PHQ | QUESTIONS: INTP vs INFP
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2024
- In this episode, Joel and Antonia talk about INTP vs INFP.
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Artistic INTP-T here. Thank you for acknowledging my existence.
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Enneagram 5w6 INTPs are into gaming and electronics. 5w4 INTPs, like Carl Jung (who CS Joseph clearly shows as INTP), are more interested in the social sciences, and not technology.
Carl Jung was likely INFJ. His works focused on patterns, archetypes and dream interpretations while focusing on some of his vividly detailed dreams and his interpretations/symbolism of them. Especially in his memoir
@@readinggeorgeeliot1489 Objective Personality and CS Joseph don't agree on alot but they do agree Carl Jung was an INTP.
Actually Carl Jung himself said his top cognitive function was introverted thinking.
Consider also that nearly every major typology theory came from an INTP such as Jung, Linda Berens, David Keirsey, Claudio Naranjo, Viktor Gulenko. Or from an ENTP, such as John Beebe and the lady that created Socionics.
As Darionardi notes, categorizing is Ne-Ti.
INFJ are great at developing people, but they are not as great at creating theories as Ti-Ne doms.
Finally check out Jung's BBC interviews on TH-cam. Using CSJ's type grid you will see he is informative and his other interactive styles matches an INTP much more than an INFJ.
When you said that INFP is deeply motivated by alignment I about cried. I have languished under so many attempts of others trying to explain what should move me, only to feel judged for my apparent lack of desire to make something of myself. I have come to understand that I see the world as a poet, which has quickened my desire to live with deep intention. Thank you both for your time and your approach to these topics. It has helped me to both understand myself and accept myself.
I resonate with this very much. Love the phrase "to live with deep intention".
There's never been any question that I'm an IN, but the other two axes I've found inconsistent both upon self analysis and formal typing. Over the last week I've really enjoyed the podcasts and videos that cover differentiating among the four IP archetypes. It has been helpful to listen to a variety of presenters as well because they bring their own personality types, experience bases, and biases to their descriptions. I am now on the verge of finally being convinced that my recent INTP assessment is correct. I bring to the mix my bipolarism (hypomanic and mixed episodes), HSP (highly sensitive person), and multiple PTSD, all of which have added complications to figuring out the core disposition.
I feel certain that my mother's bullying and hyperjudgmental attitudes instigated certain coping mechanisms that blur typing lines as well. I don't fall prey to guilting, having an overdeveloped ability to see through manipulation, yet I can be heavily burdened by guilt when not feeling violated-so much so that I will often logic my way into feeling guilty when I have little or no fault. I also tended not to seek anybody else's feelings or opinion on things because I don't need clueless opinions thrown at me-my mother judges anything she does no't understand or finds uninteresting "stupid," which for an intellectual is just a trigger word, as well as the wrong word for what she really means. I could go on. My mother is not narcissistic, just self-centered and unwilling to acknowledge the dysfunction of her transgressions, prone to woe-is-me-the-victim when confronted with the metaphorical mirror. Just for fun, the cosmos brought her together with a man with severe PTSD and undiagnosed bipolar type 1 to blend up a wonderful cocktail of neurodivergent genes that in our society read as disorders, though mostly they really aren't. Epigenetics matter.
Okay, done blithering. I really just wanted to state my hoorays and thanks for great descriptions. I think your interactions from different perspectives helps you both be even more informative with your live elaborations and call-outs on one another.
*Thank You Both* for these interesting insights!! 😊
My I share another datum or anecdote in myself?
I am an INFP who is a multi-talented autodidact that has spent the last 40+ years in the tech industry as several different kinds of architects and engineers; at 58, I am moving into Systems Engineering & and Systems Architecture (a very global, holistic, people-involved form of engineering). YET I am also a writer, artist & musician, and I am a peer counselor & healer. My poetry is very evocative, my software reads like literature, my ordinary writing tends to be lyrical, and my scientific writing: clear yet whimsical. For me, "tech" is just a medium for my art, and my art is one of the ways I love to serve people!
I have "fluttered around" two main vocational candles: tech professional and spiritual worker (I once was a servant-missionary). In my younger years I felt these "candles" were "at odds," and I would be burnt-out by one or the other, but now I am "over myself" (my traumatized, fearful, overachiever egoic little-self) and I tend to see *everything* as interconnected. Even in my teens, I saw things as "systems of systems" all interconnected, and I blended this with my young mystical wont...
I seem to be a 60/40 mix of F and T.
...AND in all this, 20 years ago I realized I am a female person (occupying the blurry space between intersex & transsexual), and over this time I gradually, gently blurred through androgyny and into womanhood: after 20 years "shadow work" and gender transition, I have a healthy, whole, joyful female ego - I am self-actualized! AND NOW I am gently setting my ego aside as I move into spiritual non-duality. As much as "doing" has been part of my life, I am truly far more about *BEING!!!*
...And, if there is one "point" to it all, I suspect it is Love: learning to love others better, and learning to be loved.
Anyway, I am very much a set of paradoxes occupying many liminal spaces at once!
Love, Blessings & Joy!! 😊❤
Bretta
LMFAO :')
@@celticcook3950 Glad to brighten your day!! ;-)
You sound like a fascinating person! Fellow (sister?) INFP here. 💞
I actually mistypes as an INFP because of the dichotomies and that I demonstrated some "feeling" qualities. I didn't realize that I was actually expressing unhealthy Fe and very high amounts of Ti.
INTP Einstein discovered his greatest scientific theories working in a patent office. So an INTPs job can be in the Si-Fe sphere while working on the great Ti-Fe theories that often receive no pay.
What's the difference between a logical INFP and a empathic INTP?
Same question
Actually according to Beebe and Socionics the blindspot of both INFPs and INTPs is Se, or extroverted sensing.
I am clearly an INTP and tested in both my high school and college interpersonal communication classes as such, but the online test always flip to INFP. It gives me 51% F. I question the test there in general as the way the questions are phased ask me how I behave vs my gut reaction and a logical thing to do is to solve a problem based on which skill is needed vs what is natural.Someone that prefers harmony may need to be direct, a person that is introverted may find problems will get worse if they don't respond outgoing to situations, etc. That IMHO leads to mistyping.
I think I may have been mistyped as an INFP because I am a bit more caring than most stereotypical INTP but I've discovered I am an INTP. The reason I identify as an INTP more now is because I seek out what works best over what feels best for instance I decided to learn how to write a screenplay and the first thing I did was find the best story structure to work from. If I was a feeler I would just write from feeling and not care about the best way to do it. I even bought the INFP starter kit after doing multiple tests and being typed INFP! but after a few videos about the INTP, it is literally explaining my life. Communicating better with people is a major issue I've been working on for years. I search for experts in all areas and learn from them that is why I am here in fact. I wanted to learn what my personality is and go from there in order to fix myself. Unfortunately, I have been working from the assumption that I'm an INFP when this whole time I've been an INTP, frustrating. I hate and am terrible at maths though? I do like to speak the truth but I'm nowhere near as smart as Sheldon from the big bang theory?
Very good podcast. I'm an INFP who was starting to think I could possibly be an INTP. This information has helped clarify I am an INFP, unquestionably. I also listened to understand both types better.
I was between INFP/INTP And im more like INTP. My favorite line is that doesnt make any Sence. :D
"I like it when they beg" LMAO
I dont know what it is but I watched this video out of curiosity. It was really helpful and I went to look into the examples for each type. Unfortunately, I found out Tony Hsieh of Zappos has passed away very recently. He seemed like a great dude. Rest in Peace, Tony.
Hi Antonia. I don't doubt that you have rarely seen male INTPs that were mistyped as an INFPs. But I believe I am an example. My family was quite female dominated, at least demographically, as I had three sisters and lots of aunts and great aunts. I believe i was socialized to be more aware and sensitive to the feeling side of life. As I've gotten older I have come to see that in fact my default problem solving strategy does give primacy to critical thinking and analysis. What was very helpful for me was to read the descriptions of Enneagram 5 with a 4 wing. Perhaps a fair number of males specifically who are typed that way in the Enneagram system, might show up as INFP's. All i can say is subjectively, I felt much more comfortable with the idea that while I am an INTP by inclination, I definitely have a big chunk of me that spends time in Enneagram 4 (INFP?) territory. While I more often tested as an INFP, and occasionally as an INTP, I never could quite shake the feeling that I was pulling my punches a bit on some of the questions. I feel more at peace now.
Fi = belief. TI = Knowledge.
Fi = morals
TI does not necessary mean knowledge
so ive tested infp on the test several times, but on the explanations i relate to both equally, like infp sounds right but i feel way way more analytical and logical, but intp’s get labeled at uncomfortable showing emotions and such but thats not really hard for me i can feel really emotional sometimes to where it’s overwhelming, to the point where i tend not to say too much about how i feel about something too passionately only because im afraid of people feeling uncomfortable (only with closer relationships) and at the end of the day its often a battle between my heart and my brain equally arguing and my brain usually winning
any suggestions on what type i really am?:/ also i am extremely interested in most all types of art! and i am going to film school so if that helps. i was always good at science but i never was extremely into it only, until i got into physics and chemistry, but ultimately art always interested me most at the end of the day because i dont feel i could really make an actual impact in sciences since i got a late start at it and i tend to not be able to get anything done and especially on time and so i feel i could inspire the others through artistic expression since i can often feel heavily impacted from it
Don't fit into a box , this is a spectrum , remember you are not as simple as they want you to be
It's pretty common for infp to follow scientific career due to ti and dominant fi being on the same spectrum line as well as the inferior te. Other mbti youtuber explained it properly but i don't want to be a heckler here lol.
Probably one thing you can ask yourself: in social situations, are you more naturally inclined to perceive the group's emotion or the social mechanism behind it? (First one more infp while the later is intp -like)
I always wondered if I was actually an INFP since I tested out as a INTP-T female. But this confirmed I’m an INTP. Every time INTP was broken down, I agreed. Every time INFP was broken down, it made no sense to me why someone would think or I guess in the case of INFP FEEL that way. Why would someone ever go through life like that??
Also when you touched on INTPs feeling like others are stupid, I always argue that.
Everyone is different and the MBTI helps us to understand how each type processes the world. You might be thinking as an INTP why an INFP would base their decisions on feeling or why anyone would base their decisions on anything other than on logic and reasoning (since that's the most logical thing to do ofc hehe) but I believe we are put on earth for different reasons and so we process the world differently each for their own purpose.
I think INFP's get a bad rap for basing their judgement on feeling but it's not as 1-dimensional as it's made out to be. INFP's want to understand others and the world to make it a more harmonious place and so they ask a lot of questions pertaining to moral ethics. Many questions an INFP asks themselves they can intuitively know the answer to which others can see as the INFP basing their judgment on feeling without any backbone, but an INFP can dive deep into understanding how they came with their answer and others will find their findings all but a 1-dimensional feeling judgement.
I totally agree with Mark and I believe a lot of INFP repress their emotions as men so a lot of INFP testing as INTP but I've tested as INFJ. I'm INFP
Thank you so much your mbti videos are the most informative and concrete in youtube right know even with the numbers of content on MBTI. Thank you for sharing your knowledge for free for the ones who are not necessarily able to buy it.
Apropos of nothing, but I adore the idea of an "Attack INFJ" 😀
Oh wow the guy got to talk
INFPs who are in a Fi-Si loop are the most selfish of all the types.
Ok this isn't a smart patoot question, but what if I, as an INTP, actually have a correct conclusion that is not accepted because it is not the norm?
How many INTPs were castigated because they had a new insight but it went against the grain?
I don't know if the fellow who discovered that doctors needed to wash their hands to prevent maternal death after giving birth, but he was scorned and died a mockery even though he was CORRECT.
I think I am slightly bristling at the idea that our novel ideas are inherently wrong if a majority of people disagree.
Honestly sometimes people don't like logic or reason. Cognitive dissonance is real.
So how does an INTP know when they are actually in error vs when they are novel or piercing, but accurate?
INFP sounds like a very moralizing, preachy, and judgmental type... Not saying they are, but that's what type descriptions always make them sound like.
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Can´t speak for all infps but i usually have a live and let live attitude unless someone try to force something on me or if they talk like they "know" something that goes completely against my values, that´s gonna rub me the wrong way. I think most infps are like, yes i have very strong values but i don´t want to shove them down anyones throat, however we can be quite suspicious against "popular opinion" and things like that if it goes against our values and i understand if that can seem kind of judgmental or preachy.
@@draug7966 spot on reply. I'm an INFP, that resonates.
Why is there talk recording under your recording?
Me (INTP) and my dad (INFP)
the outro tho
Anarchistic! Hide in the basement!