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These bans have really been kicking my butt. I pulled a textured foil Jeweled Lotus, which replaced my foil Jeweled Lotus in my collection, but I hadn't sold it yet, so both are plummeting now. I previously purchased a Foil Etched Dockside, sold my non-foil, but then traded for another non-foil because it was a card I thought I could use in a different trade, now both of them are plummeting. I also traded into an original media promo Mana Crypt, which is also now plummeting. On top of all of that, I literally had a Revised Mana Vault in my cart this weekend for about $40 or $50 and was going to pull the trigger to complete my Revised set, but I didn't, and now it is sky rocketing. So frustrating, but mostly, I'm just bummed I can't play with these cards anymore without a Rule 0 discussion.
I feel yea man. Our entire pod had Lotuses, Docksides, and Crypts and we all had to sit down and have a serious talk about how much we want to buy future "Direct to eternal format" sets and Masters sets. As well as redefining our proxy rule.
@@Volkan-uh2by Mana Crypt is older than the format and has been a part of the format the whole time. These cards can absolutely be played casually and I have never played with someone who was upset by the way I played with them.
@@Volkan-uh2by sounds like you are projecting. Maybe take a step back and look at why it bothers you so much. The format was created as a casual format and people have been using Sol Rings, Mana Crypts, and Mana Vaults the whole time. Do you think they were all in the wrong before you came along?
The bans were great, and yeah I own all those cards. Jeweled lotus though was one I can see the argument. I honestly think cEDH should have its own ban list. But if we look at both casual and cEDH within the same format then the bans are objectively good. Got to look at it from the outside. Edit: I really believe people are only upset because of the money.
The bans make no sense to me. They should ban all fast mana or none of it. This just pushes all of the value into scarcer harder to find fast mana like Grim Monolith, Vault and Lions Eye.
@@discoviolenza1984I get where you’re coming from but all the ones you listed have some downside or requirement of pitching cards. I do think sol ring should of went for the sake for this ban full sense. It’s not even the bans themselves that got me 😡. It was the lying and deception between the rules committee and wotc.
I play both casual and cEDH. I personally don't think these bans were good and not because of the money. I much preferred if someone was quick and games ended quicker. Nadu was broken. That one needed banned. Crypt and jewled lotus? I don't believe so. I would have preferred an Thoracle ban instead of either of them. dockside I was fine with either way.
I really disagree with this ban. It makes me want to never buy cards. I never played these cards more in casual pods. I would hold myself back but some people out there are just making it unfun and the right hothead sees it. Enough banning cards when people are problematic.
Rule 0 exists. Having a banlist in a format where the rules are flexible is nonsensical and there shouldn’t be a market around commander since a proxy is just as legal as the real thing in almost every environment since it’s a non-competitive format for almost every player who participates in it.
I'm done, the last straw. I should have gotten out after Magic 30, but I pretended it was just a mistake. Now it's clear as day! Got a large amount of cards to unload this year. It's actually a relief.
Many many years ago, I played SplinterTwin and Modern format. That killed my desire to play that format when the banned happened. Now, this Bann could do that to many Commander Players. I feel for anyone who has spent time and resources to collect those banned cards. Since they not be worth the money to sell. I recommend making a Bann list small Binder. Keep them. Remember that you enjoyed playing with those cards. I have a Binder filled with Banned Commander cards. And now, only have three decks. Try to remember that you can probably still play with these cards with your friends. Casual games with strangers are usually why these bans are a thing. Sol ring should be banned too, if the reasons why they banned the others were true…
Bans sucked comment for the algorithm…honestly I’ve got mixed feelings about the situation given there’s been a lot of knee jerk reactions in general I think it sends a message that cedh and edh are not the same direct from the mouth itself and I think this will be the birth of a new era in edh as a whole this ban list has caused a huge stir and I don’t think we’ve seen the end of the fallout by a country mile.
I have 0 card from the BAN i only buy RL cards,but i'm sick to my stomach since a saw it,i feel so very very bad fro those who spent so much money on thise cards....this situation is stupid Thanks John greatw ork as alwais! Love to see forsaken wastes spike so hard!
I appreciate that, you are certainly welcome to be part of this channel for as long as you want. I hope you stick around at least to check in on general trends and my puns:) I certainly understand your frustration through.
Out all of these bans…..Nadu was 100% getting the hammer. Now I won’t argue/disagree over these bans. The main three shouldn’t have been touched….or ya know…..reprint them in Commander Decks to put more copies in the market….I’m just sayin. The whole bans are poor decisions. And to those asking for Wizards to take over the Commander format. Yeah….no…..no you don’t want that…..like you don’t want that….
Either make the staples accessible for all or ban them, that is reason enough. Non-reserve list cards should not be 50$ plus. If the cards would have been cheaper there would have been little to no impact. This ban was a net positive! Magic should not be a pay to win game.
I sent all my cards to MPC years ago and play with very high definition proxies now. In any casual format, nobody should be paying > $20 for their deck. In any case I play CUBE, ensuring nobody pays anything to play.
The whole ban is so stupid especially after they preached rule 0 for so long. Also bro I don’t know one person that is complaining that games go by too quickly. I want games to maybe go an hour I’m done playing 2+ hour long games where people are taking 15 min plus turns. That’s not fun
@@CUtTHrOaT_GHOST yeah rule 0 so why are they banning cards at all in a casual eternal format either ban every problem card and kill the format or none of them.
@@hoontr please don't let jealousy of others' possessions / perceived wealth fuel negative feelings towards the individuals; it's not good for either party. The reality is that people in all sorts of situations have been financially impacted by this, and that's not really fair any way you look at it.
@@nathanialmynameisajoke if these four cards being banned really make all the difference between you being able to play at your LGS vs. not being able to, that's great! I expect you'll still need to have a conversation with the other players about the rest of the contents of their decks, but it's a good opportunity to do this for sure :)
@@nathanialmynameisajoke if your lgs opponents were playing cedh cards before, you should expect to get thoracle comboed in the near future. There is no substitute for rule 0 at casual tables.
no way they undo them. imagine the uproar if the value of the banned cards goes up again after some people dumped theirs for way lower. it would be actual mayhem.
I'm tired of everyone just saying rule 0 it. First of all, the entire play group needs to agree with it and secondly I know some don't want to move cards around to play at an LGS or risk accidentally leaving it in a deck and having judges called over. The Jeweled Lotus is literally a coaster now, and this is not good for players or collectors to feel safe to buy cards.
Cards getting banned in any format can cause people to lost 100s in card value. Grief, fury, and so many other examples. I don't really think that's a good argument not to ban cards in commander. It definitely sucks for the individuals (and stores) that had stacks of theae cards, but if you're treating mtg cards as an investment, sometimes the line goes down
I think the bans are fine by themselves. What I don’t understand is that all of these cards have been reprinted recently. The vould have banned the carda BEFORE the reprint instead of after. It seems like a blatant cash grab to me, and it gave the signal: these cards are fine. No problems here.
Rc and wiztards are two separate entities witch is awful for stuff like this imagine what hasbro executives are doing they must be losing it then some random group of people can effect the price of chase cards like that.
@@Naustrixthe thing is the RC keeps in contact with wotc. The timing of this was literally done on purpose so they can sell more packs. RC said they were in talks for over a year with wotc about these cards. Conveniently when jeweled lotus and mana crypt were marquee chase cards you can pull from sets. Conveniently, festival in a box showed up days prior to everyone’s house containing a lost cavern collector pact
If the commander bans ends up thinning the herd, so be it. I feel for anybody losing money, and I wish the culutre around MTG had stopped evolving short of this point. But if you're rage quitting because of this ruling? [Fun at parties line here]
I don't see the difference between these bans and those from any other format. People's individual financial gains/loses shouldn't impact decisions on the health of a format
That sucks losing money like that. That said it's to be expected in a collectable card game and maybe you shouldn't be spending lots of money on cardboard. It's different if you play in sanctioned events but commander is primarily a casual format so what are you doing spending that much money in the first place?
Because cEDH used to be a non-proxy format. Even though cEDH is proxy friendly now, back in 2019 and earlier, it wasn’t. So those of us who were playing back then picked up our Docksides, Crypts, and JLos when it first came out to be able to play tournaments.
The ban is dumb... I highly suspect some manipulation is involved else for the same reasoning ban sol ring also! "Iconic" is not an argument to keep it, mana crypt isn't iconic? I suggest no one bothers buying mana vault, that will be next on the list, I also suggest the community starts an alternative rules committee
Right now prices are moving up fast. That version had less copies for sale so the price shot up faster when you look at averages. Things should even out more in a few days.
Commander was started as a relatively cheap casual format. Seems to be the unpopular opinion but dumping thousands of dollars into a modern edh card spec play is absolutely brain dead.
Hurry and buy them up so WOTC can make some more sets with them added as the super chase card. That way they can make the max amount of $ off all the suckers. Once that dust settles, here comes the rug pull. Don't get burned, stop giving these scamming scumbags your money.
I will not be buying any MTG sealed because they will just ban anything they want a few weeks after selling me the cards as a chase card in a set. I will just light my money on fire it's more fun than watching Hasbro kill a game I have loved for 20+ years.
Its so funny watching all the orthadoxed mtg spider mans pointing at each other get upset bc of 4 cards ... now welcome.back to the ground your not floating anymore above the room.bc you have the same cards as everyone else i your deck ... do better
Braindead take wotc doesn't put a monetary valuation on individual cards we do that with the secondary market its players faults the cards are worth that much and after the ban we decided they ain't worth sh!+ now
Here is the link I mentioned in the video for FlipSide Gaming where you can preorder Duskmourn or find any number of other great deals. Shipping is free in the U.S. for orders over $100 and Singles orders. Thanks as always for your support. www.flipsidegaming.com/collections/magic-sealed-instock?page=1
Mox Opal is next to go up
Man it is sad that people are leaving mtg because of These Bans. I know so many people whose colllections lost hundrets of Dollars. Must sting so bad
These bans have really been kicking my butt. I pulled a textured foil Jeweled Lotus, which replaced my foil Jeweled Lotus in my collection, but I hadn't sold it yet, so both are plummeting now. I previously purchased a Foil Etched Dockside, sold my non-foil, but then traded for another non-foil because it was a card I thought I could use in a different trade, now both of them are plummeting. I also traded into an original media promo Mana Crypt, which is also now plummeting. On top of all of that, I literally had a Revised Mana Vault in my cart this weekend for about $40 or $50 and was going to pull the trigger to complete my Revised set, but I didn't, and now it is sky rocketing. So frustrating, but mostly, I'm just bummed I can't play with these cards anymore without a Rule 0 discussion.
I feel yea man. Our entire pod had Lotuses, Docksides, and Crypts and we all had to sit down and have a serious talk about how much we want to buy future "Direct to eternal format" sets and Masters sets. As well as redefining our proxy rule.
@@Volkan-uh2by Mana Crypt is older than the format and has been a part of the format the whole time. These cards can absolutely be played casually and I have never played with someone who was upset by the way I played with them.
@Volkan-uh2by why dictate what people can play in a casual format?
@@jeremystevens2045 everyone not playing this was upset......everyone was just gentle to you. And because it was normal and allways there
@@Volkan-uh2by sounds like you are projecting. Maybe take a step back and look at why it bothers you so much. The format was created as a casual format and people have been using Sol Rings, Mana Crypts, and Mana Vaults the whole time. Do you think they were all in the wrong before you came along?
......wow. That Mana Vault price up. Glad i was able to grab a couple for 40 a piece.
CtrlP my friends! Here in Printertown things are still great. VERY glad I sold my jeweled lotus as soon as I opened it last November
The bans were great, and yeah I own all those cards. Jeweled lotus though was one I can see the argument. I honestly think cEDH should have its own ban list. But if we look at both casual and cEDH within the same format then the bans are objectively good. Got to look at it from the outside.
Edit: I really believe people are only upset because of the money.
The bans make no sense to me. They should ban all fast mana or none of it. This just pushes all of the value into scarcer harder to find fast mana like Grim Monolith, Vault and Lions Eye.
@@discoviolenza1984I get where you’re coming from but all the ones you listed have some downside or requirement of pitching cards. I do think sol ring should of went for the sake for this ban full sense.
It’s not even the bans themselves that got me 😡. It was the lying and deception between the rules committee and wotc.
I play both casual and cEDH. I personally don't think these bans were good and not because of the money. I much preferred if someone was quick and games ended quicker. Nadu was broken. That one needed banned. Crypt and jewled lotus? I don't believe so. I would have preferred an Thoracle ban instead of either of them. dockside I was fine with either way.
Lucky me I hadn’t sold my mana crypt yet that I bought 5 years ago for $20 when it got that ultimate master reprint
Thanks for the updates!
mana vault to the mooooon
I really disagree with this ban. It makes me want to never buy cards. I never played these cards more in casual pods. I would hold myself back but some people out there are just making it unfun and the right hothead sees it. Enough banning cards when people are problematic.
Rule 0 exists. Having a banlist in a format where the rules are flexible is nonsensical and there shouldn’t be a market around commander since a proxy is just as legal as the real thing in almost every environment since it’s a non-competitive format for almost every player who participates in it.
I'm done, the last straw. I should have gotten out after Magic 30, but I pretended it was just a mistake. Now it's clear as day! Got a large amount of cards to unload this year. It's actually a relief.
Many many years ago, I played SplinterTwin and Modern format. That killed my desire to play that format when the banned happened. Now, this Bann could do that to many Commander Players. I feel for anyone who has spent time and resources to collect those banned cards. Since they not be worth the money to sell. I recommend making a Bann list small Binder. Keep them. Remember that you enjoyed playing with those cards. I have a Binder filled with Banned Commander cards. And now, only have three decks. Try to remember that you can probably still play with these cards with your friends. Casual games with strangers are usually why these bans are a thing. Sol ring should be banned too, if the reasons why they banned the others were true…
Let's go John hope your week is going well besides the jumps going up and down
Thank you John!
Those spikes are getting crazier. Sheesh!
Bans sucked comment for the algorithm…honestly I’ve got mixed feelings about the situation given there’s been a lot of knee jerk reactions in general I think it sends a message that cedh and edh are not the same direct from the mouth itself and I think this will be the birth of a new era in edh as a whole this ban list has caused a huge stir and I don’t think we’ve seen the end of the fallout by a country mile.
I have 0 card from the BAN i only buy RL cards,but i'm sick to my stomach since a saw it,i feel so very very bad fro those who spent so much money on thise cards....this situation is stupid
Thanks John greatw ork as alwais! Love to see forsaken wastes spike so hard!
I'd be cautious with vault. Said they dont want fast mana, and honesty surprised it dodge the ban here with their current sentiment.
It’s not even close dude. It’s a dark ritual with upside at best. Is it good yeah but you need to put in work to make it great.
Vault is fast mana for one turn unless you’re playing a deck that can uptap it with out the upkeep cost. The 4 upkeep is a huge down side
I haven't been able to bring my self to unsubscribe from your channel yet Jon, I left a lot of other content creators yesterday though.
I appreciate that, you are certainly welcome to be part of this channel for as long as you want. I hope you stick around at least to check in on general trends and my puns:) I certainly understand your frustration through.
Out all of these bans…..Nadu was 100% getting the hammer. Now I won’t argue/disagree over these bans. The main three shouldn’t have been touched….or ya know…..reprint them in Commander Decks to put more copies in the market….I’m just sayin. The whole bans are poor decisions. And to those asking for Wizards to take over the Commander format. Yeah….no…..no you don’t want that…..like you don’t want that….
Either make the staples accessible for all or ban them, that is reason enough. Non-reserve list cards should not be 50$ plus. If the cards would have been cheaper there would have been little to no impact. This ban was a net positive! Magic should not be a pay to win game.
Players decide what a card is worth not wotc
I sent all my cards to MPC years ago and play with very high definition proxies now. In any casual format, nobody should be paying > $20 for their deck. In any case I play CUBE, ensuring nobody pays anything to play.
The whole ban is so stupid especially after they preached rule 0 for so long. Also bro I don’t know one person that is complaining that games go by too quickly. I want games to maybe go an hour I’m done playing 2+ hour long games where people are taking 15 min plus turns. That’s not fun
I'm excited. I might actually be able to play at my lgs
@@CUtTHrOaT_GHOST yeah rule 0 so why are they banning cards at all in a casual eternal format either ban every problem card and kill the format or none of them.
@@hoontr please don't let jealousy of others' possessions / perceived wealth fuel negative feelings towards the individuals; it's not good for either party. The reality is that people in all sorts of situations have been financially impacted by this, and that's not really fair any way you look at it.
@@nathanialmynameisajoke if these four cards being banned really make all the difference between you being able to play at your LGS vs. not being able to, that's great! I expect you'll still need to have a conversation with the other players about the rest of the contents of their decks, but it's a good opportunity to do this for sure :)
@@nathanialmynameisajoke if your lgs opponents were playing cedh cards before, you should expect to get thoracle comboed in the near future. There is no substitute for rule 0 at casual tables.
No magebane lizard ? Or was this before its crazy spike to a $5 cad uncommon from a recent set over night 😂
There is another petition to undo the bannings....I signed that one as well....I have no love for cEDH, but Commander is an ETERNAL format....
no way they undo them. imagine the uproar if the value of the banned cards goes up again after some people dumped theirs for way lower. it would be actual mayhem.
@@tehguy0 we gotta try sometime...if not what's going to get banned tomorrow...?
I'm tired of everyone just saying rule 0 it. First of all, the entire play group needs to agree with it and secondly I know some don't want to move cards around to play at an LGS or risk accidentally leaving it in a deck and having judges called over. The Jeweled Lotus is literally a coaster now, and this is not good for players or collectors to feel safe to buy cards.
Cards getting banned in any format can cause people to lost 100s in card value. Grief, fury, and so many other examples. I don't really think that's a good argument not to ban cards in commander.
It definitely sucks for the individuals (and stores) that had stacks of theae cards, but if you're treating mtg cards as an investment, sometimes the line goes down
Maybe people need to reconsider how much money they are willing to put into cardboard lol
I agree with you. It sucks that people lost a lot of money but in the end Magic is a game to enjoy and not really a long term investment choice.
This also happens in every other CCG, and it will continue to happen. It is the nature of the beast.
Anyone interested in a high grade Summer Magic Mana Vault? Don’t hate on Summer
I think the bans are fine by themselves. What I don’t understand is that all of these cards have been reprinted recently. The vould have banned the carda BEFORE the reprint instead of after. It seems like a blatant cash grab to me, and it gave the signal: these cards are fine. No problems here.
Rc and wiztards are two separate entities witch is awful for stuff like this imagine what hasbro executives are doing they must be losing it then some random group of people can effect the price of chase cards like that.
@@Naustrixthe thing is the RC keeps in contact with wotc. The timing of this was literally done on purpose so they can sell more packs. RC said they were in talks for over a year with wotc about these cards.
Conveniently when jeweled lotus and mana crypt were marquee chase cards you can pull from sets.
Conveniently, festival in a box showed up days prior to everyone’s house containing a lost cavern collector pact
If the commander bans ends up thinning the herd, so be it. I feel for anybody losing money, and I wish the culutre around MTG had stopped evolving short of this point. But if you're rage quitting because of this ruling? [Fun at parties line here]
T.y. John! ❤❤❤
I don't see the difference between these bans and those from any other format. People's individual financial gains/loses shouldn't impact decisions on the health of a format
Late again 😐 thanks John
That sucks losing money like that. That said it's to be expected in a collectable card game and maybe you shouldn't be spending lots of money on cardboard. It's different if you play in sanctioned events but commander is primarily a casual format so what are you doing spending that much money in the first place?
Because cEDH used to be a non-proxy format. Even though cEDH is proxy friendly now, back in 2019 and earlier, it wasn’t. So those of us who were playing back then picked up our Docksides, Crypts, and JLos when it first came out to be able to play tournaments.
The ban is dumb... I highly suspect some manipulation is involved else for the same reasoning ban sol ring also!
"Iconic" is not an argument to keep it, mana crypt isn't iconic?
I suggest no one bothers buying mana vault, that will be next on the list, I also suggest the community starts an alternative rules committee
There's a petition to ban the rules committee, which I agree with...no third party should shape OUR format...or be allowed to manipulate the market...
Why does 5th edition Mana Vault is more expensive?
Right now prices are moving up fast. That version had less copies for sale so the price shot up faster when you look at averages. Things should even out more in a few days.
Ok, but why weren't you guys already playing Mana Vault? That card has always been cracked.
Cause Mana Crypt was BETTER.
@@thrillhouse4151 That’s true, but also not really relevant.
Boom!
Commander was started as a relatively cheap casual format. Seems to be the unpopular opinion but dumping thousands of dollars into a modern edh card spec play is absolutely brain dead.
Hurry and buy them up so WOTC can make some more sets with them added as the super chase card. That way they can make the max amount of $ off all the suckers. Once that dust settles, here comes the rug pull. Don't get burned, stop giving these scamming scumbags your money.
Bingo
I didn’t realize WotC watches over your kitchen table and play group to make sure you’re not playing with cards they don’t want you to play with.
I will not be buying any MTG sealed because they will just ban anything they want a few weeks after selling me the cards as a chase card in a set. I will just light my money on fire it's more fun than watching Hasbro kill a game I have loved for 20+ years.
Keep in mind that WOTC didn't ban the cards.
If your getting out of magic because of a ban goodby
Its so funny watching all the orthadoxed mtg spider mans pointing at each other get upset bc of 4 cards ... now welcome.back to the ground your not floating anymore above the room.bc you have the same cards as everyone else i your deck ... do better
No one cares about this ban except the sweaty cedh players... it happens and it's better for commander
WOTC should be legally required to offer cards to replace the cards they ban... If you're gonna destroy the value of my cards, compensate me.
Have you considered how much of a logistical nightmare that would be?
Braindead take wotc doesn't put a monetary valuation on individual cards we do that with the secondary market its players faults the cards are worth that much and after the ban we decided they ain't worth sh!+ now
Are you going to compensate THEM if the cards you buy go up in value?