seconds count the police are minutes away. When they show up they are not there to help. Im sorry for honest police. That is my experience in Baltimore. They are out of touch with the neighborhoods. You only see police after someone dies or to harass looking for drugs.
Maybe someone will find this useful. All i can say is its truthful.
I’m like you on the.22, that’s what I carry because I feel comfortable that I can hit what I need to, & that’s what John Hinkley used & he almost killed Pres Regan, came within 2”.
Thanks for sharing. I agree completely. In a real fight, no gun / caliber is big enough and you never have enough bullets. Shooting in a Life & Death situation is a different reality and hitting / neutralizing the target in one shot is rare.
In a real gun fight, no gun / caliber is big enough and you never have enough bullets. Shooting in a Life & Death situation is surreal and hitting / neutralizing a target in one shot is rare. This is a good start to a much bigger discussion. Cheers 🍻
What fud comment. Educate yourself and stop relying on anecdotal experiences.
Thank you! Respect. Born and raised in Bmore (Greenmount) -Out!!
I was a .45 guy for decades, until I started watching a lot of videos comparing different cartridges. My new carry gun is a Springfield XDM Elite 10mm. I can carry JHP for self defense, but can load hard cast if I'm hiking and worried about bear/cougar.
10mm is to fast with overpenetration being a very possible innocent injury you don't want. I carry .40 sw as the ultimate self protection round.
10mm is a great round, it has a lot of advantages. Unfortunately my preferred pistols do not come in it.
So I use .45 for target practice, .45+P for the streets, and .45 super for the woods. All in one gun. 350, 450, and 600 FPE respectively, with 230 grains of lead to spread to get the job done. It has some advantages and disadvantages over the 10mm
But,9mm beats " I live in a safe area and don't need a gun "
10mm is great. It can be hard to find.
Personally used many different calibers in my service within Africa, Middle-East and South America. The skill of the operator is far more important than the slight difference in the projectile. Tired of these speculations, especially from people who have never had true life experience. 🇺🇸🇬🇧🇮🇱
Editing software qualifies any wannabe guru.
true sir, you can't miss enough to win. only hits count.
There are a lot of keyboard warriors out here that know a lot about ballistics, but have never been in a gunfight. Things change quickly when someone is shooting back.
So you say.
At 70 and never living anywhere I could have a gun until a year ago I weighed a number of factors and wound up with a .22 Taurus/ 16 round mags. since no one seemed to sell Klingon disruptors or Borg personal shields! After seeing what a solid point would penetrate and at what distances I quit disparaging it as "my peashooter". After familiarizing myself with state laws and rules of engagement, (and all the "buzz words and phrases") for the inevitable after action debriefings I practiced until I was "good on paper" as the pun goes. Next gradient combat, shooting or the best we can do out in the dessert with makeshift stuff. Very humbling experience trying to shoot on the fly at a moving target "shooting back" as you are looking for a wider tree to hide behind. Next gradient take a smack to the arm or leg with a cane- just enough to sting like Hell for 5-10 minutes- and run the course again. Compare before and after results!!! Even more humbling!
Conclusions: Tactile awareness at all times and based on rules of engagement, modified by perceived degree of threat to survival and potential for collateral damage and resulting legal issues. In short- have a plan for anything you can think off and then calmly DO IT. Odds are first strike WINS! If not an outright kill or even a "stop" the pain is introverting and greatly decreases your attackers efficiency.
And for all you nice guys out there REMEMBER: ALL predators will have the element of surprise to some degree as it is THEIR plan to rob? rape? kill? YOU. Predators also have a plan- easy victims- old, sick, injured, and yes- kids! So be alert as you may not have much warning. Hesitation can get you killed; misjudgment can get you jailed- unless you are LEO with "implied immunity"!
My brother was shot with a .22, entered top left part of his chest. According to doctors once it entered it bounced off his shoulder bone hitting his lung and then getting lodge in his spine. The T5 vertebrae to be exact. He’s been paralyzed from the chest down for 17 years now. So in some cases the .22 does “bounce” around causing more damage
cool story bro
RE .22 not bouncing around, read up on the Secretary James Brady shooting during an assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan.
What makes the 22 bounce more , and what about the 32 long
@@craigfinley2507 Bone
@@cwilson000 😂😂😂
Shot placement is not always the answer, if your under stress and you miss a vital area but you have large bullet like a 45acp and hit some one in the shoulder like a true story I know about the criminal was floored with that 1 shot due to impact of that big 45. On the other extreme decades ago on a Police true story show , A Police officer got in a shoot out with a 50 something year old man who had a 25acp and the Officer was shot and hit in the knee cap and fell down in agony and was killed with follow up shots . These kind of incidents are more common than you might think. Another interesting note the 357magnum is still the King on the streets according to FBI static's for 1 shot stops, Revolvers are far from being obsolete.
You can't spell "you're"
@@17cmmittlererminenwerfer81 Thanks for your intellectual genius for pointing this out.
Sig Sauer puts out the Elite V-Crown JHP ammo in heavy weights. The 230gr .45ACP puts out 369 ft.lbs. of energy. The 124gr 9mm puts out 374 ft.lbs of energy. The difference in brands is +/- 50ft.lbs at the extremes. That's a minuscule amount truth be told. .45acp holds it myth about it's "stopping power" from military use when it was only used as an FMJ and gleaning it from it's older cousin the .45 Long Colt which was used in early US Indonesia wars.
No such thing .hunting, sure but not self defense. Nerves going wild, fear and lead flying your way ..many comments on folks saying shot placement .lol don't no what there talking about .same as the nine is king ..40&45 will all ways be better .peole can't except it but folks are free to do there own test
@Johnnywanker. You must live in a cold climate and you must be a big guy. In Florida its too much gun and I am not a larger person. But I will use my Colt Border Patrol 357 mag as a home defense gun. I would like to here some feed back on this . Thank you.
Shot placement is the most important, but .44 special is pretty badass lol
Rare to hear someone note the .44 special. 😅
@@charlesmelchiorre4109 Sadly.
There are so many compact, reliable, affordable 9mms I don't really see a reason to go any smaller than that for self defense unless you have arthritis or some other issue that makes it hard to handle the recoil. Plus 9mm ammo is cheaper than even some smaller calibers because they make so much of it. I'm not saying smaller rounds are incapable of stopping a threat, but you're definitely putting yourself at a disadvantage.
Stopping power can be seen, the evidence is clear when hunting with handguns. I'm glad somebody made this because I want people to know that 40 caliber is better than 9mm. From a ballistic standpoint.
I've always looked at your "stopping power" as the energy delivered IE muzzle energy at whatever range. It's simple mathematics. Speed & weight play a factor. A .45 is gonna have more energy transfer than a 9mm & a 10mm is going to have more than a .45.
Not so much anymore though from a stopping power standpoint. Today's 9mm ammo is really good, way better than ten or 15 years ago. It is why the military and law enforcement never really fully adopted the 10mm or 40S&W.
@@newenglandrider3189 They make the same advanced rounds in .40.
A .38 is still bigger than a 9mm. .40 is still my favorite.
@@justanotherguy1110 no- a .45 does not necessarily have more energy than a 9x19. Some 9mm in fullsize guns can hit 500fpe. Basic 830fps .45 is 370.
Can it be seen with handguns? How?
Just note that a JHP bullet's penetration and expansion will be somewhat dependent on barrel length. A short barreled CCW may not generate enough velocity/force to effectively expand a JHP round - depending on the design of the bullet.
The design of JHP rounds varies to a wide extent and rarely do the manufacturers explain how the difference in barrel length affects the performance of the bullet. It would be nice if they would say, "This bullet was designed for a 2" snub nose revolver" or "This was designed for a 2.5" to 3" barrel CC pistol," or maybe, "This is for service pistols with a 4" to 6" barrel." As it is, the typical customer has no idea what he's getting.
Like Dave Chappelle noticed, boxes of 12Ga. ammo either have silhouettes of ducks or deer on them, not of knife wielding men.
Excellent review. I was a Detective (Security Threat Groups) for 20 years and I’ve watched the progression of ballistics. I like .45. I carry .45 but 9mm has progressed so far ballistically that it has become an excellent round. Our standard issue was a .40. It was at the time a good service round because those who couldn’t shoot .45 accurately seem to handle the .40 and it was a little harder hitting than 9mm. It was however somewhat hard on the firearms. I think innovations in 9mm has bridged that gap. All that being said, I sure had a lot of dead folks from .22. As many others have said, Shot placement is the key. 8 shots in the hands of a well practiced shooter is worth more than 20 in the hands of an unpracticed one.
So 9mm projectiles have advanced to "bridge the gap" but all other projectiles have not? Definitely not true.
The 8 shot 20 shot thing, my grandfather used to say the same thing, weird 😊😢 he's been dead now 13 years but I always remember that saying 😊
you "think"??? what actual EVIDENCE do you base your opinion on?
@@TopClips7777 Funny stuff, Except I'm not a boomer, I don't own a 10mm or an uncle mikes holster and I wouldn't be caught dead in cargo shorts. All other major calibers have upgraded along with 9mm and I didn't take anything personal. So you're wrong about everything, but then again you're probably used to that.
As always is shooting accuracy, hitting what you’re aiming. Unfortunately for the majority of us, if in this situation your heart is pounding at very elevated levels making your hand shakey and your brain is going 100mph, so hitting what you want becomes rather difficult. But the projectile’s construction can help over come some of the inaccuracy that will happen to most of us, like me. Great video and very informative
Wrong on the .380.
All my reloading manuals say .355.
Where did you get .357 from?
Just a quick note for new carriers: Make sure brandishing your firearm is a last resort of an immediate threat. At least in Virginia, it is illegal to Brandish unless you have run out of every option.
In ohio here, youd better shoot if you draw, and do not fire warning shots. They feel that if you pulled your gun youre saying you HAD to do it. If you HAD to pull it, then you better use it to stop a threat.
Ive had a few close calls over the years, thankfully havent had to draw or expose my weapon so far.
@brianbiyle3998 I subscribe to if you draw unless something occurs in the next critical second your firing to take down the bad guy. There IS No Brandishing. It's on the baddie he/she might think your bluffing. It's not a video fame.
Don't mean to sound critical Brian. Just saying.
from texas
same in Illinois it will be called assault and your arrested. Even if not pointed at anyone.
Ya, glad I live in Arizona.
For sure bro
this guy is dumb for saying that
I used to shoot with the commander of Houston SWAT (or so he said). Great guy and he improved my aim greatly. 25 yards and a whole magazine of .45 ACP in the area of the base of a beer can. Caliber, gun barrel length, really any metric you care to use is completely irrelevant if you, the user, is unwilling to deprive the assailant of any further damage, potential joy and love. There is no warning shot. If you, as the user, is unwilling to rob the assailant of his life, whatever you have, the caliber, make/model simply don't matter.
I don't live in "bear" territory (outside the uniformed ones) but if it comes down to the fury ones, I would definitely want a 30-30 or a 12 gauge, not a handgun
I’m confident in my 220 grain 10mm rounds for hiking and camping defense in the Rockies. Proven penetration for bear HUNTING, not just defense.
tell that to Alaskans who prefer to carry a Glock in either 10mm or 460 Rowland
It turns out that after studying all the available data on bear attacks and handguns ... analysis showed that any handgun caliber has a doumented 98% success rate against bears. Oddly enough, the caliber that failed the most (where the human died) was .357 Magnum. Any gun can deter a bear whether you kill it or not. The only documented "one shot kills" on bears (that I've seen) with a handgun were both .40 caliber.
@@josephmeador1529 Well when you're getting charged by an 800lb grizzly I hope your .22 derringer works for you....remember you only need 1 round because shot placement is all that matters~!!! Personally though I'll be keeping the long slide 10mm with a 20 round extendo filled with extra spicy nuggets.
you must control your fury, grasshopper.
I Rather be ready for that “can be situation” than not be ready for that “will be situation” that you mention in the video, I stick with .40 s&w for self defense even though it gets a lot of hate
Right....let them hate.
I'm the same way. I carry a 40 s&w as well for self defense. If nothing more than just because everyone else hates em. That makes me like em even more. Lol
Good choice. Just think about changing springs maybe all 5k rounds so the pistol will not beat itself prematurely.
I have seen 25 ACP penetrate all the way through 2 rough hewn, damp, oak boards, about 1.75” thick. Consider that it did that with about an inch and a half of barrel to accelerate! The trouble with the 25 is that no one has ever made a good gun for it, with a longer barrel, like a 1911 or something like the Ruger, Mark series. Unlike the 22, I was shooting a 50, or 58 grain bullet, a Winchester, full metal jacket.
What you say makes good sense just to add to that. A lot of calibers don't get much of a chance when there isn't much of a selection for bullets types.
Good point. They should make 22 RL and WMR as centerfire rounds. The rim primers/reliable ignition seems to an issue with the regular 22s.
I used some hornady critical defense .25 in a small pistol. The bullets didn't really expand, the 'petals' of the bullet just kind of opened and broke off. I sold that gun as i figured it would get me killed if I ever had to shoot at someone that had a real gun...
@@amazingamerican3958The 25 ACP, in its best guise, is better than a sharp stick, but still not as good as a more substantial cartridge. John Browning figured the 25 ACP could stop an attacker with several, quick shots to the face, in the Baby Browning pistol.
I was in a deadly force situation. Armed with a 9mm. I won, he lost. Be armed, be ready. It kept me alive. I own other guns but I like my 9mm with Gold Dots. Don’t fret over what calibre you carry. Be more concerned with being aware and getting out of a situation before it turns deadly.
So basically just get a Smith and Wesson 357 magnum and you will be ready for most anything including that peaky bear or cougar you might run into.😊
10mm auto.
Yes - you will make him a fine meal. A revolver is an excellent improvement over cap and ball single shots - especially ones that use metallic cartridges. It's when you get to the need for that 7th shot that they kind of lose their charm, but they're certainly the pinnacle of 19th century handgun technology.
@@MrGsteele
Mine holds 8 😋 and I have two of them for a total of 16 . Plus a rifle that holds 10.
@@MrGsteele There are a lot of revolvers that hold more than 6.
As I've got older the threat of cougars has disappeared 😅😅
Well let's talk about what I've seen as an EMT for 30 years. Many times we had patients that took several rounds of 9mm before they finally stopped, but lost to much blood from all the holes to save. Where as larger calibers has fewer wounds, less bleeding and we saved quite a lot of them.
It's not a concern if they lived or died, but rather, did they immediately stop doing the criminal thing for which they were shot. As an EMT, you're introducing survivor's bias to the equation.
@@rogerwood5228 He is also saying rather obliquely that you need less hits for larger calibers to be effective otherwise why did someone need more 9mm hits. If they did NOT require the extra hits from 9mm then that is shooting a person after they were incapacitated and that is very, very illegal.
They definitely needed more. Bullet weight too low or Speed to low. Look at 357 magnum. Similar weight way more speed. Way more damage...than 9mm. We all agree 357 more power than 9mm
357 only slightly larger diameter
Saw the same thing working EMS
@@nickg5276 .357 has the best "one shot stopping" averaged over thousands of police encounters. I use .38 Super Colt Automatic and always felt well armed.
Agree with most of your points, but the FBI standards were designed for law enforcement and not civilian use. It’s a good way to test and compare ammo because you are using a standardized medium, but people get a little too caught up on the minimum penetration. That 12” standard encompasses going through different angles that a LEO can and often do encounter, not just a straight on shot.
I bring this up because certain rounds may only reach 10 - 11 inches and people don’t think it will hit the vitals, and that’s simply not the case.
However, your overall premise about shot placement is a lesson and challenge for all of us.
For most calibers, a FMJ (not hollow point) round will travel all the way through a body. If you carry a less-powerful caliber, such as .380, FMJ may be your best choice.
@@floycewhite6991 I have a 380, nice and small for ez carry. Its loaded with FMJ. And dont forget a FMJ also jams less.
I agree with your conclusions. My primary defense handgun is a Taurus TX22-C with a laser, and a North Am. Arms .22 magnum pocket revolver with a laser for my backup. PRACTICE, DISCERNMENT UNDER PRESSURE, and SHOT PLACEMENT are key to protecting me and mine. Also, so far no one has mentioned your fantastic production values! Well done, both content and premiss!
Nice informational video from people who have never been in combat or know even basic ammunition history.
In 1900, the standard U.S. military side arm was a 38 revolver. It was found not to be effective in the field during close quarter battle (CQB). When the Moro tribes in the Philippines would attack soldiers, they would be hit with multiple 38 rounds but still kill the soldier, take their gear, and often survive all without using firearms. The 45 ACP was developed specifically for this type of CQB threat. The 45 is a wide caliber, heavy grain, high power, subsonic bullet. Prototype fire arms were tested in the field where the 45 ACP was found to have great KNOCK DOWN power (I don'tknow where the cornball term "stopping power" came from), meaning if you get hit with a 45 ACP even in the arm, you will be twisted about and knocked to the ground. The U.S. military adopted the Colt 1911 45 ACP, yes you guessed it, in 1911.
When I was in the military in the mid-1990s, a bunch of military bureaucrats, who had never been in combat, decided for logistic reason to adopt the standard UN 9mm round and drop the 45 ACP. And for those of you who don't know how silly this is, a 9mm round is basically a 38 in caliber with few more grains more pressure behind the projectile.
I have been in combat using both 45 ACP and 9mm FMJ. Every human I hit with a 45 ACP hit the ground, and with them not firing at me, I quickly finished them off. Using a 9mm, unless I hit them in the brain, it took multiple hits, and those bastards never stopped firing at me until they bled out.
I have also been shot in my body armor by both 45 ACP and 9mm. Body armor stopped the 45 ACP, but it knocked me on the ground hard, took my breath away, and cracked my ribs. The 9mm hits were so insignificant that I forgot about them until I inspected my body armor after the battle.
Being in a fire fight, it is stategically critical to have effective ammunition to take your opponent to the ground where they are no longer firing at you and you can finish them off.
My uncle was a Marine in WWII in the Pacific Island campaign. The Marines were issued 38 special revolvers, same as the Navy, but he said every Marine in his unit swapped their 38's for a 45 Auto as soon as they could. He said Army guys made a lot of money selling their 45 Colt's to Marines. He and other Marines had heard many stories of charging Samarai's taking multiple 38 slugs to the chest and still charging forward to hit you with their bayonet. One 45 slug however, even in the arm or leg and the guy was slammed to the ground, maybe not dead but it had taken the fight out of him.
This is one of those dumb Gen Z videos of someone else's stock footage over and over and some robot reading wikipedia. I want my view back.
Incredibly good video. So much info. Thank you for your efforts to inform and educate us. Keep them coming. Thanks again.
Bullet type and placement go a long way in determining so called "Stopping Power" !
No such thing as stopping power. Thats just some crap selling shtt to push hollow points on people who dont know any better.
Two things matter....penetration and hitting something that matters.....artery, CNS, something that will cause massive BP drop or screw the CNS up enough to put the threat down.
Carry what you are comfortable and confident with first and foremost. While I am comfortable with both my .40 and .45, my wife is most comfortable with her .9mm.
In a true SHTF moment...any firearm is better than no firearm...you are not thinking about depth and expansion in that moment.
Be confident in what you carry.
Having a firearm on you helps, nobody's going to carry around a 500 magnum, you have to be realistic, guys at work talk about their big magnums and then you ask what they have on them and they shrug their shoulders, I carry a small LCP 380 Max 13 Rounds of extreme penetrators
This topic is like the movie Groundhog Day...
The problem with these new "fluted" FTM that is not discussed is the fact that this strange geometry might hang on the feed ramp on some pistols. You'd need to test at least a couple boxes of ammo without any failures to feed, before trusting it.
The main difference between handgun damage is the size of the hole and where the hole is. Contrary to rifle calibers where there is an immense kinetic effect, Handhun bullets are simple a hole that causes hemorrhage. Thus, the so called stopping power depends on how big the hole is and where the hole is. The bigger the hole and the bigger the vessel, the greater the and more rapid the incapacitation. As a physician, I've seen patients hit by a 45 nine times walk out of the hospital the next day. Meawhile, I've seen patients hit by a 22 once (through the pulmonary artery) die in minutes. Modern body armor, including HMW polycarbonate helmets, can defeat any handgun ammo.
Old saying. I've never known anybody to say, "I'll stand down range while you fire a 22lr, or 380, or.........
Or even a 32 auto. It's less useful against a crazy drugged assailant but most of the time it would stop a threat
It's because its the attempt to illustrate a point based on a fallacy.
A 22,32,380,38 is better than a spit ball and if you show do up the a knife fight heck it's better than having a knife 😅
I've never hear anyone say " I'l let you stab me with a butcher knife, or hit me in the head witth a baseball bat". So does that mean a butcher knife or a baseball bat is the idea self defense weapon?
Sorry, I was going to say YES! but I re-read your post and I think you were saying "ideal self defense weapon"? As written "idea" I see that and sure why not? A knife or bat idea is still better than shaking an angry fist at someone.
I've seen people functional, even conversational with head wound that missed the brain but catastrophically damaged the face, shotgun through the lung etc. But I've seen 3 people who were dropped immediately with a .25 to the brain. Seen one who was instantly dropped by a .22 LR that perforated the aorta and lung (it did, in fact, bounce twice), and several with .22s to noggin that did not move thereafter. Placement is everything. Power is nice but honestly, nothing makes up for shot placement.
At minute 5:05 the dude almost missed. How!! When he’s just standing 3ft away 😂😂
I have to disaagree while shot placement is a key factor, people seem to think they are Annie Oakley or a Sharps shooter.Thinking that your attacker is going to give you the best target possible. Some of the best advise i received came from a Team Sergent "Leg shots become head shots" Take the shot you are given Id take a LH-EXD in .45 everyday over a nine MM
This has really taught me a lot! I'm going to check into those fluid bullets for my Glok 40 cal.
Hell yeah brother. I just remember a blunt nose bulley is always going to disrupt more tissue then a rounded bullet...40 smith and Wesson fmj has a blunt nose.
Us exactly what the cops use , otherwise yull get questions about shooting tank round at your x wife 😂
I EDC a Kel-tec pmr-30 because it's super lightweight even with 4 fully loaded 30 round magazine's on my person at all times i think i could lay down suppressing fire to prevent from being flanked and overran for a little while
I carry .380 ACP hollow points.
Caliber is on the smaller side, but I work with what I have.
Great review - thanks for sharing this information with your viewers.
There is an entire realm of all cartridges beyond stopping power and capacity. What was it designed to do
i agree the video was excellent
The ability for a bullet to effectively penetrate through barriers such as glass, wood, clothing, or bone before hitting its target is commonly referred to as stopping power, a concept that this hack dismisses as a falsehood. In reality, defensive actions are typically quickly taken in response to a situation, leaving little time for carefully choosing where to aim shots, especially in close quarters with obstacles. Yes, in a perfect situation when you have time for proper shot placement with no obstacles other than light clothing, a 9mm can be effective. When your life is on the line, why take a chance with light calibers? Think I'll stick to my Hornady Critical Defense .40 S&W, Hornady Critical Defense 10mm and my tried and true Federal 12 gauge buckshot.
I've been carrying .380acp for the past 23 years. Shot placement is key.
Thanks, I at smallest carry a 32 ACP and always wondered if it would be enough. Bought some good JHP and now and rethinking my ammo choice. My main carry caliber is 357 sig
Well, there's 13.5 minutes of my life I can't get back.
For those who don't think stopping power is a thing apparently have never heard of Even Marshall and Ed Sandow.
Their publications are shoddy at best. Full of sloppy work, contradictions, and finally way out of date.
Completely outdated terminology, concepts, methods, and analysis. The term "handgun stopping power" is for people that don't train.
Wonderful video ❤ perfect for a new shooter and experienced shooters alike. Just concise, unbiased information.
The mil-spec 9mm hardball round has populated more graveyards than all other handgun cartridges put together.
Cars are more deadly than 9mm. You should carry a car.
I like jhp but I have an uncle that was in Vietnam. He said his 45acp fmj's were killers!
Yeah but they are the size of children
@@dingaling14 Yep, both of them. 🙂
They were considered notoriously ineffective.
@@MalachiWhite-tw7hl I have known many nam vets, most of them carried 45s.If they were considered notoriously ineffective why would they carry one.
@@tonybailey132 Because that's what they were supplied with.
You carry a handgun because you can, and you use it to fight your way to a rifle or shotgun...the real fight stoppers.
Use your pistol to fight your way back to your rifle that you should have brought with you to begin with.
@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 Ya, but the villagers get a little nervous when you walk are the mall with your AR, and the 5-O will give you a big "hug" for doing so.
@@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443Uh yeah, handgun under the steering column....rifle in the hatch back. Pull the back seat down to access rifle in hatch. OR: AR pistol in tool bag on passenger floor.
I'd like to know how many times that ever happens, except in the minds of armchair commandos.
@@almaadams3631 I just put a machine gun mounted right on my hood (detachable) with remote control firing available from the steering wheel.
Regardless of all the research and science, despite the performance ratings in ballistic gel...
Shot placement and a number of other factors regarding the attacker will ultimately determine the "stopping power" of defensive rounds. For example, if the attacker is a burly man wearing thick layers with a leather jacket on and high or drunk, he's gonna be hard to stop. Shots in the cranial zone, eyes, nose, throat, temples, etc., should be utilized. However, if your attacker is a slim lady with a light sundress on, shots will be much more devastating and halt the advance immediately. In any case, there's always SO many more factors that determine the effectiveness of your carry ammo, it's NOT just the ammo tech or the firearm's capabilities.
Remember: Always KNOW YOUR TARGET and what's behind it.
This was TERRIFIC! So I have SUBSCRIBED - thanks - much appreciated…
Nice video. You didn't do all your research on the 1980'S fbi caliber ballistic study. I read the fbi caliber study 14 years ago. I switched to 10mm auto after reading the fbi study. Here is the missing information that no mentions about that study. Fbi found that a jhp bullet of 12"-18" penetration is needed in ballistic gel. The jhp bullet needed to have at minimum 550ft lbs muzzle energy to an attackers vitals to have the highest 1 shot stop performance ratio (so the fbi study is saying kinetic energy does in fact play a part in bullet terminal ballistics). So 12"-18" gel penetration and 550M.E. with jhp bullets are what the fbi is saying will stop an attacker with 1 bullet to the vitals. If you do more research on the matter, involving law enforcement using 9mm vs 10mm, you will find that 10mm does in fact stop an attacker with 1 bullet to the vitals. But the attacker in must cases got shot twice (the second shot hits a shoulder or arm, meaning the attacker is dripping to the ground in that movement when they are getting shot the second time. Anyways...
I use 180GR jph with 600+M.E. in my glock 29 for home,woods, and urban defense.
If you can take out a bear, you can take out Florida Man.
Words to live by
Depending on what Florida Man is hopped up on.
But what about Florida Man riding a Florida Black Bear?
@@user-qk5oi9mm6k that would require alligator cavalry.
Good information. Thanks
I don't often signin to YT to comment on video, but I made exception here.
This was one of the best, most informative, straight up honest ballistic videos that I have seen. Great job!
You covered an amazing amount of information very effectively.
Oh, so much to discuss! "Stopping power" was a talking point when the .40S&W , as well as the.357Sig came out. There were some positive results for the .40S&W in real applications, and it was ahead of the 9mm in recorded 1 shot stops. .357 Mag used to be the standard for 1 shot stops, and then necked down.357 Sig was hoping to match that in a semi auto. It didn't. Great video, and good explanation of the variables.
357 SIG is a necked down 10mm and the ballistic performance is actually pretty close to 357 Magnum. .40 isn't as powerful in factory form, but can be hot loaded. The problem is the gun isn't designed to handle that long term. Same with hot 9mm. The 357 SIG guns on the other hand were designed for the hot load from the beginning.
Twin S&W M&P .22 MAG ... 30+1, I've stop 2 people so far, I dont need anything else, but I also carry .380 M&P, 57 FN , 9mm Glock and Sig, 10mm Vector and .40 H&k... different ammo and guns for different situations. Not to mention my .223, .556, .308... you know different situations 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great video, thanks T.J. Miller!
I took a medical history on a small (120 pounds) woman who was shot 5times in the chest stomach abdomen and back with a .25 ACP. She survived, obviously. That says all I need to know about a .25 ACP.
I get it now... I'm gonna carry a howitzer for self-defense.
UH, might be a bit hard to conceal LOL
@@elder1144 I'll just tell them I'm black from the waist down.
LOL yeah that should cover ya
First time I have ever heard someone say 25ACP "Kicks like a mule". They are called mouse calibers for a reason.
Some of the hardest kicking guns are small calibers in a small light pistol.
@@BuckNuttage That is true if you say put a 9mm in a small gun but it scales. Put a 380ACP into the same small gun and it is comparable to 9mm in a larger gun. I have shot 25ACP and no, it does not 'Kick like a mule'. Perhaps kicks like a small dog.
Always a great presentation. 🍻 Your conclusion makes sense for people that can shoot accurately and there’s a caliber / bullet for every person and purpose. I love the freedom and choices.
I've seen many ballistics reports and comparisons. Saying there really isn't a test or data isn't correct. Keep in mind for instance a .38 is bigger than a 9mm. More is better. Bigger is bigger. If you want a bigger hole, more wound damage, then certainly a wider diameter projectile is bigger, hence better, and carries more mass and energy into its target. If I miss your chest with a .45 but hit your shoulder instead, your shoulder is gone. You are in shock. So it doesn't really matter about my poor shot placement does it? I like .40 cal based on previous testing. For mass and energy transfer and penetration. Now, I;ve got .40 improved killer ammo with even better penetration, and I still can pack many rounds, and bring my gun back on target pretty well as compared to 9mm. I'm sticking with .40 cal.
Are we still talking about this silly S? Come on Fudds.
Stopping power? I knew a guy who called it knock down power. He once claimed that he hit a squirrel with a .357 magnum and it did three complete flips in the air before falling down dead. He also claimed that he can shoot every bullet into the same hole without any deviance but doesn't want to show evidence of this.
LOL
He likely walks on water too.
Good explanation. While something like a 45cal 185gr Barnes DPX may do more damage more tissue, a similar projectile from a 9mm can do "enough" damage. Its smaller diameter allows it to penetrate barriers better, and its lighter weight and smaller case capacity produce less recoil, making it easier for less experienced shooters to operate effectively. In short, the 9mm may not be the "best" option enough every circumstance, it's "good enough" in more circumstances than most other cartridges. Combine that with it's low cost and ammo availability, it becomes the obvious choice for most people.
Thanks good info!
Stopping power isn’t a myth. Stopping power is the amount of energy transferred to ur target. How do you measure it ? No clue. But a 230 gr projectile that doesn’t fully penetrate transfers all of its energy into the target, vs a 9mil pass through, which clearly doesn’t
Which leads me to think, that a .45 xtreme defender would be the best choice.
If you’re not carrying hollow point 9mms, you're doing it wrong. They transfer all the energy into their target. Stopping power IS a myth.
Measure the kinetic energy (mass * velocity * velocity) just before impact, subtract the kinetic energy just after impact. What is left is what gets transferred to the body.
As long as your assailant is adverse to pain and/or bleeding, any caliber will give him pause for the cause. Multiple little holes can kill as well as one or two larger ones. What you hit with those shots matters the most, of course. Hopefully you didn't just make his body-armor heavier!
Side note: .32 ACP Hollow Point rounds can rim-snag one another (they are actually semi-rimless) in a magazine, as they have enough front-to-back wiggle room in most magazines to do so. I only use full-length round nose .32 ACP in semi-auto magazines for this reason. A better choice for .32 CC & self-defense might be a short barrel revolver that chambers either .32-20 rifle rounds, or .32 H&R Magnum. Hollow points in short-barrel pistols generally will not get enough velocity to expand much (or at all) so may be overpriced for CCW.
Rimlock happens on a 32 when the mag isn't loaded correctly. It never happens outside of user error
@@timd729 Not only does it happen, someone else has made a YT video demonstrating how it happens with a properly loaded magazine. Depending on the length of the round, and the shape of the magazine, the rounds can shift forward or backward during recoil. Just because you have not seen or experienced this yourself, does not mean it does not happen or is not possible. I am glad you have not had this situation, but should this occur, other people need to understand it is not just a user-induced failure.
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@@timd729 Dose it matter why it happens? Fact round nose FMJ jam less in most guns.
Thank you for confiming what I have thought and said for years, shot placement makes all the difference, along with lots of practice.
Excellent review
The Thompson-LaGarde Tests in 1904 were the definitive tests of handgun rounds on live animals to determine the right caliber for the army handgun. The results of these tests were endorsed by Cooper and Hatcher. The conclusion was that the new handgun should be of .45 caliber.
That was right until recently! In the original loadings it only took 6 .45 to kill a horse and 9 or more 9mm to kill a horse. Nowadays, your max loading of 9mm, .40, and .45 are all equal at about 500 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. The only difference is the effect that sectional density has on penetration in FMJ. For JHP, the 9mm, 40, or 45 designed to expand and penetrate to FBI standards will all perform about the same and the only difference would be the cost per round and capacity.
@@josephmeador1529 they picked 45 FMJ 230 grain for several reasons. One, it was to incapacitate a horse not kill it. The big FMJ had enough penetration and stopping power. Second, it had to feed flawlessly in a pistol. Third, it was optimal non-expanding bullet against troops vs 9 mm, 380, etc. 45 ACP FMJ has around 370 foot pounds, not 500 foot pounds, which is 357 mag. level.
Don't forget about the fuddlore that says the 45 ACP will physically knock a person back because it ignores the laws of physics
Well a 45 ACP with power loads with hit with 450 to 600 Ft-Lbs of energy, that is like having 450 to 600 Lbs dropped from a height of 1 Ft on your body. I think that would likely make the average person stagger back if not fall on their butt.
I call BS on the screwdriver bullets.
9mm is pocket gun caliber and I DO recommend that you carry in a front pants pocket holster. If you bother with a belt gun, it should be a 10mm. Both are best loaded with liberty Arm's solid copper hp. The pocket 9mm will be 50 grs at 2000 fps, 450 ft lbs, and no more recoil than a Makarov. Twice as effective as a .38 snub and twice as fast for repeat hits, too. The 10mm is 60 grs at 2300 fps, for 700 ft lbs, no more recoil than a plus p 147 gr 9mm load. You'll need to cast bullets and reload for either one of them if you want to be adequately skilled, but the pocket 9mm requires less draw practice due to the "hand in pocket' starting position.
I think you take some liberties in your overall assessment. Yes bullet placement is important but larger holes leak more blood. That's simply a fact. Many modern ammo manufacturers make ammo that penetrates and expands well in modern pistols. Case in point look at the recent CCI uppercut in .22LR. I believe the best combination is diameter expension, penetration, and bullet placement. That is why practice is of the up most importance regardless they caliber a person chooses to carry for self defense.
Pretty good and informative video. I do how ever disagree with some of what was said. The reason is simply. Anyone can go to the range and practice shooting. Any caliber will work for this. But, when in real life you will be in panic mode. That is unless you have been in close quarter gun battles before. Unless you have been where the target shoots back at you. You do not know what you truly will do. First off, your hand or hands will not be steady like they were on the range. Nerves do that to a person. Shot placement is out the window in most cases. With that. Small calibers that are light and very easy to carry. May not preform like you want them to. I do carry 45 and 10mm for this reason. And I have been where targets shoot back at you. So with your shaking hands can you hit that perfect bullseye? Doubtful. With the larger calibers in my opinion. Close to the bullseye with a large enough wound cavity and I made my shot. Small wound cavity, is a miss and they can still shoot or attack you.
best to stick with what you are comfortable with, I've been a colt .45 acp all timer. carry in bear country will stop a bear. Stopped plenty of people also. just standard .45 acp fmj.
Very informative and accurate presentation.
I've never heard anyone say that they think it takes 2 9mm rounds to equal a 45acp round. Or that a .380 round is harmless or useless. That's complete bs.
Excellent and very informative video
Thanks for sharing. 👍
Great information 😊
@ risk of being lambasted, for saying this, I believe bullet designs are a bit of a gimmick. i've seen what bullets do to bodies & shot placement tells the tale. good hits with FMJ or LRN will render any man graveyard dead, imho of course.
your belief doesn't have as much weight as the tests various agencies conducted for defensive handgun ammo back in 2016 and 2017. in their tests they found that the fluted bullets by Lehigh Defense work better than either FMJ or JHP
@@ResidentGunNut my belief is based on homicides & suicides i've responded to, not that many, but a few & all were FMJ & or LRN. well all got opinions on this. I have mine, ✌️
Also could be that the same people who take a little time to learn about different bullets and calibers are the same people who also take a little time to learn about situational awareness, who avoid going to stupid places with stupid people to do stupid things at stupid times, and never get into gangland shootouts over drugs using the cheap firearms stolen in their neighborhoods?
@@floycewhite6991 not walking around with ones head in their ass & avoiding thug-land is wise indeed.
FMJ even goes through the intended target and hits an unintended target as a bonus point! 🤦
I hate the myth of the bouncing .22lr. What the hell is in your body that would make a bullet bounce? Adamantium on your bones?
22 rounds tumble when they hit hard objects such as bone. And that makes them slow down. So they can actually not necessarily bounce but ricochet or glance off of the bone and come out in a different are of the body. I've seen it happen. Both on humans and animals.
Great review
Amen. I’ve always said “shot placement”
We’d been told our department issued .38 was weak & not capable of stopping bad guys. Not true, my revolver put the suspect down when I was forced to use it. Our issued ammo was 158 grain round nose standard pressure in one case, +P round nose once and +P hollow point FBI 158 grain in the last confrontation.
One of the biggest lies put forward is that the 9mm in its BEST form (124 grain JHP) is as powerful as the .40 caliber in its BEST form (155 - 165 Grain JHP) the FACTS do not support that lie! That being said, BOTH rounds will get the job done! I am retired LE and spent the last 7 years as Director of a Police Academy. The MAIN reason LE Agencies (Federal - State - Local) are switching to the 9mm is that some recruits (Female and Smaller) have a hard time with the "snappy" recoil of the .40 caliber handgun. The 9mm option offers less recoil and greater hit potential, not a bad reason to switch. By the way, did the author not hear of Hornady Critical Duty Ammo? That particular round in MOST calibers, was DESIGNED to go thru Glass, Doors and Walls! DO NOT use FMJ ammo if at all possible. It is mostly made for Target Shooting.
it was my understanding that the hornady critical duty ammo in 9mm was what met all the FBI requirements . or was that bs? it's what I have been carrying. admittedly I haven't shot anyone and hope I don't have to. lol I still have 15 black talons, but they have a bad rep.
@@848evo4that is an excellent round to carry, 9 mm is definitely adequate, I mean how dead do you want them to be
Personally I like.357 after talking to a coroner he said basically that you don't want to use 25 or 32 obviously
Speer Gold Dot and any bonded bullet will do the same.
@@joeiborowski9763 EXCELLENT CHOICE, especially in .45 & .40!
As long as shot placement is accurate… many calibers should stop an aggressor
One of the things you did not address is that hollow point bullets expand upon impact. If the targeted person is wearing thick winter clothing or a leather jacket, the bullet can expand too soon and not penetrate enough or the cup in the bullet can be clogged with material and bullet not expand at all. The fluted bullet can penetrate medium hard barriers and still be effective at causing a large wound channel in the flesh.