I dont believe the weakness of a type 9 can accurately be understood by labeling nines as indolent or even lazy, because dissociation doesn't imply an aversion to taking action. Dissociation is a form of trauma that erases the memory from taking action or remembering how to move forward which is a better way to describe the weakness of a type 9. Indolence would be just as offensive to hear as calling someone lazy. You need to go deeper and understand the meaning of the word that more accurately describes the weakness of a type 9, which is dissociation. The best way to understand type 9's weakness is to watch videos like CTAD clinic on disorders like dissociative identity disorder or even certain types of autism.
WOW, the Social-repressed 9 description is so accurate it’s honestly scary. And yes, I mistyped as a 4w5 for years because I genuinely believed it described me better than the descriptions of Type 9 I had read (which describe it more in terms of the Social 9).
Thank you so much for this. I listened to - I believe - the podcast previous to this and remember Bea saying what a watershed moment it was for her when she discovered that her subtype was not the one she had thought it was... and that this was a rough realization. I was quite convinced that my stacking was sp/so/sx. because I do a lot to 'check' myself for various childhood trauma reasons. I was damn sure sx had to be my repressed instinct, because it simply seemed the most obnoxious of the three to me for my type - not that social wasn't its own kind of cringe-worthy, I just thought that I did a 'good enough' job in relegating that to a distant-enough second spot. I took the tritype test, not expecting to discover much. But you know when you hit on one of those Enneagram 'truth' moments and feel devastated by it? My tritype was revealing to me in that way. It also said I was a sx/sp/so. Well. I mean - *clearly* that part was just wrong. Fast forward to today. I just had another (protracted) one of those 'moments'. I am, in every aspect, very social-repressed. For the entire first part of this episode, I had a hard time keeping my jaw closed. And I now realize that can only really mean one thing. I not only repress my repressed instinct... I also realize what a lot of my self-shame and self-hatred is about. I guess I also 'repress', or keep in check, or harshly police my dominant instinct. Is this 'a thing'?? I wonder if you could speak to it at some point.
Hi, I have a question/idea… Might it be possible that the instincts are correlated with the Ayurvedic doshas? I was imagining, possibly, self-preservation might relate to kapha, social might relate to vata, and sexual might relate to pitta. Might be totally wrong, but the 3 and 3 basic types, I wondered if they relate to each other.
I idealized my father, who also just like me was social repressed. My mother and sister were social dominant though. Could it be that I have learned that from him ( my father?) ?
I still don't like the way social fives try claiming existential philosophy and abstractions. Sure, you talk a bunch about social (and, to be fair, non-social, but well-known, e.g. Nietzsche) philosophies with other socials, and like linking it together and universalizing it. Do you never really talk to us social-last 5s about our personal philosophies? They can get pretty complex and abstract. Or, at least I think mine is. And given the importance of credentials (formal and informal) in the world I'd say you social-firsts and seconds are a heck of alot more practical and pragmatic than we are. And sure, I'm in the sciences, but because of personal philosophies. Life can't exist without a universe to sustain it. Yay! Three paragraphs instead of a diatribe. Not bad. :D
This podcast was excellent. When an individual has extreme antisocial personality disorder ( as in psychopathy) and plays highly destructive manipulation and confrontational games, as in feigning emotions for gains, is it even possible to discern their characters using the enneagram? I suppose one can ask, why would one want to ? I believe that the description of being so DISORDERED, might make it impossible. Just wondering????
Different enneagram types have different propensities/ tendencies when in comes to disorders. There is a book called, "Character and Neurosis" by Naranjo , where he makes connections between different unhealthy types and DSM mental disorders. I have also seen these patterns. For example Amber heard who is E3, was diagnosed with histrionic personality disorder, that relates alot to the characteristics of the type itself and is probably common among unhealthy type 3s. etc. Yes you can type unhealthy people but it may be more difficult. Different types have different styles of unhealthy behaviour. An E8 won't indulge in much emotional manipulation or trying to get you to be sympathetic etc, but they'll just be much more confrontational and physical. I don't remember but it might have been the Riso and hudson enneagram book, where they list unhealthy behaviours and level descriptions of each type.
Re-listening because this is great stuff. I'm still calling Trump a pissed off sp/so/sx. He knows how to play to his people and not only not offend them, but raise their spirits. And like any 8, he does not mind offending the people he's angry at. Also want to say that I completely agree with social-repressed 5 preferring to "be left out", but there's still a heart pang if I don't even receive an invitation in the first place. Our world isn't "smaller", it's just not as interpersonal. When it comes to dealing with people I've speculated in the past that self-pres first variants (of both repressed types) deal with the people who are in their proximity.
@@erinfield1943 I've interacted with some sx/sp 8s, and have read fiction of sx/so 8s. An assertion doesn't do it for me, I'd need a motivation-based explanation of his actions.
Only in a few minutes and wow, the scepticism fits so well.
I dont believe the weakness of a type 9 can accurately be understood by labeling nines as indolent or even lazy, because dissociation doesn't imply an aversion to taking action. Dissociation is a form of trauma that erases the memory from taking action or remembering how to move forward which is a better way to describe the weakness of a type 9. Indolence would be just as offensive to hear as calling someone lazy. You need to go deeper and understand the meaning of the word that more accurately describes the weakness of a type 9, which is dissociation. The best way to understand type 9's weakness is to watch videos like CTAD clinic on disorders like dissociative identity disorder or even certain types of autism.
Thanks for your knowedge and humility in expressing it. I value your commitment to this work and benefit greatly from your insight. Keep it coming :)
congratulations and thank you.
WOW, the Social-repressed 9 description is so accurate it’s honestly scary. And yes, I mistyped as a 4w5 for years because I genuinely believed it described me better than the descriptions of Type 9 I had read (which describe it more in terms of the Social 9).
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Thank you so much for this. I listened to - I believe - the podcast previous to this and remember Bea saying what a watershed moment it was for her when she discovered that her subtype was not the one she had thought it was... and that this was a rough realization. I was quite convinced that my stacking was sp/so/sx. because I do a lot to 'check' myself for various childhood trauma reasons. I was damn sure sx had to be my repressed instinct, because it simply seemed the most obnoxious of the three to me for my type - not that social wasn't its own kind of cringe-worthy, I just thought that I did a 'good enough' job in relegating that to a distant-enough second spot.
I took the tritype test, not expecting to discover much. But you know when you hit on one of those Enneagram 'truth' moments and feel devastated by it? My tritype was revealing to me in that way. It also said I was a sx/sp/so. Well. I mean - *clearly* that part was just wrong.
Fast forward to today. I just had another (protracted) one of those 'moments'. I am, in every aspect, very social-repressed. For the entire first part of this episode, I had a hard time keeping my jaw closed.
And I now realize that can only really mean one thing. I not only repress my repressed instinct... I also realize what a lot of my self-shame and self-hatred is about. I guess I also 'repress', or keep in check, or harshly police my dominant instinct.
Is this 'a thing'?? I wonder if you could speak to it at some point.
Your comments made me cry.
Great, great video. Thank you.
What about social, cultural, financial, environmental, biological et etc factors that affect ppl so many factors that affect ppl...
Thank you! This is utterly fascinating!
Hi, I have a question/idea… Might it be possible that the instincts are correlated with the Ayurvedic doshas?
I was imagining, possibly, self-preservation might relate to kapha, social might relate to vata, and sexual might relate to pitta. Might be totally wrong, but the 3 and 3 basic types, I wondered if they relate to each other.
I idealized my father, who also just like me was social repressed. My mother and sister were social dominant though. Could it be that I have learned that from him ( my father?) ?
When can we expect a video about the sexual repressed instinct?
I still don't like the way social fives try claiming existential philosophy and abstractions. Sure, you talk a bunch about social (and, to be fair, non-social, but well-known, e.g. Nietzsche) philosophies with other socials, and like linking it together and universalizing it. Do you never really talk to us social-last 5s about our personal philosophies? They can get pretty complex and abstract. Or, at least I think mine is.
And given the importance of credentials (formal and informal) in the world I'd say you social-firsts and seconds are a heck of alot more practical and pragmatic than we are.
And sure, I'm in the sciences, but because of personal philosophies. Life can't exist without a universe to sustain it.
Yay! Three paragraphs instead of a diatribe. Not bad. :D
This podcast was excellent. When an individual has extreme antisocial personality disorder ( as in psychopathy) and plays highly destructive manipulation and confrontational games, as in feigning emotions for gains, is it even possible to discern their characters using the enneagram? I suppose one can ask, why would one want to ? I believe that the description of being so DISORDERED, might make it impossible. Just wondering????
Different enneagram types have different propensities/ tendencies when in comes to disorders. There is a book called, "Character and Neurosis" by Naranjo , where he makes connections between different unhealthy types and DSM mental disorders.
I have also seen these patterns.
For example Amber heard who is E3, was diagnosed with histrionic personality disorder, that relates alot to the characteristics of the type itself and is probably common among unhealthy type 3s. etc.
Yes you can type unhealthy people but it may be more difficult. Different types have different styles of unhealthy behaviour. An E8 won't indulge in much emotional manipulation or trying to get you to be sympathetic etc, but they'll just be much more confrontational and physical.
I don't remember but it might have been the
Riso and hudson enneagram book, where they list unhealthy behaviours and level descriptions of each type.
@@nabsnabster3488 Thank you, very much. I will try to get those books.
I know I have to work on my patience (by waiting for the whole thing), but that last part about 7s stang. I'm not saying I don't like it.
How is the experience of being in a relationship for a sexually blind dominant?
Re-listening because this is great stuff. I'm still calling Trump a pissed off sp/so/sx. He knows how to play to his people and not only not offend them, but raise their spirits. And like any 8, he does not mind offending the people he's angry at.
Also want to say that I completely agree with social-repressed 5 preferring to "be left out", but there's still a heart pang if I don't even receive an invitation in the first place. Our world isn't "smaller", it's just not as interpersonal.
When it comes to dealing with people I've speculated in the past that self-pres first variants (of both repressed types) deal with the people who are in their proximity.
Trump is a SX 8.
@@erinfield1943 I've interacted with some sx/sp 8s, and have read fiction of sx/so 8s. An assertion doesn't do it for me, I'd need a motivation-based explanation of his actions.
Beatrice is in a state of perpetual yawn