Actually there were just a couple mechanics to figure out and 90% of the game became much more manageable. Like literally walking into the bigger enemies when they get up from their first fall, and then punch-punch-kick-looping kick inside their counterattack envelope, which makes them completely submitted to a guaranteed kill. And the fact that you have to spend the first two stages exclusively punching to gain experience and new moves. The only really tricky part will forever remain the last corridor to the final arena and its darn tricky walls. This one needs sheer luck AND skills all the way.
@Tom Caine my thoughts exactly. Lktterally took me YEARS (essentially playing on summers through 2000-2002) long after the NES was gone to finally beat Jackio ONCE :-D Haven't beat every Megaman yet, I'm afraid i'll go Everdrive and Savestates before bosses for these ones though,can't afford getting toast back to a level start on every fail,been there, done that but at 34 that's enough lol ;-)
Good run,this game still holds up as one of the best games made for the original NES system. It's still as much fun to play now as it was when I was a kid.
@@BLAZENYCBLACKOPS is not easier to speedrun is just becasue you are more focus in to beat it fast instead saving your life poitns to survive. That way you tend to risk more while normal play you are more with fear about to get killed. And you feel the game a lot more hard than it is. and this is not something that just happend in videogames. In sports, playing a instrument, bussiness and almost everything in life that you have some experience about.
Oh my god, that Chin strategy on Level 2 is awesome! Me and my brother always did the ladder trick, I thought that's what you were gunna do and I was surprised. Great run man, I fucking love this game. More than the arcade version and Double Dragon 2.
Wow you made that look easy! My brothers an I loved this game as kids. Mom banned us from the versus mode when she saw us throwing knives at each other ha
My mom hated this game and got mad when my borther and me started fighting over it and wanted it gone when she learned of the numchaucks in the VS mode
At 8:15, Abobo's like "Fuck that. I ain't climbing that just to get a knife lodged into my neck and knocked back down. I'ma have a smoke and get some lunch instead! After all, I have my own 'Big Adventure' to complete still!"
@@Jono1874 I mean, if you have that large of muscles and are basiclly look like the hulk, and spent so much time training to that degree of strength, but then got your butt kicked that easily by a man 1% your size, you would wanna suck your thumb too, as your entire existance would have no meaning
Its incredible how 21 years ago I played this game, and until now I learned that you could punch the bad guys when thrown on the ground, Just memories. 9:43
Wow, that elbow technique on the final boss is genius! Never thought to do that! Looks like I have a new strat against the final boss now, always struggle against him due to his high health and the onslaught you have to face before him.
Growing up, I could sometimes kill the gunner, but never stood a chance against Jimmy. After I started to research the game to speedrun it, then I finally beat the game for the first time.
@@heidmand Nice. Lol yeah, I find the gunner to be much more difficult than Jimmy, since he does so much more damage to you with the gun. Jimmy is honestly kind of a breeze since he hardly does any damage to you, specially with that kick, kick, elbow strat. That makes him pretty easy. It's just a matter of getting to him tho with more than just a few bars of health left.
Elbow is The second strongest attack. The strongest attack is the spinning jump kick I believe. If not then the elbow. The mount takes too much time. I can knock down one person and start on the second allowing enemies to spawn faster. I only use it on the last guy in an area if I get bad rng so I dont have to wait for them to get up. Chin's and the last 2 bosses will push you off if you attempt to mount unless they are at low health.
You can force Chins and the final bosses back up faster by acting like you are going to kneel on them while they’re down, but quickly press Up before they have a chance to throw you. Just be careful if you ever do this in the caves though, as a hit from another Chin during this transition can force a glitch which causes you to fall off the screen to your death.
@@dwaynegreene152 it is mostly proper spacing and timing the kick so that he stands up into the kick as the kick hit box kinda stays out for a while. Just keeping him from attacking is the real goal because he is so aggressive.
Awesome run! And thinking back on this game for 1987-88, it's amazing for NES... a 3D side-scroller, experience and a level-up system with new combat moves, 5+ weapons, jumping puzzles and a iconic music score. I wonder where Billy and Marion are today, almost 27 years later...
Nuk, that spinning kick is no damn good. It's a powerful move, but the delay for contact means that you can be hit before you hit them. Interestingly, Jimmy has the same problem with his spinning kick.
Very good accuracy. The last arena was a bit hard if we don't know the tricks (where to place). I finished this game on my 3DS with retroarch. Very good OST by the way.
4th heart gives both the hair pull and mount. When you hit an enemy you can get 2 different stun animations. One is short (single kick) and the other is noticeably longer (2 kicks). Walk towards the enemy durring the long stun animation and you will pull the hair. Knees to the head deal kick damage and the throw does 2 kicks worth of damage. Mount punches deal kick damage.
I just bought this game for $14 bucks at Walmart. Plug and play and the joy stick is way too bulky and it doesn't work but the game is golden. I love double dragon 4 life bro.
Awesome video, thank you. Looking for the fence trick where you beat the invisible and undying enemy repeatedly with a bat to earn points and all moves.
I saw someone use my strats and got a better time with being a bit cleaner. I believe it is possible to still improve with the same strats. The 2 deaths warps do save a bit though.
Sick run! I am beginning the process of learning this game. My best so far is 12:52. Where can I find Humorisk's segmented run and his "Abobo Clinch"? Any other resources would be great? I should ask about the grab technique. Does using a directional after a kick cause the grab? I see that it occurs on its own at times. What are the dynamics here? Thanks.
+DonkeyKongGenius forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/double_dragon_times.html -This is where me and Humorisk were working and posting our updates. -About the grab: The grab happens when you uses a left/right input then the enemy is in a "stunned" state, usually caused with kicks. The randomness you are taking about is the timing of your kicks vs the stun time per first and second kick. The animation time of your kick is equal to the first kick stun animation time frame. The second stun time is much longer making it much easier to get. Your kick hurt box stays out as long as you are in the kick animation, so if you can get the enemy to walk into your kick animation while it is still lingering out, your animation ends and still have time to get the grab. -Feel free to ask about anything else, I am more than willing to help.
+David Heidman Jr Thanks for the offer for help, I appreciate it. At this point I am only looking for a pb and will only grind out WR attempts if I am good enough. So with the kick and grab, are you saying that if I kick before they are within range but then move into my kick while it is still out then this will increase my chances of grabbing them. I noticed on the last part of mission 3 you are kicking Linda when they are further away and then again for the grab. I have yet to get the timing down for this. It seems that in this case you are kicking while they are already at the edge of your kicks ready to get hit. I have noticed, like in the case of Willy that if I space out where I stand before I kick it will automatically go into the grab, which is nice.
On that penultimate screen at 11:00, how come you can't just throw people off the sides? Looks like a platform to me. Also, that bitch has some GUNS! Damn!
Fantastico here. Did you know that there is a glitch in this game. Unlimited free men. one guy holds the green guy by the elevator while the other guy keeps whipping him. timer stands still. high score forever.
The game is fairly easy. The wall on stage 4 is make or break for me. I cruise through the first 3 levels, sometimes the wall ruins me. Not getting the spin kick is key as well. Why does the game give you a move that literally everyone ducks under?
@heidmand Ya, I liked the way you finished off the machine gun guy, just perfect timing and distance control. Hes the only hard part along with the pillars that comes out at the beggining of mission 4, otherwise this game isnt so hard like many ppl thought.
Is it just me or is the original the best of the entire series? I mean the second one did not have the music, and I felt that the level design and everything is better in the original. Even super double dragon did not have the leveling up system. The only thing the sequel had that was really good was the knee
2 and 3 were good but not on the same level. Super is awesome in my eyes but still a bit lacking. I urge you to check out "double dragon neon" produced by Wayforward. It might be the best double dragon game.
One way you could have sped this up a bit, farm out enough points to get the back elbow, it one-shots most foes and three-shots abobos. It doesn't even take very long to get enough points for it, otherwise solid run.
Devil Eye I found that farming points for the elbow early takes longer tgsn what I did. I chose to farm a bit on almost every enemy a small amount (I do more damage than necessary to finish off an enemy) and get the elbow right at the final gauntlet. In this run I was a bit lower on points and got it a bit later than planned. If a new point route is created I don't mind testing them out.
WOW. that was really impressive. you didn't even complete the levels hearts in the game. it must've taken you months or maybe YEARS to actually perfect this game as I have never mastered this game even after 15 so years.
Each enemy has a health value and each attack has an attack value. Enemies need to be at 0 health AND knocked down for the to die (holes work great too). All that needs to be done is know what enemy type needs what attack combo to efficiently proceed. Then adjust the combos for point farming to be sure specific skills are gained by when they are needed.
You just absolutely slaughtered one of the hardest games on NES. Congrats to you
Flashpoint922 the arcade version is easier
Actually there were just a couple mechanics to figure out and 90% of the game became much more manageable. Like literally walking into the bigger enemies when they get up from their first fall, and then punch-punch-kick-looping kick inside their counterattack envelope, which makes them completely submitted to a guaranteed kill. And the fact that you have to spend the first two stages exclusively punching to gain experience and new moves. The only really tricky part will forever remain the last corridor to the final arena and its darn tricky walls. This one needs sheer luck AND skills all the way.
@Tom Caine my thoughts exactly. Lktterally took me YEARS (essentially playing on summers through 2000-2002) long after the NES was gone to finally beat Jackio ONCE :-D Haven't beat every Megaman yet, I'm afraid i'll go Everdrive and Savestates before bosses for these ones though,can't afford getting toast back to a level start on every fail,been there, done that but at 34 that's enough lol ;-)
Dude, it's not that hard?? I did this on a regular basis as a kid.
Ive never seen past lvl 3
Good run,this game still holds up as one of the best games made for the original NES system. It's still as much fun to play now as it was when I was a kid.
Played this game as a kid, but never beet it. Once I decided it speedrun it, it took me 1 month to produce this. It really is not that hard.
I agree, nice strats, I think it’s actually easier to speedrun than to play normal and power up.
@@BLAZENYCBLACKOPS is not easier to speedrun is just becasue you are more focus in to beat it fast instead saving your life poitns to survive. That way you tend to risk more while normal play you are more with fear about to get killed. And you feel the game a lot more hard than it is. and this is not something that just happend in videogames. In sports, playing a instrument, bussiness and almost everything in life that you have some experience about.
Props to anyone who beat this first Double Dragon! Cheers!
Oh my god, that Chin strategy on Level 2 is awesome! Me and my brother always did the ladder trick, I thought that's what you were gunna do and I was surprised.
Great run man, I fucking love this game. More than the arcade version and Double Dragon 2.
Thank you
Wow you made that look easy! My brothers an I loved this game as kids. Mom banned us from the versus mode when she saw us throwing knives at each other ha
Joga Dom lol, good memories
My mom hated this game and got mad when my borther and me started fighting over it and wanted it gone when she learned of the numchaucks in the VS mode
Why?
The versus mode took up hours of my time as a kid.
I used to make it look this easy when I was a kid!
I used to rock this game back in my day. I should master it again.and put up my on speedrun. Great play.
This game made me prematurely bald ad a child, it was so hard 😋
2019 the nostalgia is simply epic till this day! Smh wish i was a kid again.
At 8:15, Abobo's like "Fuck that. I ain't climbing that just to get a knife lodged into my neck and knocked back down. I'ma have a smoke and get some lunch instead! After all, I have my own 'Big Adventure' to complete still!"
When Abobo falls on the ground, he looks like he's sucking his thumb.
I thought i was the only one. He looks like a giant baby.
@@Jono1874 I mean, if you have that large of muscles and are basiclly look like the hulk, and spent so much time training to that degree of strength, but then got your butt kicked that easily by a man 1% your size, you would wanna suck your thumb too, as your entire existance would have no meaning
My brother and I said the same thing as kids😂😂😂
Its incredible how 21 years ago I played this game, and until now I learned that you could punch the bad guys when thrown on the ground, Just memories. 9:43
Wow, that elbow technique on the final boss is genius! Never thought to do that! Looks like I have a new strat against the final boss now, always struggle against him due to his high health and the onslaught you have to face before him.
Growing up, I could sometimes kill the gunner, but never stood a chance against Jimmy. After I started to research the game to speedrun it, then I finally beat the game for the first time.
@@heidmand Nice. Lol yeah, I find the gunner to be much more difficult than Jimmy, since he does so much more damage to you with the gun. Jimmy is honestly kind of a breeze since he hardly does any damage to you, specially with that kick, kick, elbow strat. That makes him pretty easy. It's just a matter of getting to him tho with more than just a few bars of health left.
2:45 lol
Loony toons Abominable Snowman " which way did he go George, which way did he go?"
Bimmy Lee never looked so dangerous!
Iconic music!
Elbow is The second strongest attack. The strongest attack is the spinning jump kick I believe. If not then the elbow.
The mount takes too much time. I can knock down one person and start on the second allowing enemies to spawn faster. I only use it on the last guy in an area if I get bad rng so I dont have to wait for them to get up. Chin's and the last 2 bosses will push you off if you attempt to mount unless they are at low health.
You can force Chins and the final bosses back up faster by acting like you are going to kneel on them while they’re down, but quickly press Up before they have a chance to throw you. Just be careful if you ever do this in the caves though, as a hit from another Chin during this transition can force a glitch which causes you to fall off the screen to your death.
Bangin soundtrack. U killed it dude.
Yes and thank you 👍
I never thought to use that strat on the final boss. U made it look easy.
@@dwaynegreene152 it is mostly proper spacing and timing the kick so that he stands up into the kick as the kick hit box kinda stays out for a while. Just keeping him from attacking is the real goal because he is so aggressive.
Awesome run! And thinking back on this game for 1987-88, it's amazing for NES... a 3D side-scroller, experience and a level-up system with new combat moves, 5+ weapons, jumping puzzles and a iconic music score. I wonder where Billy and Marion are today, almost 27 years later...
They are in a sequel that a lot of people criticized
9:44 River City Ransom final boss music? Or did that game copy this game?
Great run! Did you play as *Bimmy* or *Jimmy* ?
This video deserves more thumps up
Turbotef thanks, im impressed this is still standing as the current fastest run
Yooooooo! That River City Ransom Track @9:32. Wow! Shared music indeed.
Nuk, that spinning kick is no damn good. It's a powerful move, but the delay for contact means that you can be hit before you hit them. Interestingly, Jimmy has the same problem with his spinning kick.
I can't even get past the 2 Abobos on mission 3 :( I arrive there with 2-3 lives, and they just slaughter me everytime. Good job man
I hate them too lol. It's really the point of no passing for me, I think I beat them like twice in my fucking life lol
I hate the ones that comes out of the walls they kick my ass everytime I get to that part
Me too, it's this place I can't do :(
Those brick walls in the beginning of mission 4... frustration beyond belief.
8:12 "Oh fuck that, I ain't going up there"
Hundreds of hours played to master a play through in under 13 minutes. Lol well done!
The old double dragon and ninja gainden are the most epic games I ever played in my life and I love thrm now at 18 y old
4:12 He picked the wrong time to turn around
Awesome job. I hope youtube pays you for this.
Very good accuracy. The last arena was a bit hard if we don't know the tricks (where to place). I finished this game on my 3DS with retroarch. Very good OST by the way.
Thank you
3:00 wtf
I laughed when I saw this .
Right lol
You can also just go back down the ladders until he despawns and you'll beat the level. His method is faster though.
@@IshikawaGoemon that one I know
This game is practically important
Those two giant bald guys tearing out of the cliff face scared the crap out of me as a kid
So true
Abobo has that effect on people, lol. His twins with hair in Double Dragon ll are even more frightening.
Same
9:57 I love this track:D
I beat all the sequels to double dragon. But I couldn't beat this one. Crazy.
I still have not beaten DDIII... I should do that at some point...
Awesome speed run! I know it's a speed run, so I can look by all the cheap kills. Great video!!!
The kick at 7:52 was epic as fuck....
Excellent run! I've never seen THAT before!!!
Late to the party, but, good job, dude! I beat this game once as a kid and it was an achievement that only use dorks can carry with us :D Take care.
Thank you. The party is forever ongoing. You can't be late so long as you show up. 😉
You make it look so easy
Practice and understanding, you can do it as well
The OST is so god-like
Amazing run, Heidman! Great job. ;)
Thank you.
Very nice! Is there a trick to make you grab the enemies? It just seems to happen randomly when I play. Is there a trick to that?
4th heart gives both the hair pull and mount. When you hit an enemy you can get 2 different stun animations. One is short (single kick) and the other is noticeably longer (2 kicks). Walk towards the enemy durring the long stun animation and you will pull the hair. Knees to the head deal kick damage and the throw does 2 kicks worth of damage. Mount punches deal kick damage.
I just bought this game for $14 bucks at Walmart. Plug and play and the joy stick is way too bulky and it doesn't work but the game is golden. I love double dragon 4 life bro.
Classic games never get old
Awesome video, thank you. Looking for the fence trick where you beat the invisible and undying enemy repeatedly with a bat to earn points and all moves.
Awesome,how you took out Chin in Mission 2. I did the ladder trick to bypass him.
Sick speedrun
I wonder if the first level of this game its the same as the first leven in Double Dragon 3.
Probably the same location since each game starts right outside their dojo, just imagined differently
Takes me an hour to beat the forest level alone lol
Back in the day... It was an obnoxiously long level
Good time for no death warps sure it's not wr but this is amazing
I saw someone use my strats and got a better time with being a bit cleaner. I believe it is possible to still improve with the same strats. The 2 deaths warps do save a bit though.
@@heidmand Still though this is amazing
I always wondered if it was on two-player who would be the final boss?
If Jimmy's the final boss, than who would be the final boss on 2 player mode?
Both 1p and 2p play Billy, so regardless the final boss will be Bimmy... I mean Jimmy
Sick run! I am beginning the process of learning this game. My best so far is 12:52. Where can I find Humorisk's segmented run and his "Abobo Clinch"? Any other resources would be great? I should ask about the grab technique. Does using a directional after a kick cause the grab? I see that it occurs on its own at times. What are the dynamics here? Thanks.
+DonkeyKongGenius forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/double_dragon_times.html
-This is where me and Humorisk were working and posting our updates.
-About the grab: The grab happens when you uses a left/right input then the enemy is in a "stunned" state, usually caused with kicks. The randomness you are taking about is the timing of your kicks vs the stun time per first and second kick. The animation time of your kick is equal to the first kick stun animation time frame. The second stun time is much longer making it much easier to get. Your kick hurt box stays out as long as you are in the kick animation, so if you can get the enemy to walk into your kick animation while it is still lingering out, your animation ends and still have time to get the grab.
-Feel free to ask about anything else, I am more than willing to help.
+David Heidman Jr Thanks for the offer for help, I appreciate it. At this point I am only looking for a pb and will only grind out WR attempts if I am good enough. So with the kick and grab, are you saying that if I kick before they are within range but then move into my kick while it is still out then this will increase my chances of grabbing them. I noticed on the last part of mission 3 you are kicking Linda when they are further away and then again for the grab. I have yet to get the timing down for this. It seems that in this case you are kicking while they are already at the edge of your kicks ready to get hit. I have noticed, like in the case of Willy that if I space out where I stand before I kick it will automatically go into the grab, which is nice.
+DonkeyKongGenius It will increase you chances of grabbing on the first kick. second kick you will always grap.
+David Heidman Jr Increased to 12:36.85
You forgot to mention that you used a turbo control.
Lol, my arm is my turbo
@@heidmand your arm or your finger? lol
@@VinnyManny i actually use my tricep and forearm to mash, my hand and fingers dont do any work.
On that penultimate screen at 11:00, how come you can't just throw people off the sides? Looks like a platform to me. Also, that bitch has some GUNS! Damn!
I couldn't beat lvl 3
4:22 that's that Tune.
3:00 wtf?
Maybe he was fighting Michael Jackson there doing the moonwalk
better than the arcade to me
Most definitely
3:03 lol!
Fantastico here. Did you know that there is a glitch in this game. Unlimited free men. one guy holds the green guy by the elevator while the other guy keeps whipping him. timer stands still. high score forever.
best game i played when i was a kid!!
What is the most damaging attack, the elbow? And, just wondering why you didn't sit on the fallen to punch them more often?
Yes, he makes 2 guest appearances in this game. Back to back.
WOW! That was nuts!
Amazing😂😂I could go through only one time in my childhood😢😢😢
Once is still an achievement. Congrats to you.
The game is fairly easy. The wall on stage 4 is make or break for me. I cruise through the first 3 levels, sometimes the wall ruins me. Not getting the spin kick is key as well. Why does the game give you a move that literally everyone ducks under?
Had to make the game hard is some way. But yes the game is rather easy once you understand the mechanics
Great job this game is still one of the gratis games of all the
It is rather good
Damn I always got stuck at mission 3 lol
At the end the bed was right there, use it Billy hahaha
Billy knows how to kick ass, but not so good with the ladies
@@heidmand exactly
dawn it i was desperate on seeing his spinning kick i never seen it before on the first one
Awesome vid!
Ya, most were. But the Chin kill at the end of stage 2 may be cheep, but stylish I think.
11:56 fucking delicious!!
11:45 one of the best songs from this game, one with some of the best music on the NES
@heidmand Ya, I liked the way you finished off the machine gun guy, just perfect timing and distance control. Hes the only hard part along with the pillars that comes out at the beggining of mission 4, otherwise this game isnt so hard like many ppl thought.
you should've had your spin kick by the 3rd mission bro...good run!
Marcus I usually have my spin kick halfway through level two with no cheat.
I would never have had enough money to do that on the arcade (which must of been more difficult) 😬
Arcade port is a different beast
@@heidmand I tried hard & gave up my chance of a Porsche 911 to complete it, I failed but I'm happy with the bus .. yeah 😬👍
AND I THOUGHT I WAS BEAST AT THIS SHIT. SO MANY YEARS OF AND STILL DON'T COMPARE TO THIS.
Lol! Does he kills everyone with Judas Effect??))
didn't remember that you could ground and pound.
I think you got that move on the 5th heart.
Oh and great run
Thank you.
Thank you
Is this game even beatable without the cheese?
Is it just me or is the original the best of the entire series? I mean the second one did not have the music, and I felt that the level design and everything is better in the original. Even super double dragon did not have the leveling up system. The only thing the sequel had that was really good was the knee
2 and 3 were good but not on the same level. Super is awesome in my eyes but still a bit lacking. I urge you to check out "double dragon neon" produced by Wayforward. It might be the best double dragon game.
One way you could have sped this up a bit, farm out enough points to get the back elbow, it one-shots most foes and three-shots abobos. It doesn't even take very long to get enough points for it, otherwise solid run.
Devil Eye I found that farming points for the elbow early takes longer tgsn what I did. I chose to farm a bit on almost every enemy a small amount (I do more damage than necessary to finish off an enemy) and get the elbow right at the final gauntlet. In this run I was a bit lower on points and got it a bit later than planned. If a new point route is created I don't mind testing them out.
To farm out elbows, you have to punch every enemy don't use kicks that much
Wow! Haven't watched the gameplay yet but I do know I suck at itXD
Good job:)
it was very hard for me when i was a child.
I died at the Mission 2 boss xD
best of BEST PLAYER !!!
Bravo!
WOW. that was really impressive. you didn't even complete the levels hearts in the game. it must've taken you months or maybe YEARS to actually perfect this game as I have never mastered this game even after 15 so years.
how does he kill enemies so fast?
Each enemy has a health value and each attack has an attack value. Enemies need to be at 0 health AND knocked down for the to die (holes work great too). All that needs to be done is know what enemy type needs what attack combo to efficiently proceed. Then adjust the combos for point farming to be sure specific skills are gained by when they are needed.
@@heidmand thanks for the info
well played.
You got 50,000 on Double Dragon?!!
I got more than that, I got the girl.
@@heidmand thats so bad.
Elegant! (even with the few mistakes) :D
Thank you
Did you use any cheat codes on this game
+Curtis Donihoo He didn't.
+ScoopArcade very impressive
I'm only watching the end of level2, but all I have to say to myself is - 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏻🤦♀️
Shit. You beat Machine Gun Tommy's ass. To this day, he's annoying as shit even though I've beaten the game.
He is rather rough because of his infinite gun combo.
David Heidman Jr lol. I know. You apparently need the right distance to get away with beating the crap outta him