A very nice episode. I always look forward to your videos. The red belts are a great contrast in color to the rest of the interior and do the car a great service stylistically. Mentioning in your video that the cherry on top will be you torquing down the bolts is an important detail to highlight. I read the other comments and the fellow who brought up the 6-point harness, helmet and HANS device issue made a really interesting point. Conservation of momentum and all that. In any event, great episode and I look forward to the next one.
Thanks for the comment and don’t worry, I have a detailed Excel spreadsheet which itemises every fastener on the car which needs final torquing/securing. It is a process I always go through in my builds since items do come off multiple times. Glad you enjoy the content and also read some of the other comments. I don’t confess to know everything, even though that is what I tell the wife, but I like to do research to understand the physics behind some of the logic left on the Chanel. Cheers Nigel and Rufus
Really like those mirrors. I've found wider harnesses to be more comfortable, so I'm glad the factory are offering them and red really works for your car, it's coming together very nicely. Have a great weekend Nigel.
Thanks Ian, it's amazing how the smallest item can lift a car significantly. Preparing for the chassis lift this morning, fingers crossed all goes to plan. Cheers Nigel and Rufus
word of warning on using harnesses for road use. They don't allow any slack like inertia belts do, Meaning without a helmet and hand device, your head can continue traveling forward in a crash while your body remains in place. This can, and has, led to internal decapitations for some unfortunate drivers. Having both harnesses for track use, and an inertia seat belt for road use is probably the wiser choice.
Thanks for the comment, similar to another I received a couple of days ago. Full harnesses have been fitted to road cars in the UK for decades and are approved by VOSA for road use. So even if some unfortunate drivers have suffered such injuries I would suggest in such an accident wearing a three point seat belt would have had the same outcome but maybe a different injury. If I look at all the mainstream seat belt / harness manufacturer websites they all say harnesses are for road use and comply with all safety requirements. I know the British Army use them on most of their vehicles also, as do seats for disabled children. Also many road cars fitted with full harnesses often have a laid back driving position, zero airbags, roll bars, and deep bucket seats. So yes, the shoulder straps have a few millimetres less travel (the lap straps don't since they often have explosive tensioners), but as a whole the environment for the driver and passenger is probably overall safer compared to a three point alone. I'm no expert so could be totally wrong and don't mind admitting as much, but if I am wrong I guess dozens of car manufacturers, VOSA, and the British Army must be also wrong. Thanks for watching and sending over the comment which has definitely stimulated some discussion. Cheers Nigel
You can’t beat harnesses for making you feel part of the car. One of the best things I did to my Exige. I’m lucky in that I’ve also got the advantage of being able to still use the standard seat belts if I feel like it (mainly on boring motorway journeys)
Good to have both options, and as you say a full harness definitely makes you at one with the car. Only downside is at junctions you cannot lean forward as you can with inertia reel three points. But I have managed in many cars over thousands of miles welded to the seat with harnesses.
@@v8creative Yeah, I agree. It’s only at junctions that the harnesses can be mildly annoying on the road. But that’s a very small percentage of a drive, and the feeling of them the rest of the time more than makes up for it
Another great episode! In the last couple of weeks I’m pretty sure I’ve caught up with the entire series, now comes the long wait for the next one which sounds like it’s going to be a banger.
Yep you are 100% up to date. Some people ask if I am releasing the videos at this slow rate on purpose, but you are following the build in real time. Dean Den here I come
You should only wear 5 and 6 point harnesses with a helmet and a HANS device however. „Normal“ seat belts have belt force limiters and such to keep you from overstraining your neck in a crash. With a 6 point harness, your body can‘t move forward… but your head can, and it‘ll shoot forward like a cannonball, unless it‘s supported in its own right. So unless you always don your HANS and helmet, you‘ve just made your car *less* safe, even if it might _feel_ safer.
Good morning and you raise an interesting point. In fact I questioned this myself after reading your comment so I have read a couple of university papers on the topic to get a full picture before replying. Taking everything into consideration in a car like the Ultima, with such a deep seat design, horizontal driving position, perfect attachment points for the harness, absence of air bags, full roll cage, etc, the likely hood of being better protected in a roll over, side impact, and frontal impact is superior with a 6 point harness compared to a standard 3 point inertia reel harness. Yes, since the driver is so well restrained the injuries are slightly different in a collision, an increased chance of whiplash (as you mention), potential cracking of ribs compared to a sternum injury (a more robust part of the body), but overall the risk of submarining, contact with the dashboard, lateral torso injuries' (due to twisting), are all drastically reduced if not eliminated. So in summary an accident is an incredibly complex environment and in my opinion considering the many types of forces at play, the design of the Ultima, the driving environment on public roads, I believe I'm safer with the 6 point but hope I never find out. Appreciate the comment and keep tuned. Cheers Nigel and Rufus who also has a harness by the way :-)
Superb looking harness Nigel but personally I think they might be better for those with slightly broader shoulders. I’ve got a feeling they might look a bit silly if I strapped in under those. Absolutely love the carbon mirrors, they’re almost an essential, exquisite option on the RS, and so simple to fit. Great job !!
I would constantly be on edge if I drove this on the road thinking some git could very easily reverse their suv right on top of the bonnet while I'm in it. The car is super low to the ground and it's like a bloody ramp for any 4x4
Still not sure how I actually managed to watch this a couple of days ago...haha !! Subscribed a few days ago and have been binging nonstop since !! Thank you soooo much for taking us on this journey with you, I'm so into this build and feel like I'm there next to you. Magnificent stuff !! A question though if possible. I know you mentioned a while ago that you're 6 foot plus. Many car makers (especially kits) rave about how the taller driver can still fit, but how about those of us more vertically challenged. How do the shorter guys and gals get on with an Ultima ? Any rough ideas on how short is too short if that makes sense ? If thats more a question for the factory them my apologies, but always worth asking. Can't wait for the next episode already hehe :)
HaHa, you somehow stumbled across my test upload. I didn't make it public but occasionally some viewers find it, or get told about it. Anyway, onto your question. The seats have a fair amount of forward movement and the belts a fair amount of adjustment. However, it's a little tricky for me to know what height it could accommodate since all my family are tall. I guess all I can do is throw the question out to the viewers and see if any vertically challenged Ultima owners are reading this and have the answer
Wouldn't you want to use a lock washer, or thread lock, on the harness bolts? Once the seat is in you will have hard time seeing if they are backing out. Just thinking of your safety.
Yep I'll use thread lock but the seats and belts will be coming out again since I need to get under the dash to finish off some wiring. They also need to be torqued. Good observation and thanks for the comment. Cheers Nigel and Rufus
@@v8creative You might want to hot glue the three spacer washers together, and to the lap belt. This will stop them from falling behind the cardon center consul, if you ever remove the belt. Years from now you may not remember they are free to fall.
6 point are a disaster for ladies as the shoulder harness compressers her boobs making the harness very very painfull without discussing the crutch harnes So a 3 point harness is needed for the pasanger, so is a 3 point available
Hi Barry and thanks for the comment. I decided to do some research on this topic and surprisingly there is little to no research papers available - my usual go to when I'm intrigued. However, I decided to go a different route and look at all the harness manufacturer websites. Interestingly there is zero distinction of male vs. female racing harnesses in the market and even the FIA have no reference to the topic. Hence all racing must use the same full harness belts regardless of driver gender. For road use, yes full harnesses are not as common until you go into the low volume production space where 90% of cars use this type of restrain. I admit the full 6 point is rare, but 3 and 4 point harnesses are common solutions. Some manufacturers do offer traditional 3 point inertia reel but this is rare. Form my personal experience I have built 6 cars sporting full harnesses and my wife, daughter and female friends have travelled thousand of miles over decades being strapped in and I have never once heard any complaints of discomfort. I guess a diagonal strap vs. two diagonal straps does not really make a lot of difference? I have never seen an Ultima with an inertia reel three point set up to answer your final question. Thanks for the comment, always enjoy doing some research. Cheers Nigel
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A very nice episode. I always look forward to your videos. The red belts are a great contrast in color to the rest of the interior and do the car a great service stylistically. Mentioning in your video that the cherry on top will be you torquing down the bolts is an important detail to highlight. I read the other comments and the fellow who brought up the 6-point harness, helmet and HANS device issue made a really interesting point. Conservation of momentum and all that. In any event, great episode and I look forward to the next one.
Thanks for the comment and don’t worry, I have a detailed Excel spreadsheet which itemises every fastener on the car which needs final torquing/securing. It is a process I always go through in my builds since items do come off multiple times. Glad you enjoy the content and also read some of the other comments. I don’t confess to know everything, even though that is what I tell the wife, but I like to do research to understand the physics behind some of the logic left on the Chanel. Cheers Nigel and Rufus
The mirrors are a must! The blade support make the Ultima look more like a factory car.
100% agree :-)
Thank you for posting another video.
My pleasure I'm addicted :-)
Really like those mirrors. I've found wider harnesses to be more comfortable, so I'm glad the factory are offering them and red really works for your car, it's coming together very nicely.
Have a great weekend Nigel.
Thanks Ian, it's amazing how the smallest item can lift a car significantly. Preparing for the chassis lift this morning, fingers crossed all goes to plan. Cheers Nigel and Rufus
@@v8creative Best of luck with the lift Nigel. I know you'll be careful with the car, but take care for yourself and son too, hope it all goes well.
word of warning on using harnesses for road use. They don't allow any slack like inertia belts do, Meaning without a helmet and hand device, your head can continue traveling forward in a crash while your body remains in place. This can, and has, led to internal decapitations for some unfortunate drivers.
Having both harnesses for track use, and an inertia seat belt for road use is probably the wiser choice.
Thanks for the comment, similar to another I received a couple of days ago. Full harnesses have been fitted to road cars in the UK for decades and are approved by VOSA for road use. So even if some unfortunate drivers have suffered such injuries I would suggest in such an accident wearing a three point seat belt would have had the same outcome but maybe a different injury. If I look at all the mainstream seat belt / harness manufacturer websites they all say harnesses are for road use and comply with all safety requirements. I know the British Army use them on most of their vehicles also, as do seats for disabled children. Also many road cars fitted with full harnesses often have a laid back driving position, zero airbags, roll bars, and deep bucket seats. So yes, the shoulder straps have a few millimetres less travel (the lap straps don't since they often have explosive tensioners), but as a whole the environment for the driver and passenger is probably overall safer compared to a three point alone. I'm no expert so could be totally wrong and don't mind admitting as much, but if I am wrong I guess dozens of car manufacturers, VOSA, and the British Army must be also wrong. Thanks for watching and sending over the comment which has definitely stimulated some discussion. Cheers Nigel
You can’t beat harnesses for making you feel part of the car. One of the best things I did to my Exige. I’m lucky in that I’ve also got the advantage of being able to still use the standard seat belts if I feel like it (mainly on boring motorway journeys)
Good to have both options, and as you say a full harness definitely makes you at one with the car. Only downside is at junctions you cannot lean forward as you can with inertia reel three points. But I have managed in many cars over thousands of miles welded to the seat with harnesses.
@@v8creative Yeah, I agree. It’s only at junctions that the harnesses can be mildly annoying on the road. But that’s a very small percentage of a drive, and the feeling of them the rest of the time more than makes up for it
Another great episode! In the last couple of weeks I’m pretty sure I’ve caught up with the entire series, now comes the long wait for the next one which sounds like it’s going to be a banger.
Yep you are 100% up to date. Some people ask if I am releasing the videos at this slow rate on purpose, but you are following the build in real time. Dean Den here I come
You should only wear 5 and 6 point harnesses with a helmet and a HANS device however. „Normal“ seat belts have belt force limiters and such to keep you from overstraining your neck in a crash. With a 6 point harness, your body can‘t move forward… but your head can, and it‘ll shoot forward like a cannonball, unless it‘s supported in its own right.
So unless you always don your HANS and helmet, you‘ve just made your car *less* safe, even if it might _feel_ safer.
Good morning and you raise an interesting point. In fact I questioned this myself after reading your comment so I have read a couple of university papers on the topic to get a full picture before replying. Taking everything into consideration in a car like the Ultima, with such a deep seat design, horizontal driving position, perfect attachment points for the harness, absence of air bags, full roll cage, etc, the likely hood of being better protected in a roll over, side impact, and frontal impact is superior with a 6 point harness compared to a standard 3 point inertia reel harness. Yes, since the driver is so well restrained the injuries are slightly different in a collision, an increased chance of whiplash (as you mention), potential cracking of ribs compared to a sternum injury (a more robust part of the body), but overall the risk of submarining, contact with the dashboard, lateral torso injuries' (due to twisting), are all drastically reduced if not eliminated. So in summary an accident is an incredibly complex environment and in my opinion considering the many types of forces at play, the design of the Ultima, the driving environment on public roads, I believe I'm safer with the 6 point but hope I never find out. Appreciate the comment and keep tuned. Cheers Nigel and Rufus who also has a harness by the way :-)
Superb looking harness Nigel but personally I think they might be better for those with slightly broader shoulders. I’ve got a feeling they might look a bit silly if I strapped in under those.
Absolutely love the carbon mirrors, they’re almost an essential, exquisite option on the RS, and so simple to fit. Great job !!
Appreciate the support with more comments Garreth. Yep those wing mirrors are a piece of art. Cheers Nigel and Rufus
I would constantly be on edge if I drove this on the road thinking some git could very easily reverse their suv right on top of the bonnet while I'm in it. The car is super low to the ground and it's like a bloody ramp for any 4x4
HaHa, yep good point. But to be honest when driving one of these machines you are seldom behind much for long :-)
Still not sure how I actually managed to watch this a couple of days ago...haha !!
Subscribed a few days ago and have been binging nonstop since !! Thank you soooo much for taking us on this journey with you, I'm so into this build and feel like I'm there next to you. Magnificent stuff !!
A question though if possible. I know you mentioned a while ago that you're 6 foot plus. Many car makers (especially kits) rave about how the taller driver can still fit, but how about those of us more vertically challenged. How do the shorter guys and gals get on with an Ultima ? Any rough ideas on how short is too short if that makes sense ? If thats more a question for the factory them my apologies, but always worth asking.
Can't wait for the next episode already hehe :)
HaHa, you somehow stumbled across my test upload. I didn't make it public but occasionally some viewers find it, or get told about it. Anyway, onto your question. The seats have a fair amount of forward movement and the belts a fair amount of adjustment. However, it's a little tricky for me to know what height it could accommodate since all my family are tall. I guess all I can do is throw the question out to the viewers and see if any vertically challenged Ultima owners are reading this and have the answer
Yep totally appreciate that, I'll contact the factory as well. Cheers !@@v8creative
I thought quick release/aircraft style release harnesses wouldn't pass IVA?🤔
Yep, they are IVA compliant.
There's no gasket on the base of the wing mirrors?
Nope, no gaskets but to be honest the fit is super tight
Wouldn't you want to use a lock washer, or thread lock, on the harness bolts? Once the seat is in you will have hard time seeing if they are backing out. Just thinking of your safety.
Yep I'll use thread lock but the seats and belts will be coming out again since I need to get under the dash to finish off some wiring. They also need to be torqued. Good observation and thanks for the comment. Cheers Nigel and Rufus
@@v8creative You might want to hot glue the three spacer washers together, and to the lap belt. This will stop them from falling behind the cardon center consul, if you ever remove the belt. Years from now you may not remember they are free to fall.
Wait a sec, is this bloke Shmee's dad ?
How did you guess? Reach out to Shmee and ask the question - you may be surprised at the response
Ha ha. First comment.😊
A gold star to Steve :-)
6 point are a disaster for ladies as the shoulder harness compressers her boobs making the harness very very painfull without discussing the crutch harnes
So a 3 point harness is needed for the pasanger, so is a 3 point available
Hi Barry and thanks for the comment. I decided to do some research on this topic and surprisingly there is little to no research papers available - my usual go to when I'm intrigued. However, I decided to go a different route and look at all the harness manufacturer websites. Interestingly there is zero distinction of male vs. female racing harnesses in the market and even the FIA have no reference to the topic. Hence all racing must use the same full harness belts regardless of driver gender. For road use, yes full harnesses are not as common until you go into the low volume production space where 90% of cars use this type of restrain. I admit the full 6 point is rare, but 3 and 4 point harnesses are common solutions. Some manufacturers do offer traditional 3 point inertia reel but this is rare. Form my personal experience I have built 6 cars sporting full harnesses and my wife, daughter and female friends have travelled thousand of miles over decades being strapped in and I have never once heard any complaints of discomfort. I guess a diagonal strap vs. two diagonal straps does not really make a lot of difference? I have never seen an Ultima with an inertia reel three point set up to answer your final question. Thanks for the comment, always enjoy doing some research. Cheers Nigel