2020 KTM Power Valve Puncture! | Trail Hack and Shop Fix! KTM needs to fix this!
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Here we have the 2020 KTM power valve puncture. It is only a matter of time before it happens to you, even if you are running radiator guards. I’ve heard from users that have Emperor Racing guard, bullet proof designs guards, trail tech guards, Unibiker guards, and Flo Motorsports guards. It can still happen. It’s a result of KTM lowering the radiators and rotating the cylinder forward on the 2019 and newer bikes.
Here is how we fixed the issue on the trail, and how I have taken steps to prevent it from happening again to me.
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These are part numbers from the 2019 bikes and work to replace the thermostat on the 2020 and newer TPI bikes. I simply use the OEM parts finder on the Rocky Mountain ATV website and look under the 2019 KTM bike.
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It looks like you can just double up the hose by cutting an old radiator hose and wrap it around the vulnerable section.
Hopping on my 2020 Husky TE300 two weeks ago and I’ve seen this bust through on two other guys bikes last 3 months...nice repair here thanks.
Great video. Love that you got it documented. You’re the man
This just happened to my 2018 300 xcw except it broke at the nipple. The 2017-2018 XCW models have the thermostat, but the xc and sx models do not. So this can happen even without the new radiator location. I went with the Tusk hose kit off RMC. This is why I tune into the Dirt Bike Channel. Thanks Kyle
I put the thermostat-less Samco hoses on a while ago and just used the oem hoses to double up the problem area. Thanks for the tip!
Definitely a design flaw ! Thanks for sharing what happens and different solutions
Cheers mate. I've the little tips and tricks with the bikes. 👍👍 Really helpful and great descriptions!
I’ll be checking the TE250 2020 for this issue .Thanks for the heads up
I got my first pinch yesterday on my 22 xc-w. Low speed left side lay down. 2 hours on the bike.
I've had it happen to my 2020 twice now in 50 hrs. Good idea to protect it.
Impressive field repair!
It just happened to me this afternoon, I’ll eliminate the thermostat , thanks for the video , help tons !!!
Had the same problem on my 2020 KTM 250 SX. I think for you guys on the trails it sucks even more then for me as a motocross rider...
But thank you for the quick fix. Like that you can at least finish the raceday
Dude, great info! Thanks!
This happened to me after 7 hrs on a new 2022 GasGas EX300. So pissed. Thank you for this video.
thanks for this and all the videos, you are the best
Thanks for always sharing your knowledge! I use your links!
Awesome, thank you!
Thats a good tip thanks. I think KTM's current seat mount is a huge problem and design flaw.
I kept the original design and replaced just the 3" of hose by cutting the pressed clamp. Hose came right off and I used 3/4" hose and two clamps to repair. I like keeping the thermostat and if it wasn't needed, they would have run straight hoses.
That hose guard that Tyler was running sure looks sweet!
I bought that hose protector for my ne 2021 XC 250. Awesome
Still waiting for my 2021. Nice to know though. I'll add it to my growing list of stuff to get and to my prep/setup list. Thanks for the info!
Yep. This is my weekend project. I had the same problem with my 19.
silicone tape looks like a handy addition to my backpack , cheers
Indeed!!
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Thanks for bringing this up to those that were not aware.
Where those temp tests done with the bikes idling and sitting still? or riding at speed down the trail? Moving fast at riding speed and cooler outdoor temps would give a more true picture of the consequences of a thermostat delete, so just curious. And I suspect a TPI bike is going to fuel quite a bit different throughout the temp range compared to a carbed bike. Anything to be worried about? Maybe not, something to consider.
Just had same problem, so I bought samco hose kit. Wish me luck lol
Seems like the elbow coming out of the radiator needs to be turned up slightly to allow for more movement.
Get someone like Mylers radiator to modify the outlet fitting to turn up and use a preformed 90° hose. When did ktm install thermostats on 2 strokes? Just for the TPI models?
Great video. On the 150 ktm does it look like the 250sx hose that connects between the rads will fit the 150? The 2 hoses you mention are slightly different for the 150 I believe. The cross over hose is just straight where the 250 sx hose has a bend to go around the cylinder. My question is can I use the 250sx hose as its is 40$ cheaper than the 150 sx cross over hose. Thanks Brian
Same thing happened to my 19 xc 300. Solo ride 20 miles out. Was able to reposition my clamp and use water from my pack to get back.
Had this happen before my bike came out of warranty been waiting on parts for a month be aware the oem hoses and thermostat housing cost 140-160 bucks.
I patched mine together with flex seal tape and a hose clamp hasn't leaked while I wait for the dealer to get parts
Well damn. I just went through this, got a dnf at an enduro. When I took the hose off to replace I found the aluminum tube was almost smashed closed. I thought maybe that is what cut the hose.
50+ hours on my 20 300xcw singletrack and extreme riding and still haven’t had this issue. More tip overs than I can count. Enduro engineering rad braces and keep an eye on the area for rubbing. Expecting it to happen but nothing yet.
This happened on my 18 te250. My radiators were bent but it still can happen on the earlier models.
Had this happend and my trail fix was to loosen the clamp on both coolers and slide hoses and termostat as far left as possible to make the hole in the hose end up on the left coolerpipe under the clamp.
great tip kyle to remove thermostat its only there to warm engine faster and improve emissions was thinking of doing the same great hack on the trail also 👍🇬🇧
Aint the thermostat tells u if engines getting to hot? Confused here fella
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In cold weather the engine temp may be up to 20° cooler and may affect TPI function to some extent. I did say "may", and it could be very little. Riding trails the engine will be warmer anyway so probably not an issue. Lots of people remove the thermostats as standard procedure.
Yamaha YZ ‘s come with reinforcement around the exposed hose stock! Quality! 😜
Looks like nothing has changed with the orange machines.
Good from new for a year if that.
I think it’s better only use the hose guard because 1 -Tpi engine need a constant temp for fast close loop cicle in the ecu, 2 constant temp is good for your cilinder less wear and in the winter bike run better .
Just checked my 2020 that has yet to be dropped and the radiator hose is already being pushed on by the power-valve cover (and screw). It's insane that there is already this much contact on an important hose straight from the factory.
How do you like the freedom shoes?
Sorry if this has been mentioned in the comments, but would you need a fan kit if you delete the thermostat?
A quick question if I live in Australia and still internal competition to win your bike do I get delivered To me in Australia
It would be in colder weather that you would notice if deleting the thermostat prevents the bike from getting up to the optimum temp for performance and minimizing wear.
Hey Kyle, I ran into the good'ol radiator hose hole on the power valve cover side today and I was wondering if I could get away with a 3/4" heater hose fix for now until my replacement hoses show up? I'm rocking a 2023 300xc-w with 2 hours unfortunately
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
It seems by lowering the radiators to improve the steering lock, KTM have caused a much bigger issue, that could leave a rider stranded in the middle of nowhere. I remember you measuring the steering locks of KTM's and Beta's and your comments on the poor steering lock the Beta's have especially the RR200. I have a 2020 RR300 and there is no way this radiator issue could happen, the whole setup is so different.
On my list to protect my MY2021 300 TPI
My 2020 KTM 300 XCW has Bulletproof Designs radiator braces, and the radiators are pushed back flush against the power valves on both sides. So yes, my bike has this problem. I need to order the guards shown above but they are "currently unavailable".
Those hose parts do not seem to show up on Rockymountain now. Did they get discontinued?
whats the part number of the thermostat please? I am looking to just replace my thermostat rather than remove it as I just use my bike on the road. thanks
is the 2020 really that much better then my 16? Worth having a payment
I just had this happen last weekend!!!
I bought drove down and bought the Samco kit from RMATV yesterday but i like the delete idea. Do you know if i lose my functionality of my KTM integrated fan deleting the thermostat? I have a 2020 xcw and 2020 TE300i, I don’t have the digital one like you it’s just plug and play and it goes off the internal computer.
Ever figure out if this will work? I've got the same situation. 2020 300xcw. Would like to do the delete but have the KTM integrated fan kit. Let me know if you ever tried or tested this.
Cold winter, fuel injection will not like no thermo, it will enrichen fueling
I was curious about those kits. I have a 20 xcw and didnt wanna remove the thermostat. Only samco kit available took it out.
5:15 If you go to Amazon to buy the hose guard and it is sold out, the manufacturer is Epha here is a link to their site www.epha.com/hose-protectors/
They don’t sell direct, so a site that carries their product is theelectricaldepot.com/epha-hose-protectors/epha-hose-protectors/epha-hp4o-hose-protectors-4-orange-0-25-to-1-00-od - they are $2.62 each and available in orange and black.
Where did you measure the temperature when you compared thermostat and non-thermostat. If on the radiator then it does not give true picture. Thermostat is supposed to keep coolant circulating in engine without entering radiator until engine is fully warmed up so actually the radiators should stay cooler for longer time. It most likely makes no difference when its warm outside and speeds are low as engine warms up quickly and it opens quickly. Difference comes when riding in cold weather and/or high speeds when cooling effect of radiators might be so good that engine never reaches optimum temperature.
That makes sense, thanks for the info. I ride year round and KTM obviously thinks it's important so I'll keep it in.
@Dirt Bike Channel why are you using standard reach plug (BR7ES) on your bike as shown in this video?
Isn't it wrong one like you said earlier?
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@DirtBikeChannel in your past video, you said it's not working well with that spark plug, and now you're using it, something changed?
I just had this happen to me. I was on my way back to the truck and just tipped the bike over cause a little sapling went between the handle bars and my bark busters
pretty sad when you pay that much money for a bike that you have to jimmy rig the cooling system to hold fluid
Or stop riding through the nastiest trail sections so damn fast when 3 mph is safe but hot shoes have to hit it at 30.
Their kinda junk. I have a 2017 Husky TE300 and it’s the biggest POS I’ve owned. Or the only POS I’ve owned because it’s the first Euro bike I’ve owned. All the other have been Japanese and their built a lot better.
@@F4izzle and alot less money
@@carlatamanczyk3891 The lightest fall over can cause this issue. My bike with ~5 hours on it tipped over in the soft Michigan sand while I was barely going. Boom - punctured hose.
It's a bad design.
@@JoshuaStevensMaps I agree.
2021 ktm xcw just punctured mine this past weekend. Had to loosen radiator cap and fill up with water to make it back in from a dual sport ride. KTM needs to fix this. Looks like there was no change on the 2022 for this.😡
do KTM 250/300 2020 VS 2021 pls
I wouldn’t recommend deleting the thermostat. It’s purpose is not to make the engine warm up faster, it needs to stop the water flowing so it can spend enough time in the radiator to cool. In a hot climate you will be ok until everything heat soaks then you will over heat.
He man please do a steep hill climb video
had a guy with 150 miles on a 2020 at a race happen but the nipple broke, not just the hose.....
All KTM has to do is add some part numbers for a H/T silicone guard and fasteners.
You need the thermostat for winter riding so your bike gets up to temperature. My 150 sx has no thermostat so KTM gives you 2 plastic radiator block off plates, which one you use depending on outside air temperature
We have tested it in the winter and found that it doesn't make much diff. That test I showed was below freezing weather.
Nope, i ride an XC, never had a thermostat. Runs just fine in the winter. I live in NJ as well, gets cold.
www.2strokeheads.com/index.php/site-map/articles/80-technical/81-what-causes-a-2-stroke-engine-to-cold-seize
jerseyboyfirepoi , yeah, obviously you don’t rip off on a cold ass bike, even a 4 stroke.
jerseyboyfirepoi , where you riding at? Atco area or Brendon T Bryne?
Is this happening on the carb xc line so far it looks like it's only on the fuel injected models ?
all 2019 and 2020 2 strokes have the lowered radiators, that is the cause of this problem
Ok but so far I'm only seeing this on the tpi models ?
Man it happened to me first ride on my new ktm
Maybe I missed it. Will this modification work on the 300 XC-W as well?
This is a 300 XC-W :). Yes, it will work.
@@DirtBikeChannel I thought it was but the parts only come up on a OEM lookup for the 2019 300 cc and 2019 Tx300. Got them ordered for my 2021 (whenever it shows up). Thanks Kyle.
Some hydraulic hose spiral wrap would be perfect for this.
What can I do to win
Looking forward to the video on how you do a trail side repair on a "cold seized" engine the first truly nippy day you go out and run it hard without a thermostat
How about steel braided hose?
I was thinking the same thing.
@@woodworm3615 I'm not an expert but I guess it could / should work. :)
Thermostat need for a cold days,bike run mutch better .exept if you live in Desert
I say get rid of the water cooling and radiators. Circulate transmission oil around the head and cylinder - that engine has a lot of cooling surface.
You should always run a thermostat. An engine can actually overheat without one. You are not giving the fluid in the radiator time to cool down before re-entering the engine. Now if the radiator is excessively overrated for the application you may get away with it but in that scenario the engine never really heats up either. On a smoking hot day when running that bike hard it may overheat. Keep an eye out for that. Additionally heat in the engine keep tolerances where needed and also keeps the combustion chamber free of carbon and gunk. You may foul plugs more quickly? Lastly I am uncertain how the modern dirt bike is set up with fuel injection but most fuel injected vehicles have two programs. Open and Closed Loop. When cold the PCM runs one program for cold start etc. Then once the engine reaches operating temperature it runs another. You could be delaying, or even perhaps never achieving closed loop and the PCM will just assume the engine is cold, keep the fuel mixture fat, etc.
hmm , another reason to get the 4 stroke! :)
wouldn't mind winning one of those KTMs. Would be nice to ride a trail and not get beaten up and tossed around on my 2020 yz250fx.
Some people would call that a bodge job id call it a good job lol
Its ready to race not ready to crash
LoudOrNothing it’s a typo on their website. They did actually intend on writing ready to trash and cash 😆
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I had it a month ago
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International prizes aren't something that I can do right now. Too many restrictions to get it over the border :(
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Dirt Bike Channel would international prizes be possible if the winner organizes the shipment/delivery? As in you drop of the prize somewhere in the US and the winner makes a plan on how to get it shipped/across the border.
@@lenny3394 unfortunately not. Too many laws.
If I had just spent 11 grand on a new bike, I'd be so ticked about stupid little issues like this stopping me on the trail or in the middle of a race... if its been a problem since 2019, ktm should have a permanent fix by now before they take your $11,000 and tell you your on your own after 30 days.
Only do this if the bike is always run in warm climates. Otherwise it will not get to operating temperature and will seize!
Love the folks who say it's the end of the world with no thermostat....apparently forgot bikes came without thermostats forever.... It comes down to a slight change in emissions. That's it.
Yea yea...”same bikes”....so a trip w 3 unstable bikes around is better ?
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It's a type of plastic!
I just did it after 3 hours of use 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Seems like a design flaw
yep
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If I did win Cold you change the thermostat
Leave the cap loose and you will have 0 pressure.
Adam Batchelder and soon your bike will overheat...
Or cold seize lol
I have ridden 50 miles with the cap loose to keep coolent in a leaking system. The ideal is to keep coolent in the system and prevent a heat related failure. If you have a leek and alow the system to build pressure you will loose coolent faster.
Wow that sounds just crazy enough to work! Thanks for the tip. I can imagine where a weak patch may keep coolant in with low pressure but burst if it gets too hot.
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Samcosport hoses. Best hose kit made, hands down. Don't waste money rebuying the garbage oem hose. Problem solved.
I've had viewers tell me this happened even with Samco Sport hoses.
I'll still have to respectfully disagree.
This is what pisses me off about KTM...if it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it. They’re always screwing with shit. I know they want to be cutting edge, but wtf.
The root cause.....don’t crash!😳