I was lost in my golf swing trying everything like grip, shallowing, weight forward, just a mess but this has brought my swing back to basics, natural feel, and if setup correct all those things fall in place... thank you!
I have tried every grip known to man. I will never give up my strong baseball grip. My miss is left and it is always a result of getting lazy with body rotation. It rarely happens except on hot 36 hole days and could be attributed to alcohol consumption. Physical conditioning , flexibility and hydration definitely play an important role. The bowing of the left wrist at the top or at impact is an unnecessary manipulation. I really don't give the wrists any thought during my swing but when I examine it on video it looks flat and inline with the forearm. I have been hitting alot of balls lately and have discovered something in my swing which allows me to precisely control low point on every single shot. It is another gold nugget that I stumbled across . It has been throughly tested and now I own it. Come on spring time ! Thanks Shawn
This did it for me. I guess my hands were slowing each other down? Tremendous speed increase by finding the grip that works for me. I always had instructors force me into super strong grips. Fought a horrible hooks and double crosses. Shawn knows how to make things click for me. Best golf instruction on the internet.
Like you Mike, I've had more success with a strong, 10 finger grip but unlike you I haven't mastered my body rotation so I do have my share of mishits. Your success along with Shawn's video gives me life!! I don't wanna change grips again and have to start from scratch...
I have been experimenting with grip changes this year. I definitely benefit from a slightly stronger grip, probably about 11am on the dial when closed in a neutral position (the neutral position was what I was taught a long time ago). Consistency of ball striking has improved. They key is to remember that you are throwing the club into the picture as Shawn would say. The ball has really come our of the equation for me. Keep the videos up please Shawn as they are a constant help to me.
Bias aside; if you saw all my life’s work on our premium channel at www.wisdomingolfpremium.com and saw series like “pre-motor cortex” series and “the goldie locks series” and “consistency series” and “off season training series” and “unstoppable momentum series” and “kinetic chain” and “kinetic chain facilitation series” as the tip of the iceberg, there would be no doubt in your mind. Mic Drop…
excellent info Shawn, I wish I encountered someone like you for lessons in my younger years as i have always had a similar thought on grip but by trying to gravitate toward the swing theory I have lost my game and this is helping me to find it again, thank you sir.
Well Shawn another great lesson! You break things down so well for any type of golfer. Also just wanted to wish you, Sav and Mu and very merry boxing day and to thank you for all of this terrific content! Best - TP
PULL SHOTS NO; shots that start straight and HOOK LEFT or CURVE too much to the left with the confirmation that the swing’s release was well through the ball; then yes.
Shawn , I flew to Toronto 12 years ago for lessons with you in Nov (snow lol) I had open heart surgery 3 years ago and want to get started back, do you do online video lessons and analysis? Hope all is well my friend and look forward to learning from you again , I still have your signed dvd btw :) , thanks so much , Larry Cole
Hey Larry! Glad you are all ok! Yes, I have developed an awesome online learning program and you want to check out www.wisdomingolfpremium.com and pick what suits your learning style. See you soon! Shawn
Thanks alot, now I have a lot of things to re work, since I just recently got my bowed wrist to function well with my already strong grip 😅 that bowed wrist felt like a assurance that I wouldn’t shank the ball, ever
Mr.Clement, I’m starting to have pain on the bottom of my left thumb on the wrist. Do you know What I am doing wrong in my golf swing to cause this? Appreciate your input.
See “best video on grip ever shawn clement” and “5 ways to guarantee a good lead hand grip shawn clement” as well as “stop destroying your golf glove shawn clement” to get the proper acid tests first; then see “fencing for power shawn clement” to test the release. Our premium channel at www.wisdomingolfpremium.com has the grip and release videos in detail for you to allow your anatomy to yield properly and self preserve your body!
Do you recommend closing the face the same amount for all clubs, or do you close more for higher loft than lower loft? In my swing I find if I close my driver the same amount I close my 7 Iron, I get a severe hook with the driver while the 7 iron is fairly straight.
This is very common! Use Goldie Locks! See “perfect contact and direction shawn clement” Some need to close kore and some need to close less with woods and driver.
In your example with a neutral grip and open club face at impact, can't you square the clubface by rotating your chest more towards the target and to the left?
Our conscious minds are not even close to be good enough to figure out jow much rotation; see all our “throwing the club shawn clement” to get the real gist!
From iron to wood it can easily yes; but everyone is different because clubs are different; some are draw biased and some are not. If you draw irons and slice woods; close the face more on the woods! Can easily be the opposite too.
This is very important and not talked about enough. Grip is super important. People assume a strong grip means you are gonna draw the ball but majority of tour pros are with this grip hit a fade (Zach is the only that doesn’t really). I like to imagine the grip and the hips/ shoulders have a better correlation. The rate your hips and shoulder open and end up at impact should dictate which grip you use. A strong grip you should be open up more at impact. Neutral grip should be open hips square shoulders. And weak grip body more square to close. Also for each grip ball position should altered. With a strong grip being more forward and a weak grip more back.
You definitely have the right idea and understanding of things! What you want to add to this is what combination you need to collect the ball from where it lies and release it into the flight plan towards the target. We cannot all be made of rubber like Joakim Niemann or Charlie Woods, but we all have a certain potential for target bound deliveries. what we don’t want is to make the ball the target and practice unloading at the ball!
I'm 69 years old, R-handed, my wrists are tiny, I play golf regularly on Vancouver Island. This year back of my trailing wrist started to hurt. What type of grip and swing would be the easiest for my trailing wrist?
60-40 in favour of the lead side; don’t be fooled by this as it’s just a millisecond in time as if you were already in your forward swing and on your way back into the backswing…must not feel static and stuck at address! See “how to start the swing shawn clement” and on our premium channel we have a sublime video called “starting the swing smoothly to slow things down”
Hi Shawn, I hear so much of about a flat left wrist. With the strong grip it doesn’t look flat, just cocked on the sniff box. Is that correct? Also, you never mention a down cock of the wrist. Is that a natural movement in your swing? Thanks for the great videos. Greg
The wrists set themselves on the anatomical snuff boxes when you do all kinds of activities like hammering nails, fishing casts, tennis serves etc…see an oldie but goodie called “grip and wrist hinge shawn clement” and then another oldie but goodie called “loaded arms shawn clement”
So whenever I would hit my drivers good, I would hit my irons terrible and vice versa. Today I realized I have to use different grips for iron and for driver. For irons if I keep my wrist straight(so the backside of my hand is facing towards my aim I would bow my wrist and it would be more accurate and stronger. For my driver I would twist my wrist right slightly so my backhand is at a 45 angle above my iron grip and wrist would hinge. This would make my driver more accurate and less slice or hooks plus I'd be able to hit it hard. If I use my iron grip and try it, it would always fade. Is this fine to have different grips and wrist techniques for driver and iron? Tbh I felt like I learned how to fade with that grip now.
Yes! they are different designs and you are on the right track; some will need to close the face more or make the grip stronger with the driver, and some won’t.
Curious about a stat I gathered from your last swing. Was your path 10.5* in to out and face 8.5* open(2* closed relative to path)? My path is generally 6-8* in to out and thought that may be extreme.
On the premium channel, we have a video series called “blur of club” and the “arc blur unstoppable momentum series and you want to combine this with the “alignment reload” video. The human machine has a very particular way to use the eyes which are Binocular or face on; when you look from the side at your target, and try to send a ball that way, you get tricked every time; understanding how they work and how you need to use the blur of club with an intermediate point is PARAMOUNT for solid contact as it makes the ball a precise intersection on the way to the target! www.wisdomingolfpremium.com
Hi Shawn. I’m fighting a strong underneath trail hand that I can’t find a comfortable home where the life line on my trail hand covers a neutral left thumb that is not turned too far onto the right side of 12:00 o’clock on the top of the grip.
See “most important video on grip ever Shawn Clement” which will show you how to match the lead hand to your trail hand! I am willing to bet your trail hand is almost perfect! 😝👍
Shawn, thank you for the lesson. Are you saying that attempting to change wrist shape at top is not something worth pursuing? Also, is it grip style driving wrist shape at top, or wrist shape at top driving optimal grip style? Thank you sir.
hey Joseph! Great question! It definitely starts with the grip and what has and is being taught. If the grip is too neutral, it starts to affect the way the hands and body move to attempt to square the club to not lose the shot to the right and many fail and get very frustrated with having to fight path and release the lag early to try and get the club to square up. Better to be too strong like last year’s Charlie Woods and work on delivering deeper to the target and once we are there, we can weaken until we can stay comfortably with our action to target without feeling the need to hold it off. Holding the club off creates better golf swings by far!
Is he stating you should adjust the club face as part of your set up depending on your grip and not as part of your golf swing? So in essence you could have a very closed club face at the time of set up as part of your natural swing....or did I miss the point completely?
@@Zooooman @nantucket3768 Check out Mike Adams and his grip test (which is really an arm/elbow test). He uses this test and shows your grip relates to how your elbows swing. Around 40% of people are strong (what he calls 'side under') 40% weak (what he calls 'on top') and 20% neutral (what he calls 'side on').
One issue just turning face close would be different club length, loft, attach angle issue. Say 7iron u turn it 35 degrees, 8 iron u need 30 degrees and 9 iron u need 25degrees. Correct? Same logic as someone who slices will slice less as each club they go up. If u turn every clubs 35degrees as your 7 iron, ur wedges would just end up be a nasty hook to the left. And all your clubs would have gapping issue. A 35degree closed face on 7iron is -6 degree. 35degree closed face on GW is only -4 degree
The more loft you have, the more backspin you get and LESS sidespin. It is the opposite…this is why your case is very strange. It can be that your eyes are seeing the wedges differently when you close the face. Do the Goldilocks drill with them. See what happens when you open the face too much, then find the in between what you have now and the flop shot.
I was lost in my golf swing trying everything like grip, shallowing, weight forward, just a mess but this has brought my swing back to basics, natural feel, and if setup correct all those things fall in place... thank you!
Yeah man! 👍💪😀
I have tried every grip known to man. I will never give up my strong baseball grip. My miss is left and it is always a result of getting lazy with body rotation. It rarely happens except on hot 36 hole days and could be attributed to alcohol consumption. Physical conditioning , flexibility and hydration definitely play an important role. The bowing of the left wrist at the top or at impact is an unnecessary manipulation. I really don't give the wrists any thought during my swing but when I examine it on video it looks flat and inline with the forearm. I have been hitting alot of balls lately and have discovered something in my swing which allows me to precisely control low point on every single shot. It is another gold nugget that I stumbled across . It has been throughly tested and now I own it. Come on spring time !
Thanks Shawn
Good stuff Mike! Keep up the great work!
This did it for me. I guess my hands were slowing each other down? Tremendous speed increase by finding the grip that works for me. I always had instructors force me into super strong grips. Fought a horrible hooks and double crosses. Shawn knows how to make things click for me. Best golf instruction on the internet.
Like you Mike, I've had more success with a strong, 10 finger grip but unlike you I haven't mastered my body rotation so I do have my share of mishits. Your success along with Shawn's video gives me life!! I don't wanna change grips again and have to start from scratch...
I have been experimenting with grip changes this year. I definitely benefit from a slightly stronger grip, probably about 11am on the dial when closed in a neutral position (the neutral position was what I was taught a long time ago). Consistency of ball striking has improved. They key is to remember that you are throwing the club into the picture as Shawn would say. The ball has really come our of the equation for me. Keep the videos up please Shawn as they are a constant help to me.
Right on Simon! Sounds like you made the right adjustments!
Awesome job Shawn with this video.
Thanks Ricky! that feels so great coming from one of the top teachers in the USA! 👍😀👌💪
This channel is the best golf instruction on the internet. But is it the best golf instruction of all time?
Bias aside; if you saw all my life’s work on our premium channel at www.wisdomingolfpremium.com and saw series like “pre-motor cortex” series and “the goldie locks series” and “consistency series” and “off season training series” and “unstoppable momentum series” and “kinetic chain” and “kinetic chain facilitation series” as the tip of the iceberg, there would be no doubt in your mind. Mic Drop…
Shawn should be in the teaching hall of fame! That’s no joke.
excellent info Shawn, I wish I encountered someone like you for lessons in my younger years as i have always had a similar thought on grip but by trying to gravitate toward the swing theory I have lost my game and this is helping me to find it again, thank you sir.
Right on Joe! Glad I was able to help clear things up! 😀👍
Well Shawn another great lesson! You break things down so well for any type of golfer. Also just wanted to wish you, Sav and Mu and very merry boxing day and to thank you for all of this terrific content! Best - TP
Thanks Tom! All the best to you as well!
Great explanation!
Matchups👍 explained well Shawn
Thank you Jeff! Our homework runs deep! 😀👍
Great video Shawn
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent, Sir! Much appreciated 🙏
Does this imply you should have a strong grip for your woods......than you for all your great videos..
So the opposite of this themed lesson is to simply reverse or weaken one’s trail hand if plagued by pull hooks? Thx Pro!
PULL SHOTS NO; shots that start straight and HOOK LEFT or CURVE too much to the left with the confirmation that the swing’s release was well through the ball; then yes.
Shawn , I flew to Toronto 12 years ago for lessons with you in Nov (snow lol) I had open heart surgery 3 years ago and want to get started back, do you do online video lessons and analysis? Hope all is well my friend and look forward to learning from you again , I still have your signed dvd btw :) , thanks so much , Larry Cole
Hey Larry! Glad you are all ok! Yes, I have developed an awesome online learning program and you want to check out www.wisdomingolfpremium.com and pick what suits your learning style. See you soon! Shawn
Thanks alot, now I have a lot of things to re work, since I just recently got my bowed wrist to function well with my already strong grip 😅 that bowed wrist felt like a assurance that I wouldn’t shank the ball, ever
Great realization! you are on the right track!!
Mr.Clement, I’m starting to have pain on the bottom of my left thumb on the wrist. Do you know What I am doing wrong in my golf swing to cause this?
Appreciate your input.
See “best video on grip ever shawn clement” and “5 ways to guarantee a good lead hand grip shawn clement” as well as “stop destroying your golf glove shawn clement” to get the proper acid tests first; then see “fencing for power shawn clement” to test the release. Our premium channel at www.wisdomingolfpremium.com has the grip and release videos in detail for you to allow your anatomy to yield properly and self preserve your body!
Do you recommend closing the face the same amount for all clubs, or do you close more for higher loft than lower loft? In my swing I find if I close my driver the same amount I close my 7 Iron, I get a severe hook with the driver while the 7 iron is fairly straight.
This is very common! Use Goldie Locks! See “perfect contact and direction shawn clement” Some need to close kore and some need to close less with woods and driver.
In your example with a neutral grip and open club face at impact, can't you square the clubface by rotating your chest more towards the target and to the left?
Our conscious minds are not even close to be good enough to figure out jow much rotation; see all our “throwing the club shawn clement” to get the real gist!
Does the grip club relationship change depending on ball position, say driver out in front vs a pitching wedge in the middle.
From iron to wood it can easily yes; but everyone is different because clubs are different; some are draw biased and some are not. If you draw irons and slice woods; close the face more on the woods! Can easily be the opposite too.
This is very important and not talked about enough. Grip is super important. People assume a strong grip means you are gonna draw the ball but majority of tour pros are with this grip hit a fade (Zach is the only that doesn’t really). I like to imagine the grip and the hips/ shoulders have a better correlation. The rate your hips and shoulder open and end up at impact should dictate which grip you use. A strong grip you should be open up more at impact. Neutral grip should be open hips square shoulders. And weak grip body more square to close. Also for each grip ball position should altered. With a strong grip being more forward and a weak grip more back.
You definitely have the right idea and understanding of things! What you want to add to this is what combination you need to collect the ball from where it lies and release it into the flight plan towards the target. We cannot all be made of rubber like Joakim Niemann or Charlie Woods, but we all have a certain potential for target bound deliveries. what we don’t want is to make the ball the target and practice unloading at the ball!
I'm 69 years old, R-handed, my wrists are tiny, I play golf regularly on Vancouver Island. This year back of my trailing wrist started to hurt. What type of grip and swing would be the easiest for my trailing wrist?
Hi Alex! Just like Savy or Zack Johnson! Please see “most important video on grip ever shawn clement”
What is your weight distribution at setup on irons and driver ?
60-40 in favour of the lead side; don’t be fooled by this as it’s just a millisecond in time as if you were already in your forward swing and on your way back into the backswing…must not feel static and stuck at address! See “how to start the swing shawn clement” and on our premium channel we have a sublime video called “starting the swing smoothly to slow things down”
Hi Shawn, I hear so much of about a flat left wrist. With the strong grip it doesn’t look flat, just cocked on the sniff box. Is that correct? Also, you never mention a down cock of the wrist. Is that a natural movement in your swing? Thanks for the great videos. Greg
The wrists set themselves on the anatomical snuff boxes when you do all kinds of activities like hammering nails, fishing casts, tennis serves etc…see an oldie but goodie called “grip and wrist hinge shawn clement” and then another oldie but goodie called “loaded arms shawn clement”
So whenever I would hit my drivers good, I would hit my irons terrible and vice versa. Today I realized I have to use different grips for iron and for driver. For irons if I keep my wrist straight(so the backside of my hand is facing towards my aim I would bow my wrist and it would be more accurate and stronger. For my driver I would twist my wrist right slightly so my backhand is at a 45 angle above my iron grip and wrist would hinge. This would make my driver more accurate and less slice or hooks plus I'd be able to hit it hard. If I use my iron grip and try it, it would always fade. Is this fine to have different grips and wrist techniques for driver and iron? Tbh I felt like I learned how to fade with that grip now.
Yes! they are different designs and you are on the right track; some will need to close the face more or make the grip stronger with the driver, and some won’t.
Curious about a stat I gathered from your last swing. Was your path 10.5* in to out and face 8.5* open(2* closed relative to path)? My path is generally 6-8* in to out and thought that may be extreme.
6 to 8 in to out is very sound!
hi,
more i close the straighter it goes but all iron shots are on the toe of the club. Not so much with the driver or fairway woods :(
On the premium channel, we have a video series called “blur of club” and the “arc blur unstoppable momentum series and you want to combine this with the “alignment reload” video. The human machine has a very particular way to use the eyes which are Binocular or face on; when you look from the side at your target, and try to send a ball that way, you get tricked every time; understanding how they work and how you need to use the blur of club with an intermediate point is PARAMOUNT for solid contact as it makes the ball a precise intersection on the way to the target!
www.wisdomingolfpremium.com
Hi Shawn. I’m fighting a strong underneath trail hand that I can’t find a comfortable home where the life line on my trail hand covers a neutral left thumb that is not turned too far onto the right side of 12:00 o’clock on the top of the grip.
See “most important video on grip ever Shawn Clement” which will show you how to match the lead hand to your trail hand! I am willing to bet your trail hand is almost perfect! 😝👍
Shawn, thank you for the lesson. Are you saying that attempting to change wrist shape at top is not something worth pursuing? Also, is it grip style driving wrist shape at top, or wrist shape at top driving optimal grip style? Thank you sir.
hey Joseph! Great question! It definitely starts with the grip and what has and is being taught. If the grip is too neutral, it starts to affect the way the hands and body move to attempt to square the club to not lose the shot to the right and many fail and get very frustrated with having to fight path and release the lag early to try and get the club to square up. Better to be too strong like last year’s Charlie Woods and work on delivering deeper to the target and once we are there, we can weaken until we can stay comfortably with our action to target without feeling the need to hold it off. Holding the club off creates better golf swings by far!
@@golflessons Thanks you sir for this, and all your wisdom! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours!
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Is he stating you should adjust the club face as part of your set up depending on your grip and not as part of your golf swing? So in essence you could have a very closed club face at the time of set up as part of your natural swing....or did I miss the point completely?
Correct! STATIC CLUB FACE IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN DYNAMIC CLUB FACE HEADED OUT TO THE TARGET! See “through the ball vs at the ball shawn clement”
@@golflessons I did this today - FANTASTIC RESULTS. Excellent advice.
why do some people naturally hit better with a stronger or more neutral grip, what is different about their swings that make each work for them?
Whoa! Definitely do not have the time to write that one out! 😅😅
@@golflessons vid idea :)
@@golflessons I've been wondering the same thing
@@Zooooman @nantucket3768 Check out Mike Adams and his grip test (which is really an arm/elbow test). He uses this test and shows your grip relates to how your elbows swing. Around 40% of people are strong (what he calls 'side under') 40% weak (what he calls 'on top') and 20% neutral (what he calls 'side on').
One issue just turning face close would be different club length, loft, attach angle issue. Say 7iron u turn it 35 degrees, 8 iron u need 30 degrees and 9 iron u need 25degrees. Correct? Same logic as someone who slices will slice less as each club they go up. If u turn every clubs 35degrees as your 7 iron, ur wedges would just end up be a nasty hook to the left. And all your clubs would have gapping issue. A 35degree closed face on 7iron is -6 degree. 35degree closed face on GW is only -4 degree
The more loft you have, the more backspin you get and LESS sidespin. It is the opposite…this is why your case is very strange. It can be that your eyes are seeing the wedges differently when you close the face. Do the Goldilocks drill with them. See what happens when you open the face too much, then find the in between what you have now and the flop shot.
If you had a robot with a perfect swing, should it use a neutral, weak, or strong grip?
Strong!
@@golflessons Cool thanks!