The only problem I’ve ever had with any of these theories of where the ark may be, is that if this large structure was all that was left after a flood, wouldn’t it be logical to re-purposed all the remaining timbers from it to rebuild their society therefore, there would be nothing left
Perhaps that may be the very reason the ark wasn't taken apart. For if they had taken it apart then there wouldn't be any evidence to confound the sceptics of our day. Just the fact that the GPR and resistivity scans of the Durupinar ship-like object proves it's a manmade structure proves the wisdom of Noah of not dismantling the ark. Perhaps with his greater wisdom he envisioned our days.
Even if that were true, you have other cultures that were thriving. Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Sumerians, Egyptians, Nordic and Slavic cultures. They were not affected by a flood. And even if we entertained your thought that the Ark was real, the story it's tied to is a fairy tale in a book that also says wearing a flannel shirt while eating shrimp is a sin. Christianity is a cult that stole ideas from other cultures (mostly Pagan) then claimed them as there own.
But like, if you’re into the whole thing, then they’re closer to god’s purity from Adam, and were genetically superior than anyone alive today… allegedly… so it’s no problem if the humans inbred because of the divine light, or some hoohaa
We've finally gotten to the point where Simon is basically scientifically asking "what is the airspeed and velocity of a swallow" And I'm totally here for it
Imagine there were like 5-10 arks all floating around at the same time. One passes another like “god told you?” Other ark “yeah god told us too” *another ark from the distance* “hey did god tell you guys to build a boat and get animals too” *all confused*
4:50 - Chapter 1 - The story of Noah 14:00 - Chapter 2 - Was there an ark to begin with ? 21:00 - Chapter 3 - Ark Fever 23:05 - Chapter 4 - The durupinar site 25:35 - Chapter 5 - The discoveries of ron wyatt 40:45 - Chapter 6 - Mount Ararat 56:50 - Chapter 7 - Mount Judi 1:05:00 - Chapter 8 - Will the ark ever be found ? 1:08:35 - Conclusion
"What happened to the sea creatures?" Simon asks. Well, Simon, since there was only enough room for the land animals and the birds, the fish were left to fend for themselves and they all drowned. Obviously.
I’d think, all of the sea creatures would obviously thrive and populate the entire earth but after the water disappeares, you’d have to have A) a huge influx of fish evident by more fossils or B) a strange amount of fish skeletons on what should be land
Cool thing about the flood myth: Considering the oldest version of the flood myth is found in the Sumerian language, this might be the oldest and longest continually told story in all of human history.
Not by a long shot- look into the aboriginal dream time oral histories that go back thousands of years to when Australia was not as isolated from Southeast Asia when the ocean level was lower.
@@bluebagelman1920 oral histories are entirely impossible to accurately date. a man telling you a story is really old with no record other than his word.. plus aboriginals had no system of numbers to count. so yea... HOW would they even begin to know how old a story is? it could be 300 years old and neither they nor you would know the difference.. they DONT COUNT ( as in numbers) how could anyone verify the age of a single story unless someone ELSE wrote it down?
God being a wrathful deity in the Old Testament and then being a Merciful deity in the New Testament is like starting season 2 of a show and finding out the main character was recast to be someone more likeable.
You need to read/listen to the late Michael Heisner. God hasn’t changed, dealing with humanity and the entities rebelling against Him is the same. It’s not just something we are reading in the Bible.
I love how Wyatt managed to find so many actual interesting archeological pieces but just completely misconstrued what all of it was because he wanted it to be Noah's Ark.
@yaitstac7267 an excerpt from "NOAH, Another Storm Is Coming" The Flood is a story God wants to be told. It occupies more than a third of the first chapters of Genesis -- chapters that chronicle the first 2000 years of earth's history. More chapters are devoted to the Flood of Noah's day than even the Creation record. Indeed, the credibility of the canon of Scripture, and even that of Jesus, are seriously challenged if the veracity of the global Flood (or Deluge) in Noah's day is denied. And to trivialize or undermine the story of Noah builds a segue way to ultimate denial of faith. Both Jesus and the apostles spoke about the historicity and universality of the Flood. And they both saw encapsulated in the Flood account an insight into the future of a world -- a world that would rekindle the flames of unbridled passions and be so stupefied by pleasure that it would not even sense the tsunami approaching as it sits on the sands of time. As in the days of Noah, the storm is gathering again!
There is desperation in the evangelical sphere to prove the bible as factual. As archaeology and science advance the bible is looking more and more like myth. Evangelicals will desperate grab anything they think can offer just a tiny bit of proof. The other problem is that christian 'colleges' are pumping out poorly trained, badly educated scientists and historians that have one purpose to bury the real science and history under fraud, especially in internet searches. An example just 5 years ago a search on the historicity of Jesus would bring up a balanced listing and real person with the three divisions of just a Rabi, A prophet or god vs just a myth. Today there is a flood of links back to evangelical sources that declare jesus real and god. Finally you have the true grifters and con artists. A few years back I read about a geologist who was for hire to speak at any church and preach the lie that carbon dating is wrong, scientists are frauds and the earth is 6000 years old. The most sickening thing was this man was a well respected scientist/professor of geology who had decades worth of peer reviewed papers, on subjects like dating some of the oldest rock formations as millions to billions of years old.
That’s easy the sea creatures don’t need to be on the ark since they already live in the water whether that’s lakes, oceans, seas, whatever no point in putting them on an ark.
Simon does such an incredible job reading these scripts... I'm amazed he can put so much inflection and emphasis on the words as he goes. It's so smooth and sounds like it's his own words off the top of his head! And as I sat here actually watching the video I noticed just how much Jenn does and she's excellent! Such smooth cuts and transitions! Absolutely seamless! Incredible!
Yes he does, and seen plenty of videos where he just stuck to a script and thought it was all him, and then seeing him interjecting his own thoughts on first reads, cracks me up getting to see more of the real him 😆
I come for the unending skepticism from Simon, but come on...How do you not know Good Omens?!? Michael Sheen, David Tennant in an adaptation of Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett's masterpiece.
Seriously, Good Omens is one of The Best books of all time. And while the show is not quite as perfect an adaption as the LotR movies, it is still excellent.
Simon can't handle a generic fantasy, of course, he never heard of Good Omens. Nor would he be able to handle a book full of angels, demons, prophecies, etc.
Let's just say there really was an ark and a flood, wouldn't Noah after the flood disassemble the ark and use the wood and materials to build his house, barns, and whatever was left for firewood? If there was indeed an ark it's surely gone by now. Basically looking for something that's long gone.
I've had similar thoughts but a potential counter-argument could be that it would be too difficult to haul the lumber several thousand feet back down a mountain to a more habitable elevation. Without lumber or other means of building a shelter, they might just dig their homes out of the ground for a while until stuff grew back. Could be why Turkey is absolutely littered with underground cities ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly, why not just stay in the boat? Let the animals out and you have a mansion for yourself? Given it was common to burn structures to harvest the melted metal bits, it wouldn’t last long… that and the wood eating worms and various rot the lumber would be prone to. Noah made the boat, not god. No 5yr warranty 😜
Just started watching. Oh my goodness does Simon sound like my dad. My dad sometimes goes on an Anti-Catholic/Anti-Bible rants. He went to a French Catholic school, and he asked too many questions. He often ends the rants with "I know, I'm asking the wrong questions. It's all a big secret. I'm going to end up upside down in a garbage can in the basement if I keep asking these questions" Apparently, the nuns were very mean to my dad in his youth.
Good Omens was a novel by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman. It was made into a show with 6 episodes starring David Tennant as Crowley and Michael Sheen as Aziraphale. It was very entertaining and very well done!
There was also a flood story in the U.S. with the native american peoples and new geological theories support this.- a flood caused my sudden glacier melt and breakage. But it only lasted hours or days in most parts. It did leaves behind some massive lakes. And canyons.
The sea creatures were fine Simon. You see, they totally survived against what would have been a massive change in salinity. It makes sense if you don’t think about it!
This is all based on the assumption that God is real so if you believe God is real. And you could imagine he could speak the universe into existence. He could probably control the salt in the water for the fishies But you're not looking from the perspective of belief or from other peoples shoes.you're just looking from a disrespectful position of knowing. * assuming you know lol either way its irrelivent to your and mine meaningless life just gonna pain to death.. but the only thing that is shown is that you don't have respect... none of us know what's going on lol quiet shitty that you're content with that behavior but i guess thats what we're made of ;) it would be programmed into you
Im pretty sure there are places where saline and fresh water meet but don't mix. Technically possible for a similar situation. Especially given the localized flood that it would've been rather than a global flood.
The resistography is used in some rock to find differences in how the electricity moves through various materials, and so when you do it layer by layer you can form a picture of anything that might be there. We use it sometimes in archaeology to show us where to dig.
I discovered the book years ago and really enjoyed it. I was very pleased to find out who the two main actors would be when it was turned into a movie. I was not disappointed but I do agree with the previous comment that Simon very well may not like it.
I got in trouble in Sunday school when I was like 8. Noah's son Ham left after seeing his father drunk and naked; and apparently became the first king of Babylon. My question was, who built the city and who did he rule over if everyone was dead from the flood? That's when I learned that most churches don't like you reading on your own. They like to present little snippets of the Bible in the best light that follows the narrative they want. If you actually read the whole book, it gets harder and harder to believe any of it.
I asked my catechism teacher, "If children are innocent in God's eyes, why didn't he instruct Noah to save all the children too? Why did God kill Children?" It earned me a nice cracking on the knuckles by the Nun.
Remember asking my Sunday school teacher, who used a cane, why she'd teach Sunday school when Leviticus says she's going to hell for coming to church with an injury. It...did not go well for me lol.
Wasn't this basically the entire drive behind Martin Luthor and the Lutheran sect forming? He felt that people should be able to interpret the bible for themselves?
@@charliehunter9257 Books, especially Bibles were prohibitively expensive prior to the printing press. Churches and wealthy individuals were the only people likely to have books; let alone be able to read them. That gave the church its power. I believe the last straw for Luther was Plenary Indulgence. Literally being able to pay the Church to excuse sin.
Did anyone else notice the way the clouds formed on the side of Mt. Ararat facing the wind? Ancient tribes carving huge rocks to study astronomy? The way the mountains formed in the first place? All of that is way more interesting than an ark.
Petition for every decent nerd on the internet to yell at Simon until he reads Good Omens and then watches the tv show. It's a vital humanitarian mission
If he's not even going to skim his scripts ahead of time, he's certainly not going to waste time on that! If he had more time, he'd just start another channel and ask his writers for scripts.
@@curtislindsey1736 yeah, but maybe we could sell it for the snark and satire? Edit: I never thought about it but Simon does kinda have that Crowley "can't even be bothered with the BS" vibe.
If I found out, with Simon being an Englishman, that he hasn't read a single Discworld novel, I'd be tempted to fall out of love with our plentiful content creator. Pratchett was one of a kind.
My introduction of Simon was definitely a delight, I found him on his Science Unbound channel and I remember thinking "damn I wish he had longer videos where he speaks a little more loosely" because the few times he did on Science Unbound made me realise he'd be a joy to watch for a long ass time. Imagine my excitement when I found Decoding The Unknown. 😂😂😂
i don't know which i love more, the good omens opening, or the fact that Simon has no idea what Good Omens is and thought the bible actually said "oh yeah bro the Australians are fine"
Well the flood was real, too much evidence (chevrons) and a "noahs ark" style flood story exists in more than 150 cultures across the world. The ark itself? Thats another story entirely
Gilgamesh and Ziusudra took a few examples of the market animals. Which is really important just below. He built some rafts, loaded up his favorite people and the best market animals and floated around until the water receded. Afterward he built paddocks for the animals and sent his people out to tell the regional neighbors they had livestock for sale. So not only did they know the flood was coming, they knew it would be fairly localized and others would need to replenish their livestock inventories. Over a few thousand years the story changed and there were a lot less people on a giant boat with huge numbers of animals and they set up a vineyard after the waters received. Which is understandable. People didn’t want to hear about how Gilgamesh/Ziusudra used a natural disaster to establish a regional monopoly on livestock. They wanted super awesome magic stuff.
Not Gilgamesh. He was only visiting Ziusudra, who was the Sumerian flood hero. Gilgamesh is ancient enough that we can only guess that he was *probably* based on a historical figure, and Ziusudra was ancient even to him.
This is the most logical interpretation of the flood story tbh, especially with the "global" aspect, plus of course the sheer size and structural integrity the boat would have had to be to fit the entire global life, AND the feed, AND fresh water quantities to care for them, OR the fact animals would have had to be separated in their correct respective ecological systems, OR the fact that flooding does also drown plants, which would cause a global famine, AND with not enough plants for plant eaters to eat, much less not enough prey for predators since supposedly only TWO of every animal was took, and there's not enough livestock to keep them alive even BEFORE a breeding cycle, much less enough to actually successfully breed & reproduce enough for the parents & their offsprings. OR, contrary to what Simon thinks/said, too much incest with animal populations also negatively effect them too, just like the incest would have done to "Noah's family" because there is not enough genetic diversity with "Noah's" family, muchless only a PAIR of reproductive animals. And that's just off of the top of my head in this 3-5 min comment, while listening to Simon from the video. 😂
@@the-chillian not to mention with everything going on with goebleki teppe and karahan teppe and the whole younger dryas impact etc we know that there were civilizations far for advanced far far early then what the standard model of history has put forth for the last 100 years which means even those ancient memories are based on things even earlier, then factor in the whole "telephone game" effect and whatever the original moral lesson or warning/information was etc is completely twisted and forgotten
Sea levels rose significantly about 7000 years ago. They haven’t gone down again. Some of our locals’ “Dreamtime” stories here in Australia tell of places which are now under the sea.
7000 years ago is when the "sudden rise" ENDED. It was a 20,000 year long steady rise during the early Holocene period while glacial ice melted. The rate of the rise was about 2.5 inches per year maximum at the height, but that only lasted about 500 years.
@@AutisticAthena Correct, but it does not rule out the possibility of sudden local cathastrophies that caused a temporary swift rise of waters, like a massive flood, or landslide, or an eartquake because of the wanishing pressure on the earths crust of the melting ice. Some of these events could affect hundreds or thousands of people, and thanks to the survivors the stories of these cathastrophies remained with us though the time, and now we have them as legends and tales. Regarding of Noah's story I can think of a man with his family realising that a cathastrophic flood is near (extraordinary levels of precipitation, etc.), but the affected area will be too large to leave with the herds of animals and family until the assumed start of the event. So he does something that is not in line with the course of action of the other people in the village/town, and begins to build an unusual big raft that has enough place for his family and a few cattle, sheep, goat, etc. from his flock. He plans to board one pair of each species he has at hand because of limited space. And then the flood comes, they survive, and begin a new life. In my opinion a story like this could have been the seed of the biblical story.
@Peter Lehoczky Over on The Why Files there's a video talking about very large scale floods. Here: m.th-cam.com/video/4n3fkTq_p0o/w-d-xo.html Keep in mind he isn't referring directly to Noah's flood. More about why the flood story is found in all cultures. I hope you like it.
@@AutisticAthena A study done over 4 decades by a Queensland uni gathered over 150 separate tribal stories around Australia and matched them to a quick rising of the ocean around 12k/ 10k years ago and a few volcanic eruptions . It was uncannily accurate according to the studied account of the known Geology of Australia separate from the steady rise..
my favorite is the cartoon pictures of the 2-by-2 animals getting on the ark with the lions (obvious because of the nice full manes) labelled "good luck breeding THOSE two"
I've watched tons of Simon's videos across multiple channels, and I do feel compelled to Our Father to admit I do believe the Bible to be the inerrant, Spirit-Inspired, Word of God "Seek and you shall find, ask and you shall receive, knock and the door will be opened to you." May God bless you, Simon, and all your viewers!
On the History Channel, years ago, I saw a decent documentary about this topic. Surprisingly, the conclusion was close to Simons' analysis, in that the most likely explanation was a localized flood that was significant, but not world ending, and that time just blew the story out of proportion.
Every culture in that part of the world has an "ark" tale. Multiple events but just as disastrous in the area they occurred in. In India same story but the "boat" was circular and made of reeds..on and on. If you were in the area of the black sea in 5600 BC it was a nice dry fertile area..then the Atlantic came through and filled the entire area in an estimated 100 days..even a modern human if stuck there would consider it a world ending event. River valleys have flood events, early agriculture was in river valleys. I've never considered all animals being on an ark, however the family livestock definitely would be. God giving a warning? Could have been an excuse to plan ahead, perhaps a God or God's modern substitute aliens. I don't know and don't care. I fully believe there were monumental floods which lived on in legends, embellishments added over the years to teach one lesson or another.
@@Steelmage99 except there is 150 plus civilisations with flood stories. Oh and the giant chevrons on western australia, africa, the channeled scablands in usa etc etc. Oh and the sea level rise of meltwater pulse 1 a and 1 b. About 12000-13000 years ago which raised the ocean by hundreds of feet. Yeah, apart from all that, you mean??
@@someoneunseen5168 humans have been around for a very very long time and everywhere has had at least one disastrous flood. just because several cultures have stories of a disastrous flood it doesn't mean it's the same flood. when it comes to the meltwater even the most extreme claim is 92 ft which highly disputed in itself with evidence showing at most 43ft. last of all the evidence supporting the chevrons you mention being caused by a mega-tsunami can also be the result much more common non world-ending events and similar chevrons have been found in an area Russia caused by volcanic ash far from the reach of a tsunami
@@someoneunseen5168 you can believe whatever you want, but if you're gonna push extraordinary claims onto people as fact you need to have some extraordinary evidence to back it up
Simon, this story is what got me removed from Sunday school at 9. Edit: Irvine Finkel, pretty sure his title is doctor, made a study and built a ship based on information found in the epic of gilgamesh. The ship floated and would have been capable of holding a village of people, their farm animals, and food for both.
@@samb3913 same here, or I'd get "some of the language isn't to be taken literally" Then I'd say "how do u kno what to take literally & what not to"? They'd reply with the "have faith" comments
Yes Simon. People do believe in the ark and in those who say they found it. I was one of them at one point. I was Raised in evangelicalism. Took me twenty yrs to find my way out. LoL
@@scottneil1187 George Carlin has a quote: "I went to church until I reached the age of reason." I also abandoned religion very early on for the same reasons, always getting in trouble for questioning things and not believing in a magic sky wizard.
A French Torah scholar from the 1500s, known as Rashi, wrote in his commentaries on genesis that the ark was on mount Ararat. He doesn't cite a source but clearly the story of the ark being at Mt Ararat way predates the 1970s. I really wonder where the original source of that story is.
Nobody claimed that the Ararat story started in the 1970s. We can never know the original source. It possibly wasn't even written down at the time, just a tale told verbally. Over several thousand years it will have been changed by those that told it or wrote it down. As Simon said, the historical translation of "Ararat" is probably incorrect, and in fact refers to a small Kingdom that existed in that region.
One of my favorite sort of subfields in archaeology and anthropology is where you trace oral traditions and see how common they are across different cultures and regions. Like for instance anthropologist were able to help pinpoint the origin and timing of a mega tsunami that struck North America on the west coast in prehistory, because it was reflected in so many worldwide oral traditions for so many different groups that they figured it was tracing a real event, and actually left traceable effects geologically speaking once they did a little digging, haha. So you have events like this flooding myth that is common throughout the entire Earth. A lot of people think that is because people were relating in oral traditions were recalling when all their lands were slowly inundated when the ice age in question ended, because humans tend to cluster at shorelines and rivers, and in these areas of flooding would have been extremely catastrophic as they quickly in the span of a few generations lost so much of their homes... like the giant, fertile, low-lying plain people lived on in the Paleolithic that once connected the British isles to the mainland. There are sgns of human habitation on an ancient worldwide seashore that now lies about 150 feet underwater because long-standing shorelines were subjected to a new sea level after the water locked up in the ice was returned there. From this event you would have stuff of almost all the ancient flood myths on Earth. As the script mentioned, these areas would be the whole world to these people because they didn't know there was anywhere else, and that was their entire world. In this case I think it's important to recall that oral traditions inform us as to what to look for and even when, sometimes, and definitely help us to figure out certain things that occurred in history that have made such a big impact that they got passed on in mythological form. We can then correlate them with scientific evidence because that way we can pinpoint what they were actually talking about in altered form over the years as you peel away the parts of the story that people came up with for explanations before science was a thing.
I love this! I totally agree with you about how interesting it is! Also, I had no idea that the British isles were connected to the mainland. That is fascinating! Thank you!
There are a lot of ancient shorelines under the Black sea, the idea being the ice age meltwater built up at Istanbul to such a height that when the land bridge was eventually broached the Black sea filled dramatically within living memory from a huge waterfall fwd by the Mediterranean sea.
At my previous job I overheard a conversation between my coworkers, and I'm not even certain what they were talking about, but one lady said something to the effect of "back in biblical times when people lived to be 600 years old..." Like... she wasn't joking. That was her plainly saying that people's life expectancy was over 6 times what is is now the same way I would say "the sky is blue."
Heard an otherwise very intelligent and practical Mormon friend of mine have the exact same tone in his voice when he dismissed the problems of the Middle East because everyone knew the Holy Land was now Utah.
Well all you have to do is look to Methuseleh, the world's oldest man, who according to the bibble or someone who read it lived to be about 864 years old. I went through that right-wing evangelical protestant brainwashing but luckily came out the other side with my dirty brain intact. But yeah, the whole Church of Christ believes that people lived longer "back then" and various other nonsensical ideas that you can only believe if you have "faith."
The Bible lists a family tree of people living between 600-900 years each in the book of Genesis. Interestingly, ages drop to more normal time frames after the flood. That’s where the long-lived people thing comes from.
@@tomorrow4eva Yep, I read all of Genesis, including the "Begats," and they said people lived longer at first for whatever reason. Maybe they didn't write it down, or lost track of the men who lived in between, and went to the next man's name they remembered ...
A bit late here, but here goes: First, an oral tradition of story telling and oral history that doesn't always differentiate between fact and fiction. Second, they were using a lunar calendar at the time, and not a solar calendar like we do now. Third, misinterpretations and mistranslations are common, even today... What if the older local word translated as years actually meant months? "So all the days that Adam lived numbered nine hundred and thirty years" translated to months: 77 and a half years. Not bad even for today.
1:01:45 As someone *with* a vineyard, and quite a large one, I can say that, if the amount of wine you want to produce is around 200kg of wine per year, note that a glass of water is 0.3kg, then the work is pretty small. Withing a day you can do most, if not all, of the branch cutting you will need, by yourself, and, if the vineyard is stationed high, meaning the branches of the trees are tall enough so you won't have to bend your back to access them, you can collect all the grapes, again by yourself within a day. If you manage to go that far by yourself, then turning the grapes into wine would be a piece of cake.
Simon, Wyatt being a Nurse Anesthetist means he had a Doctorate (probably a bright person). This is definitely a case of someone who is an expert in one area, trying to do research outside the realm he studied. You are underselling that here.
I remember back at uni, a professor of mine talked about a catastrophic flood that created the now Black Sea. It was from the Mediterran, causing where the current Black Sea is to rapidly fill up with seawater. This displaced all the people living there, assuming they even survived. His view was this is where the "western world" version of the story comes. (I say that as every culture has a version). From all those nearby who heard or saw the event. Again, this event was roughly 8,000 or so years ago? Something like that. I don't recall what the ecact number was. Interestingly, this location fits the tale, and you can use it how you like. Either it proves that G-d flooded an area by causing (if I remember correctly) part of a glacier to break, or disproves by it being a real event by localised and caused by natural events.
There was a big rise in sea level about 8k to 10k years ago. This caused areas that would've been very appealing to early humans to be flooded. The stories of this period would've been passed down and eventually become the flood myths that exist all over the world. In the case of the Noah myth and the others that have boats, it's likely that a guy just built a boat for his family and maybe some early domesticated animals, and made it to land. Then, as legends do, it changes over time until it's almost unrecognizable.
Same thing happened when the Mediterranean was formed. The straights of Gibraltar breaking, the massive valley gets flooded. This legend is passed down over thousands of years and morphs into Noah's Ark.
Ever culture does not have a world wide flood story. They have local flood stories and even tell the tails as such and never make claimed of them being world wide.
@J B I'm from Tennessee, so don't think my home has the high ground, but Kentucky seemed to go through a weird period of sketchy tourist attractions fueled by tax incentives being put in the middle of nowhere.
Another humor ridden segment where we have no misunderstanding about what Simon sees and believes about the subject matter. The frequent pauses to reflect or inject humor or ridicule in the chuckling Simonesque manner (as only he can do..) are what makes this type of 'less dramatic than usual' content is a joyful thing to behold!
Great things about this video: 1) Simon Whistler 2) The script 3) 'What about mosquitos? Fuck you, Noah!' 4) 'What happened to the sea creatures? I'm not satisfied!' 5) 'Immortal dude sacrificed a sheep.' So, why do we have sheep if they only had one to begin with? And so many more...
While biblical stories are dumb in general there could still be sheep if the sacrificed one was a male and the other was a pregnant female with multiple baby sheeps on the way.
Simon, may I remind you carrier pigeons were crucial in WWII. You can probably still find people who keep and train them. I mean, falconry is still a thing, so why not homing pigeons?
Since it doesn't look like anyone's answered Simon's question about where the water comes from, the explanation (according to professional apologetics) is that the water came from the Firmament and the "wells of the deep". Basically, the way the Bible describes the world as existing is like a snow globe submerged in water. The Firmament is the dome over the snow globe. So God basically opened up windows in the Dome/Sky and the ground and let the water pour in, and then basically pumped it out after. (This is not me endorsing this point of view, I'm just quite experienced with evangelicals (who are the major The Bible Is 100% True and Literal crowd where I live and I have heard this question answered before
@@Man_fay_the_Bru you don't have to believe every word Graham says to see the valid arguments he makes. I hate this idea that everything is only black and white. No nuance, no gray, just polarized. It's pathetic. Like you can't think for yourself? You need to be told by someone you believe in 100% what to think? Graham makes several good arguments based on available evidence. AND he also makes several arguments without much evidence. Wow! Both things can be true at once? No way. Getting people to open their minds to different possibilities is, I would argue, a good thing. The possibility that some structures might be older than we think isn't really that controversial or world changing.. and that possibility only grows more and more likely as we keep pushing back the date of human activity more and more and more. It's certainly worthwhile to look into, which is something I agree with. Archeologists should go in with open minds, and not be bound by dogmatic beliefs. The Clovis First dogma was blown out of the water, and at first when evidence was presented that clovis first was wrong, people ridiculed those guys as well. Now? It's a fact that native Americans lived in America long before that dogma believed. So maybe, just maybe, think for yourself and do your own research. Stop seeing the world in black and white. You'll be doing yourself and the world a favor.
Hey Simon, great video! Just to answer the question about dating materials-- Archaeologists can date stone items, it's just not done via carbon dating. Carbon dating actually requires the material to be made of carbon, essentially a living thing. They can use other chemistry dating techniques to measure the object's erosion or how long the sun's been hitting it, which can also essentially tell you when the object was dated. Not an Archaeologist so I don't know any of the specific names, and I'm sure there are plenty more that I'm forgetting about. Just wanted to help! Thanks for the great content!
The branches of science( physics, biology, geology, chemistry) provide too much evidence such that the literal account of the Ark is impossible to accept.
@Simon there is an annual "Concrete Boat" race for colleges every year (the Tech schools like MIT and FIT etc like to get in on it). But yeah, building a boat out of stone is such a challenge it is an annual competition. -Shawn
Archaeologist here: Dating petroglyphs is actually kind of a massive conundrum in my field. Of course, with that being said, if someone asked me to date something because they think it’s Noah’s Ark turned to stone, I would simply call the police and ask them to do a welfare check on the obviously insane person I had just spoken to.
@tealyoung2178 According to the Bible, the flood occurred in 2350 BC , and we are now 2024 AD. Just for the sake of the argument, how big would the chances of finding identifiable parts of a primitive wooden vessel in the middel east after almost 4400 years be?
True religion as defined in James is to visit orphans and widows in their distress. You call that weird. What’s actually weird are blasphemers like you trying to convince yourself and others the Bible is wrong.
@@carlwalker3557 Have you actually read the bible?? It's full of stories that are completely impossible and/or have been verified to be "wrong". I thought most Christians were past the whole "The bible is the infallible word of god". They don't even prescribe to a literal interpretation in seminary school! Here are a few examples that scholars, historians, archeologist, paleontologists, other scientists, and even seminary scholars at the Vatican have identified as historical inaccuracies or inconsistencies and impossibilities: The Creation Timeline: The book of Genesis presents a creation story that unfolds over six days, which contradicts the scientific understanding of the Earth's formation over billions of years and the evolution of life. The Exodus: The story of the Israelites' exodus from Egypt, led by Moses, is a foundational narrative in the Bible. However, archaeological evidence for such a mass migration, which would have been a significant event in ancient Egypt, is lacking. The Census in the Birth of Jesus: The Gospel of Luke mentions a census conducted by Quirinius, the Roman governor of Syria, that required everyone to return to their ancestral homes. Historical records suggest that Quirinius' governorship and the census occurred much later than the birth of Jesus and did not require people to travel to ancestral homes. The Conquest of Canaan: The book of Joshua describes the Israelites' conquest of Canaan after the Exodus from Egypt. Archaeological evidence does not fully support the widespread and rapid conquest described; some cities mentioned as destroyed were either uninhabited at the time or continued to exist uninterrupted. King David's Empire: While King David is a central figure in the Bible, the archaeological evidence for the vast empire attributed to him is sparse. Some scholars argue that his kingdom, if it existed, might have been smaller and less influential than described. The Walls of Jericho: The Bible describes the walls of Jericho falling to the Israelites, led by Joshua. Archaeological excavations suggest that the walls of Jericho were not standing at the time they were supposed to have fallen to the Israelites. The Global Flood and Noah's Ark: The story of Noah's Ark, in which the entire Earth is flooded to destroy all life except for Noah, his family, and pairs of every animal species housed in an ark, directly contradicts all available biological evidence, including the genetic diversity evidence, and the minimum founding population requirements. There is no evidence of a global flood covering all landmasses, and the logistics of housing, feeding, and caring for pairs of all animal species is beyond feasibility. The Tower of Babel: The story of the Tower of Babel, where humanity's single language is confounded into many by God, conflicts with linguistic and anthropological studies that trace the evolution of languages over thousands of years. Jonah and the Whale: The account of Jonah living inside a whale (or large fish) for three days is biologically impossible. A human surviving inside a whale in the manner described in the Bible is simply not possible or consistent with whale biology. The Sun Standing Still: In the book of Joshua, it is claimed that the sun stood still in the sky to allow the Israelites more time to win a battle. This would imply a cessation of the Earth's rotation, which would have catastrophic consequences. The list goes on and on and on... I'm not saying you don't have a right to your beliefs, or that you shouldn't have faith in something, but none of the worlds "holy books" are a reliable source for historical information.
@@carlwalker3557 But the Bible is wrong. It's full of ridiculous nonsense. It's from times where humans did not know much, and could not do better. Today, they know more, and should do better.
Good omens is actually really good! I think it's on amazon Prime or maybe Disney plus? (Here in Canada) it actually blew away my expectations. It sat in my watch list for months but once I finally got around to it, it was wonderful. Highly recommend, dammit being reminded of it reminded me how bad I want a season 2 -_-
Interestingly the Epic of Gilgamesh while the first significant recorded narrative is still just a collection of earlier myths and stories squashed into a cohesive singular text. Unfortunately we don't have a single complete version of it as yet - unless it turns out that some of the many cuneiform tablets yet to be translated in museums contain the missing pieces.
Crosses on the anchor stones?!?!? Noah and Family were JEWISH! The cross is not a symbol of Monotheist 'God' (Yahweh, Jehovah etc.) until AFTER Jesus was crucified and resurrected. How can a so called Christian enthusiast NOT REMEMBER THAT!?!?!?!
Fun fact: Ben Franklin was a huge proponent of the metric system and the United States sent a delegation to France to get the standards. English privateers attacked that ship and sank it killing everyone on board. The English who created the imperial measurement system and bitch the loudest about Americans continuing to use the system they created are the reason why Americans weren't amongst the first to adopt the metric system.
You should check out Dr. Irving Finkel’s talk about Noah’s ark. He’s one of the worlds foremost Assyriologists and a curator from the British museum (and my favorite big brain to listen to next to Fact Boy). Super entertaining and informative. He also has a video on “the first ghosts” that might make a good Into the Shadows episode.
Yeah, absolutely. The more you delve into Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Canaanite myth, legend and history, the more you realise that the whole bible is just full of retcons and renames strung together into a cohesive (but badly edited) narrative that is context appropriate to the Hebrews for the Old Testament (Torah), and the Graeco-Romans for the New Testament (Gospels). Finding out that Hebrew language is just a dialect of Canaanite was a real glass breaker moment for me. The later Canaanite chief god named Baal basically fits the description of Yahweh in every manner, and the older Canaanite chief god being called El is just a mic drop on the entie bible - the Israelites literally fused the 2 major Canaanite chief gods into one, and so many epithets of Yahweh and his angels are some derivative of El (El Shaddai, Raphael, Gabriel, Sataniel etc etc). The only way to take that is that the Israelites were a Canaanite sub group - probably formed as a city state in Canaan during the Egyptian New Kingdom dominion of the area attested in the Merneptah stele.
The story of Noah's ark may have been inspired by the black sea deluge, a theorized flood that may have happened around 9000 years ago. The Mediterranean sea would have spilled over into the black sea due to melting ice sheets, causing the shoreline of the black sea to expand inland by up to 100km
That's what I think too. Along with the Black Sea the Red Sea may have just been a river during the last ice age until the ice melted and and a massive flood may have rapidly happened there too. To those people it would have seemed like the whole world flooded.
There's also a possibility of a meteor hitting Greenland 12,000 years ago and creating a huge tsunami that ransacked the Sahara killed of Saber toothed cats and other mega fauna 12,000 years ago, due to the younger dryas caused by the meteor. It's also theorized to be the flood that drowned Atlantis 12,000 years ago.
I had a boyfriend who truly thought everything in the Bible was literal. He found a recent article at the time that claimed to have found Noah’s arc. He couldn’t understand that the entire earth couldn’t flood. A giant cruise ship wouldn’t be able to fit every animal; especially all the animals & plants that need to be fed to others etc. Fresh water & salt water animals both finding themselves in unlivable conditions when it combined.. He was semi nice though 😅
I laughed out loud many times during this episode but not as much as when you were addressing your pigeon audience members. How many pigeon subscribers do you have? Do they own their own phones/computers, or do they borrow them? Do they ever comment? Do you know which subjects they prefer to watch?
Trapped in a basement. Victims can end up abusing others how they were. Hence there are rules about how to not commit crimes that I heard somewhere else.
He knows very little about The Bible even though he went to some posh Anglican private school where they required students to study The Bible. I think the only thing he got out of that school was his posh accent along with a thorough knowledge of what candy shops sell.
@@charlottef87 I learned long ago not to expect much in the way of general knowledge from Simon, so it makes no difference to me whether he knows the Bible thoroughly, although I would like to see him show at least the same level of knowledge as what an elementary school student who goes to Sunday school might have. As for his bank account, that's irrelevant because I didn't say, "Hey, this guy makes far more money than he otherwise would if he had to actually think for a living."
at 1:20 shout out to my guys A. Crawley and Aziraphael...it's a good omen for this video... Edit: a few minutes later... love this writer, same page!!!
I love your response to the writers jokes, I am also extremely fascinated by urban myths and legends so DecodingtheUnkown is perfect! Also the long form content helps me stay entertained while im waiting for pins to chase at work lol.
When I was stationed in Turkey, I went on a tour group to Antioch and St. Peter's Grotto in Western Turkey. Along the way, the group took a lunch break at the site of a large stone marker at the place where legend says that Jonah was was spat out by the great fish. There are actually a lot of similar markers around the Eastern Mediterranean. Still, it was an interesting place to stop for our noon repast. Yeah, tourism.
Tourism is an industry that has apparently been around since there were people. I would not be shocked if the first city didn't have a dude giving tours to traders and showing them the Rock where the first king was born a million years prior. Also, please buy a souvenir to take home with you. It's a great deal.
@@MrDalisclock sometimes I think that "tourism" is just the modern version of "pilgrimage". It's going somewhere to see things and spend money, after all. There were always people at pilgrimage sites selling the gen-u-ine fingerbones of Saint Augustine or some such nonsense.
For anyone who wants to see, someone came up with a lot of info on the ark, look up Irving Finkel, The Ark Before Noah: A Great Adventure on TH-cam. Great watch if you are a history buff.
My parents and siblings believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible and have made a few trips to the Ark Encounter place in Tennessee (I think). Huge sort of creationist theme park built to scale based on the Bible’s description. Personally I’m a huge skeptic of the literal interpretation of the story but I do have to wonder whether or not the Ark Encounter would float if there was a flash flood.
The ark would roll over and sink .large wooden ships arent feasible they usually twist and break themselves apart its been tried in the past and it dosent work
Can someone tell me why on the thumbnail it says Noah's (as) Ark? What does the (as) part mean? Does it stand for something? I've wanted to know since this video was released
Hope Simon sees this. Not only was I raised religious, my family took me to a church which believed the literal interpretation of the bible. The priests son went to a Christian college and his final project for one of the semesters was a PowerPoint presentation that "proved" creationism and the idea that the earth (and universe) was about 6,000 years old. I was about 14 at that time and already didn't believe in god. It was wild to watch as someone with that perspective surrounded by people who did Believe. I distinctly remember my mom laughing at the idea that people believed the earth was billions of years old on the drive home.
It's the same thing with "flat earthers". It isn't about the facts, they just want to be part of a group that shares the same beliefs. They feel "in the know" so they can look down on those who believe in the "official story".
Why would there be crosses on the drogue stones if Noah and the Ark happened in the Old Testament? Noah would have followed the Abrahamic God, not the Christian God and Jesus was still several begat-ings away plus 30 or so years for the actual crucifixion. So, why would a Christian cross be used to represent Noah and his family? Also, when Simon says "language barrier" who else is just imagining a middle-aged American SCREAMING at Turkish people in English "WHERE IS THE MOUNTAIN WITH THE BOAT ON IT!?"
Pigeons, 600 miles in a day, thats the only thing I believe is true in this whole episode. It 's the longest episode of "would I lie to you " ive ever watched. Fascinating as always.
One question has always had me scratching my head. The logistics of feeding the animals for that period of time let alone everything else . There were many miracles it would seem for this story not to confuse everyone that reads it .
I guess you just need to feed them enough to keep them alive, you dont need to keep them healthy. Like you wouldnt feed the cows as much as youd feed a cow youre trying to sell or milk. You just need it to survive. I imagine if this was real, every body on that boat would be starving and emaciated.
@@ErisApplebottom well you don't need to if god makes you not need to eat. handy so you don't need multiples of the animals that are food for the carnivores.
@@lasskinn474 this is the weirdest part for me, this is such a common honest answer I see from Christians. "God made them not need to eat. God made the boat float. God temporarily changed the physiology of every sea creature in the planet so they'd survive in fresh water, then changed them back later"... I mean, if he was gonna do that, why make the boat? Why anything at that point, just make the planet stop existing, recreate a perfect copy of it but only with Noah's family in there and skip the whole thing. It's so weird man.
While listening to this I suddenly wanted Every arc/flood story to be true (in some sense.) If there were dozens or hundreds of arcs it would be a better story.
The only problem I’ve ever had with any of these theories of where the ark may be, is that if this large structure was all that was left after a flood, wouldn’t it be logical to re-purposed all the remaining timbers from it to rebuild their society therefore, there would be nothing left
I hadn't thought of that, but it makes perfect sense. That was a brilliant comment! Thank you!
My problem is that there is zero evidence for a global deluge during the time frame that humans* have existed.
That's exactly right! I fully believe that of the ark was real, the family would take it apart and make their houses.
Perhaps that may be the very reason the ark wasn't taken apart. For if they had taken it apart then there wouldn't be any evidence to confound the sceptics of our day.
Just the fact that the GPR and resistivity scans of the Durupinar ship-like object proves it's a manmade structure proves the wisdom of Noah of not dismantling the ark. Perhaps with his greater wisdom he envisioned our days.
Even if that were true, you have other cultures that were thriving. Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Sumerians, Egyptians, Nordic and Slavic cultures. They were not affected by a flood.
And even if we entertained your thought that the Ark was real, the story it's tied to is a fairy tale in a book that also says wearing a flannel shirt while eating shrimp is a sin.
Christianity is a cult that stole ideas from other cultures (mostly Pagan) then claimed them as there own.
Simon, inbreeding is a huge problem in animals...
Aaaaand West Virginia
See Pugs & Bulldogs for a great example
I looked straight away for this comment!
Its super bad in chickens haha
But like, if you’re into the whole thing, then they’re closer to god’s purity from Adam, and were genetically superior than anyone alive today… allegedly… so it’s no problem if the humans inbred because of the divine light, or some hoohaa
We've finally gotten to the point where Simon is basically scientifically asking "what is the airspeed and velocity of a swallow"
And I'm totally here for it
"What do you mean? An African or a European swallow?"
@@willmfrank African swallows are non-migratory, you know.
@@willmfrank When you are a king you have to know these things......
@@willmfrank "I don't know -- AAAAHHHHHHHH!!"
Blue. I mean yellooooooow….
Imagine there were like 5-10 arks all floating around at the same time. One passes another like “god told you?” Other ark “yeah god told us too” *another ark from the distance* “hey did god tell you guys to build a boat and get animals too” *all confused*
😅😅😅
Wouldn't an all-powerful God be able to keep them all from noticing each other?
@@sammehlberg6664this not a joke right?
@@Deathmaster2100 why would it be?
@@sammehlberg6664because god's make believe.
4:50 - Chapter 1 - The story of Noah
14:00 - Chapter 2 - Was there an ark to begin with ?
21:00 - Chapter 3 - Ark Fever
23:05 - Chapter 4 - The durupinar site
25:35 - Chapter 5 - The discoveries of ron wyatt
40:45 - Chapter 6 - Mount Ararat
56:50 - Chapter 7 - Mount Judi
1:05:00 - Chapter 8 - Will the ark ever be found ?
1:08:35 - Conclusion
Not all heroes wear capes...
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@@YusufGinnah the ones that don't clearly have too much time on their hands ha...jokes 😉
You're that man Thanks
way to ruin the surprise.....you could have rounded the times....sigh
Simon’s daftness never fails to amuse.
"What happened to the sea creatures?" Simon asks. Well, Simon, since there was only enough room for the land animals and the birds, the fish were left to fend for themselves and they all drowned. Obviously.
Yeah that's kind of a stupid question 😆 🤣 😂
Surely all fish would survive in water of any salinity...
@@pop5678eye not all fish no. But lots would. Thats why we find fossils of prehistoric fish that dint exist anymore
@@KarstRatslogic isn't your strong suit is it?.
I’d think, all of the sea creatures would obviously thrive and populate the entire earth but after the water disappeares, you’d have to have
A) a huge influx of fish evident by more fossils or
B) a strange amount of fish skeletons on what should be land
Cool thing about the flood myth:
Considering the oldest version of the flood myth is found in the Sumerian language, this might be the oldest and longest continually told story in all of human history.
That is fascinating.
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What's the earliest recorded 'Yo mama' joke?
not cool thing about the flood myth: its the 21st century and an alarming number of dolts think its true..
@@AndrewGivens that's what she said.
Not by a long shot- look into the aboriginal dream time oral histories that go back thousands of years to when Australia was not as isolated from Southeast Asia when the ocean level was lower.
@@bluebagelman1920 oral histories are entirely impossible to accurately date.
a man telling you a story is really old with no record other than his word.. plus aboriginals had no system of numbers to count. so yea... HOW would they even begin to know how old a story is? it could be 300 years old and neither they nor you would know the difference..
they DONT COUNT ( as in numbers) how could anyone verify the age of a single story unless someone ELSE wrote it down?
God being a wrathful deity in the Old Testament and then being a Merciful deity in the New Testament is like starting season 2 of a show and finding out the main character was recast to be someone more likeable.
Except God is still a dick and wrathful in the new testament, but is more subtle and targeted with it.
You need to read/listen to the late Michael Heisner.
God hasn’t changed, dealing with humanity and the entities rebelling against Him is the same. It’s not just something we are reading in the Bible.
And he is supposedly never changing
God did the opposite of Dumbledore
I love how Wyatt managed to find so many actual interesting archeological pieces but just completely misconstrued what all of it was because he wanted it to be Noah's Ark.
I'm not saying that Wyatt is an out and out con man. Then again, I'm not 'not' saying it either.
No proof of god
@yaitstac7267 an excerpt from
"NOAH, Another Storm Is Coming"
The Flood is a story God wants to be told. It occupies more than a third of the first chapters of Genesis -- chapters that chronicle the first 2000 years of earth's history. More chapters are devoted to the Flood of Noah's day than even the Creation record.
Indeed, the credibility of the canon of Scripture, and even that of Jesus, are seriously challenged if the veracity of the global Flood (or Deluge) in Noah's day is denied. And to trivialize or undermine the story of Noah builds a segue way to ultimate denial of faith.
Both Jesus and the apostles spoke about the historicity and universality of the Flood. And they both saw encapsulated in the Flood account an insight into the future of a world -- a world that would rekindle the flames of unbridled passions and be so stupefied by pleasure that it would not even sense the tsunami approaching as it sits on the sands of time.
As in the days of Noah, the storm is gathering again!
@@tomperone9338 But are you not "not" not saying it?
There is desperation in the evangelical sphere to prove the bible as factual. As archaeology and science advance the bible is looking more and more like myth. Evangelicals will desperate grab anything they think can offer just a tiny bit of proof.
The other problem is that christian 'colleges' are pumping out poorly trained, badly educated scientists and historians that have one purpose to bury the real science and history under fraud, especially in internet searches. An example just 5 years ago a search on the historicity of Jesus would bring up a balanced listing and real person with the three divisions of just a Rabi, A prophet or god vs just a myth. Today there is a flood of links back to evangelical sources that declare jesus real and god.
Finally you have the true grifters and con artists. A few years back I read about a geologist who was for hire to speak at any church and preach the lie that carbon dating is wrong, scientists are frauds and the earth is 6000 years old. The most sickening thing was this man was a well respected scientist/professor of geology who had decades worth of peer reviewed papers, on subjects like dating some of the oldest rock formations as millions to billions of years old.
Simon should make merch with "What about the sea creatures?" written on it.
"What about the sea creatures?" is the new "Won't somebody please think of the children"
That’s easy the sea creatures don’t need to be on the ark since they already live in the water whether that’s lakes, oceans, seas, whatever no point in putting them on an ark.
Simon being super proud of pigeons made my day 😆
I laughed hard AF at that part 🤣
Properly mental, pidgeons... fly off somewhere warm!
Simon’s reaction to pigeons is the best part of this episode 😂
Came for this comment! I loved that reaction!
Simon does such an incredible job reading these scripts... I'm amazed he can put so much inflection and emphasis on the words as he goes. It's so smooth and sounds like it's his own words off the top of his head!
And as I sat here actually watching the video I noticed just how much Jenn does and she's excellent! Such smooth cuts and transitions! Absolutely seamless! Incredible!
Thank you :)
@@decodingtheunknown2373 You are an epic presenter, Simon. Love what you and your staff do.✌️😸
Yes he does, and seen plenty of videos where he just stuck to a script and thought it was all him, and then seeing him interjecting his own thoughts on first reads, cracks me up getting to see more of the real him 😆
I was just thinking this a moment ago, astounded at his ability to read these long scripts so effortlessly
Gotta read out loud more. If you don't use it you lose it.
I frickin love it when Simon switches from “reading off a teleprompter” mode to “Wait WHAT did I just read?!?!” mode 😂😂😂 PIGEONS
I come for the unending skepticism from Simon, but come on...How do you not know Good Omens?!? Michael Sheen, David Tennant in an adaptation of Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett's masterpiece.
Seriously, Good Omens is one of The Best books of all time. And while the show is not quite as perfect an adaption as the LotR movies, it is still excellent.
Great adaptation of a great book.
@@alchemander It got way closer than I'd hoped, though. ♥
I’ve never heard of it until this episode of DtU.
Simon can't handle a generic fantasy, of course, he never heard of Good Omens. Nor would he be able to handle a book full of angels, demons, prophecies, etc.
"Creationist Geologist"
To me, this sounds about as legit as:
- Animist Mathematician
- Shaman Engineer
- Ley Line Physicist
- Karma Attorney
- Cloud Castle Mason
- ...
Thats some Rimworld résumé shit.
Karma attorney is wild af
Let's just say there really was an ark and a flood, wouldn't Noah after the flood disassemble the ark and use the wood and materials to build his house, barns, and whatever was left for firewood? If there was indeed an ark it's surely gone by now. Basically looking for something that's long gone.
I've had similar thoughts but a potential counter-argument could be that it would be too difficult to haul the lumber several thousand feet back down a mountain to a more habitable elevation. Without lumber or other means of building a shelter, they might just dig their homes out of the ground for a while until stuff grew back. Could be why Turkey is absolutely littered with underground cities ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly, why not just stay in the boat? Let the animals out and you have a mansion for yourself? Given it was common to burn structures to harvest the melted metal bits, it wouldn’t last long… that and the wood eating worms and various rot the lumber would be prone to. Noah made the boat, not god. No 5yr warranty 😜
Logic doesn’t exist in religious fervor
You'd think people would think of that.
Don't be silly, noah was human, he'd have built his house over the ark and kept it in his basement. It's guaranteed to come in useful at some point 😂
Just started watching. Oh my goodness does Simon sound like my dad. My dad sometimes goes on an Anti-Catholic/Anti-Bible rants. He went to a French Catholic school, and he asked too many questions. He often ends the rants with "I know, I'm asking the wrong questions. It's all a big secret. I'm going to end up upside down in a garbage can in the basement if I keep asking these questions" Apparently, the nuns were very mean to my dad in his youth.
We're not the best at answering questions for some reason
You're surprised at mean nuns? These are the same people who built an actual electric chair at a Canadian Residential School for "punishment"...
Mums were cnts back then mate🤷♂️
@@CharleyHorse33 Ah yes, all Nuns are Canadian.
@@bobSeigar no, all nuns are capable of being very mean and cruel
Good Omens was a novel by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman. It was made into a show with 6 episodes starring David Tennant as Crowley and Michael Sheen as Aziraphale. It was very entertaining and very well done!
agreed, it should be the standard teaching tool for the biblical sagas
The second series of Good Omens has already been filmed, should be released soon.
Read About Eberhart Zimmerman and the declaration by the Pope of the late 18th century that the Flood is a Myth!!!
Good Omens was sooo brilliant. The book was superb. I’m surprised at you Mr Whistler for not having read Terry Pratchett and/or Neil Gaiman!
There was also a flood story in the U.S. with the native american peoples and new geological theories support this.- a flood caused my sudden glacier melt and breakage. But it only lasted hours or days in most parts. It did leaves behind some massive lakes. And canyons.
The sea creatures were fine Simon. You see, they totally survived against what would have been a massive change in salinity. It makes sense if you don’t think about it!
Cod moves in mysterious ways.
@@peterkotara😂😂😂😂😂
This is all based on the assumption that God is real so if you believe God is real. And you could imagine he could speak the universe into existence. He could probably control the salt in the water for the fishies But you're not looking from the perspective of belief or from other peoples shoes.you're just looking from a disrespectful position of knowing. * assuming you know lol either way its irrelivent to your and mine meaningless life just gonna pain to death.. but the only thing that is shown is that you don't have respect... none of us know what's going on lol quiet shitty that you're content with that behavior but i guess thats what we're made of ;) it would be programmed into you
Or some did and some didn't
Im pretty sure there are places where saline and fresh water meet but don't mix. Technically possible for a similar situation. Especially given the localized flood that it would've been rather than a global flood.
The resistography is used in some rock to find differences in how the electricity moves through various materials, and so when you do it layer by layer you can form a picture of anything that might be there. We use it sometimes in archaeology to show us where to dig.
"Good Omens" is awesome. Its pretty cleverly written and really funny! I think you'd enjoy it, Simon.
I don't, Simon can't handle even generic fantasy.
I discovered the book years ago and really enjoyed it. I was very pleased to find out who the two main actors would be when it was turned into a movie. I was not disappointed but I do agree with the previous comment that Simon very well may not like it.
I got in trouble in Sunday school when I was like 8. Noah's son Ham left after seeing his father drunk and naked; and apparently became the first king of Babylon. My question was, who built the city and who did he rule over if everyone was dead from the flood? That's when I learned that most churches don't like you reading on your own. They like to present little snippets of the Bible in the best light that follows the narrative they want. If you actually read the whole book, it gets harder and harder to believe any of it.
I asked my catechism teacher, "If children are innocent in God's eyes, why didn't he instruct Noah to save all the children too? Why did God kill Children?"
It earned me a nice cracking on the knuckles by the Nun.
Remember asking my Sunday school teacher, who used a cane, why she'd teach Sunday school when Leviticus says she's going to hell for coming to church with an injury.
It...did not go well for me lol.
Wasn't this basically the entire drive behind Martin Luthor and the Lutheran sect forming? He felt that people should be able to interpret the bible for themselves?
@@charliehunter9257 Books, especially Bibles were prohibitively expensive prior to the printing press. Churches and wealthy individuals were the only people likely to have books; let alone be able to read them. That gave the church its power. I believe the last straw for Luther was Plenary Indulgence. Literally being able to pay the Church to excuse sin.
i always wondered the same thimg about cain leaving adam and eve, and then going and marrying a woman elsewhere. makes no sense!
Did anyone else notice the way the clouds formed on the side of Mt. Ararat facing the wind? Ancient tribes carving huge rocks to study astronomy? The way the mountains formed in the first place? All of that is way more interesting than an ark.
Petition for every decent nerd on the internet to yell at Simon until he reads Good Omens and then watches the tv show. It's a vital humanitarian mission
I’m disappointed that every comment isn’t saying this.
If he's not even going to skim his scripts ahead of time, he's certainly not going to waste time on that! If he had more time, he'd just start another channel and ask his writers for scripts.
Simon has been clear that he hates fantasy. He can't even do Star Wars, much less anything Neil Gaiman.
@@curtislindsey1736 yeah, but maybe we could sell it for the snark and satire?
Edit: I never thought about it but Simon does kinda have that Crowley "can't even be bothered with the BS" vibe.
If I found out, with Simon being an Englishman, that he hasn't read a single Discworld novel, I'd be tempted to fall out of love with our plentiful content creator. Pratchett was one of a kind.
I was raised a creationist and bible literalist. I had multiple gold medals in mental gymnastics. I gave those up when I grew a brain.
My introduction of Simon was definitely a delight, I found him on his Science Unbound channel and I remember thinking "damn I wish he had longer videos where he speaks a little more loosely" because the few times he did on Science Unbound made me realise he'd be a joy to watch for a long ass time. Imagine my excitement when I found Decoding The Unknown. 😂😂😂
The casual criminalist also
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Can't wait till you find the rest....😂
Wait till you find Brain Blaze 😂
@@alexissey4023Came to suggest the Blaze 😁👍
i don't know which i love more, the good omens opening, or the fact that Simon has no idea what Good Omens is and thought the bible actually said "oh yeah bro the Australians are fine"
I think Simon would get a kick out of Good Omens.
@@templarw20 absolutely agree
well according to the babble, australia doesnt even exist.
Well the flood was real, too much evidence (chevrons) and a "noahs ark" style flood story exists in more than 150 cultures across the world.
The ark itself? Thats another story entirely
Gilgamesh and Ziusudra took a few examples of the market animals. Which is really important just below.
He built some rafts, loaded up his favorite people and the best market animals and floated around until the water receded. Afterward he built paddocks for the animals and sent his people out to tell the regional neighbors they had livestock for sale.
So not only did they know the flood was coming, they knew it would be fairly localized and others would need to replenish their livestock inventories.
Over a few thousand years the story changed and there were a lot less people on a giant boat with huge numbers of animals and they set up a vineyard after the waters received.
Which is understandable. People didn’t want to hear about how Gilgamesh/Ziusudra used a natural disaster to establish a regional monopoly on livestock. They wanted super awesome magic stuff.
Not Gilgamesh. He was only visiting Ziusudra, who was the Sumerian flood hero.
Gilgamesh is ancient enough that we can only guess that he was *probably* based on a historical figure, and Ziusudra was ancient even to him.
This is the most logical interpretation of the flood story tbh, especially with the "global" aspect, plus of course the sheer size and structural integrity the boat would have had to be to fit the entire global life, AND the feed, AND fresh water quantities to care for them, OR the fact animals would have had to be separated in their correct respective ecological systems, OR the fact that flooding does also drown plants, which would cause a global famine, AND with not enough plants for plant eaters to eat, much less not enough prey for predators since supposedly only TWO of every animal was took, and there's not enough livestock to keep them alive even BEFORE a breeding cycle, much less enough to actually successfully breed & reproduce enough for the parents & their offsprings.
OR, contrary to what Simon thinks/said, too much incest with animal populations also negatively effect them too, just like the incest would have done to "Noah's family" because there is not enough genetic diversity with "Noah's" family, muchless only a PAIR of reproductive animals.
And that's just off of the top of my head in this 3-5 min comment, while listening to Simon from the video. 😂
@@jonhall2274 A child could poke holes in the ark argument yo, ya didn't need to type all that out lmao
@@the-chillian not to mention with everything going on with goebleki teppe and karahan teppe and the whole younger dryas impact etc we know that there were civilizations far for advanced far far early then what the standard model of history has put forth for the last 100 years which means even those ancient memories are based on things even earlier, then factor in the whole "telephone game" effect and whatever the original moral lesson or warning/information was etc is completely twisted and forgotten
@@johnforce8057 Ok Graham.
Sea levels rose significantly about 7000 years ago. They haven’t gone down again. Some of our locals’ “Dreamtime” stories here in Australia tell of places which are now under the sea.
7000 years ago is when the "sudden rise" ENDED. It was a 20,000 year long steady rise during the early Holocene period while glacial ice melted. The rate of the rise was about 2.5 inches per year maximum at the height, but that only lasted about 500 years.
@@AutisticAthena Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense.
@@AutisticAthena Correct, but it does not rule out the possibility of sudden local cathastrophies that caused a temporary swift rise of waters, like a massive flood, or landslide, or an eartquake because of the wanishing pressure on the earths crust of the melting ice. Some of these events could affect hundreds or thousands of people, and thanks to the survivors the stories of these cathastrophies remained with us though the time, and now we have them as legends and tales.
Regarding of Noah's story I can think of a man with his family realising that a cathastrophic flood is near (extraordinary levels of precipitation, etc.), but the affected area will be too large to leave with the herds of animals and family until the assumed start of the event. So he does something that is not in line with the course of action of the other people in the village/town, and begins to build an unusual big raft that has enough place for his family and a few cattle, sheep, goat, etc. from his flock. He plans to board one pair of each species he has at hand because of limited space. And then the flood comes, they survive, and begin a new life. In my opinion a story like this could have been the seed of the biblical story.
@Peter Lehoczky
Over on The Why Files there's a video talking about very large scale floods. Here: m.th-cam.com/video/4n3fkTq_p0o/w-d-xo.html Keep in mind he isn't referring directly to Noah's flood. More about why the flood story is found in all cultures. I hope you like it.
@@AutisticAthena A study done over 4 decades by a Queensland uni gathered over 150 separate tribal stories around Australia and matched them to a quick rising of the ocean around 12k/ 10k years ago and a few volcanic eruptions . It was uncannily accurate according to the studied account of the known Geology of Australia separate from the steady rise..
Simon, you need to be more famous bro. I watch ALL of your channels. And you kill it all the time. Brilliant my man.
Is it even possible to know how many channels Simon is on?!?! 😂
I think my favorite thing about Simon reading these stories are his hilarious tangents. 😂
Thats what happens when you've been in the Basement far too long...
Pigeons 600 MI good for them love it!😊🙃😁😆😅😂🤣😍💗💕💞🥰😘
The most mind-blowing part of this video is Simon's ignorance of "Good Omens" by Neil Gaiman and Sir Terry Pratchett
my favorite is the cartoon pictures of the 2-by-2 animals getting on the ark with the lions (obvious because of the nice full manes) labelled "good luck breeding THOSE two"
cartoons is just lazy - in toys the gay lions are normal as they just put in 2 of each off the production line. It is an hilarious situation
I've watched tons of Simon's videos across multiple channels, and I do feel compelled to Our Father to admit I do believe the Bible to be the inerrant, Spirit-Inspired, Word of God
"Seek and you shall find, ask and you shall receive, knock and the door will be opened to you."
May God bless you, Simon, and all your viewers!
Before even watching the video, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that Simon will NOT be convinced that Noah's Ark was found.
On the History Channel, years ago, I saw a decent documentary about this topic. Surprisingly, the conclusion was close to Simons' analysis, in that the most likely explanation was a localized flood that was significant, but not world ending, and that time just blew the story out of proportion.
Of course.
There are entire civilizations that lived through the supposed "Flood", without noticing all the water.
Every culture in that part of the world has an "ark" tale.
Multiple events but just as disastrous in the area they occurred in.
In India same story but the "boat" was circular and made of reeds..on and on.
If you were in the area of the black sea in 5600 BC it was a nice dry fertile area..then the Atlantic came through and filled the entire area in an estimated 100 days..even a modern human if stuck there would consider it a world ending event.
River valleys have flood events, early agriculture was in river valleys.
I've never considered all animals being on an ark, however the family livestock definitely would be.
God giving a warning? Could have been an excuse to plan ahead, perhaps a God or God's modern substitute aliens. I don't know and don't care.
I fully believe there were monumental floods which lived on in legends, embellishments added over the years to teach one lesson or another.
@@Steelmage99 except there is 150 plus civilisations with flood stories.
Oh and the giant chevrons on western australia, africa, the channeled scablands in usa etc etc.
Oh and the sea level rise of meltwater pulse 1 a and 1 b. About 12000-13000 years ago which raised the ocean by hundreds of feet.
Yeah, apart from all that, you mean??
@@someoneunseen5168 humans have been around for a very very long time and everywhere has had at least one disastrous flood. just because several cultures have stories of a disastrous flood it doesn't mean it's the same flood. when it comes to the meltwater even the most extreme claim is 92 ft which highly disputed in itself with evidence showing at most 43ft. last of all the evidence supporting the chevrons you mention being caused by a mega-tsunami can also be the result much more common non world-ending events and similar chevrons have been found in an area Russia caused by volcanic ash far from the reach of a tsunami
@@someoneunseen5168 you can believe whatever you want, but if you're gonna push extraordinary claims onto people as fact you need to have some extraordinary evidence to back it up
Simon, this story is what got me removed from Sunday school at 9.
Edit: Irvine Finkel, pretty sure his title is doctor, made a study and built a ship based on information found in the epic of gilgamesh. The ship floated and would have been capable of holding a village of people, their farm animals, and food for both.
Let me guess, did you ask logical questions? I was that kid. I was told to stop questioning and to instead "have faith."
All hail Satan the glorious rebel against the the genocidal sky toddler and giver of truth and knowledge!
No he didn't lol.
@@samb3913 same here, or I'd get "some of the language isn't to be taken literally"
Then I'd say "how do u kno what to take literally & what not to"?
They'd reply with the "have faith" comments
A lot of peoples from all over the world have flood myths.
My Favourite story of the Flood Myth is sung by the Irish Rovers. It's about how Unicorns got left behind. Great song.
I almost made it through an entire security shift with a straight face until through my earpiece I hear Simon say "the dove fucks off". Priceless.
Except it says the dove never returned to the ark. Noah released all the animals into the wild so the doves could have hooked up elsewhere.
Yes Simon. People do believe in the ark and in those who say they found it. I was one of them at one point. I was Raised in evangelicalism. Took me twenty yrs to find my way out. LoL
@@scottneil1187 that was my wife. Got kicked out of Sunday school at like 8 for asking "the wrong" questions. LoL
@@scottneil1187 George Carlin has a quote: "I went to church until I reached the age of reason."
I also abandoned religion very early on for the same reasons, always getting in trouble for questioning things and not believing in a magic sky wizard.
A French Torah scholar from the 1500s, known as Rashi, wrote in his commentaries on genesis that the ark was on mount Ararat. He doesn't cite a source but clearly the story of the ark being at Mt Ararat way predates the 1970s. I really wonder where the original source of that story is.
Nobody claimed that the Ararat story started in the 1970s. We can never know the original source. It possibly wasn't even written down at the time, just a tale told verbally. Over several thousand years it will have been changed by those that told it or wrote it down. As Simon said, the historical translation of "Ararat" is probably incorrect, and in fact refers to a small Kingdom that existed in that region.
Except the bible doesn't say Mount Ararat. It says the _mountains_ of Ararat. The bible is referring to a region, not a single mountain.
@@benjalucian1515 that's an excellent point. Subtle mistranslations can have big implications.
One of my favorite sort of subfields in archaeology and anthropology is where you trace oral traditions and see how common they are across different cultures and regions. Like for instance anthropologist were able to help pinpoint the origin and timing of a mega tsunami that struck North America on the west coast in prehistory, because it was reflected in so many worldwide oral traditions for so many different groups that they figured it was tracing a real event, and actually left traceable effects geologically speaking once they did a little digging, haha. So you have events like this flooding myth that is common throughout the entire Earth. A lot of people think that is because people were relating in oral traditions were recalling when all their lands were slowly inundated when the ice age in question ended, because humans tend to cluster at shorelines and rivers, and in these areas of flooding would have been extremely catastrophic as they quickly in the span of a few generations lost so much of their homes... like the giant, fertile, low-lying plain people lived on in the Paleolithic that once connected the British isles to the mainland. There are sgns of human habitation on an ancient worldwide seashore that now lies about 150 feet underwater because long-standing shorelines were subjected to a new sea level after the water locked up in the ice was returned there. From this event you would have stuff of almost all the ancient flood myths on Earth. As the script mentioned, these areas would be the whole world to these people because they didn't know there was anywhere else, and that was their entire world. In this case I think it's important to recall that oral traditions inform us as to what to look for and even when, sometimes, and definitely help us to figure out certain things that occurred in history that have made such a big impact that they got passed on in mythological form. We can then correlate them with scientific evidence because that way we can pinpoint what they were actually talking about in altered form over the years as you peel away the parts of the story that people came up with for explanations before science was a thing.
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I love this! I totally agree with you about how interesting it is!
Also, I had no idea that the British isles were connected to the mainland. That is fascinating! Thank you!
There are a lot of ancient shorelines under the Black sea, the idea being the ice age meltwater built up at Istanbul to such a height that when the land bridge was eventually broached the Black sea filled dramatically within living memory from a huge waterfall fwd by the Mediterranean sea.
As someone with a warped sense of humour I really enjoy the effort to entertain and give us information.
I almost choked with laughter during the pigeon discussion. 😂
At my previous job I overheard a conversation between my coworkers, and I'm not even certain what they were talking about, but one lady said something to the effect of "back in biblical times when people lived to be 600 years old..."
Like... she wasn't joking. That was her plainly saying that people's life expectancy was over 6 times what is is now the same way I would say "the sky is blue."
Heard an otherwise very intelligent and practical Mormon friend of mine have the exact same tone in his voice when he dismissed the problems of the Middle East because everyone knew the Holy Land was now Utah.
Well all you have to do is look to Methuseleh, the world's oldest man, who according to the bibble or someone who read it lived to be about 864 years old. I went through that right-wing evangelical protestant brainwashing but luckily came out the other side with my dirty brain intact. But yeah, the whole Church of Christ believes that people lived longer "back then" and various other nonsensical ideas that you can only believe if you have "faith."
The Bible lists a family tree of people living between 600-900 years each in the book of Genesis. Interestingly, ages drop to more normal time frames after the flood. That’s where the long-lived people thing comes from.
@@tomorrow4eva Yep, I read all of Genesis, including the "Begats," and they said people lived longer at first for whatever reason. Maybe they didn't write it down, or lost track of the men who lived in between, and went to the next man's name they remembered ...
A bit late here, but here goes:
First, an oral tradition of story telling and oral history that doesn't always differentiate between fact and fiction.
Second, they were using a lunar calendar at the time, and not a solar calendar like we do now.
Third, misinterpretations and mistranslations are common, even today...
What if the older local word translated as years actually meant months? "So all the days that Adam lived numbered nine hundred and thirty years" translated to months: 77 and a half years. Not bad even for today.
The thing that boggles me is the assumption that he'd just... Leave a boat he had no need for and not use the wood to rebuild homes and stables.
especially since there might not be very many great trees around. Maybe among the debris.
It boggles my mind people believe in the Bible.
1:01:45 As someone *with* a vineyard, and quite a large one, I can say that, if the amount of wine you want to produce is around 200kg of wine per year, note that a glass of water is 0.3kg, then the work is pretty small. Withing a day you can do most, if not all, of the branch cutting you will need, by yourself, and, if the vineyard is stationed high, meaning the branches of the trees are tall enough so you won't have to bend your back to access them, you can collect all the grapes, again by yourself within a day. If you manage to go that far by yourself, then turning the grapes into wine would be a piece of cake.
Good to know for my future retirement as an owner of a vineyard. 😁
I had no idea that all vineyards were the same size! Awesome!
Simon, Wyatt being a Nurse Anesthetist means he had a Doctorate (probably a bright person). This is definitely a case of someone who is an expert in one area, trying to do research outside the realm he studied. You are underselling that here.
I remember back at uni, a professor of mine talked about a catastrophic flood that created the now Black Sea. It was from the Mediterran, causing where the current Black Sea is to rapidly fill up with seawater. This displaced all the people living there, assuming they even survived. His view was this is where the "western world" version of the story comes. (I say that as every culture has a version). From all those nearby who heard or saw the event. Again, this event was roughly 8,000 or so years ago? Something like that. I don't recall what the ecact number was.
Interestingly, this location fits the tale, and you can use it how you like. Either it proves that G-d flooded an area by causing (if I remember correctly) part of a glacier to break, or disproves by it being a real event by localised and caused by natural events.
There was a big rise in sea level about 8k to 10k years ago. This caused areas that would've been very appealing to early humans to be flooded.
The stories of this period would've been passed down and eventually become the flood myths that exist all over the world.
In the case of the Noah myth and the others that have boats, it's likely that a guy just built a boat for his family and maybe some early domesticated animals, and made it to land. Then, as legends do, it changes over time until it's almost unrecognizable.
Same thing happened when the Mediterranean was formed. The straights of Gibraltar breaking, the massive valley gets flooded. This legend is passed down over thousands of years and morphs into Noah's Ark.
@@druid84115Not just thousands. The Zanclean flood occurred 5 million years ago.
Ever culture does not have a world wide flood story. They have local flood stories and even tell the tails as such and never make claimed of them being world wide.
Look at the Younger Dryas event and how the worlds oceans rose 400ft.
Simon says you don’t build boats out of rocks.
US Navy: I give you the USS Vitruvius
Thank you, Ilze and Jen for making Simon look good.
Every time Simon explains his cold reads I’m shocked. With so many channels surely everyone in the world knows Simon and how his various formats work
Noah's ark is in Kentucky. It's famous for suing it's insurance after flooding damaged it.
Not joking.
So many questions!lol
@@juliannacolombo5584 I believe they also have a Creationist Science Museum there.
@@TheNaldiin I can not begin to imagine the exhibits! Oh Lordy..gonna go on a Google adventure. Thanks for sharing!
@@TheNaldiin Yup, they also defrauded the local taxpayers to build it.
@J B I'm from Tennessee, so don't think my home has the high ground, but Kentucky seemed to go through a weird period of sketchy tourist attractions fueled by tax incentives being put in the middle of nowhere.
Another humor ridden segment where we have no misunderstanding about what Simon sees and believes about the subject matter. The frequent pauses to reflect or inject humor or ridicule in the chuckling Simonesque manner (as only he can do..) are what makes this type of 'less dramatic than usual' content is a joyful thing to behold!
Great things about this video:
1) Simon Whistler
2) The script
3) 'What about mosquitos? Fuck you, Noah!'
4) 'What happened to the sea creatures? I'm not satisfied!'
5) 'Immortal dude sacrificed a sheep.' So, why do we have sheep if they only had one to begin with?
And so many more...
While biblical stories are dumb in general there could still be sheep if the sacrificed one was a male and the other was a pregnant female with multiple baby sheeps on the way.
Simon, may I remind you carrier pigeons were crucial in WWII. You can probably still find people who keep and train them. I mean, falconry is still a thing, so why not homing pigeons?
I love Simon's attitude on these channels. It's a complete 180 to his other channels 🤣
Since it doesn't look like anyone's answered Simon's question about where the water comes from, the explanation (according to professional apologetics) is that the water came from the Firmament and the "wells of the deep". Basically, the way the Bible describes the world as existing is like a snow globe submerged in water. The Firmament is the dome over the snow globe. So God basically opened up windows in the Dome/Sky and the ground and let the water pour in, and then basically pumped it out after. (This is not me endorsing this point of view, I'm just quite experienced with evangelicals (who are the major The Bible Is 100% True and Literal crowd where I live and I have heard this question answered before
Anyone who reads Umberto Eco's "Island of the Day Before" knows that the water for the flood came from... yesterday.
Did Ilze just make a reference to Good Omens??? Yay Ilze!
I was thinking the same!
Would be awesome if you guys put together a long video explaining the younger dryas extinction and impact theory!!! Love the work.
Someone believes that nonsense talker graham hancock
@@Man_fay_the_Bru you don't have to believe every word Graham says to see the valid arguments he makes. I hate this idea that everything is only black and white. No nuance, no gray, just polarized. It's pathetic. Like you can't think for yourself? You need to be told by someone you believe in 100% what to think?
Graham makes several good arguments based on available evidence. AND he also makes several arguments without much evidence. Wow! Both things can be true at once? No way.
Getting people to open their minds to different possibilities is, I would argue, a good thing. The possibility that some structures might be older than we think isn't really that controversial or world changing.. and that possibility only grows more and more likely as we keep pushing back the date of human activity more and more and more.
It's certainly worthwhile to look into, which is something I agree with. Archeologists should go in with open minds, and not be bound by dogmatic beliefs. The Clovis First dogma was blown out of the water, and at first when evidence was presented that clovis first was wrong, people ridiculed those guys as well. Now? It's a fact that native Americans lived in America long before that dogma believed.
So maybe, just maybe, think for yourself and do your own research. Stop seeing the world in black and white. You'll be doing yourself and the world a favor.
Hey Simon, great video! Just to answer the question about dating materials-- Archaeologists can date stone items, it's just not done via carbon dating. Carbon dating actually requires the material to be made of carbon, essentially a living thing. They can use other chemistry dating techniques to measure the object's erosion or how long the sun's been hitting it, which can also essentially tell you when the object was dated. Not an Archaeologist so I don't know any of the specific names, and I'm sure there are plenty more that I'm forgetting about. Just wanted to help! Thanks for the great content!
The branches of science( physics, biology, geology, chemistry) provide too much evidence such that the literal account of the Ark is impossible to accept.
Simon's reaction to how far pigeons can fly in a day is priceless!
Twisted and hilarious synopsis. 🤣🤣🤣 I love Simon's warped sense of humor in his telling of this classic Biblical tale.
@Simon there is an annual "Concrete Boat" race for colleges every year (the Tech schools like MIT and FIT etc like to get in on it). But yeah, building a boat out of stone is such a challenge it is an annual competition.
-Shawn
They've been building boats ot of concrete since WW2..when I was a kid a lot of people were building sailboats in the 40 to 50 ft range.
Archaeologist here:
Dating petroglyphs is actually kind of a massive conundrum in my field. Of course, with that being said, if someone asked me to date something because they think it’s Noah’s Ark turned to stone, I would simply call the police and ask them to do a welfare check on the obviously insane person I had just spoken to.
@tealyoung2178 According to the Bible, the flood occurred in 2350 BC , and we are now 2024 AD. Just for the sake of the argument, how big would the chances of finding identifiable parts of a primitive wooden vessel in the middel east after almost 4400 years be?
"Religion is weird"... truer words have never been spoken!
True religion as defined in James is to visit orphans and widows in their distress. You call that weird. What’s actually weird are blasphemers like you trying to convince yourself and others the Bible is wrong.
@@carlwalker3557 Have you actually read the bible?? It's full of stories that are completely impossible and/or have been verified to be "wrong". I thought most Christians were past the whole "The bible is the infallible word of god". They don't even prescribe to a literal interpretation in seminary school!
Here are a few examples that scholars, historians, archeologist, paleontologists, other scientists, and even seminary scholars at the Vatican have identified as historical inaccuracies or inconsistencies and impossibilities:
The Creation Timeline: The book of Genesis presents a creation story that unfolds over six days, which contradicts the scientific understanding of the Earth's formation over billions of years and the evolution of life.
The Exodus: The story of the Israelites' exodus from Egypt, led by Moses, is a foundational narrative in the Bible. However, archaeological evidence for such a mass migration, which would have been a significant event in ancient Egypt, is lacking.
The Census in the Birth of Jesus: The Gospel of Luke mentions a census conducted by Quirinius, the Roman governor of Syria, that required everyone to return to their ancestral homes. Historical records suggest that Quirinius' governorship and the census occurred much later than the birth of Jesus and did not require people to travel to ancestral homes.
The Conquest of Canaan: The book of Joshua describes the Israelites' conquest of Canaan after the Exodus from Egypt. Archaeological evidence does not fully support the widespread and rapid conquest described; some cities mentioned as destroyed were either uninhabited at the time or continued to exist uninterrupted.
King David's Empire: While King David is a central figure in the Bible, the archaeological evidence for the vast empire attributed to him is sparse. Some scholars argue that his kingdom, if it existed, might have been smaller and less influential than described.
The Walls of Jericho: The Bible describes the walls of Jericho falling to the Israelites, led by Joshua. Archaeological excavations suggest that the walls of Jericho were not standing at the time they were supposed to have fallen to the Israelites.
The Global Flood and Noah's Ark: The story of Noah's Ark, in which the entire Earth is flooded to destroy all life except for Noah, his family, and pairs of every animal species housed in an ark, directly contradicts all available biological evidence, including the genetic diversity evidence, and the minimum founding population requirements. There is no evidence of a global flood covering all landmasses, and the logistics of housing, feeding, and caring for pairs of all animal species is beyond feasibility.
The Tower of Babel: The story of the Tower of Babel, where humanity's single language is confounded into many by God, conflicts with linguistic and anthropological studies that trace the evolution of languages over thousands of years.
Jonah and the Whale: The account of Jonah living inside a whale (or large fish) for three days is biologically impossible. A human surviving inside a whale in the manner described in the Bible is simply not possible or consistent with whale biology.
The Sun Standing Still: In the book of Joshua, it is claimed that the sun stood still in the sky to allow the Israelites more time to win a battle. This would imply a cessation of the Earth's rotation, which would have catastrophic consequences.
The list goes on and on and on...
I'm not saying you don't have a right to your beliefs, or that you shouldn't have faith in something, but none of the worlds "holy books" are a reliable source for historical information.
Religion is a cult for confused or gullible people. Good deeds and positive behavior doesn't require fairy tales.
@@carlwalker3557 But the Bible is wrong. It's full of ridiculous nonsense. It's from times where humans did not know much, and could not do better. Today, they know more, and should do better.
Good omens is actually really good!
I think it's on amazon Prime or maybe Disney plus? (Here in Canada) it actually blew away my expectations. It sat in my watch list for months but once I finally got around to it, it was wonderful.
Highly recommend, dammit being reminded of it reminded me how bad I want a season 2 -_-
They're making one. Filming right now.
Gaaah i love Good Omens, started drawing fanart ever since watching Season 1. Can't wait for season 2
Its fantasy, Simon does not care.
As a geologist myself there is SO much wrong with that Wyatt guys ark theory I'm raging.
Simon's enthusiastic pep talk to city pigeons was truly precious.
Hey Simon, if you ever get the chance to read the Epic of Gilgamesh I would highly recommend it. It's a fantastic story of love, honor, and tragedy.
I suspect that the closest Simon is going to get is hearing Picard recounting the story to Dathon in the TNG episode "Darmok."
Interestingly the Epic of Gilgamesh while the first significant recorded narrative is still just a collection of earlier myths and stories squashed into a cohesive singular text.
Unfortunately we don't have a single complete version of it as yet - unless it turns out that some of the many cuneiform tablets yet to be translated in museums contain the missing pieces.
Crosses on the anchor stones?!?!? Noah and Family were JEWISH! The cross is not a symbol of Monotheist 'God' (Yahweh, Jehovah etc.) until AFTER Jesus was crucified and resurrected. How can a so called Christian enthusiast NOT REMEMBER THAT!?!?!?!
For some reason, the part about the birds reminded me of the whole "weight of the African or European swallow" bit from Monty Python & the Holy Grail
"A shrubbery?"
"It's not a matter of where it grasps the husk, it's a matter of speed to weight ratio."
Fun fact: Ben Franklin was a huge proponent of the metric system and the United States sent a delegation to France to get the standards.
English privateers attacked that ship and sank it killing everyone on board.
The English who created the imperial measurement system and bitch the loudest about Americans continuing to use the system they created are the reason why Americans weren't amongst the first to adopt the metric system.
The whole sea creatures moment made my day 🤣🤣🤣 also the give him a minute clip, well done jen
You should check out Dr. Irving Finkel’s talk about Noah’s ark. He’s one of the worlds foremost Assyriologists and a curator from the British museum (and my favorite big brain to listen to next to Fact Boy). Super entertaining and informative. He also has a video on “the first ghosts” that might make a good Into the Shadows episode.
I wanted to shout this at the screen several times. glad someone else mentioned it.
Yeah, absolutely.
The more you delve into Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Canaanite myth, legend and history, the more you realise that the whole bible is just full of retcons and renames strung together into a cohesive (but badly edited) narrative that is context appropriate to the Hebrews for the Old Testament (Torah), and the Graeco-Romans for the New Testament (Gospels).
Finding out that Hebrew language is just a dialect of Canaanite was a real glass breaker moment for me.
The later Canaanite chief god named Baal basically fits the description of Yahweh in every manner, and the older Canaanite chief god being called El is just a mic drop on the entie bible - the Israelites literally fused the 2 major Canaanite chief gods into one, and so many epithets of Yahweh and his angels are some derivative of El (El Shaddai, Raphael, Gabriel, Sataniel etc etc).
The only way to take that is that the Israelites were a Canaanite sub group - probably formed as a city state in Canaan during the Egyptian New Kingdom dominion of the area attested in the Merneptah stele.
Read the book "Good Omens" rather than watching the TV show.
Both are good, but different in some key ways.
Simon learning that pigeons could fly 600 miles in a day was the best part of this video 😂
Simon, animals do get messed up when their gene pool gets reduced.
The story of Noah's ark may have been inspired by the black sea deluge, a theorized flood that may have happened around 9000 years ago. The Mediterranean sea would have spilled over into the black sea due to melting ice sheets, causing the shoreline of the black sea to expand inland by up to 100km
That's what I think too. Along with the Black Sea the Red Sea may have just been a river during the last ice age until the ice melted and and a massive flood may have rapidly happened there too. To those people it would have seemed like the whole world flooded.
There's also a possibility of a meteor hitting Greenland 12,000 years ago and creating a huge tsunami that ransacked the Sahara killed of Saber toothed cats and other mega fauna 12,000 years ago, due to the younger dryas caused by the meteor.
It's also theorized to be the flood that drowned Atlantis 12,000 years ago.
Otherwise known as Meltwater Pulse B
There is definitely a shared human experience of quickly rising waters that manifested it self as the flood myth.
@@justincovert6943 if you want to see myths broken down check out the TH-cam channel crecganford
"We found wood! It MUST be Noah's Ark! NOTHING ELSE COULD BE MADE OF WOOD BACK THEN!"
No gopher wood in that area
Fun fact Noah invented wood!
@@Kadeo-ms6qw lol
I had a boyfriend who truly thought everything in the Bible was literal. He found a recent article at the time that claimed to have found Noah’s arc. He couldn’t understand that the entire earth couldn’t flood. A giant cruise ship wouldn’t be able to fit every animal; especially all the animals & plants that need to be fed to others etc. Fresh water & salt water animals both finding themselves in unlivable conditions when it combined.. He was semi nice though 😅
I laughed out loud many times during this episode but not as much as when you were addressing your pigeon audience members. How many pigeon subscribers do you have? Do they own their own phones/computers, or do they borrow them? Do they ever comment? Do you know which subjects they prefer to watch?
Sometimes I think Simon grew up under a rock.
Right? It’s a weird dichotomy for a guy who owns what, 15 successful YT channels, yet is clueless about some of the most basic things lol
Trapped in a basement. Victims can end up abusing others how they were. Hence there are rules about how to not commit crimes that I heard somewhere else.
Or his script writer.
He knows very little about The Bible even though he went to some posh Anglican private school where they required students to study The Bible. I think the only thing he got out of that school was his posh accent along with a thorough knowledge of what candy shops sell.
@@charlottef87 I learned long ago not to expect much in the way of general knowledge from Simon, so it makes no difference to me whether he knows the Bible thoroughly, although I would like to see him show at least the same level of knowledge as what an elementary school student who goes to Sunday school might have. As for his bank account, that's irrelevant because I didn't say, "Hey, this guy makes far more money than he otherwise would if he had to actually think for a living."
at 1:20 shout out to my guys A. Crawley and Aziraphael...it's a good omen for this video...
Edit: a few minutes later... love this writer, same page!!!
I love your response to the writers jokes, I am also extremely fascinated by urban myths and legends so DecodingtheUnkown is perfect! Also the long form content helps me stay entertained while im waiting for pins to chase at work lol.
When I was stationed in Turkey, I went on a tour group to Antioch and St. Peter's Grotto in Western Turkey. Along the way, the group took a lunch break at the site of a large stone marker at the place where legend says that Jonah was was spat out by the great fish. There are actually a lot of similar markers around the Eastern Mediterranean. Still, it was an interesting place to stop for our noon repast.
Yeah, tourism.
Tourism is an industry that has apparently been around since there were people. I would not be shocked if the first city didn't have a dude giving tours to traders and showing them the Rock where the first king was born a million years prior. Also, please buy a souvenir to take home with you. It's a great deal.
@@MrDalisclock sometimes I think that "tourism" is just the modern version of "pilgrimage". It's going somewhere to see things and spend money, after all. There were always people at pilgrimage sites selling the gen-u-ine fingerbones of Saint Augustine or some such nonsense.
For anyone who wants to see, someone came up with a lot of info on the ark, look up Irving Finkel, The Ark Before Noah: A Great Adventure on TH-cam. Great watch if you are a history buff.
My parents and siblings believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible and have made a few trips to the Ark Encounter place in Tennessee (I think). Huge sort of creationist theme park built to scale based on the Bible’s description. Personally I’m a huge skeptic of the literal interpretation of the story but I do have to wonder whether or not the Ark Encounter would float if there was a flash flood.
It won't. It was recently refused insurance due to not being water-proofed...Kent Hovind (sp?) and co. are lunatics.
The ark would roll over and sink .large wooden ships arent feasible they usually twist and break themselves apart its been tried in the past and it dosent work
I'm sad to say it's in Kentucky and it has dinosaurs on board...
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@@victoriafisher6934 - Please be joking!
Noah is just a cultural appropriation of a far earlier character, so is Abraham... and Adam, Eve, Cain, Able...
Jen, great job as always, but particular greatness in the moment of Simon's considering whales and fish, "Just give him a minute..." Stellar!
Can someone tell me why on the thumbnail it says Noah's (as) Ark? What does the (as) part mean? Does it stand for something? I've wanted to know since this video was released
Hope Simon sees this. Not only was I raised religious, my family took me to a church which believed the literal interpretation of the bible. The priests son went to a Christian college and his final project for one of the semesters was a PowerPoint presentation that "proved" creationism and the idea that the earth (and universe) was about 6,000 years old. I was about 14 at that time and already didn't believe in god. It was wild to watch as someone with that perspective surrounded by people who did Believe. I distinctly remember my mom laughing at the idea that people believed the earth was billions of years old on the drive home.
It's the same thing with "flat earthers". It isn't about the facts, they just want to be part of a group that shares the same beliefs. They feel "in the know" so they can look down on those who believe in the "official story".
Why would there be crosses on the drogue stones if Noah and the Ark happened in the Old Testament? Noah would have followed the Abrahamic God, not the Christian God and Jesus was still several begat-ings away plus 30 or so years for the actual crucifixion. So, why would a Christian cross be used to represent Noah and his family? Also, when Simon says "language barrier" who else is just imagining a middle-aged American SCREAMING at Turkish people in English "WHERE IS THE MOUNTAIN WITH THE BOAT ON IT!?"
Pigeons, 600 miles in a day, thats the only thing I believe is true in this whole episode. It 's the longest episode of "would I lie to you " ive ever watched. Fascinating as always.
One question has always had me scratching my head. The logistics of feeding the animals for that period of time let alone everything else . There were many miracles it would seem for this story not to confuse everyone that reads it .
I guess you just need to feed them enough to keep them alive, you dont need to keep them healthy. Like you wouldnt feed the cows as much as youd feed a cow youre trying to sell or milk. You just need it to survive. I imagine if this was real, every body on that boat would be starving and emaciated.
@@ErisApplebottom well you don't need to if god makes you not need to eat.
handy so you don't need multiples of the animals that are food for the carnivores.
@@lasskinn474 o ya, i forgot about
🌈 *magic*
feeding? NM that.. who is shoveling all the shit so they dont die of methane poisoning?
LITERAL BULLSHIT proves this myth is bullshit
@@lasskinn474 this is the weirdest part for me, this is such a common honest answer I see from Christians. "God made them not need to eat. God made the boat float. God temporarily changed the physiology of every sea creature in the planet so they'd survive in fresh water, then changed them back later"... I mean, if he was gonna do that, why make the boat? Why anything at that point, just make the planet stop existing, recreate a perfect copy of it but only with Noah's family in there and skip the whole thing. It's so weird man.
While listening to this I suddenly wanted Every arc/flood story to be true (in some sense.) If there were dozens or hundreds of arcs it would be a better story.
Given that Noah simply couldn't have saved every animal, then wouldn't a God figure head reach out to all the cultures that could help?
Yep. And all the fresh water fish died because EVERYTHING is under salt water lol